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HTC concerned about "user experience"

After contacting HTC regarding FroYo, I was told that the decision whether or not to offer it for devices is based on how they are weighing up the impacts on user experience.
As far as I am aware, FroYo will offer extreme performance improvements over previous builds, and I fail to see how it could negatively impact this.
As for Desire and FroYo, they did of course totally avoid the question and gave no specific response relating to the Desire in any way, nor did they confirm that they will offer it for any devices at all, merely that it is being
"considered" for "some devices" according to the impact "user experience".
As the title suggests, this is not about "if" or "when" but about what exactly they think could be affected in terms of "user experience".

'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'

DarkMio said:
'Introducing the new HTC User Exprience: Sense'
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I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.

alias_neo said:
I don't htink they were directly to sense. The rep I spoke to mentoned sense, but mentioned this in a different context. I think maybe they may have meant performance wise, once they integrate sense, will the phones really be able to handle FroYo.
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Obviously, Froyo would even run faster on a G1, because Froyo is just faster.

I think this means they'll thjnkk about upgrading for 6 months - then announce a delay.

I really shouldn't try to read too much into anything that HTC say about this.
Google's own devs have already gone on record to say that it is technically possible for a G1 to run Froyo (see here), but you can be almost 100% certain that there will never be an "official" port.
By being deliberately noncommittal, HTC can avoid accusations of reneging on promises, because they've thus far promised nothing.
Personally, I think it is reasonably certain that we will see Froyo on the Desire and the Legend in the relatively near future (I'm thinking end of August time frame).
I seriously doubt that any of their earlier phones will get an official update to Froyo, and that includes the Hero even though it is very similar hardware wise to the Legend.
Regards,
Dave

I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again

masi0 said:
I think that HTC cannot loose their chance against Apple.
They cannot screw things up - Evo 4G flagship at Sprint probably will be the first with Froyo - otherwise people start buying iPhone 4G (seems Sprint is going to sell iPhone as well).
HTC Poland recently put their account on the facebook - they didn't expected that users will be with so negative feedback about their support and speed of software releases. I am not sure if such activities HTC did in other places, but phone market now is growing rapidly and if their dont release updates soon enough people like me will get Apple again
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Well, the lady I spoke to said they have "learned" a lot from the updates they have released recently and will carry this forward when releasing future updates. As for apple, nothing, and I mean nothing, on this earth would make me go back to apple.

why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!

1wayjonny said:
why is this in the development section? You have three other areas to post this in besides development!
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My bad, as I'm always developing or looking at development my bookmarks take me straight to dev section, I had entirely forgotten about the others.
MODS: Any change you could move this to general please?

I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
Regards,
Dave
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Sent from my secret underground base, buried deep under a glacier in Iceland (the shop, not the country)

Dont apologise mate i thought your thread was interesting and informative
Dont appease these random trolls that think they moderate these forums! Let the mods do the moderating and we will do the grazing hahaha
The guy was a twat, he came on the thread where we are trying to port Froyo and said the same thing that this isnt a dev topic I mean it that isnt dev, then i will give up computers
Total waste of space!!!
JD

foxmeister said:
I think you will almost certainly find that the "4G" in the iPhone 4G refers to the fact that it is the 4th iteration of the iPhone - not that it works on a 4G network.
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You reckon?
Was there any evidence for this in the various tear downs that have popped up over the last month or so?
Suppose it would make sense from a business point of view. The world (and Europe in particular) isn't exactly overflowing with 4G networks right now.

While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.

rovex said:
While i dont always agree with what HTC say on this issue they do have a point with Froyo. If they launched an update tomorrow all hell would break loose. Half the apps in the market dont work with froyo right now, and people would happily swap out their SD card without realising it might mean they loose some apps that have moved.
The Nexus one is not the same beast, it is sold as a test bed in effect and users should expect issues, the Desire is a consumer device for the masses. HTC NEED to wait until the early issues are fixed otherwise they would be overwhelmed with support calls.
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I agree in part, but I don't think Google are trying to market the Nexus as a dev phone. I know it is, but unlike the G1 they want it to be a competing consumer device.
I see what you mean now about the FroYo problems, but, not everybody frequent these forums as we do, the solution woul dbe a simple instruction list with the update, saying moving apps to your SD card would of course mean they're not available if you remove it. And I thought apps were restricted in visibility to OS version? I know my hero couldn't see half the new stuff when it was on 1.5.
Still, you make a valid point, just as a Computer Scientist and Electronic Engineer, I refuse to accept these as valid excuses on HTCs part.
I'v seen smaller teams do harder work with better results, in less time using fewer resources.

seriously ... sense isnt that good why cant htc jsut put there apps on the market .... and give ppl stock 2.2 and the choice

Not a very well worded post, but I kinda agree. I'd like the option of not having some of the apps. Things like Friendstream and Peep just aren't as good as the alternatives out there.
It'd be great if the Sense UI and apps were installed, but they sold the apps on the Market (obviously providing them free of charge with phones), and allowed the option of uninstalling them.

Sure everyone has choice, if you don't like the sense UI, you can choose nexus one, or MOTO, or Samsung, or LG, or whatever... what I don't understand is why people buy HTC phones, if they don't like sense UI in the first place. I don't think HTC can force you to do so, hehe
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Sent by winx199 via his HTC Desire

I had the option of getting a Nexus or Desire, and opted for the Desire mainly because it meant paying less per month. Since I'm a student until the Summer, and don't have a job to go into yet, this was a big factor.
I was also (wrongly) under the impression that you could switch Sense off if needed, as was shown on pre-release models.

You can easily disable the sense home. I currently run both helix launcher and sense and can choose which when I press home or set a default. As for sense/no sense, I think for me, it makes my Android phones. Couldn't live without it, even with the great launchers out there.
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apple apps for my htc evo?

Hi guys I'm farley new to this HTC stuff so you would have to talk to me like a third grader as I don't know jack sh*t. But I'm a Mma guy an I found these awesome apps on b.j.j on the Apple app store. Is there any way I can get access to them for my HTC evo4g?

No. Your Evo isn't an apple.

Pretty much, NO. Actually, completely? NO. Sorry, but those apps are not compatible. Not even close. Best bet is to try to persuade developers to make an Android version, but smaller developers may not want to, especially if they don't know Java. Android is really nice to code for (other than Java), so everyone should pick it up, but iPhone apps have to be ported by their developers to Android. There's pretty much no other way around it.

Thanks guys. With this union job I my aswell buy a ipod touch then

hardcor4e said:
Thanks guys. With this union job I my aswell buy a ipod touch then
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What Superlinkx said is the best way to do it.
If you really like an app and you can find their website on the Internet, there are usually ways to contact the developers. If you write to them and tell them you are a big fan of their app, but you have an Android phone, it might help them see that there is a market on Android and they might make the app sooner.
Because this year has seen so much growth on Android, you can expect many developers to take advantage of both markets, unless they don't like money
Hope this helps!

Vote for Samsung Intercept section!

Let's lobby for this awesome device on Sprint and Virgin Mobile

You bet! This is going to be a popular phone 'cause of the cost vs. features. It also is in need of some serious tweaking, but is very easy to brick (first hand) because all the info you need is scattered all over the place.
If any phone needs a forum, this one does.
Sent from my SPH-M910 using XDA App

I had one for a while just until the Evo came back in stock (back in late August) and I do think it's pretty good for a relatively AOSP device. It does need some serious tweaking though since it's pretty slow/laggy. My mom and two sisters all have Intercepts and it'd be nice to throw on a new ROM/remove bloatware since they're always complaining about how slow it is (and I believe them because I've owned it!).

Cyanogenmod on the Intercept could speed things a bit.

+1
Just got this phone and would like to see a more comprehensive discussion about it form here.

+1
This might be my next phone. The Virgin Mobile plans look great.

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On captivate currently paying 25 just for 2 gigs data and 50 for lowest voice package half of which are "rolled over" infinitely.
For rooting and mods see this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728128

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Get it done.

Get Intercept attention.
Please rate and vote to front at top of this thread. Intercept needs a forum.

Intercept coming soon. Next week.

+10 been looking for a comprehensive forum on the intersept.

I don't have one, but my sister does, and I'd love to be able to learn more about it....not having a dedicated section here for intercept forces me to search for less trustworthy sources of info than I would find here.
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Will this phone last for another 10 months?

My mom wants me to come to Verizon on her family plan, as I look at the phone selection nothing really interest me. The upcoming thunderbolt is much to big and I wont purchase any motorola device. I was going to get this on a one year contract, and then by the end up of the year, I'm sure there will be something out, that I will like, or should i just suck it up and buy a thunderbolt, since I do live in an LTE Area.
Forgot to add some details.
I am switching because i don't get t mobile service on my universitys campus.
I am a nexus one, if that matters at all.
Thanks
Dreday

Only VZW and HTC can say when the Incredible will go EOL. That being said, even if it goes EOL tomorrow, its functionality isn't going to decrease. You don't stand to lose much, if anything at all, by picking it up on a one year contract.
Conversely, there are some pretty compelling reasons (for some) to go with the Thunderbolt... better cpu, faster gpu, HTC Sense 2.0, DLNA, SVDO, et al.

Not known what isn't known
Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02

It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.

Berzerker7 said:
It's already been leaked that the Incred is going EOL on 3/31.
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good info, thanks. Even so, I still have my warranty, and I am getting a thunderbolt or bionic if its unlocked. idk if i can go outside HTC. They treat me well. and Verizon. They do ok.

smtom said:
Yep - these new devices look/sound superb - for the future.
For now, a one-year contract the DInc is hard to beat - IF you are interested in modding/tweaking.
Why?
Until the new devices are released, rooted, and have an interested and solid group of innovative developers, they'll be mostly stock devices, with unknown mod choices.
The DInc has nearly a year's worth of development in the books, and the mods to show for it.
So, if you want a device with a solid bench of developers and flock of mods, the DInc is the way to go. If ya wanna run the latest/greatest device that's cool too, but the modification choices will be fewer until the development community catches up.
just my $.02
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Yeah this is what keeps the incredible interesting it my not have the specs, but it has a solid dev community.
*sigh*

The DInc will never die!
Sent from God, who uses Virtuous 3.2

For all thouse wonder if the SGS3 will be a One X beater

I can't say much as my source is under an NDA but i can say that from what i have been told you'll be better of getting a One X. I can quantify this by also saying that Touchwiz will employ a drawer style interface, the hardware specs are little lower than the One x's and that device is housed in a curved plastic case (i'm still trying to clarify what that means exactly).
I can't say more till may 3rd as it looks like i will be attending the launch event in London, if everything goes to plan.
Please don't ask me any further questions on this. I may have the answers but i really can't give them. I really can't afford a legal fight with samsung over this. If anything i wanted to try and encourage any hangers on to stop wasting time (and save a lot of disappointment)
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine. He is also the person that is arranging my tickets to the launch event. He used the device to today in one of samsungs global HQ's and i trust his opinion and judgement completely.
I can't stress enough that this is not a rumour or random fan boy hate speculation (hell if he sees this i may even lose my job).

Hilarious
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

if it doesn't look like a sports car like the render from the old May 22, then i don't care. if the HTC camera sucks, i'll buy a Canon/Panasonic/Nikon and wait for a Motorola Nexus.

Pfft your so cool.

this thread is just going to turn into a spam flam war itself enjoy and have fun here..

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...s3-benchmarks-reveal-impressive-power-1077226

2 things here...
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine.
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hell if he sees this i may even lose my job
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Somehow if these are true, I suspect posting this thread is something you will regret ^^

CaveManDave said:
2 things here...
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Somehow if these are true, I suspect posting this thread is something you will regret ^^
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what do you do for a living? crazy observation skills

tian105 said:
what do you do for a living? crazy observation skills
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Was merely pointing it out to to the OP in the hope he deletes the thread before getting himself in trouble, but thanks for your concern.
Edit: Oh, and some crazy quoting skills you got there :rollseyes:

Not to be a smartass, but of all the things I'm curious about "TouchWiz using a drawer interface" is probably the least of them. Nothing you posted is any different (or clearer) than the online rumors and leaks. With that, and the fact you can't say anything, why post? To let us know you know and we don't? Odd thread.

Thanks
This just strength me to buy One X LTE

Trolololol
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

M3PH said:
I can't say much as my source is under an NDA but i can say that from what i have been told you'll be better of getting a One X. I can quantify this by also saying that Touchwiz will employ a drawer style interface, the hardware specs are little lower than the One x's and that device is housed in a curved plastic case (i'm still trying to clarify what that means exactly).
I can't say more till may 3rd as it looks like i will be attending the launch event in London, if everything goes to plan.
Please don't ask me any further questions on this. I may have the answers but i really can't give them. I really can't afford a legal fight with samsung over this. If anything i wanted to try and encourage any hangers on to stop wasting time (and save a lot of disappointment)
I will also say the source is reliable, he is a user of XDA and a good friend of mine. He is also the person that is arranging my tickets to the launch event. He used the device to today in one of samsungs global HQ's and i trust his opinion and judgement completely.
I can't stress enough that this is not a rumour or random fan boy hate speculation (hell if he sees this i may even lose my job).
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These are signs of insecurity. Just be happy with your one x. But the galaxy s 3 will most likely (98% chance) just mop the floor with the one x anyway.

barondebxl said:
These are signs of insecurity. Just be happy with your one x. But the galaxy s 3 will most likely (98% chance) just mop the floor with the one x anyway.
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[/fanboyism]

Willieumm said:
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Lol No fanboyism just reality. May 3rd is around the corner.

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