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Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.
1. It also consists of replacing the stock recovery with Clockwork. It's ridiculously simple thanks to the unrevoked tool.
2. Radio = Baseband.
3. No, Clockwork cannot currently flash the radio.
4. I doubt anyone could answer for sure until it comes out
tchebb said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.
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1 yes
2 the radio is the thing that gets the signals
3 clockwork can't flash radios
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Thanks for the quick responses.
I'm not trying to criticize Clockwork in any way here, but why can't it flash the radio? Does it need the NAND to be unlocked, and if so, would it be possible to use Unrevoked to put on a new radio?
tchebb said:
Thanks for the quick responses.
I'm not trying to criticize Clockwork in any way here, but why can't it flash the radio? Does it need the NAND to be unlocked, and if so, would it be possible to use Unrevoked to put on a new radio?
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No, koush just didnt put it in for whatever reason.
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jdkoreclipse said:
No, koush just didnt put it in for whatever reason.
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Thanks for the clarification. Are there currently no other suitable recoveries for the Incredible that can flash the radio?
tchebb said:
Thanks for the clarification. Are there currently no other suitable recoveries for the Incredible that can flash the radio?
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No. I tried amonra from the desire, and i nearly broke my recovery.
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One more question: what does PB31IMG.zip do? Is it just the stock recovery, or does it return everything back to stock?
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tchebb said:
One more question: what does PB31IMG.zip do? Is it just the stock recovery, or does it return everything back to stock?
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Yes everything back to stock... if you have upgraded the radio you might get an error sayin something like main version its older.
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tchebb said:
Hello everyone,
I just got my Droid Incredible and have rooted it using Unrevoked3. I'm really enjoying it, but I have a few questions:
Am I correct in thinking that rooting consists entirely of getting su and Superuser.apk on the phone, and the hard part is setuiding and chmodding them?
What exactly is meant by "radio" in "flash a new radio"?
Why is it necessary to flash the stock recovery before applying an OTA update? Shouldn't ClockworkMod be able to do anything the stock recovery can?
(Somewhat related to the previous question) What would happen if one accepted an OTA without unrooting or applying the stock recovery?
Thank you all and sorry for my noobishness.
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1. Root consists of getting the MOST access to the device so things that we're normally out of our privilege range can be accessed... i.e. flashlight/titanium back up etc. It also pushes busybox su and the custom recovery to make ADB easier.
2. Think of the radio as the bios on your PC....very important...mess with it and you can EASILY break your machine of choice.
3. The reason I am sure Koush left radio flashability out is because of the ridiculous amount of noobs that would simply destroy their device by being curious/not reading the giant red letters in most posts/just not paying attention to what they are doing. It is VERY easy to brick a device with access to flashing the radio...dangerous and probably a fail safe to keep as many bricks down as possible.
4. What would probably happen with the OTA is you will either A. Loose root and be completely stock WITH NO WAY of downgrading to gain root. B. Brick Brick Brick. C. Profit? D. It might not let you even continue with the installation because of the custom recovery...not sure though because it hasn't happened yet....just DO NOT ACCEPT ANY OTA REQUESTS.
The PB image is the only way to downgrade back to stock. Completely stock. Out of the box stock. No root...no nothing! BUT it reopens the unrevoked exploits so you can reroot and also allows you to flash the OTA is your version is older...some tricks need to be taken though to get your version older then the ota.
The OTA is said to patch the exploit to RUU to stock. That means no mores roots if you OTA. Wait it out...when it drops it will be rooted and ready for the flashness.
The Phone is prompting me to upgrade to 1.47...I'm holding off. Which version should I root?
I had a question / thought about that too...but I didn't get that upgrade notification, is your phone rooted already?
Root the current version THEN update using a ROOTED rom from here DO NOT DO THE OVER THE AIR UPDATE
stangdriverdoug said:
The Phone is prompting me to upgrade to 1.47...I'm holding off. Which version should I root?
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Root 1.32. It's much, much easier to accomplish.
stang doug, this route is the best..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715915
It still puts ya at 2.1.. But really is solid.
This us a replacement phone....I was upgrading to a custom 2.2 from available and the phone bricked. I was lucky to get another one today. Just want to be carefully this time!
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Yes. Take the 47 ota so that your wimax updates correctly.
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Ok I did the update to 1.47...went smooth....I rooted from 1.47 before with no problem...one step at a time I guess...still can't believe I bricked the last one...ok so what's the best/easiest root method now with nand unlock? I fumbled my through it the first time...just want to make sure I know exactly what I'm doing this time.
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Sorry for my spelling before...I was trying to install avas official 2.2 and the phone bricked while installing the radio upgrade....was doing everything step by step too......
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Update: I rooted using Unrevoked 3, have clockwork mod recovery installed and just made a backup using nandroid. Am I basically ready to flash a custom ROM? Do I need to upgrade the radios first if going to 2.2?
stangdriverdoug said:
Update: I rooted using Unrevoked 3, have clockwork mod recovery installed and just made a backup using nandroid. Am I basically ready to flash a custom ROM? Do I need to upgrade the radios first if going to 2.2?
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Install the old hboot. If that doesn't make sense, get the simpleroot app and use that.
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I had trouble with Simpleroot. If i stick with this hboot version, will I have problems? Also I just succsesfully installed the latest Wimax and radio updates.
Follow a post in this forum that describes full root with nand unlocking using a more manual method.
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I did, but kept getting main version older while trying to update PC36IMG. Maybee I'm SOL. Should I not bother to download and flash custom roms?
I tried 3 root methods last night and I could only get unrevoked3 to work.
beatblaster said:
Root 1.32. It's much, much easier to accomplish.
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Not anymore.
netarchy said:
Part 1:
Code:
adb shell rm /data/local/rights/mid.txt
adb shell ln -s /dev/mtd/mtd1 /data/local/rights/mid.txt
adb reboot
Part 2:
Toast's Part 2, for nand unlock
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Just got simplerrot to work!!! So it reset my softwre to a earlier version, and flashed clockmod recovery. Question is do I need to reflash the wimax update? I allready am running the latest radio version. Don't want to brick this time!
Oh my bad. Looks like the radio and wimax reverted to earlier versions....is it ok to update thm to the current release? Still running the stock rom.
ok, dosen't look like I have root access...but I have access to nandroid?
Well I don't know if this is right but I used Simpleroot to revert the software and get the older version of HBOOT and used unrevoked to get root permission. Looks like rooted apps work, I can back and recover with nandroid, maybe some one can chime in to make sure I'm on the right track, still need to know if it's safe to upgrade the radio and wimax.
So here's where I sit:
baseband:1.36.00.04.02
Software: 1.17.651.1
PRI:1.34_.3
PRL:60662
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I see a lot of rom threads that say you MUST update your radio to use the rom. Doing a search I also saw a lot of posts saying you can't flash radios if you used unrevoked to root your Evo. So what does this mean for those of us that used the 2.2 root guide which uses unrevoked? Do I really HAVE to update my radio to use these roms? Since I used the 2.2 guide would it be safe to unroot and then root with simple root so I can flash a new radio? Or should I just not worry about it and flash away?
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Wow nothing? I tried flashing the new radio and it doesn't work. Gets aborted by clockwork. Does anyone have an answer? I've searched here and ppcgeeks and found nothing.
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You can flash radios if you are s-off.
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i have rooted 3 different devices using the 2.2 method, and from what i can tell, you dont *need* to flash a radio. if you do part 2 of the method, it basically loads a 2.2 rom that has Super User enabled. Im no dev, but from what i can tell, flashing the radios have to be done in 2.2 because the way the 2.2 software communicates with the radios (cell and wimax) differently, so the radio has to be updated to handle this change. using part 2 puts your radio back to the 2.15.***whatever Official sprint radios.
flashing the radios are basically for anyone coming from a 2.1 rom who hasnt been updated already.
just idle speculation....can someone else confirm this for me?
SharkUW said:
You can flash radios if you are s-off.
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I thought using unrevoked forever put you at s-off. Do you know where I can check this? Didn't see it anywhere in clockwork recovery.
@newbie: I followed part 2 and still have 2. 05 radio. Think I should go back and flash a stock 2. 2 again to try and get the radio flashed?
Thanks for the help guys, far different from the winmo and webos hacking I'm used to.
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You can check A-off by turning your phone off... then hit and hold the volume down button and hit and hold the power button still holding the volume down button.. brings you to the recovery. On top shows s-off s-on.. unrevoked forever completesbthe full root and nand.
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I have notice coming doing the downgrade to 2.1 and putting any new Rom I have way better download and up speed.. I use to get max 40 kilobytes now same area I get 125.. where is usually get 125 I get double that and even hit 1.2 mbps. I'm happy and didn't do any radio updates like they said to do..
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Wow totally forgot about the hboot screen. Ok so I confirmed I am s-off. So why is it that clockwork won't flash a new radio or wimax?
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Any help with this? I can flash all the roms I want but I can't flash the updated radio or wimax. Can't find anything to help on here, ppcgeeks or android central. Can someone else who used the 2.2 root method and used unrevoked3 and unrevoked forever chip in on weather or not they can flash the radio?
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Any help with this? I can flash all the roms I want but I can't flash the updated radio or wimax. Can't find anything to help on here, ppcgeeks or android central. Can someone else who used the 2.2 root method and used unrevoked3 and unrevoked forever chip in on weather or not they can flash the radio?
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I read up above that you are using clockwork, right? You need to use amon-ra recovery I believe to flash the radios...have you tried amon ra?
i flashed both with clockwork, when i flashed a rom i did do both the radio and wimax, don't think i even bothered to check to see if i was already up to date, but did it anyways just to be safe, had no issue with clockwork.
churchwin88 said:
I read up above that you are using clockwork, right? You need to use amon-ra recovery I believe to flash the radios...have you tried amon ra?
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No I haven't tried amon-ra yet, I'm going to do that next. THANKS!
@Tohm, did you boot into recovery or use rom manager? I get the same result with both
churchwin88 said:
I read up above that you are using clockwork, right? You need to use amon-ra recovery I believe to flash the radios...have you tried amon ra?
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THANKS! Amon-ra recovery flashed the radio successfully
ajk511 said:
No I haven't tried amon-ra yet, I'm going to do that next. THANKS!
@Tohm, did you boot into recovery or use rom manager? I get the same result with both
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i normally just boot into recovery, i've only used rom manager once for flashing burnt droid rom, nothing else yet.
hi, my name is yando and i'm looking for a way to root my htc evo 4g from sprint with a more complete root than unrevoked. i was following the simpleroot method but it seems it does'nt work with the 2.2 update. which method can i use and what rom should i base my evo????? please someone help!!!!!
If you have hboot 2.02 or 2.10 this is the guide to root your phone http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829045
I used this method on 5 evos and it works great...after root try myns custom rom...it is the best custom rom out there imo
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yando89 said:
hi, my name is yando and i'm looking for a way to root my htc evo 4g from sprint with a more complete root than unrevoked. i was following the simpleroot method but it seems it does'nt work with the 2.2 update. which method can i use and what rom should i base my evo????? please someone help!!!!!
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just so you know everyone of the guides is using Unrevoked forever to unlock nand there is nothing better right now since the unlock they use is actually as they say forever
Yea there's nothing wrong with the newer unrevoked. Full nand.
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Unrevoked is the easiest way
I just rooted my evo like a week ago.. with unrevoked.. and its working great.. i think its the easiest way to root it. just install the drivers first. really easy..
GOOD LUCK
Thanks to everyone! Then i just probably'll use unrevoked!
Same here, I've used unrevoked for some time and no problems
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i can't load the amon_ra recovery, doesn't actually work when i do it through rom manager, and i used unrevoked to root. just got my evo back from a 3 month long period of not having it (it broke and i was to lazy to take it in) i had RA before and was running cynogen 6, just rooted last night, and looked in the thread for RA Recovery and none of it is working.
all the directions didn't work for me, or i forgot how to adb and therefore can't do that. i tried terminal on the phone and everything, i really don't want to flash a rom until i do a nandroid with ra.
anyone care to help.
thorpe24 said:
i can't load the amon_ra recovery, doesn't actually work when i do it through rom manager, and i used unrevoked to root. just got my evo back from a 3 month long period of not having it (it broke and i was to lazy to take it in) i had RA before and was running cynogen 6, just rooted last night, and looked in the thread for RA Recovery and none of it is working.
all the directions didn't work for me, or i forgot how to adb and therefore can't do that. i tried terminal on the phone and everything, i really don't want to flash a rom until i do a nandroid with ra.
anyone care to help.
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If you rooted your phone you should have a custom recovery,which do you have ?
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clockwork, and as i have 4g now i wanna make sure i don't screw it up.
edit: hold up i may have just done it by doing an pc36img_recovery flash from a how to root, this file was provided to flash amon_ra, just don't know which version......
thorpe24 said:
clockwork, and as i have 4g now i wanna make sure i don't screw it up.
edit: hold up i may have just done it by doing an pc36img_recovery flash from a how to root, this file was provided to flash amon_ra, just don't know which version......
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It's gonna be 1.7 just update it via Rom manager. It's possible you were not fully rooted yet.. does it say s-off?
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sweet it's amon ra 1.8, awesome. thanks for the offer to help. any suggestions on rom and what not. i used to run CM6 with the kernel to get rid of 30fps cap. though that kernel for the (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590) awesome battery life in this thread, does that also get rid of the cap? any help or suggestions would be welcome, i've been out of the scene for a while.
yes, i ran unrevoked forever so it says s-off. btw whats the best gingerbread rom out there? sorry for all the noob questions btw.
thorpe24 said:
yes, i ran unrevoked forever so it says s-off. btw whats the best gingerbread rom out there? sorry for all the noob questions btw.
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None are complete all still in beta mode (imo) would be best to just get a good aosp Rom and add theme gingerbread. Also cm6.1.1 is the best I have used but that's all opinion. Heard cm7 will be gingerbread and should be out soon!
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thorpe24 said:
sweet it's amon ra 1.8, awesome. thanks for the offer to help. any suggestions on rom and what not. i used to run CM6 with the kernel to get rid of 30fps cap. though that kernel for the (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876590) awesome battery life in this thread, does that also get rid of the cap? any help or suggestions would be welcome, i've been out of the scene for a while.
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All kernels have the mod to get rid of the cap since HTC released the source for it...
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ah i see, well maybe you can still help me. i got an error doing a nandroid through ra, it says error : run 'nandroid-mobile.sh' via adb!
btw it's been along time since i did adb.......so lost. lol
thorpe24 said:
ah i see, well maybe you can still help me. i got an error doing a nandroid through ra, it says error : run 'nandroid-mobile.sh' via adb!
btw it's been along time since i did adb.......so lost. lol
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Is it plugged in to the computer at the moment? It sounds like you are not fully mounted to your SD card
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it is let me unplug and try that
that worked thanks again man.
thorpe24 said:
that worked thanks again man.
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No problem... if you need anything else just let me know...