While looking in the /windows directory of my phone i noticed a file for user profiles. This got me thinking that it may be possible to create users on a winmo device and switch them on the fly. This could prove useful for use with something like the redfly system to set a ui up for that and a ui for normal phone use so the phone becomes not only a phone but your netbook as well - with ui's tailored to the different uses. Could this be done?
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Was thinking this might be possible with second today and a few mortscripts but st is showing its age and more and more phones are not compatible. any ideas?
Windows Mobile does not support users. There is only one user, which represents current environment, we can not change this.
Thank you for your reply.
Guess im stuck using second today.
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I absolutely love my 8525, but have quickly grown tired of the lackluster and non-finger friendly user interface of Windows Mobile 6. What options do I have? I'm not extremely technically savvy, especially for Windows CE; I do know how to install .cab files, though, which is of course the easiest way to install plug-ins to the phone without a complete ROM change (I'm not completely opposed to this), to my knowledge (as limited as it may be). Can anyone help me find a different user interface or post some screenshots of some available ones that are pretty easy to install? I appreciate the help!
Hi,
I read again and again that people want Android on their devices. I still don't see the advantage.
Android is a 1.0-release and lacks the large pool of software available for Windows Mobile. It's own set of features seems somewhat lacking to me - no pushmail (including synchronisation of calendar and contacts with exchange) being the biggest of the disadvantages in my opinion.
Have fun!
Bingo, what I was thinking and saying for a long time... But as the saying goes, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. Everyone will put it for a second, say "wow" and return to the good ol' WM.http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/grassisalway.html
1) It's something new. New is always more exciting than old. When WM7 comes out, most people will want to upgrade.
2) Features and software that is not available to WM. Location aware games that don't exist for WM,
3) App store- finding apps for WM kinda sucks, you find something that looks really cool only to find that it doesnt actually work on your device.
4) Open environment. WM (until future releases) looks the same. Skins can change it, but they slow down the phone. Android can be completely changed at a system level so things don't slow down the same way.
5) There are more reasons, but just go to engadget and read about it.
Edit- I think the G1 kinda sucks by the way. I have never used one, but would want a device with atleast a vga screen.
No one's saying new software isn't cool. But let it cook for a while, it isn't better now.
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I see 2 advantages:
- I think android is faster than WM. WM take a while sometimes to launch a small app.
- Android can be fully controlled with one hand.
- I think that in the future much more applications will be available on it. (like a real browser supporting java and flash.)
Most of people are curious about new thing, whether it is good or not. People would like to try out for themselves. This is human instinct.
This topic totally subjective as some may look different aspect such as nice interface, performance, application compatiblility etc.
Well i think that LINUX is the word, it's an open system and probably is easier for the coders.
Have you ever seen the Ubuntu release of linux for PC? maybe android could become the same for PPC.
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I hope I will get very fast main-phone functionality, more speed and less buggy
Apps will be developed quicker.
the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
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that hang-up key is programmed to 3 seconds delay and can be changed with Advanced-Config
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the major thing that makes me want to move over to Android is the fact that my hang up key takes AGES to respond when i make a call and it really annoys me to the point id rather change OS, oh and the fact that it's open source, so be prepared for heaps of software
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Hi, get AdvancedConfig for your Diamond and there you have the option to change the hangup delay from default 5 seconds !! (crazy, I know) to zero if you want.
i have changed it, keeps resetting for some reason
I currently have a diamond and am looking for a new h/s.
the important things for me are fast surfing, simple enough interface with the ability to modify the themes etc (sliders, curtains etc), fast switching between apps and video capabilities.
can anyone explain in laymans terms the benefits, advantages and clear disadvantages between android - windows 6.(whatever) - and winmo.
im after either the hero, tgo1, diamond 2.
what could people suggest?
Ps - im not too interested in flashing and putting cooked/kitchen roms or whatever else onto them. Purely out of the box set-up
Linux has the advantage of being reasonable easy to program for is “Open Source” so no licence to pay for and normally cheaper for the manufacturers to use and has quite a large following that likes to create applications/modifications for the phone.
Windows is controlled my the evil corporation Microsoft and wants your soul before you can use it….or at least some seem to think so, windows mobile has more flavours (ROMS) available on this site than Microsoft could produce for a very long time, devices never meant to run latter versions of windows mobile are now quite happily running newer software thanks to various cooks who like to improve or tweak the standard fair to produce something they think is better…some are, some aren’t.
From what you’re asking you seem to want to know what’s best, sadly the simple answer is both
Its more a user choice if you have certain software you want to run then check the handset can run both if not pick the one that can, there is no clear leader at the moment and as your not interested in upgrading your phone to a newer flavour your stuck with whatever the provider thinks is good.
Simple answer then look at what you like, check it runs what you want, purchase the phone best of luck
Fair point indeed.
looks like ill be hunting through reviews for a little while yet.
thanks for the reply
Hi all, its been a while since I posted but I am the former user of the 8125,8525, and 8925 (tilt) and haven't used a pocket pc phone since then. I had my stints with the Fuze & Touch HD but thats another story. Anyways Ive been using the iPhone 3g/3gs for the last year and I recently sold it to purchase the AT&T Tilt 2. I must say although the phone is very good looking and this is the best qwerty I have ever used, the phone lags and it is kinda slow especially comparing phones like the iPhone or BBerry Bold 2. What are my options in terms of Navigating the GUI without TF3D? I remember when I used to own my pocketpc's I used a program called "HTC Home" which was simple,fast, and efficient. Does that program still work on the Rhodium? Do I have any options of using something similar to the TF3d but faster? Or will changing my ROM make the difference up in speed? Let me know what you all think and thanks in advance. Also What does "Manilla" mean?
Dude there are so many ways to have a decent UI without manila go through a lot of the rom threads and read about each one, Most have light versions and a titanium version that eliminate tf3d completely. MANILA= TF3D they are one and the same as I see it, some people might get more technical with you but its like a tilt 2 and a touch pro 2 different names for basically the same thing, minus a few hardware differences when talking devices. Also Give SPB Mobile Shell a try, you can download a trial and if yuo like it can either purchase it or do one of those promotions and get it cheap o pm me and I'll let you know where to find it I myself love tf3d and cant wait till it becomes fully modifyable with the ability to make my own tabs for whatever we see fit, It will happen just gonna take a while and have some genius' coding things so quick links can be installed in the script with copy and paste so its easy for everyone to do. I think there may be a few other 3rd party UIs out there too, so just play around and see what fits you. And if you cant fully uninstall something its not like a hard reset cant be done! Always backup what you dont want to lose.
See here for HTC Home for WVGA/VGA devices.
Buy an HD2
Windows default "titanium" is also very customizable and much less RAM eating than TF3D.
I´ll stay with Manila 2.1 working very smooth for me
I really lost interest in this phone the more I used it - I found tf3d to be too slow... Rather than flash ROMS, I gave SPB Mobile Shell a try. It's awesome! I removed all items from the today screen and just run the shell.
Memory usage is different as well. Before I had to keep it under 50% to get the phone to run. With Mobile Shell I just keep opening programs up to 80% and the interface doesn't lag.
Give it a try...
Want a familiar and friendly (as well as FAAST) interface?
Google iPhoneToday. It's mimics the iPhone interface and is very easy to setup shortcuts and icons.
Simply go t your SETTINGS>TODAY button and disable TF3D and ENABLE iPhoneToday.
I love this interface much better as it's quick and to the point. Also less memory uses than TF3D
Hello,
one question bothers me since the first time I have heard about WP7. Why Microsoft have decided to create a whole new OS without thinking of OS that would ne NT-based so any program made for normal PC would run on our phones. Just imagine, how many developers could easily port their programs to new OS, just changin the screen size, leaving all core components just the same... All classic PC games, like Blood, Duke Nukem workin flawlesly on a phone without the need of any port. I believe, that it is the only real way to compete with Android and Iphone OS. What do you think?
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one question bothers me since the first time I have heard about WP7. Why Microsoft have decided to create a whole new OS without thinking of OS that would ne NT-based so any program made for normal PC would run on our phones. Just imagine, how many developers could easily port their programs to new OS, just changin the screen size, leaving all core components just the same... All classic PC games, like Blood, Duke Nukem workin flawlesly on a phone without the need of any port. I believe, that it is the only real way to compete with Android and Iphone OS. What do you think?
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if the app was created in siverlight/c# which alot of newer apps are then it can be ported to wp7.. For sometime now microsoft has been pushing their silverlight for devolpers to use so if the games you mentioned is bult in silverlight there should be no problem...
NT on a mobile phone would be a usability nightmare...look how far windows mobile got with the masses. Microsoft is not catering towards the hackers, but the masses.
And to be honest, I would not touch any mobile device running NT...LOL.
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NT on a mobile phone would be a usability nightmare...look how far windows mobile got with the masses. Microsoft is not catering towards the hackers, but the masses.
And to be honest, I would not touch any mobile device running NT...LOL.
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me eather!!! i am so done with wm 6.0, 6.1, 6.5 and its many problems having to flashing rom after rom, restarting the device cause it has no memory left, this list goes on... wp7 is like a breth of fresh air...
Why so negative? WM always had problems, but the level of freedom and customization made me love this platform more and more. And I wouldn't be so sure about unpopularity of this kind of new OS, as NT-based Windows OS platform is the most popular in PC world, stable and nice-looking enough, so why it couldn't be that popular in mobile phones, especially with wide variety of programs already designed for this platform, only waiting for small fixes of resolution? Those games are from dos era, with no good port on any mobile platform...
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why so negative? Wm always had problems, but the level of freedom and customization made me love this platform more and more. And i wouldn't be so sure about unpopularity of this kind of new os, as nt-based windows os platform is the most popular in pc world, stable and nice-looking enough, so why it couldn't be that popular in mobile phones, especially with wide variety of programs already designed for this platform, only waiting for small fixes of resolution? Those games are from dos era, with no good port on any mobile platform...
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dont get me wrong i not trying to say 6.5 is not for some people just not for me... I think the fact that smartphones moved to a more touch enviroment it seems that the old wm is not as finger friendly and made more for the use of an stylist, to me this type of os seems to not work well on mobile devices for long peorids without a reboot maybe its the way its design or maybe it just have too many things of the desktop enviroment not sure but it gets to be a problem for me, others my not mind. As far as customizing goes well guess you cant have everything.. i personaly would prefer a more stable os than customization, and i am sure additional pc like options will come as well as more customization in the future..
I think the main reason why NT would not make a good mobile OS is simply because it was never designed or meant to run on a mobile device. Your phone is not a computer, so your phone needs an operating environment to suit it's purpose.
The "phone as a computer" approach has been tried by Microsoft, it's called Windows Mobile. While I love Windows Mobile, I have to say, having "Windows NT" on a phone just doesn't make sense.
While it would be cool to play Duke Nukem on your Windows NT mobile device, at the end of the day, you are going to put down your Windows NT phone and just sit at your computer and play Duke Nukem on that. It's just a better overall experience, and Windows NT was designed for that sit-down, productive, huge screen experience. So it wouldn't make sense to invest in a platform that no one would use at the end of the day because their desktop computer does it better.
What you have to do is create an entirely unique and different experience designed for the phone and "on-the-go" life, to complement the Windows NT desktop experience. That is after all, what your phone is for. That's what Windows Phone 7 is.
Can't wait to get my hands on a Windows Phone 7.... phone.... XD
Well, I guess you are right, but I will try once more to support my idea, if you don't mind. I still see some reasons why NT- based mobile OS would be a good idea:
1. There are plenty of popular netbooks, tablet PC's and other relative small devices with full XP, Vista or Win7 OS. All of them are made for on the go experience and still having NT OS. Not even talking about miniature UMPC's. We also often leave these devices unused when we turn on our normal PC's at home, but doesn't prevent them from having huge popularity.
2. Of cource, I do not want to suggest porting normal WinXP to mobile phones (but win98 on my touch pro didn't look half that bad ), but rather something with an UI suited for small screens, but still capable to run any application made for normal Windows.
3. I also think about the interest of developers to this kind of OS. Theorically, there would be no need to learn OS-specific programming, just the things used on any NT OS. Most of the developers who makes programs for PC would be able to make a version for this OS just by changing the resolution, leaving engine just the same.
Please, say your opinion about these things I've pointed out
1. Netbooks and tablets still operate outside of the smartphone arena of capabilities and requirements for most users. There is a reason why there isn't a successful phone running Windows XP. You can write the drivers and software for phone functionality, but at the end of the day NT was not produced with phones in mind.
2. Applications written for desktops are written for desktop processors and memory capacities. Its not a simple change of just resolutions. What if an app request memory that doesn't exist on the mobile device? Chances are the mobile device can't even address that amount of memory. So you design a mobile focused NT kernel...well now all apps can't run on both platforms..so what's the point.
3. Yes you do, because all the capabilities available on a desktop aren't available on a smartphone. Developers still have to keep that in mind when their app is in development.
I sit here looking at my Windows XP work workstation and I would kill myself if I had to use this on a phone. Windows Mobile was hard enough.
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I forget the name but there was a secret (ish) project inside Microsoft to make the NT kernel more portable and sorta combine it with the CE kernel. They were basically building off the MinWin work.
But remember, native code still wouldn't be cross platform. x86 and ARM are not binary compatible. Just look at "OSX" on Mac desktops and "OSX" as the base of "iOS". Nothing crosses back and forth.
The NT kernel doesn't scale down that well yet. The kernel land is still full of bidirectional vertical dependencies. The current lowest profile incarnation called MinWin needs like 40MB RAM to boot to a text console and offer next to no APIs and is still shock full of missing dependencies (apparently boot loader magic makes it not break on boot).
Once they're really done despaghettifying, you might see it on mobile devices. But that'll still take a while, because right now, slimming down involves tons of aliasing dependencies to nothing.
Absolutely no reason why they could not run NT on a smart phone but why would they? They already have Windows CE (aka pocket PC) and if MS had been serious about Pocket PC IMHO they would be in a much better market position now.
One of the biggest messups with Pocket PC is the inconsistancy of the user interface and MS failed to revamp the 6.5 completely for touch.... They have a lot of good things going with WM 6.5 but it was an incomplete effort and it shows.
well, I see you are right... That NT is much more complex monster than I thought, thanks for clearing that out Yesterday, I found information about device called xpPhone, I wonder what would you say about it ? http://www.xpphone.com/en/product/specification.html