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Long Time Reader, First Time Rooter.... :/

Ok, so I really like my HTC Evo, but I want to expand a little outside the box. I used to load custom ROMs on my PPC6700 and that was very straightforward and easy. It seems like this whole Android Rooting thing is not quite so.
What I want to do is load a stock ROM with everything working, but the option to remove some of the Bloatware from Sprint. My biggest problem right now is that I don't know how to backup all my current apps without having root access. In order to get root access, from what I understand, I have to completely erase my phone. Kind of a viscous cycle. Can anyone help me out with this?
Also, should I do the full root (including NAND) or just the base root? Finally, do I have to do the radio update after rooting, or do I not have to worry about it since I already did the first OTA?
Here is the info I have gathered so far:
Root Part 1 (Toastcfh)
Root Part 2 (Toastcfh)
Install New ROM (SuperSonic Version or other??)
Radio Update (Toastcfh - Optional??)
Thanks,
Bryce

You could use unrevoked to root which doesnt wipe your phone and then you would be able to run titanium backup to back your apps then do full root which will wipe your phone install the ROM and radio you want then use titanium backup to restore your apps.

Will I still have to update the radio since I already installed the OTA update? I guess I am confused on the radio thing, is it a driver update or a firmware update?

I beleive once you root using toasts method which uses the PC35IMG.zip file that it downgrades the radio to prior the OTA update. Installing the radio is easy though. Once rooted just install your ROM following the creators directions then flash the radio using the current radio zip and it flashes just like a ROM just has to reboot a couple times. Just what ever you do DO NOT pull the battery during a radio update even if its taking awhile let it finish or you can brick your phone. I used the radio zip found in Flipz ROM post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700448

Do you have to flash the radio every time that a new ROM is loaded or just once after doing the root?

LWhitson2 said:
Do you have to flash the radio every time that a new ROM is loaded or just once after doing the root?
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Nope, you sure don't.

Some questions about rooting (phone is already rooted)

I just want to say that I have successfully rooted the phone and I am running root required apps just fine. But I have some further questions about where to go from here.
#1: Flashing ROMs using ClockworkMod--do I have to wipe my phone every time I want to change a ROM or can I just install a new ROM on top of the old one?
#2: I keep getting a message about needing to update the Firmware... I heard there was some kind of update which kills root so I have been avoiding the Firmware update. Is this the update that kills root? How do I get this OTA update message to stop showing up & is there an updated rooted firmware I can install to not lose root and still have an up to date phone?
#3: What are the benefits of doing all the junk listed in the rooting tutorial after rooting the phone like unlocking the nand? Why would I ever want to make a nand backup?

AlphaWhelp said:
I just want to say that I have successfully rooted the phone and I am running root required apps just fine. But I have some further questions about where to go from here.
#1: Flashing ROMs using ClockworkMod--do I have to wipe my phone every time I want to change a ROM or can I just install a new ROM on top of the old one?
#2: I keep getting a message about needing to update the Firmware... I heard there was some kind of update which kills root so I have been avoiding the Firmware update. Is this the update that kills root? How do I get this OTA update message to stop showing up & is there an updated rooted firmware I can install to not lose root and still have an up to date phone?
#3: What are the benefits of doing all the junk listed in the rooting tutorial after rooting the phone like unlocking the nand? Why would I ever want to make a nand backup?
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1. You have to wipe every time you flash a rom of different build...example: you have Fresh Rom and you want to go to Damage Control, then yes you would have to wipe. If you are just updating Fresh .3 to Fresh .5 then you would not have to wipe.
2. There are updated roms out using the latest software patch. I know Damage Control's latest utilizes this...not sure of the others, as I have only run his since the last update.
3. Making a "nand backup" is nothing more than backing up the current rom you are using in case you screw something up you can just revert to your backup. Unlocking nand also allows you to "write" within Android vs. having to do it using adb commands.
hope this helps...I'm sure others will chime in.

pretty much what admorris said.
#2 make sure never ever to take an ota update!!! you could lose your root forever Wait for a dev to incorporate the update (you should find an updated rom and the update messages will stop)
#3 You want to unlock nand because that is full root. The first part of rooting is only the half of it Most custom roms now require nand be unlocked in order for the rom to properly function

thanks. Is there any app I can download to make a backup of my settings & apps? I'm tired of wiping my phone and starting over from scratch.

titanium backup

Want to upgrade to 2.2, but not sure how to proceed

Greetings all,
My Evo is still at 1.47 after foolishly taking the OTA update, and I haven't yet re-rooted it after the exploit was discovered. I want to upgrade to 2.2, but I am hesitant to do so after all the warnings from last time about taking OTA updates.
I really am not interested in a custom ROMs all that much, as I prefer stability and I want my 4G to work correctly.
With that said, I do want to keep my future options open. So, with that in mind, how should I first proceed?
I don't care about losing my apps and data, etc. I will reload.
- Should I follow the tutorials to first fully unlock the NAND?
- If so, can I then apply the official 2.2 update over the air?
- If I do that, and I have unlocked the NAND, can I revert to rock stock later?
- Is there a way (kitchen?) to keep the stock ROM and just remove some apps?
Thanks for the guidance, just want to proceed cautiously.
-Rob

robroy90 said:
Greetings all,
My Evo is still at 1.47 after foolishly taking the OTA update, and I haven't yet re-rooted it after the exploit was discovered. I want to upgrade to 2.2, but I am hesitant to do so after all the warnings from last time about taking OTA updates.
I really am not interested in a custom ROMs all that much, as I prefer stability and I want my 4G to work correctly.
With that said, I do want to keep my future options open. So, with that in mind, how should I first proceed?
I don't care about losing my apps and data, etc. I will reload.
- Should I follow the tutorials to first fully unlock the NAND?
- If so, can I then apply the official 2.2 update over the air?
- If I do that, and I have unlocked the NAND, can I revert to rock stock later?
- Is there a way (kitchen?) to keep the stock ROM and just remove some apps?
Thanks for the guidance, just want to proceed cautiously.
-Rob
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DO NOT UPGRADE/UPDATE, do a full root then flash any of the Froyo/2.2 ROM's already rooted

most of the release roms have 4g working as well as are very stable. I bet if you tried any of the custom roms you would be suprised. I have very few issues with the custom roms i have used (mainly fresh and dc). As i need my phone everyday for work and am a very heavy user because of it i can tell you hat you will probably be fine with any of the big custom roms (cm6 excluded if you need 4g)
Now on to the question if you root and then take the OTA you are basically jsut wasting time as it will unroot your phone. Your best bet is to root the phone and then if you dont want a custom rom find the stock rooted 2.2 rom in the dev section and flash that. it is the stock room except it doesnt override your root. nothing else is done to it.
This would allow you to have froyo on as close to the ota as possible while not killing your ability to root or taking away your root.

This. I'm lost along with all of the other users who applied the OTA to 2.2 (I have the leaked version). Once I get root again I will never unroot, ever. Flash this ROM (Post ID: 740520, can't post links yet), it's the rooted OTA ROM for 2.2. Keep your NAND, keep your root... having official software means you're stuck with terrible "official" support from HTC and Sprint.
Best of luck.

Cannot update OTA after Gingerbreak

I don't doubt there is some info here but i just cannot find it.
I downgraded to 2.3.2 and ran Gingerbreak to get rid of some bloat. All is fine but whenever i do an OTA update it goes through the whole process of finding and downloading the update, resets phone etc. All looks well but when it reboots after the four blue dots on the boot screen thing, it says software update failed. Has happened three times now.
Is there something i need to switch off etc? I dont really mind losing root with a PC update as long as dont get fifa, sims back etc.
Any ideas?

I think that the OTA update will fail if you have removed some bloatware... have you tried to restore everything you've removed before doing the update?
If I remember correct, after you run Gingerbreak, the first thing you should do is OTA update, THEN can you start remove bloatware. That's how I did anyway, and it worked.

1. After initiating Gingerbreak, DO NOT REMOVE BLOATWARE YET.
2. OTA first before removing unnecessary apps as the update will detect any tampering within the system/app directory and fail the update process.
3. When you update via PC Companion or Update Service, you lose root and at the same time you get all the bloatware back.
4. Update using OTA ONLY if you want to keep root after using Gingerbreak.
5. Next time, browse through threads, it will save you the trouble and the forums the clutter.

Thanks for the reply but it was not obvious about 'not removing bloatware'. I found threads with plenty of descriptions of the process; hell, I even used one to do it. But in none of them could I see a warning of removing the bloatware; in a few this was the tutorial for getting rid of the bloat.
As 2.3.4 is not available OTA does this mean I am basically stuffed? I only want to Root to get rid of Fifa, Sims etc. If I do the OTA to 2.3.3 (latest offered in the UK via OTA) then remove the Bloat, I am going to be unable to OTA to 2.3.4.
Is there any way of getting rid if these rubbish Sony apps without unlocking and still be able to update OTA when 2.3.4 comes out?

You could always redo the whole process of applying .184_UK => Gingerbreak => OTA to 2.3.4 then remove bloatware again.
...or use Titanium Backup to remove the bloatware, saving a backup of everything you remove and restoring it once you'd like to OTA update the next time. I haven't tried this but I suppose that would work too.

here's my opinion on your situation buddy.. for now, use gingerbreak to root then OTA to 2.3.3 xLoud. don't remove bloatware yet while we wait for 2.3.4. i didn't remove yet any bloatware from my phone because i'm waiting too since i rooted mine through gingerbreak.. why be bothered with bloatware? there has been a test somewhere showing no/little difference between stock and bloatware-removed Xperia PLAYs in terms of performance.. besides, android manages its ram very well unlike windows. android actually performs better if its RAM is nearly full. it's called pooling.
but if you're too bothered with the bloatware, you can always use titanium backup to freeze unwanted apps so you can unfreeze them when ota becomes available, saving you the trouble of repeating the whole process again.
as i said i havent removed bloatware yet because im waiting for 2.3.4 via ota, but believe me i've seen/experienced no significant decrease in overall performance. be patient buddy, it will serve you well.
PS: i don't trust that much the backup capabilities of TB.. i recommend you have a copy of all your apps under system/app and take note of what apps you remove so you can just manually bring them back via Root Explorer or so then set the permissions to rw-r--r--. i feel more confident when i do things manually.

Cheers guys. Now on 2.3.3 with root..I guess I will have to wait for the 2.3.4 OTA and mess with backups before removing the bloatware.
Your assistance, as always, has been invaluable. Thanks so much...

I've currently got my bloatware frozen, but I've also integrated updates into the system rom for updates to Maps, YouTube, etc.. will I likely have issues for OTA updating to 2.3.4? Not sure if it checks system app versions..

[Q] root access with ota available, ota updates not working

I have successfully done the guide to rooting your m8 while keeping the ability to do ota updates. However the ota updates are not working. It just keeps rebooting trying again and failing again.
I have xposed and xprivacy installed. I have the stock recovery installed. Was I supposed to remove xposed? I tought I read that I didn't have to in several places.
I read the entire thread of the guide and have searched for a while. I couldn't find any other errors like mine in any way.
Thank you for your time.

I am not positive on the M8 yet, but on an N5 for example, you can't take an OTA with a custom recovery, or Xposed.
And you need to properly uninstall Xposed. Search on that, I haven't done it.
Also, if you've made other system changes.. Like uninstalling system apps, it won't work either.
I'm not an OTA type, I flash updates manually... And I definitely am not sure if this applies to the M8. ?

You have to have stock recovery, stock rom, and stock kernel to be able to OTA.
I think you must not have any system installed mods as well. (HK sound mod etc.)
s-off and root and xposed do not affect the OTA.