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Long Time Reader, First Time Rooter.... :/

Ok, so I really like my HTC Evo, but I want to expand a little outside the box. I used to load custom ROMs on my PPC6700 and that was very straightforward and easy. It seems like this whole Android Rooting thing is not quite so.
What I want to do is load a stock ROM with everything working, but the option to remove some of the Bloatware from Sprint. My biggest problem right now is that I don't know how to backup all my current apps without having root access. In order to get root access, from what I understand, I have to completely erase my phone. Kind of a viscous cycle. Can anyone help me out with this?
Also, should I do the full root (including NAND) or just the base root? Finally, do I have to do the radio update after rooting, or do I not have to worry about it since I already did the first OTA?
Here is the info I have gathered so far:
Root Part 1 (Toastcfh)
Root Part 2 (Toastcfh)
Install New ROM (SuperSonic Version or other??)
Radio Update (Toastcfh - Optional??)
Thanks,
Bryce

You could use unrevoked to root which doesnt wipe your phone and then you would be able to run titanium backup to back your apps then do full root which will wipe your phone install the ROM and radio you want then use titanium backup to restore your apps.

Will I still have to update the radio since I already installed the OTA update? I guess I am confused on the radio thing, is it a driver update or a firmware update?

I beleive once you root using toasts method which uses the PC35IMG.zip file that it downgrades the radio to prior the OTA update. Installing the radio is easy though. Once rooted just install your ROM following the creators directions then flash the radio using the current radio zip and it flashes just like a ROM just has to reboot a couple times. Just what ever you do DO NOT pull the battery during a radio update even if its taking awhile let it finish or you can brick your phone. I used the radio zip found in Flipz ROM post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700448

Do you have to flash the radio every time that a new ROM is loaded or just once after doing the root?

LWhitson2 said:
Do you have to flash the radio every time that a new ROM is loaded or just once after doing the root?
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Nope, you sure don't.

Backup and restore rom

I was wondering is it possible for me to backup current rom and restore it if I needed
If yes please give me steps
Also how possible for mento restore manufacture setting and everything like I just purchased

Are you rooted? If so, just use ROM Manager (which uses either ClockworkMod or Amon RA depending on which you choose) to do ROM backups. Same to restore.
Restoring to factory settings is a bit more complicated, but there are tons of threads about it here. Just search and read. You're looking for the stock RUU. Or you can flash the new 2.2 stock OTA from Sprint and it will update you and make it all stock. But you won't be able to root it.
Oh, by the way, if you're NOT rooted and you have the 2.2 update, you can't root it yet, as far as anybody here knows, so you can't do any of this.

Go into Recovery Mode, scroll down to Backup/Restore & choose to perform a nandroid backup.
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Yes my phone is rooted and I need to know how can I get old rom like android 2.1 the reason for this is I did rooted but there is issue with android market which some software does not have in there like alingplayer so I was wondering if something is wrong.
Btw if I use simplyroot it has 2 steps which 1. Root, 2. Flash it. Now do I need to flash it or just root it should be fine, could this cause the market not showing all software like slingplayer

Um . . . did you do the 2.2 OTA update?

No I don't 2.2 ota update. Currently showing 2.1 but rooted I know because I can do Internet wifi tether but it seems some application missing from droid marketntherefore I need to try restore to original rom or older so I can see if the software I look for is in the droid market or not
Please give me idea on this

I'd just let your other thread run until you get your answers there, then. Don't run so many parallel threads, you'll get confused. If you want your market fixed, that's something you can do with existing threads and info. If you want to flash a new ROM just to get your market fixed, make sure that's what you need to do.

random noob questions...

OK,
1st Hi all and thanks for not bashing my lack of knowledge. I have done many searches and am now more confused than before.
I am comming from a droid X, I did the z4 root on it to get wifi tether working, it was on 2.2.1 I believe. Well it went very good, but I never got a push for an update. Got the new GN on verizon and tried to restore it back to stock, didn't work, so instead of selling it I gave it to my mom. Also, did this on a friends and he did get the update push and lost the root and superuser access.
This story is just so you know I am a complete noob. Other than following someones set by set on using Z4 I have really not done anything and have some questions on my new phone.
1. why would I want to unlock the bootloader?
2. after reading about the wifi hotspot by svtp do I need to root?
3. If i root and/or unlock the bootloader will this stop the updates from google (main reason I bought the phone)?
4. I am not into overclocking or modding but I want to be able to have wifi if I ever need it. That is the only thing I want.
Basically I am looking to unlock the wifi and still get all the google updates, is this possible? As of right now I think buying the svtp app is my best bet, I just don't want an unexpected bill showing up.

ok, still not rooted or unlocked. cannot get svtp to work wifi

Follow this guide --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382163

re #1: you need to unlock the bootloader to do pretty much anything non standard with your phone.
Since unlocking the bootloader wipes all data on the phone it's a good idea to do it early. You can leave it otherwise stock while you think about it, you can even relock it if you need to return the phone for some reason.
Neither unlocking nor rooting the phone will stop you getting the OTAs, it's custom roms that will do that. However most OTAs will stop your root access because they reset the permissions on your su files.
hth

Clancy_s said:
Neither unlocking nor rooting the phone will stop you getting the OTAs, it's custom roms that will do that. However most OTAs will stop your root access because they reset the permissions on your su files.
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Just to add further to this... not only will custom ROMs stop you from getting OTA updates, having custom recovery (ClockworkMod) will prevent them from applying, even with the stock ROM. If using a stock ROM with custom recovery, you'll need to do the update manually. If you wait until you get the update notification, your phone should have downloaded the update to /cache. You can then use the custom recovery to apply the update. Alternatively, you can look on these forums for someone to post the URL to the OTA update zip file, download it, and flash it manually (this way you don't need to wait until your phone gets the update, you can download it and have it sooner).
In either case, you'll usually need to re-root, as stated. This is easier with a custom recovery, because you should just have to flash superuser immediately after flashing the update, before rebooting.
Until CM9 is stable, I'm running the stock ROM with ClockworkMod recovery. I can download the OTA updates manually and flash them with ClockworkMod then flash superuser and I'm good to go. Custom recovery makes it nice and easy to retain root, as well as the ability to do nandroid backups, etc.

[Q] Is it safe to OTA update to 4.3 on my rooted phone?

So I rooted my phone using the method outlined in this thread here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771687
I used odin to flash the 4.1.2 T-Mobile image and I stopped at the part that said "If you just want a stock, rooted phone with no custom recovery, no plans to flash custom roms, etc. then you can stop HERE" because I only wanted root so I could fix the keyboard bug (keyboard would revert to stock one after resets).
So my question is, can I update to 4.3 via the OTA update that is in the About Device > Software Update section in the phone? Looking elsewhere the official instructions say that the phone should not be rooted before updating. If so, can I get rid of the root in order to update? (As far as I know, the keyboard bug doesn't exist in 4.3 anyway so I don't think I need the root anymore). If not, how can I update to 4.3?
Lastly, and somewhat unrelated, can I use the factory data reset in the Back up and reset section of the settings? Previously in my experience with roms, this would lead to a boot loop but I'm not sure if that is the case with this so-called rooted stock rom.
Thanks in advance.

You can use OTA RootKeeper to temporarily disable Root so that you will receive the update. Or you could also visit the Root66 thread you have linked. There you will see Rooted version of the 4.3 update.
Having said that, You will want to Research the consequences of the 4.3 Stock update. In particular you wish to research the consequences of CIQ, KNOX and the new EFuse Bootloader.

I am by no means an expert but I figure I just did this so it may help you out. I updated my phone to 4.3 accidentally on purpose and then I decided to root my phone like the next day. I used Mr Robinson's method and then used his third method to download the ROM manager and install CWM Recovery and then I put Cyanogen on it. I have not had any issues except the app Trailer Addict doesn't work with it but that is not a big issue. I have everything else that I wanted and more. I don't care about the flash counter since I am not under warranty. Oh and you can use Titanium Backup to back up your apps. I didn't do this the first time so I had to back up from Kies 3 by dragging files onto my SD card and not all worked. I hope I helped a little.

To root or not to root?

So I got my phone today and rooted it directly. When I was browsing through the apps, I saw it has an update but it didn't let me install it because the phone was rooted. So, I had to go back to stock rom with a kdz file wiping everything, which seems to be the latest rom right now. I'm thinking about if i should root or not right now. Will I have to wipe everything again when the phone gets another update? Are you all in this situation or do i not know something correctly?

Some how I was able to install latest ota with root and also nothing was wiped.
Im not 100% sure but I think you can unroot with SuperSU then ota should go through but I may be wrong.

If you want to use apps like g3 tweaksbox, titanium backup etc, you will need root! I think you can do so much more when your Phone is rooted, so i would root it immediately!

homer285 said:
Some how I was able to install latest ota with root and also nothing was wiped.
Im not 100% sure but I think you can unroot with SuperSU then ota should go through but I may be wrong.
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I also took an OTA for my F460S while rooted and it worked. My phone also is fine (it didn't die, crash or kill itself). When I get my next OTA I'll upload a video to show that it does work for some odd reason (only for a few people that I have seen). The benefits of rooting outweigh the drawbacks. If you root your phone, than you should be comfortable flashing a KDZ to restore it.

OTA updates often modify existing pre-installed apps, otherwise known as bloatware, so they check to be sure those targets are present and unmodified. If you have rooted but not deleted or removed or frozen any such apps, your system will pass that OTA test.
Some OTA's also look for su being installed, and hiding su can fool that, depending...
Sometimes the OTA is just mean altogether, for your protection.
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