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a2SD & titanium backup help.

Hey guys Im running LeeDroid rom.
I wanted to get a2sd to work, so I partitioned my SD via Rom manager with 512mb EXT3/0 swap
I titanium backuped all my apps/data. Transfered the folder to my deskop then did
the partition part via ROm Manager. When that was done I batch > restore apps and data.
My internal memory on the phone still says 30mb available ?
SD & phone storage is as follows:
SD:
Total space: 6.92 GB
Avail Space: 6.90GB
Internal Phone Storage: 34.25MB
Did I do something wrong ? How I know if my apps are on my SD card? Also if they are am I suppose to have more Internal Phone Storage?
Update: Under manage Apps > On SD card .... There is no apps what so ever there so must of done something wrong :S
Thanks !

how many apps do you have? with apps2sd it still uses some internal memory and some cache so internal memory will drop

According to titanium I have 22 user apps 148 data. But like I said under manage apps,on SD there is nothing. So prob did something wrong. How can I check if my SD is partitioned properly with a 512mb. Or even if a2sd is working.
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22 apps seems like internal memory is being used and not apps2sd
heres how to check if its working
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677073
it can be done using connectbot app from market
open connectbot and use local
then type
su
ls -l /data
this should list the top 2 items as:
lrwxrwxrwx root root 2010-04-28 22:54 app-private -> /system/sd/app-private
lrwxrwxrwx root root 2010-04-28 22:54 app -> /system/sd/app
ls -l /system/sd/app (will list apps on installed to your SD Card)

Awesome found my problem lol. I didn't have a2sd installed. I assumed it came with the Rom,just read and its optional and must be flashed.
Now is there a away to see if I partitioned correctly with a ext3?
Also do I back up apps and data or just apps.
Also how do I put my davlik cache on my SD or just put the apps.
Sorry first time doing all this LOL.
Thx for the help.
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So I installed a2sd.
Now my available internal phone memory is 125MB ... Is this right ?
Also under applications> manage apps> on SD nothing shows there is this normal ?
I thought that I would show all the apps.
Pretty sure its all installed properly. Because yesterday there was only 30mb of interal storage.
Just wanted to confirm if I should see apps under "on SD" in manage apps.
thanks

aCx85 said:
Hey guys Im running LeeDroid rom.
I wanted to get a2sd to work, so I partitioned my SD via Rom manager with 512mb EXT3/0 swap
I titanium backuped all my apps/data. Transfered the folder to my deskop then did
the partition part via ROm Manager. When that was done I batch > restore apps and data.
My internal memory on the phone still says 30mb available ?
SD & phone storage is as follows:
SD:
Total space: 6.92 GB
Avail Space: 6.90GB
Internal Phone Storage: 34.25MB
Did I do something wrong ? How I know if my apps are on my SD card? Also if they are am I suppose to have more Internal Phone Storage?
Update: Under manage Apps > On SD card .... There is no apps what so ever there so must of done something wrong :S
Thanks !
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Your big mistake in my opinion was when you restored the Titanium backup. This not only restores apps (to their original location!) but also restores system data, some of which may not be compatible with Froyo and A2SD+
I recommend you do a factory reset/full-wipe including davlik cache, then check free memory at next reboot (before restoring anything).
With EXT3 and A2SD+, you should have 130MB+ free in phone memory.
If you get 130MB+ free, then don't restore the backup this time, but instead re-install all apps from the market manually.
Assume you have an 8GB SD card? The fact you have 6.92GB free on SD and not 7.5GB, suggests your 512MB ext3 partition is there, and probably working fine.

Sounds right as most people are getting 135mb after a fresh install with that rom.
Also try Quick System Info and in there it will give you a reading of the A2SD+ memory being used.
I think the way A2SD+ works is to trick the phone (with shortcuts to the programs on SD) into thinking its on the internal memory so maybe that's why they don't show up as installed on SD.

[Q]modInstallLocation with A2SD+

I know that when i have A2SD+ and a well-partitioned sdcard, I don't even need to modInstallLocation. All apps I installed will just go to EXT partition of the sdcard. But when I'm installing some games, I find that some apps will still install to the EXTERNAL sdcard(on the fat32 partition) and I don't want this to happen!! I have A2SD+, so I want all my apps can install on my EXT3 partition!! I tried setting the modInstallLocation to 1[internal], and reinstalling the app, but it still shows up in the sdcard!! Not on the phone with the A2SD+ EXT partition! It's in the .android_secure folder!!!!
Maybe it's a bug of modInstallLocation, or it's my misunderstanding of the purpose of modInstallLocation? I suppose when I have A2SD+, I should set the modInstallLocation to 1[internal] so that my apps will try to install on the internal phone memory, but actually on the EXT partition with A2SD+. Is that correct?
And if so, what's the problem??

Move it back to internal then, it'll use the a2sd+ setting.

Set it to auto, the apk will be on the ext, many games and apps will store data on the sd as they require a large amount of space
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[Q] Question A2SD & OpenDesire 4.0.34

Hi,
I'm using OpenDesire 4.0.34 and have partitioned my sdcard to have 3 partitions:
1 - FAT32 14GB
2 - EXT3 512MB
3 - SWAP/CACHE 32MB
Now I have one question:
I have enabled the "Allow application moving" setting in Settings->CyanogenMod settings->Application settings and selected Install location: Internal the same screen.
My question is: I've installed a bunch of apps I often use and they used to leave me with only 19MB free in internal phone memory. Now it shows free internal memory around 120MB?! I've checked all the apps in the Manage applications and they are on the phone (at least it says so). I've mounted /sd-ext in recovery and all the apps are there...
Can anyone explain me what's goin' on here?
Thanks for your help!

Uhm... you do know that the partition of an ext3 sd-ext system is exactly to provide greater storage space for your applications, don't you?!

Guess not...
The /sd-ext is the mount point of my ext3 partition on the sd card?
Anyway, I didn't move any app to sd card (at least explicitily).

z7x8c9 said:
Guess not...
The /sd-ext is the mount point of my ext3 partition on the sd card?
Anyway, I didn't move any app to sd card (at least explicitily).
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When you use Ext3 partition youll get "A2SD+" and both your internal memory and your Ext3 partiton will become your new "internal" space on phone. So if the setting is set to "internal" the apps will go to ext3 and internal phone memory.
The internal phone memory counter however only show how much space you have on the internal phone memory where only small parts of the apps is installed.

I just removed my sdcard to see what would happen and all my apps are gone.
As such I assume they are all on the sdcard...
So when using the ext3 partition, how can I choose if an app is installed to the phone memory or to the sdcard? Is this possible at all?
Also, when I go to manage applications, I can "move to sd card" any app, but what does this do then?
I'm a bit confused...

Moved to Q&A as not development.
Please do not make new threads in development to ask questions

z7x8c9 said:
I just removed my sdcard to see what would happen and all my apps are gone.
As such I assume they are all on the sdcard...
So when using the ext3 partition, how can I choose if an app is installed to the phone memory or to the sdcard? Is this possible at all?
Also, when I go to manage applications, I can "move to sd card" any app, but what does this do then?
I'm a bit confused...
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you are getting apps2sd confused with the native android move to sd function!!, when you create an ext partition and use a rom that supports apps2sd, the developer has used a script that point the device to the /sd-ext as the INTERNAL STORAGE location, where as if you use the move to sd function in android, the apk's are move to the Androidsecure folder in the root of your sd card, as aposed to being stored in /data/app

I think I've got it...
On an a2sd enabled rom, I'm not required to do anything in order to install apps on the sdcard.
The move to sdcard button is the native android method to move apps to the sdcard.
I got confused because in OpenDesire in the Settings->CyanogenMod settings->Application settings there is an option to allow application moving, but all this does is enable me to move any app to the .android_secure using the move to sdcard button. It's got nothing to do with a2sd, right?
Thanks for your help!

[Q] ROM full, even with app2sd; dalvikCache

So, you are thinking 'not again the *** apps2sd n00b question', but here I am
I did some research on XDA and the rest of the internet though, but nobody seems to have this problem.
I have a rooted Desire with DeFrost 6.0. With it, it is very easy to install your apps on the SD-card. I have only 8 apps on the ROM itself, but those are widgets and apps with notifications like Facebook (notifications don't work if they are installed on de sd-card is my experience).
The rest of my applications are installed on the sd-card (around 80 apps). But the problem is that all apps also have a piece of dalvikCache on the ROM as well. You all know that of course. For instance, I installed Documents To Go (5MB) on the sd-card. It also has 5MB dalvikCache on the ROM, so thats double the price .
Now if people ask here 'is it safe to move the cache to the sd-card', most of you say 'unless you want to show off how much empty space you have on your phone, I would just keep it on the phone'. But I do not have any free space.
With DiskUsage I can see that I have around 150 MB of data: 26MB system data, 15MB free space (and he is already nagging the telephone is running out of space), and more than 100MB of applications, with most of it is dalvikCache.
So is this normal? Is 80 apps really the max you can have?
My biggets app is by the way Documents To Go (5MB), and I had to delete it. So I don't have very big apps.
Just want to know how much apps you guys have
Thanks.

How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?

It's not unusual to move dalvik cache as well as the app. You will need root though, and then just partition your sd-card and install a rom with a2sd+. The only /data/data will take up space on the phone.

UpSpin said:
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
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I didn't do anything to force the cache to stay on de phone. But it's normal the dalvikCache is on the phone memory right?
I use defrost 6.0 and in it you can go to settings > applications > manage applicatons, an you can move all your apps to the sd-card. I'm not sure what kind of A2SD that is.
I move any applications with widgets to my phone memory, because otherwise widgets don't work anymore if you reboot your phone.
@mortenmhp: But also a lot of people do not recommend to move the dalvikcache. Is it safe to do?

you're confusing a few things:
APPS2SD:
There are two methods used at the moment.
The Froyo method, made by Google, which you use at the moment. It installs the app on the phone memory and is able to outsource a small amount of data to the FAT32 partition on your SD-card. It does create failures with apps that use widgets or run in the background.
The A2SD+ method, integrated in DeFroST and almost every other custom ROM. You have to create an EXT3 partition on your SD card (use ROM manager for this) and then reflash the rom. After that it gets activated automatically. All apps and also the dalvik cache gets moved on the EXT3 partition on your SD card. You don't have to and you shouldn't move any apps around afterwards with the Froyo A2SD described above. Only some small data gets stored by the apps itself on the internal phone memory.
Moving the dalvik cache is safe. Maybe you confuse it with SWAP? Which isn't necessary on the HTC Desire.

ok, this is a little confusing
I'm running defrost
let's suppose that I installed the firefox app.
the diskusage tool tells me that it takes 13,4 MB in internal memory.
in applications settings, I have the option to move the app to sd card.
When I do this, my available memory does not change (102 mb)
Does that mean that firefox was already on the sd card ?
In that case how do I know what eats up my data storage ?
Thanks for precisions ?

Do you use A2SD+ together with an EXT3 partition.
If so, every app you install will get installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-card together with the Dalvik cache, instead of your internal phone memory. If you move this app with the Froyo A2SD tool to the SD card then you'll move the app from the EXT3 partition to your FAT32 partition, stupid.
However, every app, while running, creates some temporary data files. Those files remain on the internal phone memory. And maybe Firefox mobile creates some huge data files, but the main app is installed on the EXT3 partition, now, because you moved it with Froyo A2SD, a small part is installed on the EXT3 partition and some part, the moved on the FAT32 partition. The created data remains untouched.
I had 106 MB free internal memory. Then I installed Firefox and still had 106MB free. I started Firefox, 103 MB free.
Diskusage tells me Firefox needs 2.81MB internal memory. 2.81MB of this is data.
In the Android app settings android tells me Firefox occupies 16.19 MB, 13.38 MB for the app, 2.81 MB data.
So those 13.38 MB are located on the EXT3 partition. If I move Firefox now, parts of the 13.38 MB get moved from the SD card to the SD card.

Ah, I get it now. Thank you very much. I did everything you said, so it should be ok now. So there is no need anymore to move apps, with widgets for instance, to the memory of the phone?
Thanks!

If you use app2sd with the ext partition now, then no, you don't have to move any app or widget around, and you shouldn't.
With Quick System Info you can check how much free space is left on your ext partition.
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Apps2SD+ installed, apps still installing on internal memory?

Hi, I've recently installed MIUI-Au on my Desire. Think everything went fine, but when I install apps now it still seems to install on my internal memory instead of ext3. Under SD card settings it tells me A2SD+ has a total space of 504mb and available space of 462mb and my internal memory only has 16.39mb left. Is there anything I have to enable to make the apps install on the ext3 partition instead?
THanks

http://www.miui-au.com/faq/a2sd/

I've read that already, still doesn't solve my problem though. I assume A2SD+ is working because it shows up on the SD card info and Quick System Info when I load it.. is that assumption wrong? Whenever I install an app, almost all the data is installed on internal memory and then I get the message memory is full while A2SD+ is almost completely empty.

What does quick system info say?
It would help if you post what it states in terms of internal, external, ext...
For me that has been the most reliable in terms of accuracy.
Mine
A2SD total 0.98gb Free 772mb
Int total 151mb Free 105mb
System 250mb Free 23.23mb

A2SD+ still does not install everything on the ext partition, that is why you can have the low memory message without having filled up your ext partition.
If you need more space look in to using data2sd or changing hboot.

TheGhost1233 said:
A2SD+ still does not install everything on the ext partition, that is why you can have the low memory message without having filled up your ext partition.
If you need more space look in to using data2sd or changing hboot.
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As he says lol...look at my internal!
Thats why I asked for stats..almost completely empty may not mean empty

apps2d moves /data/app/ and dalvik cahe to sd ext
data2sd moves /data/app/ /data/data/ and the dalvik cache to sd ext

A2SD Total 504MB Free 462MB
Internal storage Total 148MB Free 15.34Mb
System Total 250MB Free 125MB
It just seemed a bit uneven IMO.