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[Q] Have I got A2SD setup correctly

I have installed LeeDroid 1.8b with A2SD+. I just want to check if this is what should be happening....
Using Quick System Info
SD Card Storage Total 13.87GB, Free 13.31GB
A2SD storage Total 0.89GB Free 675MB
Internal Storage Total 148MB, Free 90.94MB
System Storage Total 250MMB, Free 51.26MB
Then using Quick System Info, I move as many applications as I can to SD. I noticed that A2SD storage free space increased from 675 to 695.
SD Card Storage Total 13.87GB, Free 13.27GB
A2SD storage Total 0.89GB Free 695MB
Shouldn't A2SD free space decrease when apps are moved to SD??

Sounds like you have Froyo A2SD version enabled and are transferring some apps between the two?

It sounds like you have a2sd setup properly, but not making much use of it.
a2sd maps the 'phone storage' to a folder on your ext partition. When you use the froyo 'move app to sd' function, you now move it from your ext partition onto your fat partition (the partition that gets unmounted when you switch your usb connection to 'disk drive' mode).
Personally I used 'mod install location' to set the default install location to '1 (phone)' so that apps go to ext not fat, and remain accessible.

If I'm using the froyo version does that mean I didn't flash leedroid's a2sd+ properly? or do I have to enable a2sd + in modinstall?

[Q] ROM full, even with app2sd; dalvikCache

So, you are thinking 'not again the *** apps2sd n00b question', but here I am
I did some research on XDA and the rest of the internet though, but nobody seems to have this problem.
I have a rooted Desire with DeFrost 6.0. With it, it is very easy to install your apps on the SD-card. I have only 8 apps on the ROM itself, but those are widgets and apps with notifications like Facebook (notifications don't work if they are installed on de sd-card is my experience).
The rest of my applications are installed on the sd-card (around 80 apps). But the problem is that all apps also have a piece of dalvikCache on the ROM as well. You all know that of course. For instance, I installed Documents To Go (5MB) on the sd-card. It also has 5MB dalvikCache on the ROM, so thats double the price .
Now if people ask here 'is it safe to move the cache to the sd-card', most of you say 'unless you want to show off how much empty space you have on your phone, I would just keep it on the phone'. But I do not have any free space.
With DiskUsage I can see that I have around 150 MB of data: 26MB system data, 15MB free space (and he is already nagging the telephone is running out of space), and more than 100MB of applications, with most of it is dalvikCache.
So is this normal? Is 80 apps really the max you can have?
My biggets app is by the way Documents To Go (5MB), and I had to delete it. So I don't have very big apps.
Just want to know how much apps you guys have
Thanks.

How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?

It's not unusual to move dalvik cache as well as the app. You will need root though, and then just partition your sd-card and install a rom with a2sd+. The only /data/data will take up space on the phone.

UpSpin said:
How have you forced the Dalvik Cache to stay on the phone memory and why/how have you copied your widgets on your phone memory?
PS: Do you use an EXT3 Partition or the Froyo legacy A2SD?
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I didn't do anything to force the cache to stay on de phone. But it's normal the dalvikCache is on the phone memory right?
I use defrost 6.0 and in it you can go to settings > applications > manage applicatons, an you can move all your apps to the sd-card. I'm not sure what kind of A2SD that is.
I move any applications with widgets to my phone memory, because otherwise widgets don't work anymore if you reboot your phone.
@mortenmhp: But also a lot of people do not recommend to move the dalvikcache. Is it safe to do?

you're confusing a few things:
APPS2SD:
There are two methods used at the moment.
The Froyo method, made by Google, which you use at the moment. It installs the app on the phone memory and is able to outsource a small amount of data to the FAT32 partition on your SD-card. It does create failures with apps that use widgets or run in the background.
The A2SD+ method, integrated in DeFroST and almost every other custom ROM. You have to create an EXT3 partition on your SD card (use ROM manager for this) and then reflash the rom. After that it gets activated automatically. All apps and also the dalvik cache gets moved on the EXT3 partition on your SD card. You don't have to and you shouldn't move any apps around afterwards with the Froyo A2SD described above. Only some small data gets stored by the apps itself on the internal phone memory.
Moving the dalvik cache is safe. Maybe you confuse it with SWAP? Which isn't necessary on the HTC Desire.

ok, this is a little confusing
I'm running defrost
let's suppose that I installed the firefox app.
the diskusage tool tells me that it takes 13,4 MB in internal memory.
in applications settings, I have the option to move the app to sd card.
When I do this, my available memory does not change (102 mb)
Does that mean that firefox was already on the sd card ?
In that case how do I know what eats up my data storage ?
Thanks for precisions ?

Do you use A2SD+ together with an EXT3 partition.
If so, every app you install will get installed on the EXT3 partition on your SD-card together with the Dalvik cache, instead of your internal phone memory. If you move this app with the Froyo A2SD tool to the SD card then you'll move the app from the EXT3 partition to your FAT32 partition, stupid.
However, every app, while running, creates some temporary data files. Those files remain on the internal phone memory. And maybe Firefox mobile creates some huge data files, but the main app is installed on the EXT3 partition, now, because you moved it with Froyo A2SD, a small part is installed on the EXT3 partition and some part, the moved on the FAT32 partition. The created data remains untouched.
I had 106 MB free internal memory. Then I installed Firefox and still had 106MB free. I started Firefox, 103 MB free.
Diskusage tells me Firefox needs 2.81MB internal memory. 2.81MB of this is data.
In the Android app settings android tells me Firefox occupies 16.19 MB, 13.38 MB for the app, 2.81 MB data.
So those 13.38 MB are located on the EXT3 partition. If I move Firefox now, parts of the 13.38 MB get moved from the SD card to the SD card.

Ah, I get it now. Thank you very much. I did everything you said, so it should be ok now. So there is no need anymore to move apps, with widgets for instance, to the memory of the phone?
Thanks!

If you use app2sd with the ext partition now, then no, you don't have to move any app or widget around, and you shouldn't.
With Quick System Info you can check how much free space is left on your ext partition.
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[Q] SD-card partitioning / storage layout on desire

Dear XDA forum,
since a few roms i always get a "low on storage" warning, even after factory reset and flashing a new rom.
So i'd want to ask for a small summery of what storage there is inside the desire and on the sdcard and how to solve this problem
My sdcard is 16GB class 10. I didnt partition it manually (i think).
according to my desire it has effective 14.2gb.about 2gb are used and 4gb are free? that doesnt sound right.
so i guess its 2 partitions?
could anyone please tell me which mountpoint is which?
and how do i solve the low storage problem? do i need some a2sd script or do i have to more the internal storage to the sdcard?
which mountpoints do the scripts actarlly move?
i have no problem with repartitioning my sdcard. i was given to understand that u usually need a fat32 partition (for apps i guess) and an ext2/3 partition afterwards. some scripts even allow a swap partition at the end of the sdcard to be used as swap space. is that a good idea?
i know its a lot of questions :/ but i hope for some good answers :>
thanks & greetings,
soomon

my advice would be to backup your sd card and (re)partition using gparted, start from scratch because I don't know what your current configuration is, step 5 here
choose ext3/ext4 partition (max ~1.5GB) depending on rom requirements, most support ext4 and should be slightly faster. most roms don't need swap partition.
in simple terms, your space will get taken up by apps (apks), dalvik cache, app cache and app data. most custom roms will automatically move apks to your sd-ext partition. there are various different scripts which move the other bits around. generally it is better to keep app data on internal (/data partition)
regardless of which rom you choose, use an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions, so you can work out where and how all your space is being use.
to maximise space you also need to be s-off and correct hboot for the rom (again should be stated within each rom thread, or search within it)

ok so the first partition on the sdcard will become my sd-ext which will replace the /data partition on the internal storage.
I guess is hould try data2sd then?
with a class 10 it should not get that slow and i get loads of space on that partition.
thanks for your help.

also use links2d,very usefull.....

hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?

soomon said:
hi again,
as i see in a terminal emulator by typing "df -h"
my data is 150mb and has 15mb left, so i guess i better moe the whole partition to the sdcard as i'd have to move all the apps to the sdcard anyway sooner or later.
my /system has only 5mb of 250mb left. is that a problem?
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depends entirely what rom you're running if any, and what scripts it uses. basically you should be able to find some way to install many apps without running out of space (one of the main reasons for rooting in the first place ).
with your current setup, you could try something like link2sd to just move apps and dalvik to sd, see if you have enough space that way. you shouldnt have to manually 'move to sd', keeping them on 'internal' tricks them to sd-ext. (you can use something like 'diskusage' to check they're actually on the sd-ext)
the system partition is meant to be mostly full. free space on /system is wasted space.
you're still on stock hboot, which is why your data partition is so small.
if you install another rom, many of them have a smaller system size, so if you're s-off you can flash a different hboot to repartition your internal memory layout: your system size will reduce to roughly match your rom, and the saved space is converted into extra data space, see alpharev.nl for hboots.
e.g. if your rom system is 140MB, will fit nicely into cm7r2 hboot with 145MB system, and you get 287MB of data instead of 150MB. 287MB can be enough to store app data and dalvik cache if you don't have too many apps.
i refer you to these sets of guides for further reading, should explain a lot more, and better than i have...

thanks eddie,
i'm still s-on and stock hboot, but i use a custom rom: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766550
i guess the problem is that LBE gues 4 and lookout together need over 22mb of space :/
i'll try link2sd then.
thanks!

hm.. when i try to install link2sd i get "insufficient storage available". that program is not even 1MB in size and i have 15mb of free space on the internal storage.. what can i do?
edit: i'll try to install it at home with an adb tool. maybe i have more luck with that.

follow instructions for a2sd with that rom (scroll down). this will move apps and dalvik to sd-ext automatically. or follow/search the thread for other methods, it's regularly discussed...
[not used link2sd, it should in theory do the same thing, but my advice would be to stick with the instructions as that's the recommended way if you really need/want to install link2sd...uninstall something else to make more space ]

ofc removing apps might help (althrough i only installed 2 or 3). but 15mb should be enough to install a 800kb software
gonna try to install some apps later after running a2sd.
thanks a lot man didnt see that information.

Question about [ROM][Jan 23. 2013] MildWild V-4.9 JG

Hello, I had older version of this ROM , and there was a function in Settings>Applications, to move application to SD card/To phone/To SD-ext.
Now in the newest version of this ROM there is no such thing as Move to SD-ext. Maybe someone could tell me how can I move apps to sd-ext ?

Mildwild removed this option from around V-4.3, which is why I'm still on that rom. It allowed you to choose apps on internal, sd-ext or classic froyo apps2sd.
The latest version moves apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext automatically, you don't have to do anything. As long as you have a correctly partitioned sd card (4EXT or gparted), it will work.
Keep apps on internal to trick them to sd-ext, i.e. don't 'move to SD' . Also use cm7r2 hboot to maximise space as well.
If you install another app like 'diskusage', it will tell you how all your partitions are being used.

eddiehk6 said:
Mildwild removed this option from around V-4.3, which is why I'm still on that rom. It allowed you to choose apps on internal, sd-ext or classic froyo apps2sd.
The latest version moves apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext automatically, you don't have to do anything. As long as you have a correctly partitioned sd card (4EXT or gparted), it will work.
Keep apps on internal to trick them to sd-ext, i.e. don't 'move to SD' . Also use cm7r2 hboot to maximise space as well.
If you install another app like 'diskusage', it will tell you how all your partitions are being used.
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I partitioned my card correctly, because on earlier version it worked, but now it shows me o 65mb used and 82mb free. My partition is 1GB. So i assume something is wrong because apps are not moved to sd-ext automatically ?

MisterMonitor said:
I partitioned my card correctly, because on earlier version it worked, but now it shows me o 65mb used and 82mb free. My partition is 1GB. So i assume something is wrong because apps are not moved to sd-ext automatically ?
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Install diskusage like I said, you should see your sd-ext partition being filled up. You need to understand what is stored where.Your user app apks and dalvik cache should be automatically moved to sd-ext, and app data should be on internal memory (data partition),
However, 65MB used and 82MB free is your internal memory correct? This adds up to 147MB, which means you are on stock hboot. With diskusage look at your system partition, on stock hboot you will see a lot of free space on /system which is completely wasted. You should change hboot to cm7r2 to use space more efficiently.
Your rom system size is ~140MB. On stock hboot, your system size is 250MB, so you waste 110MB. cmr72 hboot has 145MB system, so you waste only 5MB. The saved space is converted to extra internal memory, 147MB increases to 287MB
What I believe is that your sd-ext partition is working fine, except that your internal memory (/data) appears to be filling up quickly because it is only 147MB, when when it should be 287MB total by simply switching to cm7r2. 287MB should be filled up by app data only (not apps or dalvik), which is plenty.
To change hboot you need to be s-off:
- Nandroid backup
- Get the hboot from alpharev.nl, then flash cm7r2 hboot using fastboot, guide here
- Reboot back to recovery, full wipe and restore nandroid.

phone memory low even in2extv2+ installed

Hello ALL!
i have htc desire with stock hboot s-off.
1gb Ext3 on sd,
Nikez Lente ICS 4.0.4 installed
after that i decide to install some memory swap script to increase memory
i installed int2extv2+ .
Luckily it successfull installed . i can see internal memory 1gb (my sd ext mounted as internal storage)
but after installing some applications i get notification "phone storage memory full"..
what to do please help.. but internal storage is still 400MB free (sdext)
Thanks

tauqeer512 said:
Hello ALL!
i have htc desire with stock hboot s-off.
1gb Ext3 on sd,
Nikez Lente ICS 4.0.4 installed
after that i decide to install some memory swap script to increase memory
i installed int2extv2+ .
Luckily it successfull installed . i can see internal memory 1gb (my sd ext mounted as internal storage)
but after installing some applications i get notification "phone storage memory full"..
what to do please help.. but internal storage is still 400MB free (sdext)
Thanks
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I think u have to activate the script by terminal emulater like how u do a2sd but I never used int2ext.
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- Find out what is using your internal memory first. Install something like DiskUsage, enable root and browse your actual /data partition. It should be 147MB total size. It's probably filling up despite the script. This may explain the low memory warning
- How did you partition your sd card? Should be done with 4EXT recovery or gparted only, not clockworkmod or minitool
- Did you install the correct version of the script for your partition? I've only used it once on a different phone / ROM. I used in2ext4+ or something like that, suitable for an ext4 partition, seemed to work
You could repartition to an ext4 partition (slightly faster than ext3), and pick the version of the script which moves apps and dalvik cache to the sd-ext.

Why don't you try Beanstalk RC6 4.4.4 + mounts2sd? You will never have low mem issues.. specially if u move everything to ext4. The thing is you need a good sd card..