getting mt3gs in two weeks
but i doubt i will root it
has anyone seen and IMPROVEMENT before with rooting?
not as in features and whatnot but as in speed, stability, battery life?
be honest here
i had a g1 and i rooted it and every rom that was made [FAST] or [STABLE]
was really just an easier way to say [ALMOST WORKS AS GOOD AS STOCK, BUT NOT REALLY, JUST ALMOST]
i have a feeling if i root my slide that i will just be on an epic quest to find a rom that actually works meaning functions properly
i want to be able to base the rom i use on features and not functionality...
has anyone noticed any improvements? be honest here
im a die hard android lover and have done every hack and run every rom there is
but i feel like you get so used to how they work that your idea of blazing fast
is in reality just barely keeping up with a stock setup
i have yet to find a rom that will still be blazing fast a week after use
they all seem to crash and burn miserably
has anyone else noticed this?
i just really want to know if it is an improvement to root my mt3gs or just kind of a "thing to do"
and yes this is my first post but i never felt like me taking up space would help anyone
i learned everything i know from here but i am no dev by any means
i just felt like this is something that needed to be said
ParkerOviedo said:
getting mt3gs in two weeks
but i doubt i will root it
has anyone seen and IMPROVEMENT before with rooting?
not as in features and whatnot but as in speed, stability, battery life?
be honest here
i had a g1 and i rooted it and every rom that was made [FAST] or [STABLE]
was really just an easier way to say [ALMOST WORKS AS GOOD AS STOCK, BUT NOT REALLY, JUST ALMOST]
i have a feeling if i root my slide that i will just be on an epic quest to find a rom that actually works meaning functions properly
i want to be able to base the rom i use on features and not functionality...
has anyone noticed any improvements? be honest here
im a die hard android lover and have done every hack and run every rom there is
but i feel like you get so used to how they work that your idea of blazing fast
is in reality just barely keeping up with a stock setup
i have yet to find a rom that will still be blazing fast a week after use
they all seem to crash and burn miserably
has anyone else noticed this?
i just really want to know if it is an improvement to root my mt3gs or just kind of a "thing to do"
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I came from a G1 also and I can agree with what you say....Kinda. I was able to find a few ROM's for my G1 that were very stable and much faster than my stock ROM. I used several for weeks and didnt have any problems with them slowing down' but there were some that didnt work as well also.
You will definitly see speed improvements in the future for the MTS but right now it is so new that the ROMS coming are doing smaller tweaks such as removing all the bloatware and alot of the sense UI stuff.
After you get your MTS you will want to root it when you see all the crap bloatware and stuff that t-mobile and Htc put on it. Thats what got me to do it.
I forgot to tell you: I havent noticed a speed change since I rooted but those changes will come. A overclocking kernel will be made so it can be overclocked and that will speed it up. I will say it is pretty fast right now ( more than I thought it would be) and coming from a G1 it is a big improvement.
Rooted myself but still on the stock ROM. The phone has not slowed down any since I have had it or since I have Rooted. I happen to like the Sense UI so I am waiting for a 2.2 With a Custom Sense/speed improvements.
That is exactly how I felt about the G1. And the Slide is so fast that I was hesitant to root and jump into someones ROM that is supposedly stable and fast but in reality is not. Luckily we can root and stay on the Tmobile ROM which is what I did.. now I have some of my convenient root apps including wifi tether and hopefully soon can delete some bloatware and ill be happy as can be with the stock rom.. no apps2sd no non sense crap.. I like the phone how it is.. That being said my bluetooth has been acting up and I did not notice this until after rooting..
now keep in mind i am the noobest of noobs in modifying phones. i have an Epic 4g and haven't even touched the surface on it's potential apparently from reading through this forum.
my question is (before i start doing anything else to my phone) what exactly does a custom kernel do for your phone?
also what exactly does a custom rom do for your phone?
I am currently running a rooted Epic 4g w/cwm and i am on the DK28 build.
what else does everyone reccomend for me to get the full experience from my phone? (in the way of a custom kernel and custom rom, since i am pretty affluent to most apps at the moment)
Well a custom rom is usually optimized for speed and responsivenes. All roms are different since devs usually put there own mods and thems in. Some are completely stock temed others are themed fully. Depends on what your tastes are. As for kernals they're usually overclocked and undervolted which means it'll be overclocked to 1.2 or 1.3 ghz and run at the same power level as 1ghz or less. Usually gives faster phone with beter response and overall speed. (Opens apps quicker) hope this gives a little insight. I'm personally running epic experience 2.0.07 and genocide kernal overclocked to 1.2 ghz.(not undervolted at 1.2 ghz only at 1ghz so battery suffers a bit). Waiting for next epic experience release.
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that does help tremendously! i had most of it figured out but i wanted to be sure as to what they meant. i appreciate the help and i will be trying the rom and kernel you suggested!
No problem man.
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I rooted my Evo with unrevoked3 and have had a pretty good experience so far. I used stock HTC Sense, then switched to CM7 and tried Fresh and am flashing MIUI.
But, what the heck do I know? What would be a good kernel/ROM combination? I'll go with either Sense or something else, I just want 2 features:
1) speed (I overclock too, using SetCPU)
2) wireless hotspot
I don't really care about 4G that much, I just want something stable and fast.
I understand most of how to do it, but a few words of advice would be nice too I guess.
As far as the wifi hotspot, all roms have this built in. And even if they didnt, Wireless Tether is available for free in the market.
As far as rom/kernal combo, I hate to say it, but just read on here. Nobody can tell you what the best combo for you is. You just need to experiment and try different things until you find one that works.
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As far as the wifi hotspot, all roms have this built in. And even if they didnt, Wireless Tether is available for free in the market.
As far as rom/kernal combo, I hate to say it, but just read on here. Nobody can tell you what the best combo for you is. You just need to experiment and try different things until you find one that works.
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What he said.
You would need an overclocking kernel. There are a few out there. A popular one is Netarchy's kernels. Check development.
soo many variables when it comes to ROMS and kernels. theres a lot of roms and kernels that speed things up and stuff. it all comes down to your preferences on look, feel, battery etc...
theres sense based roms that are plenty fast and stable IMHO. I use a Mik 4.5 AND 4.6 ROM samples in my Sig.
AOSP and gingerbreads may be a bit faster but not as stable. I KNOW, I KNOW theres a lot of folks that say its stable because you have to tinker and update all the time. if you like a high maintenance rom try them out. just brace yourself for them forums if you have any noob questions. dont get me wrong not everybodys flamers but a lot of em are.
check out these and Flash like Mad!
best database out there
sense kernels
S-zen non-sbc and S-zen
kernel guide
...always nand backup
I figured out the problem I had with Cyanogenmod7's wireless tethering, thanks.
I've been trying to install MIUI but having some problems with that... Myn's working good for me though, and still looking around. Thanks much
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I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks
hotstocks said:
I read in Development forums that the new Nitrous rom is
an updated stock rom that is much faster. I have flashed
many roms and kernels in the past and never saw a speed
difference (unless overclocked). Well I tried Nitrous and again
noticed no difference in quadrant or nenamark2 scores (I game).
I flashed the hotspot hack and it did not work, so I flashed
a supposed faster anthrax kernel. Nothing got faster, but now
the hotspot wifi works. So Nitrous is a good looking rom, but
I don't get how everyone is saying it is faster. The only bugs
I found is that set cup or cpu master, as well as sd speed increase
tweeks do NOT stick after reboot. Anyone have any ideas on that?
And can people post their quadrant and nenamark2 scores to
show if it is really faster? Thanks
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Quadrant scores dont really tell you anything and can easily be manipulated, linpack scores are a slightly better judge for performance but still not truly accurate and easily manipulated, your best judge for true performance increase is to use it for several days preferably a week and see how it runs for you
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That's kind of my point. I have tried many roms/kernals and no matter
what speed claims they have, they are all the same (sense based).
I would think that 3d games like Shadowgun, Nova, or Dungeon Hunter
would seem faster/smoother with so called faster roms and kerrnels
like Nitrous/Anthrax, but they are exactly the same speed as Sprint
Stock HTC Evo 4g? All these roms floating around are visually different,
but the speed is exactly the same, so why do devs claim their rom
is faster?
I watched a guy on youtube flashed 119 roms/kernals and said
SavageZen/MUII or something is twice as fast (quadrant), but
the guy lost the ability to mount the phones SD card and 4g!!!
So, my question is:
For the Sprint HTC Evo 4g rooted,
what is THE fastest sense rom/kernel?
Or are they really all the same speed?
Mainly interested in faster gaming, and I do have chainfire installed.
Thanks
Damn Hotstocks at this point I don't think there is anything different anybody can tell you that would really meet your demand... Perhaps maybe you can seek the opinion of notorious XDA Guru "Captain Throwback" and see what he thinks on this matter, this dude forever has a good tip on just about any relevant issue.
Hmm, it would just seem that people around here would
know what is the fastest kernel/rom for full Sprint HTC evo 4g
sense compatibility. Unless I am mistaken, all the sense roms
are the same speed and people are lying when they say they
are faster (Nitrous). I can see how Cyanogen or a senseless rom
could be faster, but all the sense roms I have tried were no faster
than Sprint HTC stock. Maybe a Nitrous user can chime in here.
Hey,
I am not sure what he did to the software of the phone but it appears to me that he didn't tweak the system speed at all but if you noticed transitions are faster and he changed a lot of the animation settings to no dealy so they move faster and gives the Rom the appearance it is faster but the Rom itself has no physical speed changes. That's my two cents anyways
I hope I helped if I did please hit the thanks button
Stevo
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You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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You do realize the evo is almost 2 yrs old and is severely limited in capabilities by its hardware right? No one can answer your question because every evo is different and every user is different what makes my evo fast may make your evo crawl and vice versa, you also have to wait several days after flashing for the rom and kernel to settle in before your really see any performance difference, you cant flash a rom for an hour or 2 and then judge it they HAVE to settle
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This is pretty much what it is hotstocks, just keep in mind these are just a few factors that may vary results from user to user.
Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.
hotstocks said:
Thanks for the info. I know the hardware is not dual core or the newest.
And I do let the rom settle in for 10 minutes. I don't see any reason why
it would need to settle in for a week, but will use it for a week. And the
statement that my evo will be a different speed than yours makes no sense.
If we both have a Sprint HTC Evo 4g running the same rom and kernel at the
stock 1ghz, they will be both the exact same speed and should quadrant the same.
Obviously if I have a bunch of programs running in the background, that changes, but I am talking about after a fresh clean flash.
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U obviously need to read some more, there are 3 different hardware versions of the evo 002-004 and all have slightly differnt hardware thus they all act differentlu with different software, it takes much longer than 10 minutes for hardware to adjustbto new software which it why it needs to settle in for several days
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Thanks for the info. My hardware says 0004
Does that mean I have the newest/fastest hardware?
Newest doesnt mean fastest so no it all depends on what they had when it was made they have different logic boards different cameras different screens different brands of memory but all have the same processor just different combos all run differently
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Thanks. I know my phone isn't the latest and greatest.
But I am holding out for the LTE Sprint phones coming this
summer. It would be silly to waste my 2 year upgrade on
a Galaxy SII with wimax, when I will need an LTE phone this
summer. Plus it will probably be a quad core 1920x1080 monster
also. Right now I am just trying to make my phone as fast as
possible. It is overclocked to 1.13ghz, have sd speed increase at 2048.
I thought there would be a SIMPLE answer to which sense rom and
kernel were definately the fastest, but I guess no one can answer
that simple question. I have been working on computers for 30 years,
I can install windows XP, windows vista, and windows 7 on three identical computers, I can also flash old and new bioses to the motherboards,
and I can DEFINATELY then benchmark the same machines with different bios (rom) and kernel (windows version), and tell you what is the fastest. I fail to
see why this is so difficult to do with a smartphone like the evo 4g. I would think that the rom/kernel with the highest quadrant (graphics) score and highest Nenamark2 score would be the fastest rom/kernel. Games or 3d graphics is where the phone runs into a bottleneck.
not all evo's are created equal bud, that's just how it is
Every computer, phone, tablet, game console, router, etc. is going to have significant performance variances at an individual device level. Even ones that are identically configured, running the same OS, software, firmware, drivers, etc. A 20+ year career as a network engineer showed me that, and nothing has changed in that regard with more modern electronics.
I'm running the Nitrous ROM as my daily driver so I'm rather familiar with it, and I really don't see how you can claim that anyone lied to you. The ROM has simply been tweaked to speed up the UI, transitions, and a few other things. Read the first section of the OP for that thread -- it clearly states what has been improved. Nowhere in there does it claim overclocking or anything that would improve phone gaming. The improvements related to data/Wi-Fi have quite a few other factors at play, including the base level variances between devices that I mentioned in the first paragraph. I haven't really noticed an improvement in Wi-Fi, but have noticed an improvement in 3G.
All that said, the ROM is visibly faster and "prettier" (which usually don't come together in one package) on my EVO 4G than any other Sense ROM I've put on it. You need to read/understand what the dev did and not let your expectations get so out of whack. If you want better game performance, you're simply going to have to get a better phone. For its time, the EVO 4G was an absolute BEAST. Now? There are quite a few better phones.
Thanks, and I agree. The evo can still play almost any game on the market (not gta III) with acceptable performance. Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same. I also seem to have a problem with sd speed not sticking between reboots, even though I have checked it. Same with CPU master free (set cpu) settings not sticking thru reboot. I also think the live wallpaper wasn't sticking thru reboot, but that was on 1.2.7, haven't tried it on 1.3.1., just wastes battery.
hotstocks said:
Nitrous is a nice looking rom, my 3g is same speed. I am using it as my daily, but it is misleading that it is claiming to be faster than stock, it is the same.
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We'll just have to disagree on that one, because overall it's a much faster ROM for me. However, I use my phone as just a smartphone (multimedia, light browsing, email, texting, etc.) where the Nitrous tweaks would be more obvious and beneficial, and then use my Acer tablet far more for gaming.
I think you should just pick a Sense or AOSP ROM that you like and is well supported, and then focus your efforts on various kernels and trying out their options/settings to try to get the most out of your "old" hardware while you wait to get a new phone.
Thanks, I actually did that and it is how I found Nitrous.
I think it is the best sense rom right now, but it has a few
little bugs. I can't post yet in the dev forum for Nitrous,
but the live wallpapers definately do not stick with reboot,
goes back to Nitrous default wallpaper. Other than that
I am pretty happy with Nitrous and Anthrax kernel (for oc
and wireless tether). Real stable. I was just saying that
when the dev says it is much speedier, and his lock screen
says "Nitrous Oxide System", I expect to see a noticable
speed increase. If you put Nitrous Oxide into a Corvette or
Mustang, it doesn't just get get 1% faster, it gets 25% faster!
With Nitrous you REALLY should notice the speed difference.
Yo Hotstocks I'll give you credit for sticking to what you feel son LOL I'm shock you still debating in this thread however if it's ok with you let me give you a little tip since I noticed you might be a little excited to comment on the Dev once you get more than 10 post... Be very gentle with what you say over there because these people spend a lot of time and effort behind what they do for somebody to come and talk smack about their work... Chances are they'll rip you a new one if you cross the line... Just saying son don't take it to the heart either.
It's very low. I'm rooted on stock rom. Shouldn't the results be a bit higher?
That's about right I get about the same not overclocked With custom rom. You gotta remember this phone is dual-core not quad-core. Quad-core will always run faster in most cases. Now if you over clock the kernal you could run faster. The extra ram we have just help keep the system running smoothly not necessary making it any faster.
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I wouldn't worry too much about benchmark scores. If your phone is running good, smooth, and fast then that's all that matters.
Benchmark scores are for nothing but peoples E pen*s. They can be modified to make it look better then they really are. If your phones performing to your standards and not running like crap. Then that's all that really matters.
milky1112 said:
Benchmark scores are for nothing but peoples E pen*s. They can be modified to make it look better then they really are. If your phones performing to your standards and not running like crap. Then that's all that really matters.
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That's the thing It's not really running to "standards". Lags from time to time and button/app response time could be a bit faster than it is. Thing is I am satisfied with the stock rom but wouldn't mind switching to something SIMILAR that is quicker and less bloat. Just not sure which one would meet that criteria.
bocaccio said:
That's the thing It's not really running to "standards". Lags from time to time and button/app response time could be a bit faster than it is. Thing is I am satisfied with the stock rom but wouldn't mind switching to something SIMILAR that is quicker and less bloat. Just not sure which one would meet that criteria.
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Most roms can be debloated. Once your rooted, then you can remove any apps you like. I run The People's Rom. Love it.. (Used it on my OG Epic) It's not debloated, but i remove the apps i don't use via root explorer.