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Does anything think they have the fastest Manila 2.5 ROM?
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, but I've read (and personally found out) that WinMo 6.1 uses less RAM.
All the ROM's I've used use around 78-90% ram, which means I can't run any apps!
My Current ROm seems pretty good(Sun Y), but when some parts are a little laggy and stil uses quite a bit of RAM.
Think this will help alot of people if chefs try to work on a ROM like this. I know it's hard because looking for a Manila ROM is looking for a RAM eating ROM too but I'm sure it's possible, with lots of tweaking..
Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
GenghisKhan said:
Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
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the problem is, the iPhone OS was written FOR the iPhone. Eventuall iPhoneOS7 or whatever will come out and will require hardware far better than the iphone...it will never be ported becuase apple dont like that sort of thing.
Manilla 2.5 was NEVER supposed to run on the diamond...it just hasnt got the hardware to do it properly.
Manilla 2.1 works fine, no problems, fast as you like...this was ALSO never supposed to run on the diamond, but it's been ported successfully becuase the phones is WAS supposed to run on arent far off the diamond hardware wise.
2.5 doesnt
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also this may sound stupid but many ppl actually doesnt know how to use slider correctly...
we dont have that iphone glass screens we have resistive screens actually made for stylus. if u want to move it use little bit of nail and u see how smooth it scrolls
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
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This sounds promising! I will be keeping an eye out!
GenghisKhan said:
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
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36mb free means 69% on startup. That's quite a few mb more than Kisja's 6.1 ROM with Sense 2.5, so I hope you'll be able to tune that down a bit And I recommend you to free up way more storage. 50mb on main storage is not much!
I'd love to test your ROM when it's out, I hope you'll get it all to come out nice! Keep up the work!
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
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I'm not comparing how good the iphone is - if you ask me you'll find I'm rather against the iPhone and its over rated popularity. The only thing that I apreciate from the iphone is it's 3.5mm jack that so many phones fail to have, as well as smooth scrolling.
Never said the iphone was better than WM.
confused as h3ll
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
Benkos is allright...
But like I said It's hard to find one which will give you more RAM and have manila 2.5/wm6.5.
And SUN Y is good too.
I've found SUN Y's to be the one with most response as well as easthetics..
THe most fluent ROM i've used is NRG's, except so much RAM Is used you can't even use the camera and some points
PsychoTraining said:
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
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I've had great experinces with the Gen.Y ROM's, high recommended!
I'm currently tryin the SUN Y 6.1 rom with sense, and after a bit it can get very ram hungry, but that's mainly sense. I tried the 6.5 with sense and that was just rubbish, around 90% RAM after like 10 mins... Now i'm waiting on the RC2 of the SUN rom
This thread is gonna create flame.
Mod, please close it.
the fastest rom i ever used is 2.11 offical
but love cook rom and now 6.1 + TF3D 2.5
that my choose.
Deep Shining
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
I'll be waiting ....
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It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
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I'm waiting for U. I also used the Deepshining 8.2 and until now no other rom handled the speed and free ram better than this one.
sense 2.5 isn't a perfect port to diamond or diamond dose not have the necesary resrources to driveit right.I haven't seen one rom on the forum that has smooth sense 2.5 and when i say smooth i say like manila 1.X
If you want a fast and stable WinMo6.6 with Sense 2.1, find the DonSalari's Rom.
I've been looking and sometime even cooking some roms for a few years and this ROM was my choice.
WM6.1 is much faster and stable than 6.5. I also always wanted to stick with new 6.5.x builds, but then tried Gen.Y wm6.1. It's way faster and smoother, especially sense. Also ram usage is 10-20 percent lower.
Also, sense 2.1 seems to be way smoother than sense 2.5, especially seen right after soft reset, when it has to fully load tabs yet, so scrolling through tabs in 2.5 is not smooth
I have also tried allmost all of the roms on this site. Now i'm using the Shaks. P v4.30 ROM with wm6.1. It's a clean rom without manila and with all the originall HTC stuff + some additional applications. Now I'm using this Rom with spb ms 3.5.2.
The best wm6.5 i have tried is also the Don Salaris rom but it has some bugs and i have to soft-reset my device quite offten.
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The problema its not the RAM coz sense 2.5 lags badly on Blackstone with more ram then the diamond so what is the problem? the CPU could be? the port of sense 2.5 is bad?
Hi!I just installed Android 2.0.1 on my Diamond with no problems at all(although the battery drains damn fast,camera and bluetooth kissed us goodbyes and GPS...wrong!)!
However,having used the Hero for a while now(I have both),I miss the Sense UI.I know I might be asking for a little too much,as it is still under development,but is there any way I can find an Android build with Sense?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi!I just installed Android 2.0.1 on my Diamond with no problems at all(although the battery drains damn fast,camera and bluetooth kissed us goodbyes and GPS...wrong!)!
However,having used the Hero for a while now(I have both),I miss the Sense UI.I know I might be asking for a little too much,as it is still under development,but is there any way I can find an Android build with Sense?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi
Sense isn't gonna be on the diamond for a while yet, check the main thread
If you used search, you would of found that out, please don't just make a new thread for everything
Badwolve1
has anyone had a look at THIS..i think if touch hd n rapheal can have it, we can also ( i got to the boot screen which kept looping at a lower res)
Do keep in mind that the diamonds RAM is a lot lower and the ram usage in android is not very good with the current builds..
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has anyone had a look at THIS..i think if touch hd n rapheal can have it, we can also ( i got to the boot screen which kept looping at a lower res)
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Did you try the SensePack for Android?
Yeah,RAM is IMO the worst aspect of the diamond...192?What is that?That's not only an android problem!WinMo also has issues with lack of RAM,especially 6.5!
And btw the reason why I created this thread was that I couldn't find a satisfying answer to my question!
Anyway,I tried aHome Lite(full version and GDE are paid and currently not available here in Greece) and it crashed like ****.It only popped the well known message that the process ahome.blah blah blah is not responding.
A question I'd like to ask is whether it actually runs ON WinMo or is WinMo closing before Android boots?Anyway the ****ty amount of RAM makes it annoying whatever the case is!
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has anyone had a look at THIS..i think if touch hd n rapheal can have it, we can also ( i got to the boot screen which kept looping at a lower res)
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I got to the main screen of Sense Hero..
1 - changed startup.txt : mtype to 1805
2 - i took the zimage from latest eclair (Keep the same if you want to)
3 - while booting it got stuck to HTC shiny screen so i deleted the Swapfile and tried...it booted up but PATIENCE is what we need. it takes a longtime and too much of Lag.
lets keep trying it...Best of luck!
There are android phones with the same amount of ram as the diamond (ie. galaxy/spica). So it should do fine but the build is just an early alpha . Patience patience..
Nickschot I hope you're right!It's such a nice phone!Why would it get stuck with WinMo 6.1(because 6.5 isn't it's thing) and get no attention?
Anyway...Will try Sensepack...Be back for report!
Well...First off it's laggy and buggy as **** and using it really needs patience!However as I see that's because of Sense...Is there any way to disable it?It appears to be working better than bare android...
salim1001 said:
I got to the main screen of Sense Hero..
1 - changed startup.txt : mtype to 1805
2 - i took the zimage from latest eclair (Keep the same if you want to)
3 - while booting it got stuck to HTC shiny screen so i deleted the Swapfile and tried...it booted up but PATIENCE is what we need. it takes a longtime and too much of Lag.
lets keep trying it...Best of luck!
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the swapfile get recreated every time i try to boot haret n my sensepack always get stuck at the hero bootscreen, n u having it in fullscreen??
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the swapfile get recreated every time i try to boot haret n my sensepack always get stuck at the hero bootscreen, n u having it in fullscreen??
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Yes Data and sensepack gets created .... Yes it came in as a fullscreen but it was too laggy so decided to put a hold on to it...will stick to Android Eclair testing as of now...
I suppose I too will stick with Eclair(vanilla) cause sense messes things up really much...Right now,except for unbearable lagging and countless bugs Sense doesn't support fullscreen so you have to turn it off,Wi-Fi doesn't work(unlike vanilla Eclair which has a pretty much normal connection) and many things cause Android to reset.So I came to think...Android is really nice and functional without Sense!
However,is there any way to port Hero's look to the diamond?Without Sense crap.As long as the device is recognised as the Hero it seems to work better,more smoothly and fluid...Plus I love the black menus!
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I suppose I too will stick with Eclair(vanilla) cause sense messes things up really much...Right now,except for unbearable lagging and countless bugs Sense doesn't support fullscreen so you have to turn it off,Wi-Fi doesn't work(unlike vanilla Eclair which has a pretty much normal connection) and many things cause Android to reset.So I came to think...Android is really nice and functional without Sense!
However,is there any way to port Hero's look to the diamond?Without Sense crap.As long as the device is recognised as the Hero it seems to work better,more smoothly and fluid...Plus I love the black menus!
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Try Panda Home from Market Place and search for Hero Theme.....
Dude...I didn't know about panda home!It kicks ass!And it's really light!Less lag!And to think I was stuck with aHome Lite as my home replacement...Of course aHome full and GDE(?) must be better,however there are no paid apps available for Greece yet!
Well Hello Fellows...
As u ppls can see on my Sig...i just returned my Htc G1 due to some keyboard issue..and i m ready to do some nasty work for my TP2 but i need some answers before doing something with my TP2..
1st-- y we need some custom rom like 6.5.5...while we are already getting everything on the stock rom..and custom roms are same as stock rom some of the difference that the apps tab icons are big(as i am seeing on Custom Rom )<---- Prove me if i m wrong about it
2nd-- i m sooooooo exited to see android on HP2 and i really appreciate the hard work of the developers but i will wait till complete rom comes out ...and my main cause was to buy that machine is to use android on it but i need some user experience.....
3-- i want to know that difference between dual boot ..
3a --- as i saw that a dev created an app that we can directly boot android when we turn on the phone without booting in to WM...
3b---other is that 1st we need to turn on windows mobile then android ...
4--i will ask later when i get my other answers
i want to know which process is best like which process drain minimum battery and run android kinda normal speed...i know that its not that fast but come on ..
these are the main ques that are like dancing all time in my mind..Plz ignore my dictionary and answer my ques
ThankYou..
1. Different ROMs provide different experiences. For instance, the 6.5.x ROMs have a more finger-friendly navigation altogether, with the Windows Start button being at the bottom of the screen instead of the top.
Different ROMs will also give you different benefits. NRGZ ROM comes cooked with a radio app that doesn't need headphones (but of course, if you have a CDMA TP2, you won't have a radio to begin with). Deep Shine ROM makes the most of the Zoom Bar down at the bottom of the screen of your TP2. And Valkyrie's ROMs (the one I use) provides the most stability.
Note though that 6.5.x ROMs tend to be slower than most stock-ROMs.
2. You should just try Android for yourself. In my experience, Android was good. I actually downloaded the Facebook app with it, right after I downloaded the Facebook app for WinMo. So it was funny to see those two updates on my Facebook.
Regardless, sound doesn't work, and Camera doesn't work. When those two functions work, I myself will probably be using Android more than WinMo. I don't care much about BT. Look in the Android section of this sub-forum, find out for yourself.
3. Dual-boot simply allows you to boot one operating system first. So say you didn't want to boot WinMo first, then Android, the dev's app allows your to just boot Android first before WinMo. Simple as that.
Ask anything else, but take a look around first.
thanks buddy for your quick reply
well i have Vodafone Tp2..idk that is Cdma or not right now i using stock rom for windows mobile 6.5.5..that what the device says it have Sense UI i think TF3d 2.5...so i saw not much difference between my stock rom and the custom rom..and for the android ques well i was asking that which way is better ot use android like i think if i boot throught windows mobile then windows mobile will also take some ram else if i directly turn on android then android will use all the ram.and atleast runs better for this direct process and drain less battery....thats what i think and well i watched alot of videos and surfing web for this like 2weeks before asking these ques....
4---well for some games i want to use fpecse emulator...so any way to overclock the tp2..becoz i saw some of the videos of the emulator on Hd2 .. it runs the game pretty smooth...
5--App2SD..well can we use ap2sd on TP2 while using android?? <---Dump ques
4. There isn't a way (yet) to overclock your TP2. Oddly enough, Android on the TP2 is overclocked. But overclocking it via WinMo isn't possible as of current.
Regardless, playing certain games on FPSCE like FF7 works just fine. The more graphically enhanced the game is, the more the phone will lag. Every game I've loaded onto my phone (including the graphically beautiful Call of Duty 2) has worked just fine. Certain games are only in VGA, so download the WVGA fix (it's located in the "Programs to Download for your TP2" thread in the sub-section "Themes and Apps").
5. I wouldn't know about that, but if you want to put programs on your SD card, I believe they have a fix for that in the Android programs already. So, see that thread in "Android Development."
thanks mate for your quick reply .. well what about ram consuming?? speed effects.. direct android boot or android through windmo??
i know that i need to test it my self but also want to know the ppls expreience about android
I am a newbie to WinMo and Android devices.
I know it is possible to run Android on HTC window mobile pre-installed device, with the matter of the non-working camera.
I wanna know actually what is process/method which can makes Android possibly runs on HTC diamond, and does it mean once we have this boot system, we can boot any Android even the latest 2.2 Froyo?
All I want is to get some knowledge which can help me to step into this area, I love software engineering and find that this forum is the one which most positive users come, so hopefully I can start building sth from sketch in here.
Many thanks in advance, and thanks for the patiences and the kindness of knowledge sharing.
Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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Hi, as you said, it is currently possible to boot an Android system from a WinMo one. But they are some issues left, mainly the battery life. Indeed, battery drains pretty fast with Android (and the indicator is not accurate at all).
Concerning Froyo (2.2), I ran many android systems on my Diamond 100, and Eclair versions (2.1) are really very slow, that is why I am currently using a Donut version (1.6), which is pretty fast and stable. So I'm not sure the Diamond will be able to run smoothly Froyo.
Last thing: today, the only way to have a working Android is to boot on WinMo and then launch a program (Haret) which will "kill" WinMo and boot to Android from internal storage (or SD card for other devices). There is currently no way of flashing an Android as you can do with WinMo.
Hope we'll get asap a fully working Android for our WinMo's HTCs
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instead i think that froyo will run well...because yesterday i saw some benchmark over the nexus one and the preformance were multiplyied by 2...and i saw the internet browsing benchmark and was the fastest browser i saw
So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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So let's hope you are right about Froyo =)
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i hope it too..i love android...i'm waiting for froyo and for a flashable android...i don't like a lot wm
And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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And so do I ^^ I recently tried the Desire with Android 2.1, and I'll certainly buy one when I'll change my Diamond =)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess you are the one trying to cook a Sense XDAndroid ?
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i was trying but i was having porblem using ubuntu(no ethernet,no wireless and some other things) so when i will resolve those problem i will start
so haret in fact is a simulator?? just to provide a simulated environment to run Android?
If I'm right, Haret isn't a simulator. It is a program which, launched under WinMo, will kill all WinMo processes and boot on internal storage with Android files. Have you ever tried it?
if you want to try it the easy way:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5420781#post5420781
there is an cab to download, just install it
than you can run android
bewhare, android uses a huge amount of internetactivity ( maybe it costs money with your telephon provider )
or just for testing remove the sim card...
its the easy way to run android, for multiboot
you need to install a multibootmanager on your phone
for me there are some problems with android on the diamond,
i get sometimes time outs of some programs, but its possible to use it... and test it...
maybe some thing in settings but i tryed it only for some hours ( telephonprovier... i got only 300 minutes of mobile internet connection for free )
but remember, back up your data...
Hi guys,
Sorry for another post about Android for Diamond, but I really want to know if there's someone which is actually working on Diamond, especially for a COMPLETE port of Android 2.1 and/or Android 2.2 Froyo...
I'm really tired of having Windows Mobile 6.1 (GenY D2 R5.5 rom) in my almost old device like the Diamond is... And I think Android is pretty nice and fast in it!
The latest XDANDROID cab (27 june) is great, but still remains a few things to do, such as Camera (secondary for priority), and above all Battery Drain!!
Also the overheating should not be underestimated...
Finally, like other people here in XDA, I ask you "How much time we have to wait for a full distribution?"
I know that it's not simple, as it might seem.
Thanks in advance for all your hard work!
Maybe a donation from all people here can accelerate the process!
Let me know what do you think.
Iperzampem0 said:
Hi guys,
I'm really tired of having Windows Mobile 6.1 (GenY D2 R5.5 rom) in my almost old device like the Diamond is... And I think Android is pretty nice and fast in it!
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Try to use wm 6.5.x it is a step to the right direction if you like android finger friendly behaviour and you could try to use wm 6.1 with Sense 2.5+ CoOkie home tab for this - but this combination is a little bit memory intensive.
But wm 6.5.x with for example S2U2 are easily usable, with good speed, pretty stable and battery usage was solved - no significant draining. Try to use for example BsB or Ralphussion roms etc.
Mbiba
Or..
I wouldn't waste the space on android until it's battery shortcommings have been fixed. There is an android app that makes the phone behave in a similar manner like the I-Phone one for WM. This is a good compromise until everything on android works.
You should know there's a second thread with 2.2 versions of Android:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711692
Thanks for the answers! I'll wait patiently for an Android build to solve all the currennt issues... If someone has many effort, write it here.
Any good news about Eclair 2.1 or Froyo 2.2 on Diamond with good battery life!?
It seems not