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Hello everyone. I haven't flashed Android to NAND yet but I'd like to try it.
I am sure this question has been asked before but I did try the search and I couldn't find it. Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, for the Kaiser, if I flash Android to NAND (ie: Polymod's most recent) how do you flash back to Windows Mobile?
I'm concerned because USB does not connect properly when Android is running with HaRET ("unrecognized USB device" using XP SP3 couldn't make heads or tails of the drivers in the SDK but then I didn't try installing the whole environment)
So I guess my question is -- even with the device unrecognized, can you still flash it back? If so, how? Is it really simple and easy?
Please let me know and point me in the right direction! Thanks!
aikeru said:
Hello everyone. I haven't flashed Android to NAND yet but I'd like to try it.
I am sure this question has been asked before but I did try the search and I couldn't find it. Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, for the Kaiser, if I flash Android to NAND (ie: Polymod's most recent) how do you flash back to Windows Mobile?
I'm concerned because USB does not connect properly when Android is running with HaRET ("unrecognized USB device" using XP SP3 couldn't make heads or tails of the drivers in the SDK but then I didn't try installing the whole environment)
So I guess my question is -- even with the device unrecognized, can you still flash it back? If so, how? Is it really simple and easy?
Please let me know and point me in the right direction! Thanks!
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I beleive you can always follow the process here.
Your boot loader should not change when flashing so not being able to use the USB while in Android is not going to prevent your returning back to a stock ROM. I have not tested this but I'm pretty sure that you can always get back to your boot loader screen and re-flash from that point. Can someone confirm that this is the appropriate solution?
deekjx said:
I beleive you can always follow the process here.
Your boot loader should not change when flashing so not being able to use the USB while in Android is not going to prevent your returning back to a stock ROM. I have not tested this but I'm pretty sure that you can always get back to your boot loader screen and re-flash from that point. Can someone confirm that this is the appropriate solution?
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Did anyone try this solution?
Since the bootloader is still there all you do if not able to flash via async when in android is flash via bootloader
Moved to general as not ROM Dev.
Thanks for the information, guys!! I will have to try it out over this weekend and see how it goes...
I can confirm that flashing via bootloader works fine, also flashing from SD works as well, in fact I keep a 128MB sd with a WM kaisimg.nbh on it handy just in case I need to flash a good WM rom for some reason.
Is there an Android OS with everything working on the Kaiser?
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Is there an Android OS with everything working on the Kaiser?
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You can see in different post of android rom what works and what doesn't works.
actually, Bluetooth and camera never works for in android 2.x build and some other apps doesn't works
I've been running Android for a few weeks now from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614382
I've found everything to work with the exception of Bluetooth, video camera (normal camera works fine), and the barcode scanner. Also, my battery life is cut in half, but I have an extended life battery so I get a day or two out of it.
I prefer this method as you can just boot Android at will and can soft reset to go back to WinMo.
Just to let everyone know I did flash WM back just fine since I have HardSPL 3.56 and used the stylus to press the reset + camera button at the same time to get to the tri-color screen.
From there I flashed from USB without any problems.
Thanks again for all the help!
I am having problems reverting back to WM after attempting to install android to NAND. Something happened where the only way I was able to get to the android installer would be if I had the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the SD card so it would get past the tri color hard spl screen . Well as a result, I can't get into boot loader. It shows that screen for a split second, then if I do camera + power and then reset. Then I have to pull the battery. Can someone help me? It seems like it will only go into the Android bootloader, which obviously won't allow it to install a WM rom. SD flashes are my only choice because the usb port is pretty messed up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
The procedure for flashing WM back using SD card is much the same as flashing the Nand bootloader for Android.
First get a WM rom, copy the RUU_Signed.nbh to SD card, rename it to KAISimg.nbh, pull the battery, replace, press power and hold camera button, this should start the flash process.
Note that the SD card must be formatted FAT32, or it will not find the KAISimg.nbh.
If you prefer to flash a stock rom you will usually have to extract the RUU_Signed.nbh from the installer, just open it in winrar.
the reset in android is not working correctly. The correct way to get into bootloader is to pull the battery, wait a few minutes, rpelace the battery, press power and then press and hold camera button, do not use reset.
zenity said:
The procedure for flashing WM back using SD card is much the same as flashing the Nand bootloader for Android.
First get a WM rom, copy the RUU_Signed.nbh to SD card, rename it to KAISimg.nbh, pull the battery, replace, press power and hold camera button, this should start the flash process.
Note that the SD card must be formatted FAT32, or it will not find the KAISimg.nbh.
If you prefer to flash a stock rom you will usually have to extract the RUU_Signed.nbh from the installer, just open it in winrar.
the reset in android is not working correctly. The correct way to get into bootloader is to pull the battery, wait a few minutes, rpelace the battery, press power and then press and hold camera button, do not use reset.
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Thanks, but unfortunately this still did not work. Have any other suggestions? I think the only way will it even do anything is if I have the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the card. It recognizes that, but then goes straight to linux. IDK what else to do. Could you be a little more clear on the procedure for getting into the bootloader? Thanks.
Ok please follow these steps carefully.
1. Format the SD card, make sure you are formatting it as FAT32, not FAT.
2. Download a Winmo Rom from somewhere handy.
3. Extract the Rom to a handy folder, find the RUU_Signed.nbh file, rename that to KAISimg.nbh
4. Copy the KAISimg.nbh file to the SD card. You should only have one file on the SD card, no folders just the NBH file.
5. pull the battery from the phone, wait at least 5 minutes.
6. Replace the battery. Press Power button, and hold down camera button, until the tri color screen appears.
7. The screen should now change to a white one, and when it's checked the nbh it will ask you to press power key again. do that.
8. Now it should flash the rom, this should take a while, 5-10 minutes, once it's finished you should get a message of success.
9. Now pull the battery again, wait 5 minutes, replace the battery, and power on, you should now boot into Winmo.
Hopefully this should solve your problems, if not then let me know which setp failed and we can work on that stage.
Finally, don't panic, take it slow, it'll all work out
Thanks, but the problem starts at number 6. I am supposed to press the power button, release it, and hold the camera button till it gets to the white screen, right? It's still stuck at the splash screen. I tried holding both and that didn't work either. Anything else I can try? I hope i'm not screwed?
If I put the battery in, boot it up, then push the camera and insert the stylus into the reset hole, it gets to the tricolor screen, then for about 0.5sec it flashes the white screen with a message saying "No image File." I know for sure the .nbh file is there.
I have experienced this before, when I tried to use an SD card that was formatted FAT, when formatting you must make sure it is formatted FAT32, the bootloader cannot read FAT formatted SD cards, even if Winmo and Android can.
I format using a card reader, and in windows it is sometimes easy to overlook the file system type, most SD cards are usually formatted FAT when they are new, and you must change the formatting, or it will just format FAT again.
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I have experienced this before, when I tried to use an SD card that was formatted FAT, when formatting you must make sure it is formatted FAT32, the bootloader cannot read FAT formatted SD cards, even if Winmo and Android can.
I format using a card reader, and in windows it is sometimes easy to overlook the file system type, most SD cards are usually formatted FAT when they are new, and you must change the formatting, or it will just format FAT again.
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Unfortunately, as much as I wish it was, it is not the problem. I'm on a Mac, but booted windows 7 to be make sure it was formatted to FAT 32, which it was. Is there some way I can fix permissions? Every time it runs, I keep getting the error saying that it is in read only mode. I obviously need to get it into writing mode. I don't think the fix permissions option on the installer did anything either.
The eclair build still will not install on my phone. I changed to an earlier .nbh file and now don't need the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get out of the splash screen and into the installer. When I run the install command for NAND, it says it can't mount, "no such file exists", "failed to extract." Keep in mind I haven't even gotten Android installed to NAND, just the installer itself. I can't even go back to WinMo either. It also seems like a permissions error since I believe it said the SD card is read only, but when plugged into my computer I fixed that and now it is read-write, but not on the phone. Please help because I really want to either get this working, or get back to WinMo instead of have this useless phone I currently have. Thanks.
Is there a way to enter the command line from the installer screen?
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The eclair build still will not install on my phone. I changed to an earlier .nbh file and now don't need the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get out of the splash screen and into the installer. When I run the install command for NAND, it says it can't mount, "no such file exists", "failed to extract." Keep in mind I haven't even gotten Android installed to NAND, just the installer itself. I can't even go back to WinMo either. It also seems like a permissions error since I believe it said the SD card is read only, but when plugged into my computer I fixed that and now it is read-write, but not on the phone. Please help because I really want to either get this working, or get back to WinMo instead of have this useless phone I currently have. Thanks.
Is there a way to enter the command line from the installer screen?
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Alright, I'll try and sum up your experiences. Tell us if we're missing anything;
You have the following symptoms
Linux Android-installer works
Tri-color bootloader semi-works
You cannot use the USB
You cannot install polymod's Eclair build
Now, you have mentioned a couple of things you have tried, such as
Replacing the Linux NBH with another version
Fixing permissions on the SD-card
Fixing permissions through the Android-installer
Flashing a WinMO ROM through SD card
You did mention getting other behaviours when you switched to another NBH, such as "KAISDIAG.nbh" not being required.
Now, this is a long shot coming from me, as I have had no troubles with flashing, and the fact that I can use my USB, but since your phone is pretty messed up I guess it can't hurt as a suggestion;
You can flash to other NBH's I take it, as you mentioned you did a downgrade. What I'm a bit curious about is whether you did try to flash to a WinMO rom when you had downgraded to your current NBH.
Also, you said the previous NBH required you to have "KAISDIAG.nbh" on the card to even get working. Did you try and rename a WinMO-ROM's NBH to "KAISDIAG.nbh" and flash that? Might be that the flasher is really constrictive with the file names.
EDIT: Oh, and what about trying to run other Eclair builds? Just to see if you can nail it down to this being a problem of the builds or something more bound to the actual hardware/SPL/NBH's.
Hi I am using hardspl 3.34
I decided to put android on my kaiser as I love it on my desire..
I flashed the latest android kernel from kallt_kaffe, when booted error messages came up about not being able to mount various locations..and a final one "unable to open persistent property directory"
I tried pressing the D pad to load an Android nbh from and boot and nothing.
I have since tried to reflash both winmo and android kernel images from the sd card and through USB but nothing flashes.
If I try with the sd card, naming the image KAISimg.nbh all I get is a white screen with loading on it..nothing more.
when I try via usb it gets as far as trying to flash the rom, then comes up with a communication errror.
anyone any ideas what has happened and how to fix it.
Regards
Robbie
You've downloaded and flashed the kernel (which allows you to run Android), but have you downloaded an Android build yet?
It sounds like you're missing the androidinstall.tar file in the andboot folder of your SD card.
Find a build in this forum, download the build (should be about 80/90mb or so when zipped) and then place the file in /andboot/
If you've already done this, apologies if that was patronising in any way!
The Kaiser is somewhat picky when it comes to SD cards, it may not read KAISIMG.nbh even if everything is fine. My 1GB Kingston card, for example, is useless when it comes to flashing this way, I had to buy a new 4GB card so I could sort out a rather useless Android build.
Thanks NatAvery
I have the andboot folder with the tar file in, but as I get errors from the android kernel i think that is why it doesn't read it.
My main concern is my inability to flash anything..I have tried a different sd card as you suggested and I still have the same problem, it comes up as loading the KAISimg.nbh but goes no further.
Robbie
Hi Vampires,
Did your issue resolve?.........since even i have a similar issue. I flashed HardSPL first & then flashed a rom from then whenever i switch on the phone it comes to this screen as if loading and is stuck with the error you mentioned ' unable to open persistent property directory'
And this happen to me just like it happen to me .......in the pursuit of having android on the phone.
I'm not able to flash any other rom's just stuck on this screen.
I have the same problem. I also use hardspl 3.34
I flashed the kernel installed the built, bu i didn´t pick the right display setting..
everytime I try to reflash it only says loading.. (left it for about 2 hours)
any ideas?
still looking for a solution, please anyone with usefull info help ..
i had similar problems before, my system is:
HTC tytn ii (kaiser 130)
Hard SPL 3.34, radio 1.70.19.09
DZO's kernel and froyo 15-07 (latest thas it), NAND flashed
4gb SD card
(109mb internal phone memory after 1st boot)
Haret Install (SD card, run side by side with WinMo)
- dload kallt_kaffe froyo, extract and put andboot in SD card, root, not subfolder
- rename default-kaiser.txt into default.txt
- edit default.txt change panel-type into 2 (panel 1 got some issue with res)
- run haret.exe
- don't press d-pad (center) just yet, wait until message 'press d-pad/volume to ..' then immediately press and hold d-pad until you're in install menu.
- select install, ok
- next, select fix permission (optional, but it fix some prob)
- select quit
- let it boot, no need to press d-pad anymore.
- you may get "unable to open persistent property directory", but no worries, restart phone, run haret again, if still the same, reinstall, sometimes twice install should fix it. (don't ask me why)
NAND flash
- dload DZO's kernel and OS build file.
- use Loser's NBH editor to change panel type to 2, and keyboard type. it will then save as KAISIMG.nbh
- put KAISIMG.nbh into SD card, root.
- make folder andboot inside SD card at root, and copy dzo's android build, rename it to androidinstall.tgz (tar/tgz)
- press and hold power btn + camera btn, reset with stylus
- press power again to flash kernel, then reset after complete
- now it will try to boot android, immediately press d-pad when you see 'press d-pad/volume..' and install (sys on NAND, data on NAND), next step same as haret above.
- you're now officially android.
note: additionally you can also try 'sys on NAND' + 'data on SD Card', --> use this EXT2 partitionto partition your sd card
side note:>
zImage = is the haret version of the KAISIMG.nbh file, it's the kernel.
androidinstall.tar/tgz = the android OS files
hope this helps.
Attn: if you're experiencing battery stucked at 15% or something, go into boot menu (d-pad), backup data, flash winmo rom, charge to 100%, then reflash+reinstall android, restore data. that should fix it.
I am currently having problems booting the haret file for XDandriod 2.2, i have checked and read with other forums looking for answer but nothing stood out.
When i fist downloaded Froyo 2.2 Blazn for my Tilt 2 it worked fine, even saved contacts and marketplace worked. But when I soft reset went back into windows and try to run it i got an error" cannot open script file \sd card\default.txt" I know there had been a lot of reports of this but nothing fit the description so I did a clean install to see the changes, worked fine the first time but then wouldn't boot up again after the first or second soft reset. I'm not sure what to do at this point, i don't want to have to soft reset every time i want to use my XDandriod interface.
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I am currently having problems booting the haret file for XDandriod 2.2, i have checked and read with other forums looking for answer but nothing stood out.
When i fist downloaded Froyo 2.2 Blazn for my Tilt 2 it worked fine, even saved contacts and marketplace worked. But when I soft reset went back into windows and try to run it i got an error" cannot open script file \sd card\default.txt" I know there had been a lot of reports of this but nothing fit the description so I did a clean install to see the changes, worked fine the first time but then wouldn't boot up again after the first or second soft reset. I'm not sure what to do at this point, i don't want to have to soft reset every time i want to use my XDandriod interface.
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The ONLY reason this happens is you don't have a valid startup.txt where you run haret.exe from. It can't be named startup.txt~ or anything like that. Not sure how you booted in the first place if you didn't have a proper startup...
Hmm, i renamed the file and when i got o Haret and click run nothing happens and since im using XDandroid i used the shortcut and it fails and says could not find startup.txt My startup folder is currently 0 bytes could something could of wipped the contents of it on the first startup?
This has been a reoccurring issue with the latest 2.2 build. My personal fix thus far has been to copy the startup.txt file to the root folder of my phone, then after each restart copied it back to the andboot folder.
Hi, i have been looking to upgrade htc desire 2.2, but i have not found anything here. As i am on t mobile i think its different upgrade i should be looking
so please help me to find the link to upgrade to 2.2 also is there any way i can use my sd card for my applications installation
thanks to all
What version you on at present (as in software version, e.g. 2.29.405.2)?
Thank you for your reply
my software number is 1.15.110.11
thanks
Wow, old software...
Right, first thing is download this file:
http://www.filefront.com/16813093/O...10.4-1.15.110.11-release0grz58nlwns0d5mw.zip/
Once downloaded, rename the file update.zip (not update.zip.zip) and copy it to the root of your SD card. Once done turn the phone off. Now, whilst holding volume down, turn it back on - if done correctly it will bring you to a white screen with some options. Once you can use the volume buttons to move to Recovery and press power to select. Once you're loaded to the black screen with the ! hold volume up and press power. Now, on the blue menu select 'apply sd:update.zip' and follow the instructions. This will update you to 1.21.110.4
Once done and rebooted go to Settings>About phone>System software updates>Check now and it should offer you 2.12.110.4 - allow it to update and you're now on Android 2.2
THANK YOU EddyOS,
I HAVE COMPLETED UPTO THE BLUE SCREEN BUT EVERY TIME I RUN UPDATE.ZIP IT ENDS UP INSTALLATION ABORTED. ANY IDEA PLEASE
What did you name the file you downloaded? it HAS to be update.zip (or just update as you won't see the .zip in Windows)
i did rename the file update.zip, should i clean up my memory before try this again ? because i have no internal memory left.
Possibly, you do need at least 25MB free I think. You could just boot into Android and check for system updates as that update should be available to you I just thought it'd be easier to do it using the file directly
i am going to check my internal memory , btw how can i update on second option (boot in to android)
thanks
i checked , i have 39 mb of internal memory , but still aborting
message coming up ''signature verification failed''
So if you check in Android for updates do you get anything?
The other way to update to 1.21.110.4, but will involve losing all data, is to download this and flash it through Windows:
http://shipped-roms.com/download.ph...00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_127570_signed.exe
To use it, connect the phone to the PC and select 'HTC Sync' from the menu on the phone. Make sure HTC Sync is installed and showing connected on the PC and then run the RUU file
when i restared it last time , i get the message to update using wifi , i am doing it now will let you know the results
We have done it ......now its showing
android version 2.2
software number is 2.12.110.2
is there anything else i can do ?
Like install all the apps in to my sd card.
And do i need rooting ? What are the advantages ?
Thank you
Hmmm, that was the old T-Mobile update - check for updates one last time as there is now 2.12.110.4
You can now only install apps to the SD is allowed/enabled by the developer, e.g. Angry Birds installs to the SD by default.
You don NEED to root unless you wanna install tons of apps as you'd need A2SD+ which moves ALL apps to the SD card. Read up on all the sticky threads in the forums and go from there but first of all just enjoy FroYo
THANK YOU EddyOS,
I HAVE UPDATED TO 2.12.110.4, ITS MUCH FASTER THEN PREVIOUS ONE.
ONE LAST QUESTION, IF I GO FOR ROOTING MY DEVICE , WILL I LOOSE DEFAULT HTC INTERFACE, I.E WEATHER WITH CLOCK ETC ?
THANKS
If you decide to go for a non-Sense ROM then yes. Just go read up on it all but if you don't know what rooting is then don't do it until you do...just use the phone and see how you get on
THANK YOU......
Hey,
I got the scoot cyanogenmod RLS 4c and after few reboots,when I boot my device,its says google frame work is not responding.I cant tap wait and when i force close google frame work,all of the basic apps force close itself.
Sometimes it even says "system is not responding".
I also tried Incubus26Jc's Super FroYo 2.2 [RLS15] and it says the same.
Any help?
That is data corruption. What kernel are you using and how is it installed.
Ive got 2.6.32
Ive got kernel DZO 2.6.32.I installed it via hard spl.
Thats why. Upgrade to the latest l1qu1d kernel in the thread stickied at the top. Also edit the kernel with atools to match your phone.
I got the new NBH.
I used the guide from l1q1d atools thread.
I tried using the ruu tools but it says the file is bad.
How to I install it?
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I got the new NBH.
I used the guide from l1q1d atools thread.
I tried using the ruu tools but it says the file is bad.
How to I install it?
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hey uri, use one of the builds and kernels im using in my signature they're working flawlessly on my Att Tilt, click on the word atools for a guide made by l1qu1d, its very detailed and easy to follow. Donut rls is the most stable one but its a little outdated cause my good friend warbyte has been a little busy right now, Scoot's froyo is the latest of the latest, but im still trying it, for the moment its workin nice and smooth like a delicious yogen früz cup (sorry bout the publicity moderators LOL)
How can I put the NBH in the root?
When I connect the phone to the computer using android,it doesnt work.
I tried to put the NBH on my SD but no file manager let me copy and paste.
It says i have no permission.
When the NBH will be copied,how do I install it?
Uri1234 said:
How can I put the NBH in the root?
I tried to put the NBH on my SD but no file manager let me copy and paste.
It says i have no permission.
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You have to use a SD card reader and copy it trough windows to the main directory of the SD (dont copy it to any folder) be shure its formated FAT32 and that the readonly switch isnt at the lock position. (the little switch at the side of any microSD to SD adapter)
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When the NBH will be copied,how do I install it?
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make sure you have HardSPL...
power off the phone, take out the stylus, with the stylus press the reboot button as you keep pressed the camera and power button, all at the same time! you will see a tri color screeen, then something like "kaisimg.nbh press the power button to start updating" so be obedient and press it!