it is possible to run win ce / WM on desire?
No
Not that I'm aware of. You can't run Win Mob full stop.
Is it possible to dual boot with 2 different Custom MODS?? Like OpenDesire and Pays Rom for instance... Or a custom ROM and the official one that came with the phone..
hk5354 said:
it is possible to run win ce / WM on desire?
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This would be brilliant , they have android on the hd2, why can't we have winmo on the desire
+1 for a winmo 6,5 port
Would be great if you could multiboot, like with different sd cards.
But why would anyone want WinMo on the HTC Desire... Android for the win!
this is xda, this place has always been powered by "Because we can!", so don't ask such questions
Who in their right mind is going to put time and effort into porting a what is basically dead OS to the Desire ? Even Microsoft aren't bothering with WM anymore
Doesn't have to be 6.5...
But some WP7 features seem quite neat though.
I second this request! (if it is a request)
It's not possible since wm is not open source like android
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back to the dual boot point, we can boot from a sd card so it is possible to dual boot 2 diff android roms
htc fan89 said:
It's not possible since wm is not open source like android
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You are right on that. But Microsoft provides bootroms to test their emulator. Using this rom for dualbooting would be legit I guess..?
Puenos said:
You are right on that. But Microsoft provides bootroms to test their emulator. Using this rom for dualbooting would be legit I guess..?
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I think you miss the point - whilst there is a legal aspect here, I think the main point is not the license associated with open source, but the source code itself.
As Android is open source, it can be compiled to different targets, and deep changes can be made to the source code to get everything working.
As WinMo is not open source, you do not have this luxury, and so the porting exercise would be much, much harder.
Regards,
Dave
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I think you miss the point - whilst there is a legal aspect here, I think the main point is not the license associated with open source, but the source code itself.
As Android is open source, it can be compiled to different targets, and deep changes can be made to the source code to get everything working.
As WinMo is not open source, you do not have this luxury, and so the porting exercise would be much, much harder.
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Dave
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Well.. I didn't look at this closely enough.. but Microsoft also provides an emulator for testing their roms.. using this "microsoft device emulator"s sources would make it a bit easier I guess? Well.. you can click on "license" on the following link.. but I just get a "page not found".. so I don't know any details.. but here is the link I found:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...ED-6C95B261DDCD&displaylang=en&displaylang=en
I'm not a dev.. just did a bit research on this one and found their offical emulator.. besides that, there are also a few emulators for the WinMo environment.. some even written in Java I believe..
Again I don't know if they used some code from MS, or just wrote everything from scratch.. I don't really have enough knowledge here.. but I thought maybe I could share my thoughts and get some answers.. and maybe the information I found was a bit helpful?
Thanks anyway
Hy
At first im sorry for my bad englisch.
Back to multi boot of desire.
How we can implementing boot from sd-card and back.
How can i boot from sd-card?
What is with data.img, is it nessesary to build an other image or can i use the stock-rom to boot it from sd-card ( i think its unpossibele) ?
Is it right we need to patch hboot ?
is it possibel to load an other bootloader? (grub or somthing else)
I know many questions, but im faszinated of the idea "dual boot on my desire"
Greatings
meinbier
This would be a nice, becouse there is some apps that newer will be on android, and there is people that need this apps.
Dont tell me buy win mobile phone, becouse I get droid from my company. I m not programer, so I cant help on that way. I can only tell that i will donate some money to someone who make native winmobile app install / run on android via emulation or custom rom for desire.
Tnx for your time and i support this thread.
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im really interested in this as well ,i have just got a htc desire hd and would love to run both wp7 and android ,wp7 for xbox live is this any new info on this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UE-LVuudEk&feature=player_embedded
So its possible on the DHD!
Maybe on the old Desire too.
AFAIK the Desire's internal memory is not large enough for dual boot... I mean some ROMs have trouble fitting on the partitions now so what do you think would happen with 2 ROMs lol.. you'd have no space for apps... and if you did somehow manage to run a ROM from your SDCARD like you can with legendary devices like the touch pro where you run haret.exe from the phone which boots android - it would be very slow and impractical. So I doubt we will ever see this happen.
EDIT: Guess I was wrong! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1182325
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Android is a new open source mobile operating system that Google developed and an SDK has just been made available.
It would be great to see this ported to the Universal if its possible.
I don't see why it would not run since the Universal can already run Linux (to some extent) and Android is just based on that. Whether and to what extent the hardware can be supported is another question that only our programmers can answer. As we can surely count HTC out on supporting their legacy devices it might not be worth anybodies time in the end.
SDK for Android would not help at all. It is just a set of headers and import libraries. To port something to a device you need complete source codes of its kernel, software, etc. Even more - we don't know hardware requirements for Android. It may require the NOR flash to run from it - and we don't have it on our device at all.
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Even more - we don't know hardware requirements for Android. It may require the NOR flash to run from it - and we don't have it on our device at all.
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Nobody uses NOR these days, it's too expensive and provides no real
benefit over NAND. The XIP days are over.
I hate java with passion, but i don't see any reason why Android software
will not be running on the universal.
Any news? I mean: can Universal run an Android ROM?
I saw something on tytnII, is there an hope?
can anyone confirm if android requires a customised hardware or minimum requirements....
By The Looks Of It I Shouldnt See Why Not...
I Saw That Video Of It On The Tytn And It Looks Like Its Just A Linux Based Kernel Booting Though Haret.
Theirs Already Some Pretty Good Progress With Linux On The UNI And I Dont See Why It Shouldnt Be Possible To Patch This Up. (Wish I Could But Im Not A Linux Coder )
maybe something like this
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could be done for univ.
Getting A Replacement
I Get My Replacement XDA Exec On Monday Hopefully So Ill See If I Can Do Anything. No Promises Though
Regards,
OllieD
It looks promising but I am also awaiting the Ubuntu Mobile edition for PCC: it looks awesome!
if it has to run java bytecode
hi a .CAB solution should be possible. tis my prefered choice at present. KVM with class jar anyone??
any news ?
Kaiser can run Android, any ROM for Uni?
In this thread we have Android ported in to a Kaiser, hope someone is working on an Android ROM for UNI!!
It looks very nice the interface
Does anyone knows more info about this?
Thanks
Gracias
Any news on Android for Uni?
I've been trying to get it to work on my ELFin too, but i gave up when i only managed to get the Linwizard running without startx... (i dont know how to telnet and startx -.-)
Any news on this?
I'm thinking of getting a universal but i'm gathering info on it atm!
Has anyone been able to get some real progress on this matter?
I installed this onto my main memory, but when I run it I get a blank screen and the phone vibrates continuously, what am I doing wrong? I think this version is supposed to work on the Universal.
hye !
i also tried to install android on my universal, but it didn't work at all, i only had a black sreen and it vibrate without stopping. if someone has an idea, or a new thread were we can find out a running android os for uni... i take it !
Very keen on this
Is there a project? .. I'm a developer and would be willing to assist, but i haven't got enough experience with these devices to start the project off myself...
Count me in as a beta tester
It would be great to have Android on Uni!!
So this news means that very soon developers can start working on android to be ported on other devices!!!
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/
This thread discusses Linux for HTC Diamond and HTC Raphael
User resources
To get started with android real quick use this site http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RaphaelDonut
Further information on progress with Linux and Android and help can be found at the Raphael Linux wiki page.
Developer resources
The wiki of the htc-linux.org project has all the required uptodate research information http://www.htc-linux.org/wiki
If you want to contribute in the kernel porting project, please use this wiki.
The latest kernel code for Raphael, Diamond (and the other msm7xxxA devices) can be found in the htc-msm-2.6.27 branch of the linuxtogo.org git repository.
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Hi,
Would be nice if somebody could try and test if the kaiser linux kernel boots on their diamond. Here's what you need
http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/
It has a small documentation but here's what you need to do again:
Get haret.exe, default.txt, zImage and angstrom-console on your diamond into the same folder, run haret.exe and tap run.
edit: the link above points to a website with kernel builds for the kaiser (msm7200). since diamond has msm7201A, it would be better to build directly from the android-msm-2.6.25 branch which has the halibut machine type. halibut is also an msm7x00A. there are some differences between the A and non-A msms.
google git is at
git.android.com
checkout the branch android-msm-2.6.25 ( it's most uptodate)
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I have in fact been researching this since yesterday. The vanilla Android is for 7x00A devices, and should work on Diamond without too much fuss. I'm not a Linux developer though, so I'll need some help with that part. (though I am a developer)
The Kaiser boot kit does not work. Once it's done loading the device freezes entirely. Kaiser uses 7200 though, not 7201A, and for all I know it might actually be (partly somewhat) running, but with no frame buffer.
agreed with the freezing part.
From Haret:
WinCE reports memory size 134217728 (phys=118571008 store=115261440)
Where did the rest 64 MByte go?
Ok who's seriously interested in getting this to work?
Whats the progress so far? Lets try to get something packaged and up for diamond.
me
I am definately going to spend some time trying to gets this to work when I get my Diamond.
teddyen66 said:
I am definately going to spend some time trying to gets this to work when I get my Diamond.
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I haven't been able to compile the kernel, but it sounds like you'll be able to. Give it a shot and I'll test it.
I'll test it too.
k, can you also try the vogue builds? http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=DiamondResearch
the shared memory looks similar to the on on kaiser. So it will probably be easy to make communication with the phone work as soon as it works on kaiser. Of course you need to be able to boot first
Hi guys,
I've been trying to get Android running on my Diamond for a few days to no avail.
I've tried the Kaiser set of files and Vogue set of files. The furthest I've got is to make it display the 'Go Go Go...' message and then it hangs.
Has anyone actually got Android to run on a Diamond before?
Thanks.
Vogue does not work, but might be because of HaRET, don't know.
7201A is different from 7200. I would not expect it to work. However, the vanilla kernel is for Diamond type chips, so if anyone could compile a vanilla kernel it's worth testing. HaRET might need a few modifications though.
Very interesting!
This Android thing, getting it to run, what would the expectations be? Functionality, speed?
Just very curious, having once installed some linux-thingy on my magician.
I don't have a Diamond to test on, but I suspect the dev team for the Advantage could be of help. The build they have is running ok on Advantage, the touchscreen driver even works. No phone yet (last I checked). Maybe it will also run on Diamond?
nopes advantage is a different platform
I believe it'll just be a matter of time before we get a fully functioning Android build for the HTC Diamond because I can foresee it to be a very popular platform for the Android.
If there's any modifications to the default.txt boot file that would potentially make this work I'll be happy to try it out and let you guys know the results.
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I believe it'll just be a matter of time before we get a fully functioning Android build for the HTC Diamond because I can foresee it to be a very popular platform for the Android.
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I hope that too . I can not wait to run Android on my Diamond.
I guess it'd be a matter of setting up a cross compile (toolchains - chroot, binutils, gcc, glibc) environment for the ARM, compiling the kernel with the correct drivers and bootstrapping for the ARM.
Am I right? Or did I miss something?
Would this link be of any help ?
http://nemustech.blogspot.com/2007/12/android-porting-to-real-target-hw.html
I would like to get involved if someone is already working on it
Darn that's running smooth ...
... hope we can get some linux running on this hardware.
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I guess it'd be a matter of setting up a cross compile (toolchains - chroot, binutils, gcc, glibc) environment for the ARM, compiling the kernel with the correct drivers and bootstrapping for the ARM.
Am I right? Or did I miss something?
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Well, kinda. Where do you intend to get "correct drivers" for Diamond
Its not that easy, since HTC doesnt provide 'em
Just for your info:
I got in contact with Myn for porting his Warm Eclair on Diamond + compatible devices. We want to bring this up on our Diamonds as he also has a Diamond device. So far I get Warm Eclair running til boot animation and then it stucks and reloops. His Donut build is a very fast and stable one and he cooks very good roms for the Vogue / Kaiser devices. So stay tuned, I will inform you when this gets updates.
I'll be watching this closely. I've used Myn's Warm Donut on my Vogue and was extremely pleased with it.
ByteWrencher
vatoloco said:
Just for your info:
I got in contact with Myn for porting his Warm Eclair on Diamond + compatible devices. We want to bring this up on our Diamonds as he also has a Diamond device. So far I get Warm Eclair running til boot animation and then it stucks and reloops. His Donut build is a very fast and stable one and he cooks very good roms for the Vogue / Kaiser devices. So stay tuned, I will inform you when this gets updates.
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so if you can port it, will you also release a flashable rom?
actually isn't possible to flash an android rom..the main problem(i think)is that we can't make linux bootable without using haret
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actually isn't possible to flash an android rom..the main problem(i think)is that we can't make linux bootable without using haret
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but what about htc vogue or kaiser?
there it is possible to flash an android rom. What are the differences between these 2 devices and our diamond? If the differences aren´t too big (but I think they are) it shouldnt be so hard to make a Rom.
who said its impoassible guyz NAND=Porting i guess correct me if i am wrong experts..the only reason its still not NAND on diamond is there are still some loopholes but i think definitely the experts are working at it and crack will crack it soon
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but what about htc vogue or kaiser?
there it is possible to flash an android rom. What are the differences between these 2 devices and our diamond? If the differences aren´t too big (but I think they are) it shouldnt be so hard to make a Rom.
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to make a nand flash possible, xdandroid must be able to initialize ALL the (important) hardware on ALL the phones, becuase winmo won't be there to do it for us. I don't think we have that yet. then someone'll have to port dzo's bootloader, or write one, get a working nbh, etc... I'm sure people are hard at work on it, but there's probably some other things still pending that are more important.
vogue NEEDED nand to compensate for lack of memory. getting data on nand was huge for us. but the xdandroid devices don't have the resource constraints that vogue has... even running an unoptimized build from sqsh with minimal hardware support, my vzw tp runs as fast or faster than my vogue.
all that to say: all things will come in time.
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to make a nand flash possible, xdandroid must be able to initialize ALL the (important) hardware on ALL the phones, becuase winmo won't be there to do it for us. I don't think we have that yet. then someone'll have to port dzo's bootloader, or write one, get a working nbh, etc... I'm sure people are hard at work on it, but there's probably some other things still pending that are more important.
vogue NEEDED nand to compensate for lack of memory. getting data on nand was huge for us. but the xdandroid devices don't have the resource constraints that vogue has... even running an unoptimized build from sqsh with minimal hardware support, my vzw tp runs as fast or faster than my vogue.
all that to say: all things will come in time.
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thx for your explanation.
i think its now better with the haret bootloader, cos you can update rootfs or zimages easily. A flashable rom would only be useful if everything works. so youre definitely right
Just a quick update for you:
I've sent out the Warm Eclair package to Myn. He will look into the thins and hopefully get the relooping boot animation working.
anyone help me how to make partition onwindow xp in my internal storage???
i cant understand from that android site...
anyone help me how to make partition onwindow xp in my internal storage???
i cant understand from that android site...
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What don't you understand? It's stated several times in several threads and also on my website that you will need Linux for partitioning. So Windows won't work! You may use a LiveCD, though I recommend you to install Virtualbox and Ubuntu on your windows machine.
vatoloco said:
What don't you understand? It's stated several times in several threads and also on my website that you will need Linux for partitioning. So Windows won't work! You may use a LiveCD, though I recommend you to install Virtualbox and Ubuntu on your windows machine.
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oh thanx for that...
but i am tierd of downloading..
so plz bear me...
thanx a lot i will try today..
Please let's keep this thread clean. It is intended for Porting Myn's Warm Eclair to our Diamonds (first post)
Will it be possible to make any true standalone Android ROM without using windows?
And for what device are this settings "RAPH800"?
Currently, no, but there is workaround - a light ROM with dualboot or directly HaRET in autorun.
Neopeek is working on it at the moment. It will come in the next few weeks. Be patient!
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Neopeek is working on it at the moment. It will come in the next few weeks. Be patient!
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could you please give more info or a link
In the next days i will look into dzo's script and adopt our kernel + ramadresses to get a full working nbh so that i can flash it onto my device. Hope everything goes well. This will take some serious concentration. This is what I am going to do:
Compile the kernel from scratch
Strip-out nb.os + nb.payload.os from vogue / kaiser / polaris to see what's going on
Recompile a new test-nbh to NAND-FLASH it as bootloader for Android
And last but not least: Adopt NoMoRootFS
I hope I and my device won't get stuck with this (I only have 1 device to test). If you wanna share your thoughts or contribute this then just answer to this discussion and share your ideas. I will keep you updated on this and in my free time I will also try to update the various Android builds. But I can't promise you to do so.
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-neopeek
http://www.neopeek.com/en/community...67-Flashing+Android+on+our+devices?groupid=13 (mods please remove if this violates any rule of xda..)
Keep in mind that currently us TP user's DON'T have working camera (working on), and faster power drain (working on.) so if you end up using this rom (when it's done and released in time) you will have a phone that drain's faster then WM (meter usage is PRETTY accurate though itself.), and no camera anymore (until they finish adding support, and THEN add to this guy's kernal for the said ROM.), just so you know this
Currently, dual booting works just fine, and haven't experienced any negative's to date since using it this way. Hope that helps.
Ok. Tnx for the answers.
But can someone explain to me why it is so difficult to make working ROM for TP when the HTC Hero have the same hardware and powered up with Android? I am confused about that.
For what phone are startup settings (RAPH800)?
How much it will be faster with ROM flashed in nand memory than one run by heret in WM?
Tnx
mikx said:
Ok. Tnx for the answers.
But can someone explain to me why it is so difficult to make working ROM for TP when the HTC Hero have the same hardware and powered up with Android? I am confused about that.
For what phone are startup settings (RAPH800)?
How much it will be faster with ROM flashed in nand memory than one run by heret in WM?
Tnx
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Uhm the Hero comes with Android 'from the factory' - it's a native Android device. Just like WinMo is native to our devices...
The brilliant devs are literally trying to reverse engineer drivers so Linux/Android can run on our WinMo phones.
I forgot to answer your other questions... NAND should give some performance boost, but I don't know how much. Probably not much, it didn't do much for the RHOD - albeit a little.
Phone startup settings, you should have a STARTUPS folder and it should have the RAPH800 startup in there...
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Cant wait for nand support , i loved it on my Kaiser
Theoretical question: Will installation to NAND and starting directly from bootloader affect performance positively?
Corias said:
Theoretical question: Will installation to NAND and starting directly from bootloader affect performance positively?
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In theory yes, but so far the benefits have been minor, if any. Of course the NAND that is functional for the TP2 isn't technically a full NAND, so it's probably not the best example to use.
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Uhm the Hero comes with Android 'from the factory' - it's a native Android device. Just like WinMo is native to our devices...
The brilliant devs are literally trying to reverse engineer drivers so Linux/Android can run on our WinMo phones.
I forgot to answer your other questions... NAND should give some performance boost, but I don't know how much. Probably not much, it didn't do much for the RHOD - albeit a little.
Phone startup settings, you should have a STARTUPS folder and it should have the RAPH800 startup in there...
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Tnx for the answer. I know that I have RAPH800, but it can't work on my TP, only settings that work are RAPH, and I was wondering for what phone are these RAPH800 settings??
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Tnx for the answer. I know that I have RAPH800, but it can't work on my TP, only settings that work are RAPH, and I was wondering for what phone are these RAPH800 settings??
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I'm not sure how to answer your question. Babijoee's builds have a STARTUPS folder, do you not have this?
Isn't it possible with the Desire HD's specs to make a Windows 7 port? It's more than capable. But I've heard of issues with drivers but it was still ported to HD2? And before anyone asks why would I make my phone "worse" or whatever, I'd like to give it a go, it looks really nice
Also before anyone asks why don't I buy/why didn't I buy a Windows Phone, I'm 14, my parents wouldn't be too keen on buying me another phone.
EDIT: In the poll it should actually say: "Windows Phone 7 SHOULD be ported to the Desire HD, and you want it to happen."
Id love to see this happen. It's not impossible to achieve, but is very very complex, especially regarding drivers etc. I don't think we will see this any time soon.
lewispb said:
Id love to see this happen. It's not impossible to achieve, but is very very complex, especially regarding drivers etc. I don't think we will see this any time soon.
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How long did it take to port to the HD2?
I'd also love to see it happen. Maybe WP7 is worse than Android, but we can't be sure without us trying it out first. Also take in consideration that WP7 has been just released, maybe it's been out in the US for a longer time. But here in the Netherlands it doesn't even have a Dutch version nor a Market released.
Anyway, it's hard indeed, but not impossible. Especially not considering that the DHD is cracked open to the bone. I'm not expert but that would mean that it is possible in theory that the pro's can make it if they want.
I'm up for trying it, I love the style of WP7. Maybe not everything is as good as Android, but the same can be said for iOS vs Android. Everything has it's charms, WP7 has a great interface in my opinion. Android has a great mod-ability, making it possible for devs to make Android great, but the stock Android ain't nothing special. iOS has a great app-store, which makes it powerful, but other than that iOS has nothing special to offer us in comparisson to Android.
guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...
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guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...
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Couldn't you install a Windows based bootloader then?
kamranh3 said:
Couldn't you install a Windows based bootloader then?
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you could in theory yes, but what you propose is illegal (windows is closed source) and if all your after is the look and feel of WP7 try designing a theme and then i'm sure you could corrupt some systems files to reduce the stability of android
Hypothetically
I'm just wondering, - hypothetically of course - how would you go about changing the bootader to a windows based bootloader?
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I'm just wondering, - hypothetically of course - how would you go about changing the bootader to a windows based bootloader?
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I suspect, hypothetically or not, that there would be a lot of work involved in someone producing a windows Bootloader to flash instead of our normal android one, I don't see any devs putting in the work for free to allow installation of a pirated OS, you want WP7 buy a WP7 phone
AndroHero said:
guys its got nothing to do with drivers ffs.. we have a lunux based device with a lunux based bootloader and a linux fs on the nand.. the hd2 has a windows based bootloader and a nand chip with a windows file system.... windows only does fat and ntfs, our nand uses the linux based ext file system...
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wait so then how does the HD2 do it? cause it is/was running windows 6.5 and now it has got WP7 (pirated) or android or both dual booting.