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Android on Universal

Android is a new open source mobile operating system that Google developed and an SDK has just been made available.
It would be great to see this ported to the Universal if its possible.

I don't see why it would not run since the Universal can already run Linux (to some extent) and Android is just based on that. Whether and to what extent the hardware can be supported is another question that only our programmers can answer. As we can surely count HTC out on supporting their legacy devices it might not be worth anybodies time in the end.

SDK for Android would not help at all. It is just a set of headers and import libraries. To port something to a device you need complete source codes of its kernel, software, etc. Even more - we don't know hardware requirements for Android. It may require the NOR flash to run from it - and we don't have it on our device at all.

mamaich said:
Even more - we don't know hardware requirements for Android. It may require the NOR flash to run from it - and we don't have it on our device at all.
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Nobody uses NOR these days, it's too expensive and provides no real
benefit over NAND. The XIP days are over.
I hate java with passion, but i don't see any reason why Android software
will not be running on the universal.

Any news? I mean: can Universal run an Android ROM?
I saw something on tytnII, is there an hope?

can anyone confirm if android requires a customised hardware or minimum requirements....

By The Looks Of It I Shouldnt See Why Not...
I Saw That Video Of It On The Tytn And It Looks Like Its Just A Linux Based Kernel Booting Though Haret.
Theirs Already Some Pretty Good Progress With Linux On The UNI And I Dont See Why It Shouldnt Be Possible To Patch This Up. (Wish I Could But Im Not A Linux Coder )

maybe something like this
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could be done for univ.

Getting A Replacement
I Get My Replacement XDA Exec On Monday Hopefully So Ill See If I Can Do Anything. No Promises Though
Regards,
OllieD

It looks promising but I am also awaiting the Ubuntu Mobile edition for PCC: it looks awesome!

if it has to run java bytecode
hi a .CAB solution should be possible. tis my prefered choice at present. KVM with class jar anyone??

any news ?

Kaiser can run Android, any ROM for Uni?
In this thread we have Android ported in to a Kaiser, hope someone is working on an Android ROM for UNI!!
It looks very nice the interface
Does anyone knows more info about this?
Thanks
Gracias

Any news on Android for Uni?
I've been trying to get it to work on my ELFin too, but i gave up when i only managed to get the Linwizard running without startx... (i dont know how to telnet and startx -.-)

Any news on this?
I'm thinking of getting a universal but i'm gathering info on it atm!

Has anyone been able to get some real progress on this matter?

I installed this onto my main memory, but when I run it I get a blank screen and the phone vibrates continuously, what am I doing wrong? I think this version is supposed to work on the Universal.

hye !
i also tried to install android on my universal, but it didn't work at all, i only had a black sreen and it vibrate without stopping. if someone has an idea, or a new thread were we can find out a running android os for uni... i take it !

Very keen on this
Is there a project? .. I'm a developer and would be willing to assist, but i haven't got enough experience with these devices to start the project off myself...

Count me in as a beta tester
It would be great to have Android on Uni!!
So this news means that very soon developers can start working on android to be ported on other devices!!!
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/

android

hello,
their seems to be a few posts on this being ported to BA recently. ow ive got linux running on my BA fairly well (havent got round to setting up gprs etc yet though but thats a different matter) and id be willing to try and get a port of android working, if someone can extract the 3 img files in the android sdk as ive not managed to do that yet ? anyone want to try and help or am i talking of a lost cause

ok, ill post this incase anyone is watching. i made some progress getting andriod running but i keep getting seg fault tryingto run it, any1 who could provide insight let me know pelase

Unfortunately I can't help you but I'll be keeping a VERY close eye on this thread!
Good luck, I'm sure there are a whole load of people who'd buy you a beer if you succeed.
Steve

glad to see someones watching . ill have another play around over weekend see what i can come up with

it will be interesting to see how android works on BA keep up with the good work

Nice.
I like my BA and I don't wont to change it until an open linux mobile is avaible (an open Iphone could be great).
Maybe a sub-forum called "Blue angel linux" could help.
I'm bored or a problem with the actual BA linux is the acces to the wifi chipset?

And this seems noise. And I don't want to pay for having linux on my BA!
http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press/pr080114.html

aperles said:
I'm bored or a problem with the actual BA linux is the acces to the wifi chipset?
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Not the access, but a nice gui/setup.

remember linux is designed primarily for people who know what their doing. yes theirs guis now which help but you stil need command line to use linux properly. except on the iPhone and android from what ive seen

actually there was an earlier thread regarding android. and with 921+ adding 200+ views here, We bet there are people that are REALLY interested porting this.
hope we get it up and running.
anything for our BA.
even alternatives to WM6 are welcome.

well im not having a lot of look, it seems to be segfaulting pretty much constantly. think its down to the busybox shell though so im going to find a newer one and try that later, does anyone know what version of the arm feature set the BA uses. (because from reading http://benno.id.au/blog/2007/11/21/android-neo1973) android only seems to work on devices using ARMv5 featureset. whatever that means)
UPDATE: thats not a problem, the pxa263 in the BA is ARMv5TE so thats ok - gotta love wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XScale)
Further update: ok been reading up a bit more and im doing the risky thing of building my own kernel for android see if i can get round these damn segfaults

ok just thought id post up so people done think ive given up here . still havign issues compiling the linux kernel with the android addidtions. mainly because i ahvent got a proper linux machine at home (only virtual pc on this computer)...dont suppose anyone uses linux and has a decent knownledge of compiling kernels on here ??

DJ_Steve said:
ok just thought id post up so people done think ive given up here . still havign issues compiling the linux kernel with the android addidtions. mainly because i ahvent got a proper linux machine at home (only virtual pc on this computer)...dont suppose anyone uses linux and has a decent knownledge of compiling kernels on here ??
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I've compiled kernels under Linux before, but not for an embedded system like the angel's.
Where did you get the tarballs for everything? And what distro of Linux did you install?
Really, real machine vs virtual machine, in this case, shouldn't matter. It might, but shouldn't.

not so much the fact im using a virtual machine, its the fact im only on a 2mb connection so downloading linux cd images takes ages and since debian is the only distro ive seen which has arm crosscompile tools that work that means 2 dvds or 9+cd images. most of the tarballs ive had to rip direct from the android sdk emulator. i could host them somewhere if someone wants to try and help me out getting a kernel running - after that i think most of android should fall into place on its own, but getting openbinder support in the kernels proving difficult
EDIT/UPDATE: ok just tried installing the arm crosscompiliers on my development dedicated server and it seems to be compiling a kernel as i type (hopefully) so looks to be some progress happening here

Been following your thread with interest.
I should be getting a new PDA from work, so then I could take the risk of bricking my trusty and battered Blue Angel.
Any chance you could post some links to the various bits you are using? Not a step by step (unless you have the time) but the starting points so others can attempt to duplicate your efforts in parallel?
Good luck - I'm rooting for you!

ok, im just tarballing up the files on my webserver now, didnt have any success with kernel, looks like im going to have to take the blueangel drivers etc from the kernel posted on handhelds.org and manually merge the config files into the android kernel image to get it to compile. unless anyone can suggest a way to do that easily (windows or linux routine i dont mind)
the main sites ive used to help out ive listed below
http://benno.id.au/blog/ << somewhere on their theirs a link to the android root filesystem image. (http://benno.id.au/android/system.tar.gz and http://benno.id.au/android/data.tar.gz)
http://nemustech.blogspot.com/2007/12/android-porting-to-real-target-hw.html
http://euedge.com/blog/2007/12/06/google-android-runs-on-sharp-zaurus-sl-c760/
http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelKernel
the three above above links help even though their not scriptly related to android on blueangel
the rest of the files are in http://radiodmp.net/android-files/ - the 365mb file contains the 2 arm cross compilers and also both the newest blueangel linux kernel and the android kernel - as said above these need merging (android kernel needs to be the one that is the final kernel as its newer i believe
edit: ive just put the system and data tars linked above into the folder on my server also to save people time.
hope that helps
if anyone wants any help drop me a message and ill try and help out. will of course keep trying to sort it myself too

Any update on this?
Actively watching this thread and just wanted to know. I'd love to be able to play with Android.

good to see ppl interested. ive not had time to try and merge the kernels yet, hopefulyl might get chance this week

DJ_Steve said:
good to see ppl interested.
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Still watching, still interested!
Keep it up.
Steve

ok managed to hack together the two kernels, compiling it as i type - hopefully it'll workon my BA

Android OS Released

Not sure where to post this... but now that the Android OS source is realsed, what is needed to compile a native version for Hermes?
http://source.android.com/download

MrCeddy said:
Not sure where to post this... but now that the Android OS source is realsed, what is needed to compain a native version for Hermes?
http://source.android.com/download
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Already on kaiser, maybe can be ported:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782

Keep in mind this is the official OS which was released today.

Its been noted that its not that easy.
1) the CPU in the Hermes is a older ARM that doesn't support all the needed instructions.
2) We couldnt "port it", it would need to be recompiled for the Hermes's older ARM, and that would be HARD.
3) We would then need Storage/wifi/touchscreen/ect ect drivers, and someone would need to write them, theres not going to be a device with the same chipset as the Hermes to steal the drivers off, like there is for the Kaiser.
So, unless you know a lot about writing drivers/recomplieing linux, tisnt going to happen

veyka said:
Its been noted that its not that easy.
1) the CPU in the Hermes is a older ARM that doesn't support all the needed instructions.
2) We couldnt "port it", it would need to be recompiled for the Hermes's older ARM, and that would be HARD.
3) We would then need Storage/wifi/touchscreen/ect ect drivers, and someone would need to write them, theres not going to be a device with the same chipset as the Hermes to steal the drivers off, like there is for the Kaiser.
So, unless you know a lot about writing drivers/recomplieing linux, tisnt going to happen
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Thanks for your input!

So, are you planning to fiddle with the idea??

joshkoss said:
Already on kaiser, maybe can be ported:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782
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so somebody wrote the drivers for kaiser ??
Originally Posted by veyka
Its been noted that its not that easy.
1) the CPU in the Hermes is a older ARM that doesn't support all the needed instructions.
2) We couldnt "port it", it would need to be recompiled for the Hermes's older ARM, and that would be HARD.
3) We would then need Storage/wifi/touchscreen/ect ect drivers, and someone would need to write them, theres not going to be a device with the same chipset as the Hermes to steal the drivers off, like there is for the Kaiser.
So, unless you know a lot about writing drivers/recomplieing linux, tisnt going to happen
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if somebody did manage to get it working in kaiser, it can be done for hermes ?
don't we already have working linux ports for hermes? can't the drivers be pulled from there ?

[FYI][Myn's Warm Eclair][Porting Project]

Just for your info:
I got in contact with Myn for porting his Warm Eclair on Diamond + compatible devices. We want to bring this up on our Diamonds as he also has a Diamond device. So far I get Warm Eclair running til boot animation and then it stucks and reloops. His Donut build is a very fast and stable one and he cooks very good roms for the Vogue / Kaiser devices. So stay tuned, I will inform you when this gets updates.

I'll be watching this closely. I've used Myn's Warm Donut on my Vogue and was extremely pleased with it.
ByteWrencher

vatoloco said:
Just for your info:
I got in contact with Myn for porting his Warm Eclair on Diamond + compatible devices. We want to bring this up on our Diamonds as he also has a Diamond device. So far I get Warm Eclair running til boot animation and then it stucks and reloops. His Donut build is a very fast and stable one and he cooks very good roms for the Vogue / Kaiser devices. So stay tuned, I will inform you when this gets updates.
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so if you can port it, will you also release a flashable rom?

actually isn't possible to flash an android rom..the main problem(i think)is that we can't make linux bootable without using haret

HELICOPTER88 said:
actually isn't possible to flash an android rom..the main problem(i think)is that we can't make linux bootable without using haret
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but what about htc vogue or kaiser?
there it is possible to flash an android rom. What are the differences between these 2 devices and our diamond? If the differences aren´t too big (but I think they are) it shouldnt be so hard to make a Rom.

who said its impoassible guyz NAND=Porting i guess correct me if i am wrong experts..the only reason its still not NAND on diamond is there are still some loopholes but i think definitely the experts are working at it and crack will crack it soon

Dunnera said:
but what about htc vogue or kaiser?
there it is possible to flash an android rom. What are the differences between these 2 devices and our diamond? If the differences aren´t too big (but I think they are) it shouldnt be so hard to make a Rom.
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to make a nand flash possible, xdandroid must be able to initialize ALL the (important) hardware on ALL the phones, becuase winmo won't be there to do it for us. I don't think we have that yet. then someone'll have to port dzo's bootloader, or write one, get a working nbh, etc... I'm sure people are hard at work on it, but there's probably some other things still pending that are more important.
vogue NEEDED nand to compensate for lack of memory. getting data on nand was huge for us. but the xdandroid devices don't have the resource constraints that vogue has... even running an unoptimized build from sqsh with minimal hardware support, my vzw tp runs as fast or faster than my vogue.
all that to say: all things will come in time.

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to make a nand flash possible, xdandroid must be able to initialize ALL the (important) hardware on ALL the phones, becuase winmo won't be there to do it for us. I don't think we have that yet. then someone'll have to port dzo's bootloader, or write one, get a working nbh, etc... I'm sure people are hard at work on it, but there's probably some other things still pending that are more important.
vogue NEEDED nand to compensate for lack of memory. getting data on nand was huge for us. but the xdandroid devices don't have the resource constraints that vogue has... even running an unoptimized build from sqsh with minimal hardware support, my vzw tp runs as fast or faster than my vogue.
all that to say: all things will come in time.
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thx for your explanation.
i think its now better with the haret bootloader, cos you can update rootfs or zimages easily. A flashable rom would only be useful if everything works. so youre definitely right

Just a quick update for you:
I've sent out the Warm Eclair package to Myn. He will look into the thins and hopefully get the relooping boot animation working.

anyone help me how to make partition onwindow xp in my internal storage???
i cant understand from that android site...

anyone help me how to make partition onwindow xp in my internal storage???
i cant understand from that android site...
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What don't you understand? It's stated several times in several threads and also on my website that you will need Linux for partitioning. So Windows won't work! You may use a LiveCD, though I recommend you to install Virtualbox and Ubuntu on your windows machine.

vatoloco said:
What don't you understand? It's stated several times in several threads and also on my website that you will need Linux for partitioning. So Windows won't work! You may use a LiveCD, though I recommend you to install Virtualbox and Ubuntu on your windows machine.
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oh thanx for that...
but i am tierd of downloading..
so plz bear me...
thanx a lot i will try today..

Please let's keep this thread clean. It is intended for Porting Myn's Warm Eclair to our Diamonds (first post)

[Q] ReactOS ARM port on Rhodium?

Ok, so...
At first I found a ReactOS offical ARM port.
It is here(delete spaces, forum still prevents me from inserting any link): htt p:/ /ww w. rea cto s.or g/wik i/ARM_ Port
At second I don't understand it at all so if anyone are good in this type of thing, tell us is it possible to have it working UNDER HARET?
And finaly at third If yes, is it will be possible to run any applications excluding a orginals one?
And that's all
P.S. There is already a topic here(ht tp:/ /foru m.xd a-deve lopers.co m/sho wthre ad.php?t =791800 ) but it is quite old and not for our device.

Ew, why would you want React on your phone...?

i'd say ehm.. for the heck of it?
don't really think there is a point tho in rOS, both windows that comes natively and android have a massive userbase and for a 'full OS' there is already someone building linux version of Ubuntu.
beside that, the React OS makes use of 'windows' binaries (from what i read on their website.) which are in x86 format as far as i believe, running them on an ARM processor isn't likely to work.
if i'm incorrect please correct me

Not really, all the binaries were written by ReactOS Team and they are open source... So in practise we can compile it and have it running on ARM processor.
And why? Simply. If all the dll's and files can run exe files we should be able to run normal applications like firefox, flash, etc. Maybe not at maxiumum speed(because of alpha build of ReactOS) but still it can be quite useful.
I didn't managed to build it. As far as I read it is imposible beacause of compiler which doesn't compile it correctly, or at all.
If anyone have any ideas how to do it tell us...
P.S. The full source of ReactOS + additional appliactions included is avaible at ReactOS main page.

Well ReactOS to my knowledge doesn't run that well on x86 machines, so I doubt our tired old phones will run it very well...
Rhodbuntu isn't good enough...? I'd say that's your best hope - in theory it will run FF & flash...

ReactOS of course is not the faster system ever but it it a only(actualy) operation system that is in open source and have a fully rewritten binaries, etc.
And BTW you still can't have a flash and Java(SE) running on armel(rhodbuntu)

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ReactOS of course is not the faster system ever but it it a only(actualy) operation system that is in open source and have a fully rewritten binaries, etc.
And BTW you still can't have a flash and Java(SE) running on armel(rhodbuntu)
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Ah didn't realize. What makes you think it'll work on React? lol

Theres a possibility. But as I test the recent version out, there are problems with it, so I dont think its a good idea to port. There are issues from clicking to how things are displayed to windows sticking & not listening to me when I click close or minimize/maximize.