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So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
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techdude54 said:
Nandroid is more like creating an image backup of your operating system, it backs up both your rom and apps. Titanium just backups app, their data and if you choose system settings.
Swyped from my EVO running CyanogenMod 6.1 RC 1
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In what situation would i use titanium back up with a rooted evo?
Titanium backs up your app and data from your phone. I am rooted and I use it when I need it, when I want to re install apps when I switch roms.
Using my HTC Evo phone which I'm using Xda app to post
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So what is the different between a nandroid backup and a backup using titanium backup? What is being saved with either? I hear using titanium back up is a "full" backup. What is titanium backup used for if you are already rooted...wouldn't you already have a custom recovery like amon ra or cwm?
If I do a nandroid back up on stock 2.2 rooted, can i do the same back up while I'm on a custom ROM? Where is this "backup" being saved to? Can i have multiple backups for different ROMS?
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
evo4gfan said:
okay that makes sense. So whenever i flash a new rom, do I need to download titanium back (or MybackupPro) again on the new rom to get the data back? I can't locate the saved file from my sd card?
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honeyBfly said:
Think of Nandroid Backup as a system restore point you would create on your PC and if for some reason you installed something on your PC and it makes your PC unstable, you can do a system restore and go back to when your PC was acting perfectly. (So for your EVO...you create a nandroid...messed around with your phone and screw everything up...Power up into bootloader (or reboot into recovery)...go into recovery and restore your nandroid backup)
Titanium is for you to back everything to your SD card right before you decide to WIPE DATA, CACHE & DALVIK/CACHE to flash a NEW ROM. After you flash the NEW ROM...your phone will be like a new phone you just received out of box...you have to set everything up on it. So instead of spending hours, you swill only spend a few minutes doing everything. 1st and foremost, sign back into Google Market, download Titanium and tell it to restore all apps...data, etc. Not sure if Titanium backups home and system stuff, I use Mybackup Pro and it does...it has everything configured the way I originally had it on the previous ROM...all I do is set up all my POP mail accounts and sign back into Twitter...Facebook...etc.
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I use Titanium Backup for backing up data and restoring it on a new ROM a lot. Before I flash a new ROM I always do a complete Titanium Backup and a nandroid backup. If the flash fails I restore from my nandroid backup and if the flash works I load my apps back with Titanium Backup (that way all my saved data on things like games is there and I don't have to start over).
I will caution against doing a restore of everything on a new ROM though (mostly a problem if you're going from something like a stock Evo based ROM to a AOSP ROM). I've had some issues when I restored a few system files (accounts database for example). If you stick with installable applications you shouldn't run into any trouble though (also I've had no problems restoring my call log and text message database).
When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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When you are in Titanium Backup, when you hit menu and select more you can create a flashable .zip so that after flashing a new rom or resetting the device you don't have to log into the market to reinstall. Makes life a lot easier.
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I didn't know that, thanks for the tip.
Hi folks... I'm fairly new to flashing ROM's (i know how to flash them and such) but I have a question about backups and restores of roms....I have searched and just dont see the exact wording im looking for.
Ok, So, I have clockwork, and rom manager and have done a backup of my rom.
Here is my question that isnt quite so clear to me.
When I flash a new rom, or say update one that I have where you have to wipe everything.... are these backups here to restore all of your programs and such to where you dont have to go back in and re-download everything when you have a new fresh rom installed.
Id love to try out a bunch of roms.. but I just hate having to go and re-download all of my programs each time I put a new one on... if that is how it has to be then so be it...
I just dont really know exactly what the backups im doing are for, or what they do.
Thanks for your help.
When I flash a new rom, or say update one that I have where you have to wipe everything.... are these backups here to restore all of your programs and such to where you dont have to go back in and re-download everything when you have a new fresh rom installed.
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Somewhat. A nandroid backup is a COMPLETE backup of your entire phone at the point you make the backup. All your apps, calls, texts, etc will be exactly like you made the backup. That's the beauty of nandroid backups, you can make one, try a new rom, and if you dont like it, restore your backup and there is no hassle re-installing apps and changing settings.
However, when you install a new rom, you have to wipe everything. So when flashing a new rom, you will not have anything, you will have to re-install your programs.
There are backup programs that will allow you to backup before a wipe and flash when installing a new ROM. You can then restore the user apps and data. You can also restore SOME system data but you have to be careful and it may be a trial and error process when restoring.
I use Titanium Backup. Some people also use MyBackup Root. I found that when I restored some of my apps with MyBackup they would Force Close when I tried to run them after a restore. That has not been the case with Titanium.
I have Titanium set to restore the apps to the original location. That way my apps restore to internal (DATA) or the the SD Card depending on where they were originally installed.
My process when I flash a new ROM:
- Backup all user apps + Data and System Data with Titanium.
- Nandroid Backup using Amon_RA
- Wipe System, Data, Dalvik and Cache
- Flash the ROM
- Reboot
- Create google account, etc.
- Install Titanium from the market.
- Restore user apps + data using titanium
You can also restore some system data. Depending on the ROM (and how different it was from the original) that can cause problems. If that happens go back to wipe and reflash the ROM again without restoring the system data.
I have had no problems restoring things like my SMS Messages and Call Logs. You can get into problems when you start restoring things like system settings or HTC Sense settings, etc.
Thank you both for the replies. This is exactly what i needed to know. I hope this thread helps others with similar questions.
There is one thing. CWM and ROM Manager have a history of not being reliable with backups.
Your best bet is to get Amon Ra and use that to make Nandroids.
4 I always have on my phone are my Stock/Rooted, my last ROM I was on, fully setup, my Current ROM, basic, before I restore and programs or apps/data, and my current ROM all setup.
If I flash a new ROM, I can just delete my older complete setup.
Ok Something was hinky with my device so I had to do what I most assuredly did not want to do. factory reset and reinstall.
I know how to make a backup now from recovery but alas I need to do a wipe and clean install before I can MAKE a usable backup.
so I backup as much as I can. contacts settings for different programs etc..
my BIG pet peeve was my go launcher screens. I HAVE A LOT of stuff I really really really did not want to reinstall and reconfigure.
so I backed up golauncher settings.
I wipe. I reinstall. before I "restore" go launcher settings I first go down my checklist and reinstall all the apps and widgets its going to use BEFORE I restore go launcher.
all installed all working.
I restore go launcher. SPLAT. every single stinking widget is "Problem Loading widget"
they are all their they are all in their proper places but USELESS. all of them (except go launcher calendar) say Problem Loading widget.
I have 12 days left widgets especially I DO NOT WANT TO REINSTALL.
is their anything I can do? how do I fix this?
Sorry to say but reinsyalling the widgets are the only way I have found
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before I wiped it I made an image. I could restore that image. is there a way to properly "backup" the widgets properly so I can "restore" them?
I have all my widgets restored now except my Days left widgets. there are just too many of them and I don't even remember all the dates I had set up I had so many of them.
There could be several ways doing that but nothing is perfect.
Go Launcher backup is not working well.
The most efficient way is 'not doing factory reset'. I'm not doing factory reset at all these days because everything works perfect without factory reset.
(many people says that factory reset is required to properly install ROM. But it's the special case)
If you do not wipe the data during the installation, all app will be there after the installation including go launcher setting and widgets... Just need to change the default launcher from tw to go.
If there is a reason that you need to wipe the data, then before doing it, make the whole application backup using Titanium backup and restore it after flashing the rom. It will store almost everything with some widget links broken. But this is better than nothing...
there was something seriously "wrong" in software on the phone no idea what or how to fix factory wipe appeared to be the only option.
dogg catcher kept "uninstalling" itself and eventually refused to install at all declaring "incompatible"
no idea why worked fine on every other device I tried so "something" was hinky with my device I determined.
I just want to get those days left widgets back and get weatherbug working properly again at 160res.
going to make a backup again wipe restore the old backup and try a titanium backup of go and weatherbug
then wipe restore new image and try the backups from titanium see what happens.
now that I know how to backup from the recovery menu I NEVER plan to do a factory wipe again.
if things go hinky I will have a nice clean backup I can just wipe and restore my backup so everything stays perfect.
VERY annoying.
That's it! Most important thing is making clean backup - nandroid backup of your whole system and titanium backup after applications configured. This will really save your time in the future.
hmm the nandroid backup does NOT backup settings and configuration?
what use is it then? is that not the POINT of a nandroid backup to be a bit for bit backup?
what exactly "IS" a nandroid backup.
Nandroid backup - backup almost everything including the user apps + data.
Because of this, normally nadroid backup size is +- 1GB.
Also, it's hard to keep the history because of size. You may want to keep just few critical nandroid backups.
Titianum backup - There are lots of option to make backup and able to control the versions. So, this method can be used more frequently. For any small changes, I would do the titanium backup rather than nandroid.
ok so what precisely does the nandoird backup "NOT" backup. I assume it does not backup anything on the internal SD (I backed up the whole thing) anything else?
my first nandroid backup was almost 3gb
My plan is to make 2 nandroid backups like I do with imagine my desktops and laptops.
the 1st will be all my settings and all my core applications. I call my "core" backup. its the os settings and the apps I will "ALWAYS" reinstall no matter what.
then I install "other" apps I like and make a new backup this will be the "full" backup.
if I find a new "core" app I like I will wipe the system restore the core backup clean then add the new "core app" then make a new "core backup"
I was not aware of this backup method before yesterday though hehe
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ok so what precisely does the nandoird backup "NOT" backup. I assume it does not backup anything on the internal SD (I backed up the whole thing) anything else?
my first nandroid backup was almost 3gb
My plan is to make 2 nandroid backups like I do with imagine my desktops and laptops.
the 1st will be all my settings and all my core applications. I call my "core" backup. its the os settings and the apps I will "ALWAYS" reinstall no matter what.
then I install "other" apps I like and make a new backup this will be the "full" backup.
if I find a new "core" app I like I will wipe the system restore the core backup clean then add the new "core app" then make a new "core backup"
I was not aware of this backup method before yesterday though hehe
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No no no!
Basically nandroid backup has almost everything (rom, kernel, modem) + system configuration data + all installed user apps + user configuration data.
So, if your system or app is not normal, and if it's really hard to go back to previous status, then you can simply restore your system using your nandroid backup. In most case, you don't need to backup the nandroid backup files to your PC or laptop except the data is extremely important.
If you think you have a chance to break your external sdcard or internal sdcard, then you can keep the files in both places. But it isn't necessary in most cases.
After the Nandroid backup, for any small changes or you want to back up the applications, then you can use the Titanium backup to track the application changes.
When I started learning the android, I thought the same way you mentioned above, but I don't think it's necessary. We are getting new builds almost every week or day. So, at least you want to stay with your current rom forever, you don't need lots of backups. About a week later, your old backups would be in garbage can.
Make it simple! And you will be happy.
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Here is what I usually do
1. Make full nandroid backup of my current phone before I upgrade the rom or make major changes
2. Change the system or Flash the rom
3. Confirm the changes or make the basic tuning on the rom
4. If everything is fine then make another nondorid backup, if somethis is wrong, then restore the system using nandroid backup in step 1. Follow the steps again.
5. Install Apps, configure the apps and frequently backup the apps using titanium backup
6. If some apps is not working well, or you deleted necessary app, then recover the app (and/or data) thru tb
7. verify if everything is fine, then make full Titanium backup
8.use your phone. If you believe your phone is stable, then make another Nandroid backup.
9. Keep the nandroid backups in step 1 and 9.
So, combination between nandroid and TB is really useful and if you use it properly, it will save lots of your time.
sure but once I get a rom I really like I don't change it unless there is cause to change it.
also my "core apps" don't change and anything else I install I could care less if I lose it. if its important I make a new core backup.
what I do NOT want to do is spend literally "HOURS" getting all my settings widgets tweaks and logins all set up again.
I am on over 4 hours now trying to get my SII back to the way it was STILL not quite their yet.
still can't get my damned days left widgets to restore (there is 12 of them) I really do not want to do that over again.
and still can't get weather bug working right for some reason.
if I had one of these backups in place I could have blown the system out and click restore and been done with it.
You should backup using "MyBackup Pro". It backs up everything. Its a lot quicker to restore using it. 5 minutes and your done.
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AFAIK - Nandroid backup doesn't backup modem/kernel...
phazeman said:
AFAIK - Nandroid backup doesn't backup modem/kernel...
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Um, nice resurrection?
And yes, nandroid backs up modem, kernel and rom.
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I have Titanium backup, but noticed that TWRP also provides a backup and restore. I think I've restored all of my apps by restoring the "data" after a ROM install (at least that's what it appears to have happened). Can anyone verify or is there another partition/folder that I should backup as well for app restoration.
Separate question - I know many people favor Titanium backup - but has anyone started using TWRP for their backup/restores?
using TWRP to restore data is the same as restoring data with CWM
TiBu lets you pick what you want to restore, which is why its preferred. also, if i remember correctly, restoring data with twrp/cwm restores system data, which is bad.
I think you are confusing an app that has backup functions (TiBu) with a recovery, which does Nandroid backups (TWRP).
I'm not confusing them. TWRP backs up data, system, cache...etc. Titanium backs up specific apps. I understand that difference, but if I want to back up all my apps, I just back up my data and restore after I flash the new ROM. It's worked so far.....and I don't have to keep reinstalling Titanium every time.
EDIT: So I guess that's my question - if I want to backup my apps and settings, would I be missing anything to just restore "data"?
BTW I have been using my data backup in TWRP after flashing ROMs and it works flawlessly.....all my apps are there.....in case anyone is interested. Currently running ParanoidAndroid.
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You probably shouldn't be just restoring /data when you flash a new ROM. In addition to your apps, /data also contains your system settings which may not be compatible with all ROMs. Flashing custom ROMs is not for the lazy, just use Titanium if you need to restore your apps.
Open Titanium Backup. Go to option>>Batch Actions.
Here you can backup all the apps(system,user system+user) including data on a single click.. And this process is totally safe. Just you have to install Titanium backup manually after installing new ROM. then it will restore all your apps with the data on a single click.
Hi,
I had upgraded my Galaxy Gio from stock rom to custom rom (CM 7.2 based), and now I want to restore just a few apps + data (for e.g. Memo) and Contacts (from stock rom) from my Nandroid backup, so I want it should be on the current custom rom.
How far I tried to do so, I could'nt get it done. I tried with NANDROID MANAGER, I installed it and tried to restore some apps + their data, (the apps was in previous rom in System/Apps so Nandroid Manager automatically wanted to install it in system/apps), ok, the program showed as it's installed with no broblems, BUT after reboot as it required, NOTHING HAPPENED, so I looked in system/apps and data/data with root explorer, those apps & data were there, but it was not installed.....
I also tried to restore the Contacts from Nandroid (Contacts Storage), and I ended up with erasing all contacts I had currently on the phone (anyway that wasn't a problem, cause i had an regular backup of it).
So I would like to understand what the problem is, and how is it possible to have my previous memos and contacts restored to my current rom?!
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS ISSUE!!!!
Thanks in advance.
snsmos said:
Hi,
I had upgraded my Galaxy Gio from stock rom to custom rom (CM 7.2 based), and now I want to restore just a few apps + data (for e.g. Memo) and Contacts (from stock rom) from my Nandroid backup, so I want it should be on the current custom rom.
How far I tried to do so, I could'nt get it done. I tried with NANDROID MANAGER, I installed it and tried to restore some apps + their data, (the apps was in previous rom in System/Apps so Nandroid Manager automatically wanted to install it in system/apps), ok, the program showed as it's installed with no broblems, BUT after reboot as it required, NOTHING HAPPENED, so I looked in system/apps and data/data with root explorer, those apps & data were there, but it was not installed.....
I also tried to restore the Contacts from Nandroid (Contacts Storage), and I ended up with erasing all contacts I had currently on the phone (anyway that wasn't a problem, cause i had an regular backup of it).
So I would like to understand what the problem is, and how is it possible to have my previous memos and contacts restored to my current rom?!
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS ISSUE!!!!
Thanks in advance.
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i think you can use titanium back up.
hope it helps
sadistic11 said:
i think you can use titanium back up.
hope it helps
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THANKS