Any consequences other than losing root? I'm not too concerned about getting it right this second since I know these devs at xda will cook somethin nice up in a few days. Just want to know my options. THanks
EDIT: im running dc 3.2.3 (2.1)
It should just flash the new ROM. Yes, you'll lose root and it probably replaces the bootloader so you can't boot into recovery either, but it should be just another stock phone after that.
So I am rooted and go to load up the update and it puts me in the spot with the android guy and the /!\ what gives...
yourfriendwayned said:
So I am rooted and go to load up the update and it puts me in the spot with the android guy and the /!\ what gives...
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I'm in the same boat dude. I currently have UnrEVOked 3 on my phone. My guess is that is whats F'n it up
SantinoInc said:
I'm in the same boat dude. I currently have UnrEVOked 3 on my phone. My guess is that is whats F'n it up
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hmmm yup I have the same root method - great I thought it would just write over...
Well we all know by now once your phone is rooted you cannot do any ota, you are much better of waiting a day or two to get the rooted version from one of the dev.
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Im pretty bummed, also in the same boat.
jahnile said:
Well we all know by now once your phone is rooted you cannot do any ota, you are much better of waiting a day or two to get the rooted version from one of the dev.
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some of us dont care about loosing root, and as far as i knew i could at anytime upgrade to something sprint put out and all that would happen is i would loose root.
I'm pretty pissed...I thought that an OTA would override the unrEVOked 3 since it's not even full root. Now I gotta figure out what to do next. There is another thread here that describes a method to UNROOT. But I'm not sure if it works with UNREVOKED 3
SantinoInc said:
I'm pretty pissed...I thought that an OTA would override the unrEVOked 3 since it's not even full root. Now I gotta figure out what to do next. There is another thread here that describes a method to UNROOT. But I'm not sure if it works with UNREVOKED 3
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It doesn't matter what you did to root it, you can un-root the same way
I don't want to ruu and erase everything either...
yourfriendwayned said:
I don't want to ruu and erase everything either...
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Well you just want the WORLD now don't you?
SantinoInc said:
Well you just want the WORLD now don't you?
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hmm is this a trick... do I have to trade my soul?
SantinoInc said:
I'm pretty pissed...I thought that an OTA would override the unrEVOked 3 since it's not even full root. Now I gotta figure out what to do next. There is another thread here that describes a method to UNROOT. But I'm not sure if it works with UNREVOKED 3
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This is my position aswell. Im sure i read pleanty of people saying unrevoked would have no effect on future updates, and the worst that would happen was loosing root.
eventually all the developers will migrate to froyo as a base so you can wait or you can unroot like me and install the OTA with no prob. When I installed the OTA it kinda installed like a regular app...did not go to bootloader or nothing like that. Then it just rebooted into froyo...did not lose anything such as installed apps or user data etc. It's all good eitherway you choose in my opinion. Keep root and wait...Unroot/OTA and wait...it will only be a short time like almost already and full froyo with root is a done deal...
cardiox said:
eventually all the developers will migrate to froyo as a base so you can wait or you can unroot like me and install the OTA with no prob. When I installed the OTA it kinda installed like a regular app...did not go to bootloader or nothing like that. Then it just rebooted into froyo...did not lose anything such as installed apps or user data etc. It's all good eitherway you choose in my opinion. Keep root and wait...Unroot/OTA and wait...it will only be a short time like almost already and full froyo with root is a done deal...
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Can you please list your steps for unrooting? I want to add the ota and reroot later.
Thanks,
Ian B
I had the june update so i was 1.47 but either way this is the program to use...
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc-evo-4g-roms-hacks/19278-how-unroot-return-stock.html
This in my opinion is the way to go...make sure you use the 1.47 one and you are good to go...then get the OTA FROYO...I did it this way.
I had Unrevoked3 on mine for wifi tethering..and did the manual leaked update (update.zip on sd card etc) and it worked just peachy, if you wanted to go that route. I did lost my root but none of my data (even superusers is still installed lol)
From what I read there isnt much of a difference between the .3 and .6 versions anyway
Maybe if you did that, then waited to see what HTC comes up with for us "early adopters" to get us up to speed lol
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Verizon won't authenticate my phone when roaming. I've tried to update my PRI a few dozen times, but no dice. I'm on 1.34 still. Tech support couldn't do anything for me on their end and told me to take in to a sprint store to update my PRI manually.
My phone is heavily themed, I'm planning to flash over a rom that looks stock. I'll uninstall any root programs. How thorough are employees in sprint stores at checking out phones? What happens if they see that your phone is rooted?
I'm curious because I assume they'll go into recov mode and see my phone isn't stock
Nandroid. Flash stock Eclair. Get your phone fixed. Root again.
Why eclaire?
kdbrown5 said:
Why eclaire?
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It is un-rootable if you root it. You use unrEVOked Forever to root Froyo, which is permanent as far as I know.
yeah, just go stock and they will never know. People have said oh, they can tell, and while, I'm sure somehow they could, they won't. I've using android for over a year, and every time I have a problem I flash stock, with a fresh wipe, take it to sprint, get it fixed, reload backup and i'm back up as if nothing happened. So to answer, just flash stock before taking it in and you will be fine.
TheBiles said:
You use unrEVOked Forever to root Froyo, which is permanent as far as I know.
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They actually released a tool to reset it to S-ON, yesterday I believe.
Noxious Ninja said:
They actually released a tool to reset it to S-ON, yesterday I believe.
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Ah, ok. Not that I will ever use it. Rooting by hand, FTW.
OK good to know, will do this tomorrow hopefully. Thanks for the input everyone
even though i rooted through simple root and have nand unlocked, is it recommended to use unrevoked forever to keep nand unlocked?
Rocklee99 said:
even though i rooted through simple root and have nand unlocked, is it recommended to use unrevoked forever to keep nand unlocked?
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I wouldn't since you are already good.
The only thing it does is protect you if you should allow an OTA update and if you want any recommendation, I'd advise not downloading any OTA's ever.
EDIT: At least that is my understanding of what it does.
churchwin88 said:
I wouldn't since you are already good.
The only thing it does is protect you if you should allow an OTA update and if you want any recommendation, I'd advise not downloading any OTA's ever.
EDIT: At least that is my understanding of what it does.
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it only protects you if an S-ON update is not included in that OTA update.
Someone in another thread mentioned they already have a patch for the S-OFF/ON to kill unrevoked forever.
there is a point to the program but seriously, all it takes is an update to kill it and i am not sure what the revoked team was thinking making claims that it would allow root for ever,,,, that was a pretty unsubstantiated claim since, again, all it takes is an update from HTC.
I think the bigger point is that you wont loose root/nand if you flash a bad rom or something.
but i think they made that statement with "never install an OTA update without researching it first" in mind.
now that is how I understand it.
v_lestat said:
it only protects you if an S-ON update is not included in that OTA update.
Someone in another thread mentioned they already have a patch for the S-OFF/ON to kill unrevoked forever.
there is a point to the program but seriously, all it takes is an update to kill it and i am not sure what the revoked team was thinking making claims that it would allow root for ever,,,, that was a pretty unsubstantiated claim since, again, all it takes is an update from HTC.
I think the bigger point is that you wont loose root/nand if you flash a bad rom or something.
but i think they made that statement with "never install an OTA update without researching it first" in mind.
now that is how I understand it.
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Ahh, see I was under the impression, like probably most, that it was permanent. I wasn't aware that either this tool or HTC could change it back.
The patch for forever was mentioned but I don't think its actually confirmed. Either way, for root users here I don't see any reason to ever to an OTA.
Sent from my FROYO'D EVO using xda app
dglowe343 said:
The patch for forever was mentioned but I don't think its actually confirmed. Either way, for root users here I don't see any reason to ever to an OTA.
Sent from my FROYO'D EVO using xda app
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I tryed it, when I first downgraded from 2.2 to 2.1 it asked if I wanted to update, so to see if unrevoked forever really work I downloaded the file and install it.after it was all done I went to bootloader to see is if the security was off and it was it said s-off then all I did is flash the custom recovery that was in the guide and it worked
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Hey xda community,
my friend recently got an evo and he asked me if i can root it for him.
I have a rooted evo too but i have a different version. he got the new 0004 version of the evo while mines is the 0003. i rooted mine using that whole rageagasintthecage method, and idk if i can root his like that.
my question is what is the best way to achieve full root on the new 0004 versions.
I know google could probably answer this but i rather have someone from the community help me out.
The most popular way is via unrevoked. Unless something has changed, it should root all versions.
plainjane said:
The most popular way is via unrevoked. Unless something has changed, it should root all versions.
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Yea pretty sure UNrevoked will do the job.
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thanks for the replies peeps, you think this guide is good?
http://htcevorooting.x10.mx/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_root_your_current_EVO_4G_with_Unrevoked3
anyone? is it a good guide?
http://unrevoked.com/#evo
Go there, download the install
http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/windows_hboot_driver_install
Go there and install the hboot drivers
Lastly, install htc sync, then uninstall the program. On your phone go into settings > applications > development > check usb debugging.
After you've done that, connect your phone to your pc in charge only, then run the unrevoked reflash package. It'll take about 5 minutes and reboot about 2 times, let it run the full course.
I plan on removing unrevoked so that I can receive the latest update and then re-root. I only use wireless tethering and trying to get OpenVPN. Other than that, I don't use other root capabilities. Is this a bad idea (updating OTA)?
You can just update your rom, flash to a sense rom, update your prl and flash back. I don't recommend accepting the official OTA can you can lose your root.
I have just successfully rooted my evo4g just now. Before I can flash a rom, what are the other things I must do? (nand unlock/radio/pri/prl/etc)??
Thanks,
Hplaya
himalayasplaya said:
I have just successfully rooted my evo4g just now. Before I can flash a rom, what are the other things I must do? (nand unlock/radio/pri/prl/etc)??
Thanks,
Hplaya
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Well you should be nand unlocked if you used unrevoked. Go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485 to get the radio, ect, you can use the combo flash if you like. Just make sure to backup your current rom, then flash,
himalayasplaya said:
I have just successfully rooted my evo4g just now. Before I can flash a rom, what are the other things I must do? (nand unlock/radio/pri/prl/etc)??
Thanks,
Hplaya
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Definitely do a backup, and then move the backup to your computer for safekeeping. The person before me provided the correct link for the radio upgrades.
After that, you should be set to flash. (Assuming you've picked out a ROM that suites your wants and needs.)
xtshadowxt said:
thanks for the replies peeps, you think this guide is good?
http://htcevorooting.x10.mx/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_root_your_current_EVO_4G_with_Unrevoked3
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The main page of that website lists more options regarding rooting, backing up, flashing, etc. and I found it to be very helpful when I went through all the steps.
Just use this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
works like a champ for all hardware versions & you'll be rooted in 30 minutes.
totalanonymity said:
Definitely do a backup, and then move the backup to your computer for safekeeping. The person before me provided the correct link for the radio upgrades.
After that, you should be set to flash. (Assuming you've picked out a ROM that suites your wants and needs.)
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I was told that unrevoked 3 doesnt nand unlock phones?? are you sure I can jump right into flashing?
Also how do I perform a back up for my phone??
Thanks for helping out this n00b
Hplaya
himalayasplaya said:
I was told that unrevoked 3 doesnt nand unlock phones?? are you sure I can jump right into flashing?
Also how do I perform a back up for my phone??
Thanks for helping out this n00b
Hplaya
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See my post on the front page. but unrevoked does give you nand unlock. The earlier versions didn't, which you had to flash the unforever zip to get the nand unlock, but its been merged into the flash.
And after you root, you hold vol+down while turning the phone on, and you go to the bootloader, select recovery. You'll be on clockworkmod recovery, then you just select backup from backup/restore menu.
himalayasplaya said:
I was told that unrevoked 3 doesnt nand unlock phones?? are you sure I can jump right into flashing?
Also how do I perform a back up for my phone??
Thanks for helping out this n00b
Hplaya
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That's how I rooted!
Thanks TR. I'll try that and see how it goes. I'm ultimately trying to get OpenVPN running and having problems getting the tun.ko file for my build. I don't have linux to compile my own for 2.6.32.15-ge2fb08e, so I thought I'd try to update in the interim.
since im rooted and my phone has been backed up now...
is there a way to remove sprints bloatware? or would that only be through flashing?
I'm still a n00b to android flashing so i will be reading your guides...what other advantages can I expect from flashing to a new rom? (speed, battery life,etc)
himalayasplaya said:
since im rooted and my phone has been backed up now...
is there a way to remove sprints bloatware? or would that only be through flashing?
I'm still a n00b to android flashing so i will be reading your guides...what other advantages can I expect from flashing to a new rom? (speed, battery life,etc)
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You can remove the sprint apps by going into titanium backup, And depending on the rom, you will get speed, and kernels help with battery life. Generally, AOSP is faster cuz it doesn't have all the sprint crap in it.
any links to the next process after rooting/nand unlocked is done? I've read about people losing their 4g keys? how do i ensure this wont happen?
kernel/radio/rom flashing? anyone got rom recommendations?
So, my evo is rooted with unrevoked. Im running 2.2 right now and want the 2.3.3.
If i do the update through sprint that it keeps telling me to download EVERYDAY...will it mess up my phone cause of the root..or what will it do?
IF i accept it...
please let me know. Its starting to annoy me lol
;15115565 said:
So, my evo is rooted with unrevoked. Im running 2.2 right now and want the 2.3.3.
If i do the update through sprint that it keeps telling me to download EVERYDAY...will it mess up my phone cause of the root..or what will it do?
IF i accept it...
please let me know. Its starting to annoy me lol
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Unless u ran unrevoked forever and have s off forever than by running the update u will lose root. Even if ur s off forever u run the risk of losing root as well. At best u can flash one of the gb roms in the dev section.
what if it is s-on?
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what if it is s-on?
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Then you're kinda outta luck til they find a root for the new OTA.
i used unrevoked3. does that make a difference between the forever? im kinda new at this stuff. my roommate is the whiz at this **** lol so ya. im tempted to unroot it and forget it all cause its actually messing up my phone more than ive used the gratefullness of the root
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what if it is s-on?
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If ur s on then ur not rooted. If u haven't taken the update then rerun unrevoked. If u have run update then u sol till new root method is found.
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i used unrevoked3. does that make a difference between the forever? im kinda new at this stuff. my roommate is the whiz at this **** lol so ya. im tempted to unroot it and forget it all cause its actually messing up my phone more than ive used the gratefullness of the root
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If I had to make a choice I'd go to the dev section and choose a rom that I liked and flashed that. Then u don't have to wireless bout it anymore. With root u unlock things but also can get alot better battery life and can customize things like percentage battery and different lock screeens and lots more. Just look around and test things out before u give up. Its not as hard as u think to get the hang of it.
ok wow im stupid.
unrevoked forever is what i used. my bad lol sorry.
s-off
we tried 3 but it wouldnt work for some reason so we did the forever.
phone is rooted for sure.
so if i did the sprint update from the "update phone" section on the phone...i would lose root? would it flash phone too? honestly at this point idc about the root anymore really. i am about to upgrade to the Evo 3D next weekend
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ok wow im stupid.
unrevoked forever is what i used. my bad lol sorry.
s-off
we tried 3 but it wouldnt work for some reason so we did the forever.
phone is rooted for sure.
so if i did the sprint update from the "update phone" section on the phone...i would lose root? would it flash phone too? honestly at this point idc about the root anymore really. i am about to upgrade to the Evo 3D next weekend
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If ur upgrading to 3vo then no big deal. Upon reading u might have to unroot phone to get update to work. If ur selling ur evo back to sprint when u get new phone then run the s on from unrevoked and then unroot and take update. If ur putting it on eBay or craigslist or selling to a friend u can unroot and leave it s off so other person can reroot if they want
ok. so where is the best instructions on how to unroot?
i seen one in the dev section near the top (Unroot in 2 steps)<---that one?
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ok. so where is the best instructions on how to unroot?
i seen one in the dev section near the top (Unroot in 2 steps)<---that one?
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Yeah prob ur best bet is there.
Why take the update when there are optimized ROMs based on the update that work better and have in them than what you'll get from the OTA??
Papa Smurf151 said:
If ur s on then ur not rooted. If u haven't taken the update then rerun unrevoked. If u have run update then u sol till new root method is found.
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Correct yourself and stop spreading wrong information.
S off does not mean you are rooted nor does it have any correlation with being rooted.
S off is the security flag which allows the bootloader to flash unsigned/unofficial images to the partitions.
An evo can be rooted and still have the security flag s on.
Even the installation instructions for unrevoked forever state you have to be rooted FIRST WITH A CUSTOM RECOVERY ALREADY INSTALLED in order to apply the unrevoked forever patch.
You should get your information straight before you start to put it out.
lovethyEVO said:
Correct yourself and stop spreading wrong information.
S off does not mean you are rooted nor does it have any correlation with being rooted.
S off is the security flag which allows the bootloader to flash unsigned/unofficial images to the partitions.
An evo can be rooted and still have the security flag s on.
Even the installation instructions for unrevoked forever state you have to be rooted FIRST WITH A CUSTOM RECOVERY ALREADY INSTALLED in order to apply the unrevoked forever patch.
You should get your information straight before you start to put it out.
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Wow post like this deserve to go in the shutter. I was helping the Guy out. If he was s on then there is more than a large percentage chance that he isn't rooted. Instead of getting technical I decided to help out in q way he'd understand. So quit being a douche.
Papa Smurf151 said:
Wow post like this deserve to go in the shutter. I was helping the Guy out. If he was s on then there is more than a large percentage chance that he isn't rooted. Instead of getting technical I decided to help out in q way he'd understand. So quit being a douche.
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I wasn't being a douche. You ever heard of constructive criticism? Op stated he was still rooted and didn't take the ota. He was wondering what would happen if he did. He was also unsure if he was s on or not which has nothing to do with being rooted. You gave wrong information about the security flag when you should have told him to verify if he is s off even though he has a rooted rom. If he was s on then you could have told him to flash unrevoked forever and then he can accept the ota if he wanted.
Helping is one thing, helping with wrong information is another.
2.3 is pushing this week, before accepting the update do I need to unroot my phone? It's on Unrevoked at the moment. Or can I push the update and it will magically unroot my phone? If that happens will unrevoked work again or will it be stuck in no root land till someone finds a root for 2.3?
Ugh! There are probably 20 threads that cover this but since there will probably be 20 more... If you want to stay rooted don't update until a Dev has had a chance to release a rooted stock version. Unrevoked will most likely (99%) not work to get you root.
Your best bet is to just be patient and keep an eye on the development section. Someone will definately release a rooted version, relatively quickly. I think the leaked gingerbread was rooted the same day it got leaked.
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Or you could just go to a custom ROM in the meantime... they're so much better than stock anyway
Aptalmagest said:
2.3 is pushing this week, before accepting the update do I need to unroot my phone? It's on Unrevoked at the moment. Or can I push the update and it will magically unroot my phone? If that happens will unrevoked work again or will it be stuck in no root land till someone finds a root for 2.3?
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It will not magically unroot your phone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16688892&postcount=72
So then I do need to unroot my phone do accept the update?
Aptalmagest said:
So then I do need to unroot my phone do accept the update?
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Yes. That's exactly what thread after thread is saying. Search function bro... Really. Frankly, I think doing such a thing would be pretty stupid, but that's your call. And I'll tell you exactly why it would be stupid......
In a few short days you're gonna see a flood of ADB rooted ROMs in the dev section that will unquestionably be better than the bone stock job you'll be totally stuck with. I can tell you from experience that just because its an OTA doesn't mean its better. And if you're that crazy for the bleeding edge of Android, the version of gingerbread in the OTA will not be as current as CM7. I don't personally like gingerbread much. It hasn't cracked up to be the magic elixir people make it out to be, just like so many new devices that everyone SWEARS will be the next digital Mecha.... Incidentally, I'm typing this on the HTC Mecha, which was swooned over for month, then hated on for all the same weaknesses the dInc has.
Friend to friend here... I wouldn't tell anyone to do what you're think of doing.
I'm being steered in the same direction. On 2.2 rooted with unrevoked. Unrooting is undeniably more complicated than rooting IMO and, as stated, the ROMs that are going to be builted off the 2.3 OTA will be better.
I'm just never flashed a ROM before so we'll see how that goes haha
You can unroot, go that route if you'd like. But there's already 2 rooted, ready to go zips of the OTA in the Development forum you could just download and flash.
I guess what I don't understand is, people seem to think that receiving the OTA you get MORE than just flashing the OTA zip that's been rooted/ready for flashing. IT'S THE SAME THING!
In order to unroot, reload the RUU or PB31IMG.zip file to get to stock, if something goes wrong, you've got a nice brick on your hands. You'll lose root when you unroot and accept the OTA, since Unrevoked's exploit is 99% more than likely patched.
You can do all of that work just to accept the OTA, but remember, you'll need to wait for root. Trust me, any day now you'll be seeing the threads of "I accepted the OTA and Unrevoked doesn't work!"...please don't be in that group of people.
GinNjoose said:
I'm being steered in the same direction. On 2.2 rooted with unrevoked. Unrooting is undeniably more complicated than rooting IMO and, as stated, the ROMs that are going to be builted off the 2.3 OTA will be better.
I'm just never flashed a ROM before so we'll see how that goes haha
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Dude, use Doug Piston's ROM Flashing Tutorial, here. It's easy.
After the screen shot showing Wiping Cache, also do:
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /data, format /boot
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik
Then resume at the Install zip from SD Card screen shot...
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Yes. That's exactly what thread after thread is saying. Search function bro... Really. Frankly, I think doing such a thing would be pretty stupid, but that's your call. And I'll tell you exactly why it would be stupid......
In a few short days you're gonna see a flood of ADB rooted ROMs in the dev section that will unquestionably be better than the bone stock job you'll be totally stuck with. I can tell you from experience that just because its an OTA doesn't mean its better. And if you're that crazy for the bleeding edge of Android, the version of gingerbread in the OTA will not be as current as CM7. I don't personally like gingerbread much. It hasn't cracked up to be the magic elixir people make it out to be, just like so many new devices that everyone SWEARS will be the next digital Mecha.... Incidentally, I'm typing this on the HTC Mecha, which was swooned over for month, then hated on for all the same weaknesses the dInc has.
Friend to friend here... I wouldn't tell anyone to do what you're think of doing.
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This is wrong..you can stay s-off but you need stock recovery and stock 2.2 rom
/droid3
beard0 said:
This is wrong..you can stay s-off but you need stock recovery and stock 2.2 rom
/droid3
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I appreciate the correction.
I would definitely not root & go to JoelZ's thread & download the rooted version of the 2.3.4 update!!!
RMarkwald said:
Dude, use Doug Piston's ROM Flashing Tutorial, here. It's easy.
After the screen shot showing Wiping Cache, also do:
Mounts and Storage - format /system, format /data, format /boot
Advanced - Wipe Dalvik
Then resume at the Install zip from SD Card screen shot...
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ALRIGHT HERE GOES NUTHIN!
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SUCCESS! Joel's 2.3.4 release flashed! Wow, that really was easy! I got scared when it hung on backup during the generation of the MD5 sum though, took all of like 10 min..... what does that mean anyway?