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Will Desire ever be a modded phone?

Hi,
I am due to trade in my faithful G1 in the next three weeks. The obvious choice financially for a replacement is the Desire.
The best thing about owning the G1 was the wave of development that has followed its release, I have really enjoyed being able to swap ROMs and have the such a wide range of choice to do so.
So, will the Desire ever have this developer base, or has it been eclipsed by the Nexus in this respect? has anyone else thought about this as part of their decision for their next handset?
I know the stock answer is going to be "get a Nexus", but that doesnt makes financial sense at the moment. Maybe I will have to wait until a proper UK release....
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I don't see how you might think the Desire won't get a large developer base. Any phone on XDA gets a large developer base IMO and there are are plenty of Android specific forums that can help you mod when the phone has been rooted.
I think you'll be fine to upgrade to the Desire

The desire will be rooted soon and supposedly has interchangeable roms with the N1 anyway.

All sounds reassuring, thanks I probably named this post poorly..I think it was the extent to which attention would be focused I was concerned about. G1 and Nexus seemed to be in the right place at the right time when devs like Cyanogen were getting hold of new handsets and modding them.

Although I hope I am wrong it is by no means certain that the Desire will be "hacked" to accept Custom ROMs. I understand that Paul at Modaco has been able to "root" the Desire but a lot more work is required before Custom ROMs can be loaded.
There is an assumption here that the "Developers" can do anything. It might just not be possible without a "leak" from someone within HTC.
It might be worth waiting a while before purchasing.

or you just buy it and wait for it to be rooted?
why should you wait until it is cuz we all know it will be rooted. its only a matter of time.
and if it cant be rooted we are screwd because all new htc (android) devices will have the same kind of security or even better !!

networkkilla said:
Hi,
I am due to trade in my faithful G1 in the next three weeks. The obvious choice financially for a replacement is the Desire.
The best thing about owning the G1 was the wave of development that has followed its release, I have really enjoyed being able to swap ROMs and have the such a wide range of choice to do so.
So, will the Desire ever have this developer base, or has it been eclipsed by the Nexus in this respect? has anyone else thought about this as part of their decision for their next handset?
I know the stock answer is going to be "get a Nexus", but that doesnt makes financial sense at the moment. Maybe I will have to wait until a proper UK release....
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
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I am in the same boat as you... I have a G1 and absolutely love the modding and dev community out there, it made my phone 1000x more fun to own . I have been looking at the Desire and there are some great deals out there (price wise) so I am seriously considering getting one. The N1 is too expensive for me atm, plus the N1 hasnt sold as well as Google had hoped... For me I hope the desire will outsell the N1 and hopefully have a large dev support....

[Q] Estimated time until Gingerbread ROM?

So the Nexus One could get 2.3 OTA any day now. And the Desire is basically an N1 with slightly different hardware bells&whistles plus Sense. And an official HTC update with Sense could take ages, but GingerNinja is already floating around....
If the N1 starts getting 2.3 officially on day-X, what's the likely time until a working, everyday ROM for the Desire shows up here? Without Sense, of course. Forget that Christmas would mean a delay. Just wondering when to start getting hopes up.
Apologies if this exact question has been asked and answered. All my search turned up was vague "It could be months for official 2.3 with Sense but unofficial vanilla 2.3 ROMs much sooner." Thanks in advance to all the people who do the actual work making it happen!

If it is out for the Nexus One, It should be ported for our Device within a day or two

[Q] Desire coming to the end of it's life????

i don't know if it's just me or is the Desire coming to an end. yeah i know it's been around for 18 and a bit months but many developers are leaving or have left.
I'm wondering if i should be moving along also. i have cooked many a rom for the awesome ones available from coolexe, leedroid, miui, insertcoin and cyanogen but development is slowing and there is only so much you can do to this phone.
i have wasted so much of my time with the phone much to my girlfriends annoyance
but the new sense 3.5 roms and even the 3.0 roms are just too slow for my liking.
Never less the desire forums on xda and all the other android forums must have set world records for the amount of development and threads that there are. and people involved.
i guess people will keep making and porting roms to the Desire like what has happened with the Hero, and what linux can do to an old windows computer, and this phone deserves it. but as i type this i feel a small lump in my throat and a tear in my eye that my Desire will be added to my draw of other phones.
R.I.P Desire!!!

I agree the newer sense roms are slow and I think development here will slow to a trickle.
However, like the Hero, I envisage long term AOSP development until the device just cant take it any more.

Yeah the aosp will keep it going for a while as i can't imagine phones changing too much over the next few years. Especially HTC as they seem to be set in their ways.
HTC Desire

Ha. Horncastle. My Parents are in Wragby

Lol, sounds like you did the right thing and moved away. The internet is shocking here so takes a while to download the roms. Especially if you're in a flashing mood.
HTC Desire

Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A

Fair enough. But it wasn't really a question. Maybe a little rhetorical.
HTC Desire

Hopefully Desire still lives for long time.
If it was the fastest smart phone in the market it wouldn't be a challenging task to make it run smooth

It can easily be kept smooth. But not to the future standard. There is always the need for the most up to date software. What happened to the 3310 lol
HTC Desire

Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it. Anyone can. No knowledge is needed either. But that ain't development. It's cooking. It just needs knowledge as to use a simple kitchen script.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .

Droidzone said:
Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
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Agreed, I wish we could strip out the clones a bit. Thing is some have gone through dsixda kitchen and selected each option. Then they're xda "recognised developer"s. Kind of brings the meaning of the label down IMHO

Noticed you're using supernova....im assuming that's the gingerbread extreme version?
HTC Desire

Sexywacko said:
Noticed you're using supernova....im assuming that's the gingerbread extreme version?
HTC Desire
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Using? He is the dev

Lol....put my foot in it there. I did think wow someone mentioned sibere.....don't hate me.
HTC Desire

Droidzone said:
Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it. Anyone can. No knowledge is needed either. But that ain't development. It's cooking. It just needs knowledge as to use a simple kitchen script.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
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450 apps and counting.. I dont even have a quarter of it

He has 450 apps? That is outrageous.....lol Im going to have to go through app brain and market and see how many I will use. Yet alone even look at.
HTC Desire

I've had my Desire since April time last year and have only recently discovered the whole XDA rom scene. Seems a shame that I seem to have found out about all this towards the end of the Desire's life.
There are some great rom's (and dev's) on here that have given my phone a new lease of life but it's a bit sad to know that some of the dev's are moving on to the newer handsets. Guess next time I'll know where come a little earlier in the phones lifecycle
Anyway...
Seeing as I'm getting due to move phones some time soon, what would be your suggestions of where to go next where the dev's are giving good support? What would be your suggestions on the next step on from the Desire?

Sorry to hear you've left it this late. But there are plenty of roms that you can try before you decide to move on. Without sounding like a an ass kiss. ...supernova is best for stock desire, you have miui, or many of the aosp like CM7 or gingervillain.
I think some have gone to sgs2 or sensation. Haven't heard much about the new line of xperias or read about them. Not sure about the any motorolas apparently they're shipping with unlocked bootloaders.
If you're new to the forums, have you s off your phone. You don't need to with supernova but the CM7 or oxygen hboots are popular with other roms.
HTC Desire

Yup. Both sensation and sgs2 threads have attracted the good devs from all the device threads.
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .

kaleavi said:
450 apps and counting.. I dont even have a quarter of it
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That's with 648 MB still left.
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .

Desire development is seem to be going dead

Desire development is seem to be going dead..
Doesn't feel good but.. really the development section is slowly going dead...

Captain Obvious to the rescue?
If you decided to have a rant, at least write a few sentences so that we have something to read?
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Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.

every phone has a shelf life . just wait for ur upgrade and hope that the dev community is as good/helpful as this one

Gotta expect it on a 2 yo device. when you see Runnymede AIO and RSK 6 it's hard to see how much further this thing can be pushed. It's already amazing what's possible compared with what HTC intended for it, but there comes a time...

Its normaly said the device is as good as its developers, but after being part of xda for such a long time i really belive the device is as good as its supporters..! and the more the supporters move towards new devices (Especially alot these days due to the end of 2 year contracts) the lesser is the need for any one to bring something new to the device because not many are interested in using it.
And as far as the developers are concerned alot of the dev's were first supporters who really learned to develop as a process to get something new to their own and everyones devices. Many of them dont take official classes to become dev's it just takes a willing supporter of the device n community to actually give in imp time and learn and try developing.
Buh anyways The HTC DESIRE was a great 2 year run, for its money, hardware and this community..! Thankx to All The Dev's for giving us way more than HTC could ever deliver. The Desire was truely a developer phone.. just hope we see the same support in a future device !

I will probably keep my desire for another 2 years. Here in the UK you get massive reductions in line rental if you do not upgrade with a new handset. Besides that I see nothing on the market that's worth upgrading for.
It's all just gimmicks with software bugs, at least my desire is finally at a stage where everything works as planned. I'm still a stock Rom user and by browsing this forum I can see lots of upgrade potential if I venture into the dark side (go rooted).
I don't know how it works elsewhere but here in the UK the average consumer is pretty clued up on phones and most will search the net for bugs before choosing a phone.
I know quite a few iPhone users who have not upgraded to 4s and have instead opted to stay with their current iPhones and benefit from cheaper line rental.
There is also a recession so that means people are looking to save money. Old desires from the UK get sent to new owners in 3rd world countries. Basically the desire is here for another 2 years easily so it makes sense for developers to stick with it.

ckpv5 said:
Yeah... I can see that too. Most "real developer" have moved to other device section. What we have now that still in Desire development is Alex-V (still active) and Coolexe will show up once in a while. Droidzone stops developing ROMs due to job commitment. Well, I'm talking about the real developer for Sense not AOSP and real developer, not modders. Once both Alex-V and Coolexe stop developing for Desire, we can expect a dead end for Desire.
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Alex v already move to sensation xl..
Maybe you can continue desire development..
Because you help so many people.
And me also learn a lot from you..
Sent from my HTC Desire using xda premium

Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire. Any one here from Desires introduction and still has it will know of all the Dev. work done over two tears. I will always hang onto mine too much of a classic to let go.
I also have an Evo 3d (not mine but owner hates it) SGS2 and Nexus One. My Desire is still my daily driver. Some of the best Devs have worked on the Desire and I still check here regularly. So to the Rom Devs, Themers, Modders and Contributors no matter how small the contribution it has been a terrific two years.
If I can single out Madmaxx for the Touch Recovery as the greatest piece of Tech to grace the Desire and Alpharev for S-Off. Just my opinion.

Of course everybody is moving. The HTC Desire is now > two years old. Thats the smartphone lifecycle I think. Dont unterstand me wrong, I absolutely love my desire because its such a reliable phone.

It's long dead. There is very little to no development on it right now. The things you see most on the development section nowadays are merely applied knowledge learned from 'true' development that happened a year or so ago. I see this section going to the legacy devices list pretty soon.

I can't see any problems here. There are loads of stable roms - cyanogen mod, oxygen, even moded or rooted senses, there is no need to spend time on an old device, when it already has reached it's maximum

steveathome said:
Xda should have a Hall of Fame. First to get crowned the HTC Desire.
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The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.

There are plenty of nice Roms in the Desire Section but as with my old phones, HTC Touch HD, HTC HD2 and now HTC Desire they all become old and newer phones come out. That is life. I am getting a new phone myself and looking into what is hot and got the most potential but I will still keep my Desire and hopefully look for new Roms like Sense 3.6 and Sense 4 and 100% working ICS Roms. The new phone will probably have ICS installed or upgraded but I still love Flashing new Roms just for sake of it, isnt that what we all love doing.
One thing for certain, the Desire will go down as one of the most remembered phones.

Desire and g1 best phones ever
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CM 7.2 is coming.
ICS drivers from Qualcomm is also released, let's see if something catches fire soon enough
Also, the desire hardware is kinda limited after 2 years of development.

I've only had my Desire for a year now, and moved to a custom ROM about half a year ago (InsertCoin 2.3.3) once my hunger for apps started giving me storage issues.
Am now on Sandvold ICS and LOVE the UI and HWA speed. Unfortunately, the daily random crashes I'm experiencing mean that a bit more development is needed.
As long as ICS gets stable I'm happy.

The phone is two HTC generations old now, and over 2 years since it was released. I think ICS will be the last Android version to see the Desire.
Still, there is plenty of development going on for ICS in my opinion. A new version of CM9 was just released, Sandvold has his stock version, and a development thread for Sense 4.0 has just opened. There is probably a good 6 months worth of work left.

This was my first android and parting ways with it is going to be hard but yeah we have to move on some time. No new developments rom wise besides the ics and potential ics sense stuff...
I'd say the desire still got some steam left in him
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Kalavere said:
The HD2 should be crowned first place, that's the phone that just won't die.
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Hahaha that's true!!
Never dies
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[Q] If if if DHD ICS update is released...

Does that mean all the issues with current ICS based ROMs on the DZ will be able to be resolved completely?
Or will it just affect the camera related problems?
Also will CM team then release an official DZ release?
I only ask because it seems like the DHD guys are making some progress with HTC.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30099204&postcount=731
Cheers guys.

Well IF (and that's a pretty big IF considering that we've had plenty of headway with camera stuff on the DZ/G2 end) they were to actually release for example full sources and such it would probably aid to the camera.
However on the DZ/G2 side we already got the andreno libs and such from them over a week ago, it's... complicated.
and PS: the link you provided isn't what I'd call "progress", until we actually see something from HTC. Remember this is the same company that 'confirmed' on 4 or 5 separate instances that the DesireHD was getting ICS from them and to not worry, only to all the sudden not get it.

I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.

raiamino said:
I wasn't aware that HTC had released new libraries for the device, hope everyone can put them to good use.
Yeah maybe no official progress but you have to commend them for their effort so far.
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It's already incorporated as best as can be into the Andromadus branch that I know of and just bout any rom that kangs off that. (getting it going on JB is still a different story since they're meant for ICS).

What I saw is that the most recent quarterly earning reminded HTC that they actually need to keep their customer happy to get the hard earned money.
Even though I am sure I won't buy HTC again until they show some real commitment to update their devices, keep pressuring the heck out of them is a good idea so just tell me if there's another petition.