With clearwire's recent release of the Android WiMAX Framework Ver 1.0, I was wondering if it was any way possible to add the ability for our phones to possibly connect with CLEAR directly instead of through sprint.
EDIT:AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE, START DEVELOPING HERE.
Here in phoenix, our entire area is pretty much covered by CLEAR but sprint hasn't officially released 4g here. It's kind of frustrating knowing the infrastructure is there but nothing hasn't happened yet.
oh yea, the link is here for the framework-http://64.13.72.12/tos/cm_api_terms.html?fileId=16&android_wimax_src.zip
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PS> cm6 will be using the clear framework, but that doesn't directly answer your question.
just be patient...it is coming (easy for me to say since I have 4G )
I've started implementing Clear's framework on top of CM6. It looks quite possible to connect to any WiMax network. I've only ported Clear over, I still need to make it talk to the sequans sdio module the ECO uses.
Is it possible to connect to Clear 3g in any way currently?
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mikeallison said:
I've started implementing Clear's framework on top of CM6. It looks quite possible to connect to any WiMax network. I've only ported Clear over, I still need to make it talk to the sequans sdio module the ECO uses.
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Wow, your definitely making great progress! If the EVO can connect to pretty much any WiMax network including clear, I think it would really open up a lot of options for us and have waaay more coverage than before.
I don't know anything about the clear framework... I haven't ready anything about it. But are you expecting to be able to connect to their network for free?
I was under the impression that Clear and the Sprint Wimax network were the same exact thing. Didn't Sprint buy Clear for exactly that reason?
I have "unofficial" 4G in my area, and when I used that antenna tool to check position, I was looking for the Clear site thinking I was connecting to that...
Totally off? They're separate networks?
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I don't know anything about the clear framework... I haven't ready anything about it. But are you expecting to be able to connect to their network for free?
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Nah...but that would definitely be a plus The real use I see for this is bringing 4g speeds to people that aren't under sprint's shotty 4g coverage. Like I said in the op, the WiMax framework with clear is fairly widespread (and already available where I'm at) but inaccessible to us. This would help alot of people in clear's market with the evo that sprint hasn't gotten around to releasing their 4g.
@sjwaste-Sprint owns a majority stake in clearwire; and usually where you have the clear network, there's sprint's wimax. But in certain markets i.e phoenix arizona, sprint hasn't gotten to setting up clear's towers or vice versa for use.
And it's not just clear's WiMax that could be used here. It was said it seems that any WiMax network might be accesible.
Since Sprint owns 51% of Clear, why wouldn't you be able to connect to it?
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I was under the impression that Clear and the Sprint Wimax network were the same exact thing. Didn't Sprint buy Clear for exactly that reason?
I have "unofficial" 4G in my area, and when I used that antenna tool to check position, I was looking for the Clear site thinking I was connecting to that...
Totally off? They're separate networks?
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I have clear in my home and Clear and the 4G are the same tower.
Speaking of all of this, Best Buy is now getting involved: http://newsroom.clearwire.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=214419&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1453796&highlight=
For people who like the short + sweet; here's the engadget blurb: http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/30/best-buy-partners-with-clearwire-will-connect-customers-to-4g/
cool, ill have to ask my chick ia a manager at best buy mobile ill have to ask her if she has some inside scoop.....
Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.
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Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.
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Thanks for the insight! I read someplace on XDA, not sure where, that someone couldn't get onto some portion of Clears network with his EVO because of the frequency of the network whereas his Sprint/WiMax access point for his computer could. Any info about that? And to any Dev's out there, what are the chances that the EVO could access these other freq's? and if I am mistaken in what I post, I blame the other poster that I read this from (let me go search for that post now )
Edit: Here's the link to the other thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=738216&highlight=wimax+frequency
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Ok, Clear's WiMax network is Sprint's 4G network they are one and the same, the 3G network that Clear has is Sprint's 3G network, I am a Clear authorized retailer employee, that is my source of knowledge. in short, when you use Sprint's 4G network, you are truly connecting to Clear, our mac addresses have been added into Clear's database, tat's how we get the connection, same thing with Clear and Sprint 3G just reverse.
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That's cool and all, but I still get no WiMax in phoenix, yet phoenix was one of the first cities to get clear! The thread isn't just about that though, because the evo's WiMax has been limited. As mikeallison stated before, the evo seems to have the ability to communicate with any wimax tower. While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.
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That's cool and all, but I still get no WiMax in phoenix, yet phoenix was one of the first cities to get clear! The thread isn't just about that though, because the evo's WiMax has been limited. As mikeallison stated before, the evo seems to have the ability to communicate with any wimax tower. While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.
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Yes, that said, you may need different authentication to access them. So, you might not be able to just hop on.
Clear
Maybe I don't "do enough" but I don't see any major difference between the 3g and 4g except I can tether and still make calls w/out losing my internet connection... I can send data while on call, etc. But as far as speed...again, maybe I don't do enough to tell the difference.
As far as clear, I am a clear customer for phone service and their wireless on the go service and it SUCKs!!! I can never stay connected to the internet on the go as they claim and I've complained and complained....they lock you into contracts like the cell companies and it is an overall bust for me. Maybe they are developing as well and will improve. I don't ask for much, just to be able to use what I pay for...
Seeing as how they have horrible customer service will keep them in line with the culture of Sprint, so it makes since. I do, however, favor Sprint's plans over all other providers so for that I stay and my EVO rocks.
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While it might not be important now, as more companies get into wimax it could really make a difference to those who aren't in sprint's or clear's coverage.
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What other wimax networks are you expecting exactly? It's basically a dead protocol and I don't think anyone but Sprint/Clear plan to use it in the states. Everyone else is going with LTE.
Are you sure that Clear even has wimax in Phoenix? The reason I ask is that they do not currently show it on their coverage map. I have Clearwire internet at my house in Reno and when I asked about Sprint 4g they said they don't have it here, and don't know when they will. My understanding is that in the cities that Clear has the wimax equipment installed are the cities that have Sprint 4g. They told me the reason we do not have 4g here is that their current equipment here isn't capable of wimax.
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I just want to know is it possible to use evo 4g on another wimax network, outside usa ?
Or it's just a dream
There are wimax networks outside the US?
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There are wimax networks outside the US?
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Heh... Wimax is very popular, actually... Just not widely used by Phone carriers...
In macedonia we have wimax
Living in the greater New Orleans, LA area, the red-headed step-child to Sprint where 3G is slow, inconsistent, and 4G isn't even on the roadmap yet, I'd like to know if its possible to use my Sprint Evo's Wimax capabilities on Verizon's Wimax network, since they've had Wimax here since last year. It appears that the kind of roaming agreement between the two carriers includes phone and basic data, but not Wimax.
Any ideas?
If they had any brains they'd do a raoming agreement for that, too, getting them both much greater Wimax coverage much more quickly. But there I go again, expecting intelligence from a service provider...
Thank you for your time.
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Living in the greater New Orleans, LA area, the red-headed step-child to Sprint where 3G is slow, inconsistent, and 4G isn't even on the roadmap yet, I'd like to know if its possible to use my Sprint Evo's Wimax capabilities on Verizon's Wimax network, since they've had Wimax here since last year. It appears that the kind of roaming agreement between the two carriers includes phone and basic data, but not Wimax.
Any ideas?
If they had any brains they'd do a raoming agreement for that, too, getting them both much greater Wimax coverage much more quickly. But there I go again, expecting intelligence from a service provider...
Thank you for your time.
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Verizon does not have Wimax.. they use LTE
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Verizon does not have Wimax.. they use LTE
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Sorry, I was made to understand that this was their Wimax. I'll take it from your response that though it may be a comparable service, it works in a different, non-compatible way.
I posted a question last week about how we could find out when we may be getting wimax in NOLA. Nobody seems to know so I am not holding my breath. Kinda sucks watching all these cities getting wimax and paying the $10 per phone every month without even a hint of when it may be coming.
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I posted a question last week about how we could find out when we may be getting wimax in NOLA. Nobody seems to know so I am not holding my breath. Kinda sucks watching all these cities getting wimax and paying the $10 per phone every month without even a hint of when it may be coming.
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Downtown NOLA has WiMax, Sprint just hasn't announced it yet. It is only in the downtown area though. I assume their probably still doing network testing or waiting for all of NOLA to be covered before they announce it to the public.
Found out about it yesterday and tried it out today. Was getting 5-6Mbps download and around 1Mbps upload earlier today. Though you won't find it on a Sprint coverage map (yet) you can see on clear.com what areas are covered in NOLA
Is there anyway to modify our wimax to receive both Sprint and clear's signal? It would help a lot of people out
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Is there anyway to modify our wimax to receive both Sprint and clear's signal? It would help a lot of people out
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I thought Sprint already uses Clear's signal? They are using Clear's network for it.
btw, the Evo's autocorrect fails to recognize the phone's name
Lolz just noticed the error in the title. As for the clear signal deal yes and no I have a clear tower no less than one mile from my house but I don't get wimax in my house hence it doesn't recognize clear's network so sprint uses there network but is on a different channel so Sprint has less area's with wimax.
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doubt this is possible and btw clear uses sprint for 4g sprint owns a large if not all of clear that is how they have the 4g hotspot
Nope.
Clearwire and Sprint are 2 separates companies. Sprint DOES NOT own their own 4G network (well unless you count the 54% ownership). They sell Clear service like all other authorized resellers.
Also as another note. Clear is not on all Sprint towers. In fact most of thier site are separate for any Sprint asset.
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Nope.
Clearwire and Sprint are 2 separates companies. Sprint DOES NOT own their own 4G network (well unless you count the 54% ownership). They sell Clear service like all other authorized resellers.
Also as another note. Clear is not on all Sprint towers. In fact most of thier site are separate for any Sprint asset.
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This is correct. And if you've been following the news about these two companies, they are currently about as functional as a bad marriage that is simply staying together because neither currently has a better option.
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Nope.
Clearwire and Sprint are 2 separates companies. Sprint DOES NOT own their own 4G network (well unless you count the 54% ownership). They sell Clear service like all other authorized resellers.
Also as another note. Clear is not on all Sprint towers. In fact most of thier site are separate for any Sprint asset.
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that is why i was wondering if there was a way to tweek the wimax to pick up clear's signal it would make alot of people with out 4g on sprint happy i for one would be but so far this has become a debate on wether sprint runs on thier own towers or clear's. The questions still remains can it be done i would love a developers stand point on this
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that is why i was wondering if there was a way to tweek the wimax to pick up clear's signal it would make alot of people with out 4g on sprint happy i for one would be but so far this has become a debate on wether sprint runs on thier own towers or clear's. The questions still remains can it be done i would love a developers stand point on this
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Sprint does not have any 4G towers. None. So no, there is no way to tweak your phone so that it can connect to both Sprint and Clear's 4G towers (again, because Sprint has none). All of the towers you are using for 4G belong to Clear and, I believe, you are not limited to a select number of theirs towers. Therefore, you are already picking up Clear's towers on their network. In fact, if you talk to Clearwire they will tell you that the Evo and Epic are actually Clear's phones that they are piloting on Sprint before rolling out their cell business. This is one of the reasons the relationship is so strained between the two companies right now. Sprint does not want to keep funding Clear because they are essentially funding a future rival - but it is hard not to because Clear needs money to keep extending 4G coverage.
Sorry for the long answer, but hope that makes sense. The answer to your question is....no
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Sprint does not have any 4G towers. None. So no, there is no way to tweak your phone so that it can connect to both Sprint and Clear's 4G towers (again, because Sprint has none). All of the towers you are using for 4G belong to Clear and, I believe, you are not limited to a select number of theirs towers. Therefore, you are already picking up Clear's towers on their network. In fact, if you talk to Clearwire they will tell you that the Evo and Epic are actually Clear's phones that they are piloting on Sprint before rolling out their cell business. This is one of the reasons the relationship is so strained between the two companies right now. Sprint does not want to keep funding Clear because they are essentially funding a future rival - but it is hard not to because Clear needs money to keep extending 4G coverage.
Sorry for the long answer, but hope that makes sense. The answer to your question is....no
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There finally an answer but I still believe sprint runs on a different channel not every one gets wimax I know but there are some like myself who live next to a clear tower and don't get 4g
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Yes dial ##data# enter msl code. select wimax and change realm to clearwire-wmx.net rumor has it if you pay the $10 1 day
pass and it will continue after that.
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Yes dial ##data# enter msl code. select wimax and change realm to clearwire-wmx.net rumor has it if you pay the $10 1 day
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Anyone done this and can confirm it?
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Yes dial ##data# enter msl code. select wimax and change realm to clearwire-wmx.net rumor has it if you pay the $10 1 day
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First time I've heard of this.
If its a new tower you may just need to wait for an update from sprint. Last time a bunch of people said they started getting 4g where they never did before. I wouldn't pay anything extra because you are already paying for it.
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mardukeme said:
Yes dial ##data# enter msl code. select wimax and change realm to clearwire-wmx.net rumor has it if you pay the $10 1 day
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does anyone know by chance where to edit the realm on the epic?
there is no wimax menu using ##data#
or maybe this is just another fail of the dk28 early froyo release
edit: found the realm (hit view after ##data# (i kept pressing 'edit'))
nai isn't on the same menu for the epic however
still trying to figure that out - maybe NAP-ID?
NAP-ID is usually a non changing number like 2 or 4...but when wimax is connecting it shows the full realm
a bit confusing
Hey guys,
I noticed that my address is covered in Clearwire's 4g coverage map--strong coverage too--but it's not covered in Sprint's. Does anyone know how long it will take Sprint to actually extend 4g to my location?
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Hey guys,
I noticed that my address is covered in Clearwire's 4g coverage map--strong coverage too--but it's not covered in Sprint's. Does anyone know how long it will take Sprint to actually extend 4g to my location?
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Clearwire just came out with a new router that pumps 4g into your house like a mini-tower. It also does wifi. If you have wifi I dont know what you would want 4g, but there it is.
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Clearwire just came out with a new router that pumps 4g into your house like a mini-tower. It also does wifi. If you have wifi I dont know what you would want 4g, but there it is.
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Problem with that is you have to pay an extra $35/month, plus the $120 for the new router (or $7/month to rent it).
Here's the truth: Sprint's maps are slower to update, whereas Clear updates theirs almost every day. Also, while Clear might have service in your area now, Sprint won't let you sign on to it until they make the "official" announcement that they're rolling out to your area. Same thing happened here in Sacramento, and right now in my neighborhood.
I wonder if there is a way to hack our phones to be able to use Clears WiMax signal on the Evo........Hmmmmm.......(Im in a 4G area already so its pretty redundant.....but still, this could be useful to somebody.)
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Problem with that is you have to pay an extra $35/month, plus the $120 for the new router (or $7/month to rent it).
Here's the truth: Sprint's maps are slower to update, whereas Clear updates theirs almost every day. Also, while Clear might have service in your area now, Sprint won't let you sign on to it until they make the "official" announcement that they're rolling out to your area. Same thing happened here in Sacramento, and right now in my neighborhood.
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Yeah, I figured. I get good 4g coverage about a block away from my house--I live in LA county and LA's 4g coverage was recently made official. When I look at Sprint's coverage map, my address is almost covered, but I'm still a little away from that sweet, sweet blue. Any idea how long it will take Sprint to make my address "official," seeing as how Clear has already extended its coverage to my house?
Official Sprint Answer:
Sprint is committed to delivering the highest quality network experience. Our Network Vision plan will improve your network experience, but it does not include any EVDO Rev B launch. Sprint has evaluated EVDO Rev B and chosen to go directly to 4G connections. Since we are not launching EVDO Rev B, none of our handsets supports EVDO Rev B.
It looks like maybe no Rev. B after all. Hopefully they'll push 4G LTE and keep going.
FINALLY! Thank goodness. Let's stick a fork in this horse.
BTW, where is your source? (I know others will ask)
Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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What good is speed if hardly anybody can get it? Give me more coverage!
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Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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not surprising that a Sprint rep would say that..unfortunately, the truth seems to be just the opposite in the real world, based on everything I have read about Verizons LTE, and my friends who have it say the same thing..makes Sprints non sense look lame compared to it..
and just like i said in the other thread.....you people were freaking out over a baseless rumor
now how many of these idiots actually turned there phones back in
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Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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getting your info from a sprint rep is like getting info from sarah palin about the economy....
Neither the LTE that's being rolled out by Verizon and ATT or sprints current Wimax meet the international standard that 4g is supposed to be.
But the LTE technologies being rolled out are a step in the right direction.
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What good is speed if hardly anybody can get it? Give me more coverage!
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Word! I'll take any form of 4G in San Diego, even if I have to follow a donkey around with a WiMax tower, built by a few guys behind a 7-11 with straws and Big Gulp cups, strapped to its back.
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Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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That is simply idiotic. It makes no sense.
Sprint's WiMax implementation sucks. Putting LTE on those same frequencies would also suck. Maybe worse.
It's not the protocol it's the spectrum. Clearwire/Sprint's WiMax is on a handful of razor-thin bands on high frequencies. It's not surprising that it sucks so much and the word "WiMax" has nothing to do with it.
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and just like i said in the other thread.....you people were freaking out over a baseless rumor
now how many of these idiots actually turned there phones back in
Haha right. All that bull**** about rev b and the **** ain't even happening. U said it correctly. The people who returned their phones based on that are IDIOTS
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Wimax doesn't HAVE to be any worse than LTE or suck -- Clear just did a crap job of deploying the most minimal subset of the standard possible. WiMax CAN do soft hand-offs... Clear just didn't bother buying the software license to enable it to work, and instead chose to deploy them the cheapest way possible, and configured them to act like wifi access points that just happen to have ~1km footprints).
There's nothing magic about Verizon's LTE -- they have more backhaul, and allocated more bandwidth to it than Clear did. Sprint LTE can suck every bit as badly as Sprint/Clear Wimax does, and it won't be any more compatible with AT&T or Verizon's LTE than Sprint phones are with their 3G service.
LTE's standard-ness is wildly over-hyped, and almost completely meaningless in the US. In Europe and Asia, it might matter and mean something. Unfortunately, America's wireless phone market is as messed up as Japan's, and unlikely to ever change. If Sprint bought and merged with T-Mobile, and deployed a nationwide unified network with CDMA2000 voice & 1xRTT, legacy GSM & GPRS/EDGE, EVDO (rev.A, B, and Advanced), WiMax, AND LTE... AT&T and Verizon would still manage to find ways to be incompatible with it and each other, because they don't WANT their networks to be commodity-like wireless pipes to the internet where consumers can switch service providers at will and without repercussions.
IMHO, the best thing Sprint could possibly DO right now is repurpose the Wimax for backhaul, and use it to fully saturate their EVDO spectrum (and, once the furor over rev.B dies down, quietly enable and advertise it with some stupid name like "Ultim8 Vision" since their new tower hardware is almost certainly capable of it). Deploying two separate loosely stapled-together data networks was just about the worst idea in mobile phone history, especially when you consider that the move was 100% marketing and had nothing to do with real-world performance.
In most places, unless you're having a picnic lunch outdoors next to the tower, you'd get better sustained performance from Rev.A with enough backhaul bandwidth to fully saturate it, let alone Rev.B -- and unlike Sprint's disastrous experiment with 4G, your phone wouldn't spend half its time madly thrashing back and forth between 3G and 4G trying to make up its mind which one it wants to use (leaving you without network access for 10-30 seconds or more each time). For proof, just look at T-Mobile in places like Chicago. Same un-sexy UMTS as before, but in places where they've put it to full use and squeezed every bit of performance out of it they can, it blows Sprint's 4G away in real-world usability.
Concise and all encompassing. I couldn't have said it better my self. Meaning I actually do not have it in my own capacity to say it better, or even as well, myself.
Your presence in our forum is an asset. You truly know what's up.
That said, I couldn't agree more...lol
I talked to a sprint from corp in lisa angeles he told me lte and wimax have almost the same speeds and lte can go further
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Just throwing this out there bit talked to a sprint rep at my local corporate store and guy said that lte is not faster than wimax infact wimax is true 4g and he told me that lte is like turning your volume to 11 and is just a little better than 3g. Said lte will most likely cover more areas but wimax is still a lot faster.
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Verizon's current LTE and Sprint's WIMAX are not true 4G. LTE Advanced and WIMAX 2 (802.16m) are the true 4G standards.
F that true 4g stuff. They are the 4th major data network type for their respectable providers
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Wimax doesn't HAVE to be any worse than LTE or suck -- Clear just did a crap job of deploying the most minimal subset of the standard possible. WiMax CAN do soft hand-offs... Clear just didn't bother buying the software license to enable it to work, and instead chose to deploy them the cheapest way possible, and configured them to act like wifi access points that just happen to have ~1km footprints).
There's nothing magic about Verizon's LTE -- they have more backhaul, and allocated more bandwidth to it than Clear did. Sprint LTE can suck every bit as badly as Sprint/Clear Wimax does, and it won't be any more compatible with AT&T or Verizon's LTE than Sprint phones are with their 3G service.
LTE's standard-ness is wildly over-hyped, and almost completely meaningless in the US. In Europe and Asia, it might matter and mean something. Unfortunately, America's wireless phone market is as messed up as Japan's, and unlikely to ever change. If Sprint bought and merged with T-Mobile, and deployed a nationwide unified network with CDMA2000 voice & 1xRTT, legacy GSM & GPRS/EDGE, EVDO (rev.A, B, and Advanced), WiMax, AND LTE... AT&T and Verizon would still manage to find ways to be incompatible with it and each other, because they don't WANT their networks to be commodity-like wireless pipes to the internet where consumers can switch service providers at will and without repercussions.
IMHO, the best thing Sprint could possibly DO right now is repurpose the Wimax for backhaul, and use it to fully saturate their EVDO spectrum (and, once the furor over rev.B dies down, quietly enable and advertise it with some stupid name like "Ultim8 Vision" since their new tower hardware is almost certainly capable of it). Deploying two separate loosely stapled-together data networks was just about the worst idea in mobile phone history, especially when you consider that the move was 100% marketing and had nothing to do with real-world performance.
In most places, unless you're having a picnic lunch outdoors next to the tower, you'd get better sustained performance from Rev.A with enough backhaul bandwidth to fully saturate it, let alone Rev.B -- and unlike Sprint's disastrous experiment with 4G, your phone wouldn't spend half its time madly thrashing back and forth between 3G and 4G trying to make up its mind which one it wants to use (leaving you without network access for 10-30 seconds or more each time). For proof, just look at T-Mobile in places like Chicago. Same un-sexy UMTS as before, but in places where they've put it to full use and squeezed every bit of performance out of it they can, it blows Sprint's 4G away in real-world usability.
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Clears coverage could be the exact same as Verizon's LTE and it would still be garbage due to the frequency its on.
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Tuffgong4 said:
Verizon's current LTE and Sprint's WIMAX are not true 4G. LTE Advanced and WIMAX 2 (802.16m) are the true 4G standards.
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Do you think consumers give a damn about this? Honestly...
bitbang3r said:
Wimax doesn't HAVE to be any worse than LTE or suck -- Clear just did a crap job of deploying the most minimal subset of the standard possible. WiMax CAN do soft hand-offs... Clear just didn't bother buying the software license to enable it to work, and instead chose to deploy them the cheapest way possible, and configured them to act like wifi access points that just happen to have ~1km footprints).
There's nothing magic about Verizon's LTE -- they have more backhaul, and allocated more bandwidth to it than Clear did. Sprint LTE can suck every bit as badly as Sprint/Clear Wimax does, and it won't be any more compatible with AT&T or Verizon's LTE than Sprint phones are with their 3G service.
LTE's standard-ness is wildly over-hyped, and almost completely meaningless in the US. In Europe and Asia, it might matter and mean something. Unfortunately, America's wireless phone market is as messed up as Japan's, and unlikely to ever change. If Sprint bought and merged with T-Mobile, and deployed a nationwide unified network with CDMA2000 voice & 1xRTT, legacy GSM & GPRS/EDGE, EVDO (rev.A, B, and Advanced), WiMax, AND LTE... AT&T and Verizon would still manage to find ways to be incompatible with it and each other, because they don't WANT their networks to be commodity-like wireless pipes to the internet where consumers can switch service providers at will and without repercussions.
IMHO, the best thing Sprint could possibly DO right now is repurpose the Wimax for backhaul, and use it to fully saturate their EVDO spectrum (and, once the furor over rev.B dies down, quietly enable and advertise it with some stupid name like "Ultim8 Vision" since their new tower hardware is almost certainly capable of it). Deploying two separate loosely stapled-together data networks was just about the worst idea in mobile phone history, especially when you consider that the move was 100% marketing and had nothing to do with real-world performance.
In most places, unless you're having a picnic lunch outdoors next to the tower, you'd get better sustained performance from Rev.A with enough backhaul bandwidth to fully saturate it, let alone Rev.B -- and unlike Sprint's disastrous experiment with 4G, your phone wouldn't spend half its time madly thrashing back and forth between 3G and 4G trying to make up its mind which one it wants to use (leaving you without network access for 10-30 seconds or more each time). For proof, just look at T-Mobile in places like Chicago. Same un-sexy UMTS as before, but in places where they've put it to full use and squeezed every bit of performance out of it they can, it blows Sprint's 4G away in real-world usability.
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Very nicely put even though I am quite sad about no rev b which I think would be a good idea to help with speed and capacity they are applying 1x advanced which will help capacity issues and enable simultaneous voice and data which will be nice. But the combined tower spectrums once phones come out with chips that will take advantage of it it should increase data speeds and coverage greatly the problem now is the wait they need to hurry up and get every one off Nextel, and start the conversion.
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I would be more than happy if they just fixed Rev A to work at a reasonable speed like 1.5-2M (which is what Verizon is providing in my area).
As to "true" 4G, I don't think anybody really cares, they just want something that works, not some experiment where you turn it on to run speed tests and brag to your friends, then turn it off because your battery will die or because you don't get signals indoors.
Gotta love how in all the discussion about frequency strength, frequency distance, speed, technology etc; people tend to forget the meaning of G in 2g, 3g and 4g is GENERATION.
To arbitrarily define how fast something should be to be considered a new "generation" should be insulting and stupid to pretty much everyone. It'd be like saying Generation X were just Baby Boomers 2g because they weren't good enough to be their own generation.
Put a sock in it. 4th generation of mobile networks = 4g. Nuff said.
AbsolutZeroGI said:
Gotta love how in all the discussion about frequency strength, frequency distance, speed, technology etc; people tend to forget the meaning of G in 2g, 3g and 4g is GENERATION.
To arbitrarily define how fast something should be to be considered a new "generation" should be insulting and stupid to pretty much everyone. It'd be like saying Generation X were just Baby Boomers 2g because they weren't good enough to be their own generation.
Put a sock in it. 4th generation of mobile networks = 4g. Nuff said.
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"Quoted for the truth"
LOVE the "Baby Boomers 2G analogy"!
I guess all the BS marketing hype by the phone carriers has actually worked on the mindless lemmings that walk among us..
Thinking about getting an EVO 4g and wondering if there are any roms, or other ways to get to the Wimax settings so I can change them from Sprint to a local company?
On another note I would be flashing this to work with PagePlus, but I think that is beside the point of my main question.
I'm 99% sure there is no wimax roaming, the radio in the evo is set to only receive sprint's signal.
You can change using ##data# if u have ur MSL, but then again u would only be able to change it if u have an account with Clear (or is it Clearwire?)
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desertegl said:
You can change using ##data# if u have ur MSL, but then again u would only be able to change it if u have an account with Clear (or is it Clearwire?)
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Same thing basically. And not like you could switch to roam on verizon, because they use LTE, different technology with frequencies.
Hey,
Just like Teh said,
The evo uses wimax to give us 4g, only the big name networks are getting 4g right now and even that is all going to be running off an lte network because it is going to be fast better range and more reliable, sprint even ditched wimax technology and if you dont have 4g coverage now most likely you will never get wimax coverage, sprint decided to go to the lte as well just for easy of use.
Now while this sucks for us evo users :/ it is good in the long run because since lte is a certain frequency and many cell companies are using it now it should mean for a stronger more reliable 4g network in due time! as long as sprint does things right that is!
I hope I helped if I did please hit the thanks button!
Stevo
Guys please please read the entire post or atleast read it till you understand.
He wants to know if he can switch to a LOCAL Company. OTHER COMPANIES besides sprint and clear/clearwire offer WiMAX just using different settings to connect to their services.
He doesn't want to roam.
He wants to connect his phone probably using an account with the other company...
cmsjr123 said:
Guys please please read the entire post or atleast read it till you understand.
He wants to know if he can switch to a LOCAL Company. OTHER COMPANIES besides sprint and clear/clearwire offer WiMAX just using different settings to connect to their services.
He doesn't want to roam.
He wants to connect his phone probably using an account with the other company...
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Exactly. Local company. I don't care about Sprint/Verizon/ATT 4G.
stevovanburen said:
Hey,
Just like Teh said,
The evo uses wimax to give us 4g, only the big name networks are getting 4g right now and even that is all going to be running off an lte network because it is going to be fast better range and more reliable, sprint even ditched wimax technology and if you dont have 4g coverage now most likely you will never get wimax coverage, sprint decided to go to the lte as well just for easy of use.
Now while this sucks for us evo users :/ it is good in the long run because since lte is a certain frequency and many cell companies are using it now it should mean for a stronger more reliable 4g network in due time! as long as sprint does things right that is!
I hope I helped if I did please hit the thanks button!
Stevo
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Sprint is adding LTE finally!
So basically there's no way to get the EVO on a wimax network other than Sprint's? Just to clarify...
Evo 4G wimax with local providor
hello
I'm interested into this subject too,
we have a local Wimax company here in Libya and I'd like to edit my Evo 4G's Wimax settings and insert the Local CO.'s data,
I rooted my Evo 4G (thanks to you XDA-Developers)
I could get into the wimax by ##3282# menu
the 3 main things that are needed to change from Sprint (I guess) are :
User name
Password
Wimax certificate
and I don't think that the Hardware's frequencies are editable (but I'm not quite sure)
anyway...the ##3282# menu didn't help and there's no way that I can put my local CO.'s certificate.
do you know what system files that contain the Wimax data and where to find them?
thanks
Hishamds said:
hello
I'm interested into this subject too,
we have a local Wimax company here in Libya and I'd like to edit my Evo 4G's Wimax settings and insert the Local CO.'s data,
I rooted my Evo 4G (thanks to you XDA-Developers)
I could get into the wimax by ##3282# menu
the 3 main things that are needed to change from Sprint (I guess) are :
User name
Password
Wimax certificate
and I don't think that the Hardware's frequencies are editable (but I'm not quite sure)
anyway...the ##3282# menu didn't help and there's no way that I can put my local CO.'s certificate.
do you know what system files that contain the Wimax data and where to find them?
thanks
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see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447615
you can set it up on another network. i checked and in my area there is no winmax so this is no help to me but if you got clearwire service then i think you can do it.?