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Are there any rumors on when we will se a sucessor to he HTC Universal? How it will look like and what features it will have?
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Are there any rumors on when we will se a sucessor to he HTC Universal? How it will look like and what features it will have?
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The HTC Universal is the most expensive in all phones. It has the best hardware compared to other phones. Looking at the current price a $1500 or more wouldnt be much appreciated. Plus all additional upgrades would result to a bulkier successor which is also not appreciated. The length of the Universal was good but it is too bulky in width. Sharp and Sanyo are known to make very slim devices, i wouldnt be surprised if they came up with something.
I never checked the dimensions of this device when i bought it. Even if i knew the bad dimensions of this device i wouldnt have given it up. XDA FLAME is really good but HTC Universal is way better. I have never gone back on my laptop after i got this phone. Its so mobile.... i dont think a sucessor can be expected unless you are willing to pay 700-800 pounds for the new one which i am making.
A HTC sucessor to HTC Universal is most likely expected by late 2007 - early 2008. Plus check other threads on the forum. A lot of discussion is going on about this already.
HTC Athena is the next logical successor.
Yes it's bigger, but only if you use the case with the detachable keyboard. If you carry the device alone, it's about the same size as the Universal.
Estimated SIM free price is $1500, but considering the Universal is still $1000 after a year, that's not too bad.
It will likely be released as the flagship model running Crossbow, as the Universal was with WM5. So that puts it sometime at the middle of 2007 probably.
AlanJC said:
HTC Athena is the next logical successor.
Yes it's bigger, but only if you use the case with the detachable keyboard. If you carry the device alone, it's about the same size as the Universal.
Estimated SIM free price is $1500, but considering the Universal is still $1000 after a year, that's not too bad.
It will likely be released as the flagship model running Crossbow, as the Universal was with WM5. So that puts it sometime at the middle of 2007 probably.
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omg... thats too bulky... crazy... keyboard is a must... wait..its like those slate tablet pc's .. actually this might be a rip off. hows the hardware on HTC Athena...err Athena just sounds wrong by the name of it GODDESS lol. Will the phone be white like the ipod - because white/skyblue colours = athena background. Alright so the keyboard isnt that much of a necessity but its still bulky considering its only a slate, see the MotionComputing LE1600 Tablet PC. I want something like that. Its so unique and its features cannot be slightly accused of. Even the Universal is perfect, I expect a successor to look like the IPOD! With a bigger screen , slim and really stainless steel metallic ooh sexy! Oh ya a big camera at the back with autofocus lenses black! I wouldnt mind to buy it from i-mate or htc directly... i hope orange or t-mobile dont touch it! Now i would even pay $2000 for this phone!
Still the HTC Universal is topping the market. I dont think the HTC Athena will be able to compete for long
Here. Something that looks like that madness HTC Athena.
http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/articles/htc-athena-en.shtml <--- lol i would never buy that junk because i already have experience with something like that.
That actually looks like my slate Tablet PC. See this PDF document.
http://www.motioncomputing.com/resources/LE_convert_key_pics.pdf
Now do you believe me? Oh ya i spent $5000 on my tablet PC. It was worth it.
It's still roughly the same size as the Universal. Same length and thickness, just a bit wider, but the screen is bigger and brighter VGA display instead so that's understandable.
I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the Athena being so huge.
Anyone that is prepared to carry a Universal around with them will not mind that little extra width for everything extra they will get.
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It's still roughly the same size as the Universal. Same length and thickness, just a bit wider, but the screen is bigger and brighter VGA display instead so that's understandable.
I really don't understand why people are making such a big deal about the Athena being so huge.
Anyone that is prepared to carry a Universal around with them will not mind that little extra width for everything extra they will get.
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Like i said thats more of a tablet pc than a phone. Its losing the essence of a phone. lol
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Like i said thats more of a tablet pc than a phone. Its losing the essence of a phone. lol
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the universal is more sexier anyday
iv looked at it longer than i would hav seen a hot chic at a stretch
corleno said:
the universal is more sexier anyday
iv looked at it longer than i would hav seen a hot chic at a stretch
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See Alan i have someone who agrees to me.. the HTC Universal is way too sexy. Maybe Asukal/Akula whatever that guys name was .... that is hot too. Good job Corleno I am glad that you love your universal. Keep it as a gem and dont expect anything better for another year!
HTC Omni is next Universal
Hi guys,
all major gadget web site touted upcoming HTC Omni as the successor to Universal, UMPC is entirely different category that Sony & Samsung Q1 had launched repesentative product; UMPC is not successor to Universal. Do a serach at google you will find HTC Omni.
[X-Files] - HTC Roadmap 2007
http://www.hpc.ru/lib/arts/2258/
I really don't see the Omni being much of an *upgrade* from the Universal. HSDPA and size seem to be the only real benefits unless you want the video output. I had that with the backpack on my Himalaya, and only used it twice.
I still think the Athena looks like a fantastic device, but then I have never used a PPC phone as a phone for longer than a few days, I prefer them as mobile data devices, and keep a normal phone for SMS and calls.
One thing that deters me from accepting the HTC Athena is the detachable keyboard.
Can we collect all facts (and likely rumors) about the htc universal sucessor "htc omni" here? What specs will it have ? What OS will run on it ? aku 3.0 ? wm6 ? when can we buy it? will the consumer electronics show bring more facts?
Here. I really like the processor on this one. No good on RAM and ROM. Excellent device. Way better than Universal and cheaper!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=682
Let me know what you think.
I would like to buy this one and say this device is the true successor of the Universal. I have hopes of a better device though....
Asukal is designing the Anti-Universal for now which might well become the successor to all pocket-pc's. Once he is done I will post its pictures here and the hardware config.
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Here. I really like the processor on this one. No good on RAM and ROM. Excellent device. Way better than Universal and cheaper!
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=682
Let me know what you think.
I would like to buy this one and say this device is the true successor of the Universal. I have hopes of a better device though....
Asukal is designing the Anti-Universal for now which might well become the successor to all pocket-pc's. Once he is done I will post its pictures here and the hardware config.
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No GSM-UMTS
No keyboard....
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No GSM-UMTS
No keyboard....
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Well thats not good. How about this phone then?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=668
It has okay RAM and ROM. Not a great display. How are those Texas Intrument processors? Are they any good?
Double post, sorry.
To me to be a legitimate replacement for the Universal, it has to have the following:
1. Clam Shell Design. This is one of the main reason I bought the Universal which I don't think I would be willing to part with.
2. Faster Processor. Our current Universal performs OK especially with the modified ROMs and simply increasing the page pool for the Official ROMs. But they do need to increase it's processor speed.
3. MORE MEMORY. To me this is the most important thing. I find it limiting sometimes that after installing all my apps, I have to be content with about 15-20 MB of memory left.
4. VGA Screen and support.
5. Camera with at least 2MB resolution. As for the location, I prefer the rotating camera placed at the hinge similar to the Sony UX Series (Palm). This way we have the option of using it flat on the table or in clam shell mode taking pictures, even tablet mode is also possible.
6. Full USB support, similar to computers.
Some members might mention "SMALL SIZE", after getting used to my Universal, I don't mind the size any more. I'd rather have a decent size clam shell keyboard to type with.
"INCREASED BATTERY CAPACITY" again, not important to me because many manufacturers create a bigger capacity battery anyway, so they basically have to concentrate on these 6 request.
Regarding the battery. I like the Mugen 4800mAh battery. The thing i like the most about the 4800mAh Mugen battery is that it has a nice battery housing. I found it to be at an average price of $200 USD. Does anyone know a place where i can get it cheaper? $100-$150 is nice.
Also I was looking for an O2 XDA Exec Housing. I found it for $60 lowest price. Anyone know where i can get it for cheaper? Or would anyone like to trade me their O2 XDA Exec Housing for the Orange SPV M5000 Housing
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
With WP7, the specs are all standardized. The options are pretty much personal decisions..
How much storage do you want?
Do you value a physical keyboard?
Which do you think looks the best?
How big of a screen do you want?
What models will work on your carrier (this will probably limit you the most)?
Noone can answer those questions for you. The things that would affect longevity (CPU, RAM) are all standard on WP7 so really won't differ much if at all.
richard1978 said:
hi with all the leaks of the new mobiles that are to be released which one is going to be the best 1 to get thats gonna keeps me going for at least 2 years.
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go with hTC Hd3~ haha
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
I looking for more of a Touch Pro3 type device. Although I would love to see a 4"+ screen with a slide out keyboard.
I'll probably end up with a Samsung whenever I decide to switch. I don't know what it is, but I always ended up with a Samsung in my pocket for the last 4-5 years now.
I went from the Samsung i630 -> i760 -> Omnia II (i920)
Probably has to do more with Verizon being my provider than any affinity I have for Samsung.
what I'm wondering, .I'm from the netherlands, and also wantto buy it in october, but the dutch version won't be there then yet. So, can I also buy the english version here, or do I need to export it?
cheers
vic
richard1978 said:
question is when is the hd3 gonna be released? One things for sure i dont want a small screen nothing less than 3.8 but would prefer 4 and above
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According to pdadb.net the HTC Mondrian/Schubert /Mozart's predecessor model is the HD2, so basically, this will be the HD3.
pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2388&c=htc_mondrian__schubert__mozart
But to answer your question, RustyGrom couldn't have said it any better, but the best thing to do right now is not to get into any contracts until at least November, I just canceled Sprint and now have and HD2 with T-Mob, contract less...
I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I must say all those leaked devices recently look very bad.
Besides Dell Lightning.
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I liked the square Asus was it...there was something else square that looked nice...was it another Samsung maybe? But it's weird...that samsung taylor prototype look has grown on me, lol. But I can't wait to see reviews instead of leaks.
PDADB?
Is there another site that organizes the upcoming models better?
Well, as always Sprint is last to get a phone. The only positive is lately Sprint has the best looking and performing phones out (Evo and Epic). I hope this trend continues and Sprint drops a real monster this winter.
There is a decent round up here...
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/35093/windows-phone-7-launch-phones
now we know the models that are being released which is gonna be best, now im more prone to the hd7 or the omnia 7 manly being screen size not sure which yet. So which would you pick and why?
I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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I'm partial to the Samsungs with the S-AMOLED screens. WP7, even more than other OSes, looks great on a AMOLED screen.
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ditto - plus SD card support as well if that pans out.
From people who have had hands-on sessions and the lucky few who have received their review units already, I've been hearing Mozart and Omnia are the nicest. The general consensus seems to be that the HD7 doesn't feel quite right, too big, too shiny and WP7 somehow feels better on the smaller screens.
The Trophy seems to be winning a lot of praise too, though I think that's on the presumption that it will be quite a bit cheaper than the Mozart.
Yeah the Mozart is a very nice looking device. My only concern is no SAMOLED. I agree with the above post about WP7 looking best with an AMOLED screen. However, I'm not too sure I want a phone with Samsung's build quality. Decisions.. decisions..
The LG phones actually look good in the reviews Ive seen which is a bit of a shocker as Ive never like LG for phones that much in the past...
Well... I prefer the HD7... it just looks like THE WP7 device... it just stands out, that gorgeous 4.3 inch screen? that beautiful camera(2 LED!), the stand! the other devices are small and weak... the Dell one just looks ugly(I thought it looked like the BlackBerry Style)
Still, speed is no issue with any of them...
I have a few concerns with blindly pulling the trigger on a phone I have never held in my hand. That said, that is exactly what I did with my Nexus One and I am extremely happy with the device, as it has been my favorite phone yet. I am a bit concerned with a few features/defects of the Galaxy Nexus and I would appreciate the input from owners. I have been lurking throughout the threads here and have not found a quick, consolidated list of the questions I would like answers to:
1) Weight - Is it cheap feeling? How does it compare to the N1?
2) No external storage - Is this a limiting factor for some of you? Has this been a showstopping (lack of a) feature for some of you?
3) Samsung vs HTC - I'd appreciate input from someone who has owned both devices, as I have only owned HTC phones. I have bashed Samsung in the past for being cheap and I would like a neutral standpoint from others.
4) Lack of future support for the N1 - Is ICS worth the purchase?
5) Defects - I've read about a lot of the defects that have been posted in the threads and I would like to know if there are any stop-get defects that would prevent one from purchasing this device or any that have caused a person to return for a refund.
6) Internal RAM - I find myself constantly killing processes and fighting for memory to keep some stuff running. Are any GN users dealing with something like this?
7) Purchasing - From personal preference, would it be easier or less of a hassle purchasing from one retailer than another? Handtec vs eXpansys?
8) Speed - Does the GN operate fully functional on T-Mo's 42mbps network?
I know a lot of these are going to be user preference and potentially biased responses, but I would appreciate whatever you all have to share.
Thanks.
I'll answer what I can:
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1) Weight - Is it cheap feeling? How does it compare to the N1?
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It certainly feels less dense than the N1 felt, but I think it feels just as solid (no creaking, give, or apparent fragility). It is plastic and you can tell it, but it does not feel gimmicky.
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2) No external storage - Is this a limiting factor for some of you? Has this been a showstopping (lack of a) feature for some of you?
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Other than my original 8GB card in my G1, I don't think I have ever maxed out a card; including the internal storage 16GB in my Atrix. I thought it would/will be a big deal, but honestly right now I can't see it being a problem. But then again I don't keep my entire music/video library on my phone either. If that is truly important to you than you may want to reconsider.
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3) Samsung vs HTC - I'd appreciate input from someone who has owned both devices, as I have only owned HTC phones. I have bashed Samsung in the past for being cheap and I would like a neutral standpoint from others.
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I have had both the N1 and this GN, and as I have stated elsewhere in my experience thus far this is an exceptionally solid device. The screen is great, the weight is well-balanced (lightweight and fairly evenly distributed so I don't feel like it will fall out of my hand), I really can't fault the quality. The battery cover is pretty flimsy though- but I don't really see it as a problem, as its sole function is to be a panel that protects the battery/SIM and is not structural.
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4) Lack of future support for the N1 - Is ICS worth the purchase?
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I worried about this too, but ICS really is quite a step up. Only you can decide if it is worth it, but for me it was.
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5) Defects - I've read about a lot of the defects that have been posted in the threads and I would like to know if there are any stop-get defects that would prevent one from purchasing this device or any that have caused a person to return for a refund.
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I do not notice any screen defects, and I don't think any of the other defects that do not hinder everyday performance would really bother me. My camera lens is slightly off center, but it does not seem to affect my photos, so until there is a problem, I guess I don't have one.
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6) Internal RAM - I find myself constantly killing processes and fighting for memory to keep some stuff running. Are any GN users dealing with something like this?
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Nope (not yet at least, but last night I did open the app switcher and was amazed at how much was in memory and how it did not affect performance at all)
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7) Purchasing - From personal preference, would it be easier or less of a hassle purchasing from one retailer than another? Handtec vs eXpansys?
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I used eXpansys-usa because they have an office here, but I would imagine both are equally good.
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8) Speed - Does the GN operate fully functional on T-Mo's 42mbps network?
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On AT&T's HSPA+ I get the same speeds as my Atrix (HSPA+ device) got before. I think I had read somewhere that the radio in it has a theoretical max of 21 MBPS, but that might not be right...
I hope at least some of that helps
GN is outstanding in every way compared to N1. I don't know why people are so against Samsung for their plastics, they are able to make the most powerful and thinnest smart phones on the planet.
The galaxy nexus is fantastic. the resolution is superb and ice cream sandwich is really special.
Plus, the battery life has been really amazing.
Also my data speeds have been comparable to my iphone 4S, which is to say I am getting around 8 megabytes down in certain areas. I am on at&t in new york
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
s.m.knipe said:
I'll answer what I can:
It certainly feels less dense than the N1 felt, but I think it feels just as solid (no creaking, give, or apparent fragility). It is plastic and you can tell it, but it does not feel gimmicky.
Other than my original 8GB card in my G1, I don't think I have ever maxed out a card; including the internal storage 16GB in my Atrix. I thought it would/will be a big deal, but honestly right now I can't see it being a problem. But then again I don't keep my entire music/video library on my phone either. If that is truly important to you than you may want to reconsider.
I have had both the N1 and this GN, and as I have stated elsewhere in my experience thus far this is an exceptionally solid device. The screen is great, the weight is well-balanced (lightweight and fairly evenly distributed so I don't feel like it will fall out of my hand), I really can't fault the quality. The battery cover is pretty flimsy though- but I don't really see it as a problem, as its sole function is to be a panel that protects the battery/SIM and is not structural.
I worried about this too, but ICS really is quite a step up. Only you can decide if it is worth it, but for me it was.
I do not notice any screen defects, and I don't think any of the other defects that do not hinder everyday performance would really bother me. My camera lens is slightly off center, but it does not seem to affect my photos, so until there is a problem, I guess I don't have one.
Nope (not yet at least, but last night I did open the app switcher and was amazed at how much was in memory and how it did not affect performance at all)
I used eXpansys-usa because they have an office here, but I would imagine both are equally good.
On AT&T's HSPA+ I get the same speeds as my Atrix (HSPA+ device) got before. I think I had read somewhere that the radio in it has a theoretical max of 21 MBPS, but that might not be right...
I hope at least some of that helps
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I appreciate your thorough, in-depth response. I have pulled the trigger and also ordered from eXpansys. I'm glad to see that you are happy with your upgrade from an N1, as I am starting to have some screen/power/memory issues that are just becoming bothersome.
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I appreciate your thorough, in-depth response. I have pulled the trigger and also ordered from eXpansys. I'm glad to see that you are happy with your upgrade from an N1, as I am starting to have some screen/power/memory issues that are just becoming bothersome.
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Sure!
First I ran into coverage issues with T-mo (moved back to my hometown after school), so I switched to AT&T, then I hit the memory issue, battled that for a while until the Craptivate came out, then became a phone whore for the past year, but I can see myself settling down with the GN for a long while.
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Sure!
First I ran into coverage issues with T-mo (moved back to my hometown after school), so I switched to AT&T, then I hit the memory issue, battled that for a while until the Craptivate came out, then became a phone whore for the past year, but I can see myself settling down with the GN for a long while.
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Yeah, I went from a nokia to the G1 to the N1. I don't float around as much as I could. I like sticking with Nexus-line devices. I am most concerned about the integrity of the build, as I have always been a huge fan of the build quality of HTC devices (The n1, specifically). I've had many friends drop their Samsung devices once and completely shatter the screen. I've dropped my N1 face first on my tiled bathroom floor from four feet and it survived. That is stupid luck, remarkable build quality, or a combination of both.
I also like buying the unlocked, off-contract version in the event that AT&T either acquires t-mo or t-mo flat-out dies. Either way, I'm sure I'll be an AT&T customer sometime in the next three years. I do like t-mo though
Bumping for more user input.
i went from nexus one to nexus s to nexus prime. i was never fully on board with the nexus s, but i learned to like it. the nexus prime really does feel like a true successor to the nexus one. like someone mentioned before, it doesn't feel as "dense" as the nexus one, but that's to be expected. performance wise, you'll be positively giddy when you fly around ice cream sandwich on the prime. the nexus s really was a big performance step up from the nexus one and the nexus prime is about as big a step up. i felt the same way using this thing for the first time as i did when i got my nexus one. didn't get that with the nexus s.
that being said, this phone is no nexus one in terms of "panache". stupid, yes, but everyone's reactions to the nexus one when i handed it to them was "whoa". people were indifferent to the nexus s, and the only reaction i've gotten to the nexus prime is "holy ****, thing thing's immense" LOL. anyway, that's been my experience thus far. i do love this new nexus!
eric b
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i went from nexus one to nexus s to nexus prime. i was never fully on board with the nexus s, but i learned to like it. the nexus prime really does feel like a true successor to the nexus one. like someone mentioned before, it doesn't feel as "dense" as the nexus one, but that's to be expected. performance wise, you'll be positively giddy when you fly around ice cream sandwich on the prime. the nexus s really was a big performance step up from the nexus one and the nexus prime is about as big a step up. i felt the same way using this thing for the first time as i did when i got my nexus one. didn't get that with the nexus s.
that being said, this phone is no nexus one in terms of "panache". stupid, yes, but everyone's reactions to the nexus one when i handed it to them was "whoa". people were indifferent to the nexus s, and the only reaction i've gotten to the nexus prime is "holy ****, thing thing's immense" LOL. anyway, that's been my experience thus far. i do love this new nexus!
eric b
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I appreciate it. I think that is to be expected. When people saw my N1, the reaction was awesome. I think Android is so common now that the GN will not cause such a reaction.
dunno that i'd go that far. when they SEE the phone, they can only talk about how big it is. when they use it, they're quite into it. that's secondary, as the primary user, i think you'd like the prime quite a bit ;D
eric b
bennettm89 said:
I have a few concerns with blindly pulling the trigger on a phone I have never held in my hand. That said, that is exactly what I did with my Nexus One and I am extremely happy with the device, as it has been my favorite phone yet. I am a bit concerned with a few features/defects of the Galaxy Nexus and I would appreciate the input from owners. I have been lurking throughout the threads here and have not found a quick, consolidated list of the questions I would like answers to:
1) Weight - Is it cheap feeling? How does it compare to the N1?
2) No external storage - Is this a limiting factor for some of you? Has this been a showstopping (lack of a) feature for some of you?
3) Samsung vs HTC - I'd appreciate input from someone who has owned both devices, as I have only owned HTC phones. I have bashed Samsung in the past for being cheap and I would like a neutral standpoint from others.
4) Lack of future support for the N1 - Is ICS worth the purchase?
5) Defects - I've read about a lot of the defects that have been posted in the threads and I would like to know if there are any stop-get defects that would prevent one from purchasing this device or any that have caused a person to return for a refund.
6) Internal RAM - I find myself constantly killing processes and fighting for memory to keep some stuff running. Are any GN users dealing with something like this?
7) Purchasing - From personal preference, would it be easier or less of a hassle purchasing from one retailer than another? Handtec vs eXpansys?
8) Speed - Does the GN operate fully functional on T-Mo's 42mbps network?
I know a lot of these are going to be user preference and potentially biased responses, but I would appreciate whatever you all have to share.
Thanks.
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In the end, it really depends on your budget, how much you are willing to spend and how badly you want this phone in place of your nexus one. I bought the motorola milestone about 20 months ago and I can't bare using it any longer. There was no updates past 2.2 (froyo) but there were custom roms (port of CM7) to be used on that phone (had a 550mhz processor, 256mb ram, other horrible specs) but it could barely be considered usable. Now, it is 99% confirmed that there will be no more updates regarding ICS for my device (and even if there were, i doubt it would work well considering Gingerbread only barely works). For you, on the other hand, there will still be a developer update for Nexus One to ICS (or at least I presume so) so you might be okay another few months or until faster dual core or quad core phones come out. BUT, if you love the nexus line, access to the fastest updates and having one of the biggest developer bases of any phone, and first-hand access to a completely working version of ICS, it might be worth it for you. Again, it all depends on the user, what their needs are and what they want in their phone.
Personally I Love the GN more than I loved my N1 (& That was a LOT)
You won't be disappointed!
Had mine for 24 hours now. Here's my early take: (my answers follow the >>>>>> s)
bennettm89 said:
I have a few concerns with blindly pulling the trigger on a phone I have never held in my hand. That said, that is exactly what I did with my Nexus One and I am extremely happy with the device, as it has been my favorite phone yet. I am a bit concerned with a few features/defects of the Galaxy Nexus and I would appreciate the input from owners. I have been lurking throughout the threads here and have not found a quick, consolidated list of the questions I would like answers to:
1) Weight - Is it cheap feeling? How does it compare to the N1?
It certainly is lighter, and I do feel that I am more likely to drop it. Dunno if that counts as cheap-feeling. The textured back certainly helps. Moving from the Nokia N97 to the Nexus 1 two years ago I also felt that I was more likely to drop it. Perhaps the feeling of dropping it is becuase we are not use to the lighter phone.
2) No external storage - Is this a limiting factor for some of you? Has this been a showstopping (lack of a) feature for some of you?
>>>>>>> I thought long and hard about this (and complained about it a lot) Then I looked carefully at my actual usage and found that I played 8g of my music pretty often and the rest almost never. Thus, the combining the 16g on the GN with Google Music, Amazon Music Cloud and Audiogalaxy serving off my home computer will certainly cover me. I do not watch movies on my phones.
3) Samsung vs HTC - I'd appreciate input from someone who has owned both devices, as I have only owned HTC phones. I have bashed Samsung in the past for being cheap and I would like a neutral standpoint from others.
>>>>>>> I have had both. The Nexus 1 always felt more solid. The only thing more solid was the Nokia N9 8gb with the slightly rubberized feeling coating. My last Samsung was about 10 years ago so it was not a smartphone. It was rugged, though.
4) Lack of future support for the N1 - Is ICS worth the purchase?
>>>>>>>> In a word, yes. After a bit of a learning curve (eg. the new way of getting apps and widgets onto the home screens) you'll soon find your way. Fast camera too!
5) Defects - I've read about a lot of the defects that have been posted in the threads and I would like to know if there are any stop-get defects that would prevent one from purchasing this device or any that have caused a person to return for a refund.
>>>>>>> Too early to tell. But I've not been concerned yet.
6) Internal RAM - I find myself constantly killing processes and fighting for memory to keep some stuff running. Are any GN users dealing with something like this?
>>>>>>> This is the main reason I went to the GN. I have not had to use any task killer yet. I was so tired of having to wipe application caches to get rid of the low on memory messages. This is the one upside of the lack of SD card. There is *lots* of room for apps.
7) Purchasing - From personal preference, would it be easier or less of a hassle purchasing from one retailer than another? Handtec vs eXpansys?
>>>>>> I pre ordered with eXpansys on Nov 14th. When they had stock on 11/22 or 11/23 they asked permission to charge and confirmed how to send it. I chose free ground shipping and it arrived 11/26
8) Speed - Does the GN operate fully functional on T-Mo's 42mbps network?
>>>>>> Dunno yet. I haven't been one of those areas.
I know a lot of these are going to be user preference and potentially biased responses, but I would appreciate whatever you all have to share.
Thanks.
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As s.m.knipe made an excellent detailed report, I'll keep mine simple.
I recently upgraded my Nexus One to the Galaxy Nexus (there just wasn't anything better since the Nexus One), and I'm loving my device.
I was also worried about the cheapy plastic-feel of Samsung phones. But this one really feels nice. Feels lighter than the N1 but still has a good feel. Although as already stated, the battery cover is pretty flimsy :S but not really much of an issue in everyday use.
While I can understand the value of an SD Card, unless you're planning on carrying your music collection around, I prefer the onboard memory. It's plenty and faster
As for defects.. did you forget the long list of defects of the N1 when it came out? Most aren't so serious, the others, either a patch is coming or they just need to exchange it. As for mine, I haven't run into any issues.
And finally, on the european/canada model, the theoretical max is 21mbps (HSPA+). The Tmobile limit you're talkin about is the crazy dual band HSPA+. This phone doesn't have that.
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I have a few concerns with blindly pulling the trigger on a phone I have never held in my hand. That said, that is exactly what I did with my Nexus One and I am extremely happy with the device, as it has been my favorite phone yet. I am a bit concerned with a few features/defects of the Galaxy Nexus and I would appreciate the input from owners. I have been lurking throughout the threads here and have not found a quick, consolidated list of the questions I would like answers to:
7) Purchasing - From personal preference, would it be easier or less of a hassle purchasing from one retailer than another? Handtec vs eXpansys?
Thanks.
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Do not purchase from Handtec. Very unprofessional and dishonest company. You'll come out better ordering from anywhere else but them. Now if you enjoy being lied to and not communicated with about your order then by all means order from them..
While I would totally recommend buying the GN and have one pre-ordered myself, I have to say that in my experience it isn't the best idea to ask in a specific device's forum because no matter what device, the majority will always recommend it
I made this experience the hard way with my xperia x10 which then took over a year of official updates and (most of all) custom roms to become quite good.
That said, I can't tell where else to ask and the reviews here seem quite objective. Maybe i just got a little cautious
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While I would totally recommend buying the GN and have one pre-ordered myself, I have to say that in my experience it isn't the best idea to ask in a specific device's forum because no matter what device, the majority will always recommend it
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Lol so true. But as long as your concerns are answered and after hearing the opinion and it still doesn't bother you, then by all means buy the phone!
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these are my 2 pennies.
the star of the show is definite the ICS. as to be fair, the hardware are similar to any existing phones out there. RZAR, SGS2, etc etc.
the few points that are worth talk about are.
-build, it don't look like cheep plastic build, but they are in fact plastic build. that is my only complaint. they have a brilliant screen. a nice back plate (battery cover), but the bezel, if you look closely, is just made from plastic and if you examine even details, you can even see the different layer paint job done to it. so, those are the areas that is prone to scratch.
-no sd slot.
if you read somewhere some review from the designer, i actually vouch for what they have done. i would much prefer the 32gb version (because people are always greedy). the main star of this is, you nolonger need to move app to SD, as all storage lives under the hood as 1. all you apps get access to all 16gb at all time. hence they have to change the USB mount to MTP/PTP, where it provides storage access while the drives are mounted.
-task manager. this could not have been easier. if you looked at the GN launch presentation, the multi task button is also the task killer. its so easy to use. you just need to swipe to kill the apps. having say so, i have not really need to kill app to keep the phone running, at the moment, i kill the app hoping that it uses less battery (no prove to it. just doing it for the sake of it).
- speed, can't comment much on this, as i stay at areas with poor reception.
one last thing is.
this is one of the reason i recommend the Galaxy Nexus. is because of the screen design. the on screen virtual buttons.
google has set a new standard where android 3.0 and above will use virtual buttons. and so far, that is the only devices that uses it. another words, this phone will be more future prove than the others where there is always hard button on other devices. i believe in any future upgrades of android, it will always be this way onwards.
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GN is outstanding in every way compared to N1. I don't know why people are so against Samsung for their plastics, they are able to make the most powerful and thinnest smart phones on the planet.
The galaxy nexus is fantastic. the resolution is superb and ice cream sandwich is really special.
Plus, the battery life has been really amazing.
Also my data speeds have been comparable to my iphone 4S, which is to say I am getting around 8 megabytes down in certain areas. I am on at&t in new york
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Not to be an ass or anything, just thought i'd point out that 8Mb is not 8MegaBytes/s wich is really really fast! But rather 8Megabits/s wich is about 1MegaBytes/s
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I have been using the N1 for about a year and was looking for a replacement. While I must agree that the build quality doesn't seem to be on par with HTC I don't see it as a flimsy phone.
I have had the GN since Friday and must say that so far I have been impressed. ICS is different but so far great operating system.
I worried about the lack of external card but 16 gigs is alot of memory. I really don't think that I need the SD card.
If you liked your N1 I think you will like the GN
So I am sure I am not the only person who has (or had) a Vibrant. I am sure the development that is being done on the SGS2 is quality, but there isn't much in the way of quantity (which doesn't always mean much). Am I justified at all in worrying about all this? Does everyone feel satisfied with the amount of development going on for what is still a relatively new phone?
I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
I am trying to tell myself that with ICS I can hang onto my Vibrant a bit longer to wait for more options and such, but I want a new phone so bad, and right now the only obvious phone I can pick up easily is the GS2. I am just hesitant after the fiasco with the Vibrant. It's also been so long that it seems like I could wait it out just a tiny bit longer and get the next gen stuff.
(I know the argument about how you can always wait longer, but it has been months since the GS2 landed in the US and it will probably be a month before I am ready to buy a new phone with the holiday season upon us)
Unless you are willing to buy a Euro version of the Nexus outright, you'll be waiting atleast several months for it to be released by tmo. Not to mention if it comes spec'd the same as the vzw version, you won't have expandable memory. Cyanogen is actively devving for this phone and once we get ICS, I think it will be very competitive with the GN.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
No it can't be changed. You can mess with the density to make it look HD but I don't notice anything "low" about our resolution as it is. I love this phone.
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It is by no means low resolution.
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What about the low resolution of the phone? Can that be addressed by a new ROM or ICS?
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all the HD games tittle you see advertized are for our current resolution 480x800
480x800 has been considered HD for the longest time, for the past 3 years. it is a standard that all game developer codes for
if you read over the Galaxy Nexus forum the 720 resolution is causing havok on a lot of apps and games...
so go figure
on a side note, here some food for thoughts
DVD quality = 480x800
Blueray 1.0 quality = 720x1280
Blueray 2.0 quality = 1280x1080
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I was considering the Galaxy Nexus, just for the faster updates and solidarity (as opposed to having a different CPU than other similar phones), however the SGS2 hardware is tempting.
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read this while you are still considering it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362556
also there's an existing topic about SGN vs SGS2 T989 right here in the forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1372420
Galaxy nexus will be released in 3 days. I'm also tempted in using buyers remorse for the nexus. The sgs2 hardware is better IMHO. We'll be getting ics. Early 2012 we just gotta wait for a driver leak.
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well in Canada the GN is going to be released tomorrow http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19918706
but i'm not crazy enough to go line up for the first day of launch
specially when i'm not even in the mood to get that bug ridden phone, perhaps when they add microSD and a Quad core SOC to it, i'll probably go for it
To me it came down to cost. I had been waiting to upgrade my vibrant to the nexus prime forever. But word is that the nexus prime will cost $299 with full discount which means not only will I have to pay more per month to switch to verizon (currently paying $50 a month for unlimited with no contract), I would also have to pay more out of pocket for the initial device purchase (Ended up getting my GS2 for $380 new in box still no contract from craigslist)
That finally pushed me to go ahead and get a GS2.
I am still very concerned about ICS support. I also felt like the vibrant got screwed on gingerbread (GPS, bluetooth, and camera still suck on GB roms) so I am extremely worried about how ICS will end up. But I am fairly confident that ICS will eventually be released for the device officially (it will be later than they claim)
Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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Something people overlook is that the Galaxy S2 is THE best selling Android phone of all time. That means that it's going to be the de facto for Android development for some time to come. Developers will want to make apps that run well specifically on this phone. Remember, just because faster, more powerful phones are on the horizon doesn't mean that the GS2 will be obsolete any time soon.
I have no doubt that it will also be an overall better phone than the Nexus once it gets ICS. Yes the 720p display on the Nexus is nice, but unnecessary. It's a 4.65 inch screen, for Pete's sake. If you doubt the GS2 screen, just go to your local t-mobile shop and pick one up. Your doubts will be put to rest.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I think you mean "THE Galaxy S2", on Tmobile we find ourselves with a significantly different phone yet again. At least this time there is only one on Tmobile. However with different processors on our phones it won't be as simple to translate development over (however being that its a Qualcomm it seems likely that it will be pretty simple all the same, but I have no idea).
My point was it doesn't matter what carrier you are on or what country you are in if I get a GSM GN (possibly excluding VZW).
I know that people here are going to probably defend the SGS2 because that's what they have, but no one has really answered my question and instead commented on my thoughts.
There doesn't seem to be a LOT of development (I have the assumption based on the opinions that what is there is high quality though).
Furthermore, I am not on contract, so I get no discounts on phones, making the GN only about 100 bucks more than the SGS2.
Pointing out the GN flaws is a good call, I haven't been keeping up with that and mostly watching this forum as, like I mentioned, the appeal that I can walk on down to the store and get one makes it a possible buy.
The SD card is something I would prefer, but I don't need. I was prepared to go down to 16gb but hoping for a 32gb.
The major appeal is how many people are still happy with their Nexus S. The Nexus phones just have a longer life span because they come out about once a year and Google supports them.
Some other phones get a similar treatment, but it seems to be a higher risk. Samsung has already mentioned they are working on the SGS3, meaning SGS3 updates will come even slower (I presume though that there is probably still AT LEAST most of a year before we start to see them). I just like the idea of carrying around a little Google baby.
And I am not saying anything bad about the SGS2, I am just skeptical after the whole Vibrant thing (or the SGS in general since as far as I heard GB isn't on most devices, and those that got it got it way late). The hardware looks amazing, and honestly I like the idea of the captive buttons vs only virtual buttons (I like my menu button tyvm). If CM9 is out and I haven't upgraded I will probably go for the SGS2 and put CM9 on it right away, but otherwise I will be worried about the software. Seems like it took a little hollering to get CM support (I could be misunderstanding that thread), so what happens with CM10+? I suppose there will be developers who will porting stuff over, probably.
So that's that. I figure most of this post is futile any way as it seems people get a little defensive about their choices and get upset when you make counter points. I suppose that is somewhat helpful though as it does still compare things, just one sided.
I will end up probably reading one thing online somewhere that will randomly cause me to make up my mind and then just be blissfully ignorant of what I am missing. So oh wells. Thanks for the input so far guys.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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I realize the hardware is different among the different carrier GS2's. What I was referring to is the overall specifications (dual core processor ~ 1.2-1.5 ghz, 1gig of ram, etc.) when I mentioned the developer support.
In regards to your concern about the screen, I can only tell you that I did a lot of shopping around, testing out different phones and the GS2 screen does not disappoint. IMO, it is overall better than the ones found in the Razr and Rezound, which both offer higher resolutions, so keep in mind that resolution isn't everything.
At this point just wait a couple days until the Nexus is out and give it a hands on. Until you have the device in your hand, you can't really tell how it's going to taste to you. I was infatuated with the Motorola Razr until I actually held one in my hand and hated just about everything about it. The super-thin profile felt terrible in my hands, the noticeable pixels on the screen were distracting, it got way too hot to hold up to my ear, other than the speakers and software (I actually like Moto-blur), it was a complete failure to me. So you never know until you try it.
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Thanks, but someone else mentioned the screen, not me. I am not worried about the screen, it would have the same resolution as my current phone so I wouldn't know the difference.
Any way, you may have understood this but it was ambiguous: Yes I know the hardware specs are nice (I believe I stated that they were potentially better) but more people would have the exact same GN as opposed to people with the exact same SGS2. It might not matter though, I have no developing experience (I considered it, but I barely passed my Java course 6 years ago) so I might be wrong in thinking that it will be hard to work with stuff for the international one and put it on the tmobile version. I mean it might be simple if it's just drivers since qualcomm drivers would not be hard to find.
Furthermore, I am already being spoiled with ICS and just want it now.
The thing is, the reason I ask here instead of in the GN forum is that I really want to want the SGS2 (well, and people here have looked as the GN where as people there might have never looked at -specifically- the tmobile sgs2). I am actually likely to walk into a tmobile store and walk out with a phone over the winter break, and I don't think I would be able to help myself if there was a stable ICS rom by then.
BUT the fact that Nexuses last so long makes me wonder if I will be whimpering about how I could have got one and didn't, then again the next nexus will be starting to solidify by then.
Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Regarding the CM10 bit...
The good news is that once a Device is officially in a previous generation of CM, for example all devices on CM6 are automatically included in CM7 and when CM9 is out, all the CM7 devices will get CM9
so in a way, it's a better guaranteed than stock ICS from Google which only goes as far back as 1 year of support, even the Nexus ONE got removed from Google's support list, in the end the Dev had to make their own PORT / build of ICS for Nexus One, as the regular ICS is not hardware compatible according to Google.
so if our device gets supported officially in CM7 and CM9, it will automatically be included in CM10
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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As device screen resolution goes up, achieving a 60fps UI is closely related to GPU speed and especially the GPU’s memory bus bandwidth. In fact, if you want to get an idea of the performance of a piece of hardware, always pay close attention to the memory bus bandwidth. There are plenty of times where the CPU (especially with those wonderful NEON instructions) can go a lot faster than the memory bus.
in that scenario i see more benefit to have 800x480 than the newer higher resolutions
i can understand your feeling completely
It would seem like everybody is either dodging or are too wrapped around the Euro-GS2 to answer your question...i myself have been wondering if there is going to be more custom roms, kernels & etc...i've heard that team whiskey & CM should be cooking roms real soon for the t-mobile galaxy s2. I do believe all this waiting is related to the qualcomm chip in the phone versus the exynos processor in all the other gs2 variants...I just hope this isn't gonna be like theyre doing just bc they don't wanna leave the t-mobile one out of development...but if you do test out the galaxy nexus and like it then go with it, one thing is true about those nexus phones, they are always the first to get those updates...it really comes down to what you want to do, wait a little bit for more roms or etc.
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Then how come my G1 is only unofficially supported in cm7? They can stop supporting something, they might not, but they can. And if they just stop using a device, they aren't going to be able to continue working on it. For instance I heard rumor that the Vibrant will no longer be officially supported, and it only got 7/7.1...
What they say is as long as they support it they will continue to do what they can, but they do drop support on phones as they have to over time.
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You have reservations strong enough that I would say dont get the SGSII, you wont be fully happy. Based on what you said, you should buy the unlocked galaxy nexus they are selling now ($800), or wait for the verizon version. You may regret not getting the SGSII, but I would hardly think that the Nexus would be significantly worse. If anything you would just regret paying more for a similar phone.
agree re: getting SGN instead of SGS2
specially when the OP did mention the lack of SD card is not a biggie
for me the lack of SD card was a major deal breaker, so the T989 was my only choice of good phone for AWS 1700+2100 networks
I am about to share some insight. I need Google to listen as they will be developing the future of smart phones. We need Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and HTC to get this too. They make our wonderful hardware. Lastly, we need you. Only you can make it happen.
Here is some example of the problems. I bought a Harley. I have increased the performance through adding performance exhaust and a high flow intake. I also added a new seat and forward controls because of my height.
Now take my desktop computer. Instead of using the on 20" monitor I upgraded to a 24" after I purchased it. It was laggy so we opened it up and added a stick of ram. Shortly later we ran out of some space so we got a hard drive that was faster and had twice together capacity. The new Windows 7 dropped and as fast as I could purchase it I was installing.
Now comes the present state of our smartphones. We have great phones for just long enough to see a press flier to launch the new best thing. My idea will change the industry. It will create jobs at home. It could really change the whole thing.
I will be using various examples. The first is the Epic touch by Sprint but applies to other carriers. We all know this phone has a Wimax capable modem. What if we could go to Best Buy and my the new LTE modem be right there for the purchase. I am stuck for another year in this contract but I am very eager to take advantage of the improved speeds.
Next you see they are making 720p screens. Do I want LCD or Amoled? Once I decided I run over to the geek guy squad to install. I also get a warranty just for my screen.
An extra gig of ram so I don't lag as bad on the latest racing game. If that didn't do the trick maybe it's time for a better CPU.
We call it Hot Rodding. This could be the future. You want a specific clone. You can build it yourself.
We change from asking what phone you have to saying, "Hey, what's under the hood.
At the end of our 2 year contract are phones are still up to date and easier to sell.
We still buy complete phones from manufactures. They still carry feature phones that are kept original. But there premium phones sell according to their trim line like on cars. Very much like desktop computers.
The market could be huge. Sells will increase across the board. Companies no longer will be out on 60 percent of the customers who are under contract. If they have a new CPU launching on a new phone before most customers couldn't even purchase it. Now even the ones stuck in contract can give Samsung money to upgrade their phone's components.
Android could end fragmentation. Your phones just needs certain requirement for the upgrades.
Imagine the possibilities. Best Buy and geek squad would be set. But you will once again see the boom of the local computer store.
The current phone manufactures will do great too. You might only sell them a phone every 2 years. But, they can keep it upgraded for the life of the contract.
Businesses who manufacture and sell accessories will do wonderful. They don't have to worry about case changes ever year on hundreds of models. Their overhead would go down dramaticaIly. If you are tired of that 4" screen phone. It looks like you can buy a new case and screen. All your other hardware will transfer.
If you want a phone and you take a lot of pictures maybe you will just need a better camera and video card.
The initial cost of the phone might be more. But, now it is more like buying a car and less like buying a dozen eggs with a short shelf life. If your phones motor blows out you can take it to the shop or buy the part on eBay/Amazon and do it yourself after reading the instructions.
I will update this in the morning when my brain is clear and I am not as tired. I would love to here your input. Together we can construct the perfect essay to distribute to the companies.
Seriously? I'm sure this is something that has crossed the mind of these companies before and I'm pretty sure what you're suggesting would not be profitable or logistically sound.
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Very interesting
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It would be a HUGE phone! The reason phones are small and powerful is that they are designed from the ground up as one unit. If you want a new camera how will it attach? How will the existing hardware interface deal with the new signal. Look into why the S3 doesn't have a quad-core processor in the US. The System On Chip (SOC) makes what you know and love as a phone possible but it doesn't allow you to swap pieces like a PC.
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It's an interesting idea, but this mean a complete rewrite of android from scratch I believe and will make fragmentation even worst than it is right now Also there is no good profit for the OEM.
But it could be awesome to have a customizable smartphone (hardware)
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It's an interesting idea, but this mean a complete rewrite of android from scratch I believe and will make fragmentation even worst than it is right now Also there is no good profit for the OEM.
But it could be awesome to have a customizable smartphone (hardware)
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It would only require the OS to be compiled with a set of standard drivers for most hardware. Kinda like windows and it's generic drivers.
I would definitely love to have the ability to interchange parts like ram, gpu, cpu, screens, cameras, speakers, leds...
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Several companies have tried this with laptops over the years and they all flopped. It is a good idea but nearly impossible to execute in cell phones. Manufacturing costs simply need to be reduced so contracts are no longer needed. Like computers did mid 2000's cell phones seem to be hitting a plateau where they cant get much better/faster/different than people want. There is honestly nothing that cant be done on E4GT platform except for lte.
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Your obviously young op. Hardware isn't that easy as a computer for phones. The ONLY possible thing that can happen is if a third party company makes things to replace on your phone. (Of course better things) or even they design a phone that's all for upgrading its core components. However even that will need to be replaced just like phones within months. Just look at computers. Things develop extremely fast these days. No matter what the idea isn't effective for company's.
At least not yet in the limit of hardware we have today.
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You don't get it. These companies benefit from the hype of the newest phones coming out. It makes our phones look like they are less than they actually are and we feel like we need the newest thing out out on the market. These companies feed off of our weak, pathetic minds to profit themselves. Don't get me wrong, I adore your idea, I am just absolutely sure that it wont make it.
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Totally impractical. You're trying to take an entirely different marketplace and apply it to smartphones. It doesn't work that way. I promise you your idea has been thought of before, and many of the reasons mentioned in this thread are why it'll never go farther than the idea stage.
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Totally impractical. You're trying to take an entirely different marketplace and apply it to smartphones. It doesn't work that way. I promise you your idea has been thought of before, and many of the reasons mentioned in this thread are why it'll never go farther than the idea stage.
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I disagree.. Its always good to have options but it will never be the android market.. Google wouldnt allow that lol.. I use other markets before googles for a number of reasons.. Ideas are what make reality, without them we wouldnt be where we are at now. Not to mention in such a short time
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Also wanted to add to the op.. What if they created one device to start that the manufacturer developed new parts for that specific device which the owners had to purchase the parts they wanted to upgrade? It would be a test run and if profitable would increase there base.. Why not? Even be able to purchase new cases for other hardware? It would be profitable and all us technology buffs would have a blast.. Its putting it in motion that is the hardest.. The idea is great.
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This should be the future of smart phones
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It's a novel idea but I don't see it happening unless the manufacturers and carriers can find a way to milk us for all it's worth. If you must have the latest and greatest all the time your options are buy off contract or buy out of your existing one.
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Great idea. I actually had a similar one a while back when I was still rockin' my G2. I also thought about maybe an XDA phone. However, there seems to be a stale air floating around XDA as of late when it comes to "why not". Everyone wants to knock ideas that are far fetched. I doubt Android would be the way it is now if unlocking a locked/encrypted bootloader was too "far fetched". Or overlclocking a phone was pointless.
Some ideas you have are very practical. The screen and camera being a couple. Something like the processor would be difficult given current build methods but all that would take is a very minor redesign of the way it connects to the board. Also they would need to discontinue the use of the SOC model. RAM would be easy as long as it's separate from the SOC also and the connections are redesigned.
This of course would take implementing industry standards like we see in computers with SATA and PCIe. Until that happens, this idea isn't going to take off. Now there's the issue of size that was brought up. That's a non-issue really. Let's take an sdcard for example. Swappable RAM couldn't be that small? I don't see why not because an sdcard is swappable and it's small. It also has a lot of memory - 64GB+ on something smaller than the nail on your pinkie. Sure some things might increase in size a little but nothing that would cause us to carry around Zack Morris phones again. We're talking a millimeter or so at the most.
The main issue with any of this is having it catch on. No company is going to start doing it on it's own. You'd have to create a company and make phones which would cause the competition (minus Apple) to adopt this methodology also. Anyone have lots of money or really good credit?
A few problems with that theory. One, it assumes that the average person know how to replace RAM, CPU, screen, etc. Two, it assumes that the average person knows how to use basic tools and actually has the tiny tools necessary to work on a phone, and the capability or know-how to actually disassemble the device and know what to replace. Not to mention the fact that the phone's tiny connectors are easily damaged by improper handling. The problem of lacking standards has already been mentioned. But the biggest problem is size. You are very wrong if you think that making everything replaceable will not make the phone significantly bigger. Let me give you an example: I still have an 8 year old Dell laptop, on which I was able to replace the CPU to upgrade it. It was a large computer and had a socket for the CPU that made it easily swappable. On my current macbook pro, the CPU is soldered to the board, and the only thing I can replace myself is the RAM and HD. I swapped the HD for an SSD. On the macbook air, everything is soldered and not replaceable. Essentially, to make things as small as possible, you have to permanently attach as many things as possible AND use as many proprietary components as possible. You can't use many standardized components if size is an issue. While this is a good idea in theory, it is absolutely impossible in practice and would not result in increased sales if implemented. It would result in a bulky device leaving most people questioning why they should buy this over the competition. And then they will go and buy the competition. If you want more people to buy Apple, institute this. Hell, given that option, I'd buy Apple myself.
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Once I decided I run over to the geek guy squad to install.
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You lost me right here. I wouldn't trust any of them boiling water, let alone with my phone.
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A few problems with that theory. One, it assumes that the average person know how to replace RAM, CPU, screen, etc. Two, it assumes that the average person knows how to use basic tools and actually has the tiny tools necessary to work on a phone, and the capability or know-how to actually disassemble the device and know what to replace. Not to mention the fact that the phone's tiny connectors are easily damaged by improper handling.
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How many "average" people do you know that swap out computer components? No assumption here at all. This would be a thing only for enthusiasts - like installing a high end graphics card, water cooling, 16GB of RAM, a new motherboard, moving to Ivy Bridge, and so on.
No "average" person goes much beyond swapping out a monitor at best. Maybe installing more RAM if they're feeling really froggy.
The reason for size in a desktop is due to the wires and a lot of time, cooling requirements. In a phone there are very few wires running all over the place, no fans to route them around. No CPU heat sink to worry about melting wires. The HDD and optical drives are large and require space along with, you guessed it, more wires. RAM stands vertically and it's large by todays standards. Desktops are not made with simple upgrades in mind. They are made to allow the user to add to them. Well most anyway (remember Gateway and Compaq?).
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How many "average" people do you know that swap out computer components? No assumption here at all. This would be a thing only for enthusiasts - like installing a high end graphics card, water cooling, 16GB of RAM, a new motherboard, moving to Ivy Bridge, and so on.
No "average" person goes much beyond swapping out a monitor at best. Maybe installing more RAM if they're feeling really froggy.
The reason for size in a desktop is due to the wires and a lot of time, cooling requirements. In a phone there are very few wires running all over the place, no fans to route them around. No CPU heat sink to worry about melting wires. The HDD and optical drives are large and require space along with, you guessed it, more wires. RAM stands vertically and it's large by todays standards. Desktops are not made with simple upgrades in mind. They are made to allow the user to add to them. Well most anyway (remember Gateway and Compaq?).
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If you are purposefully making an upgradeable device, you are automatically sacrificing size. It's a fact that to make devices as small as possible, which is most ideal in a portable device, there can't be room for upgrades. If you look at the current ultraportable notebooks (Apple and otherwise), they generally have non-replaceable components. There's just not enough room for connectors and sockets in those devices. So, to make such a device successful, it has to appeal to the average person, not the enthusiast market. Only few companies can market a product to enthusiasts, and it generally involves hand-made cars for half million dollars each. And simply put, there's really no need for such a device. A computer is one thing, but your phone is something that gets used and abused on a regular basis. And by the time your contract expires, technology is so far ahead that upgrading would be as useful as maxing out the RAM on an 8 year old computer. If you look at the most successful gadget company out there, it would be Apple. Like them or not, their success is undeniable. Underlying that success is the theory of providing a quality product that appeals to the average customer. And that's key. Even if you could keep the exact same size but make it upgradeable, there is absolutely no way that you will ever have market out there that would warrant such a device. I'm not going to spend $200 on a phone and drop hundreds of dollars more on upgrades, only to have a worthless device 2 years down the line when the contract expires and you're due for an upgrade. And lastly, most people do not have time to tinker with their phones. We have enough things to worry about, and most of us want a device that works well out of the box, and is sufficient until time to upgrade. From what I can see, only two companies actually realize this simple concept. One is obviously Apple, and the other is Samsung. I can honestly say that the E4GT is just about perfect out of the box, if only Sprint kept their hands off of it and did not load it down with crap.