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[Q] Windows Mobile 7 on HTC Desire Z

Hello all,
I have just recently purchased a HTC desire z, therfore i have become a big fan (already linux geek) of android. However with windows mobile 7 phones recently released on the market i would like to know if anyones working or done a dual boot feature on the desire series with android and windows mobile 7?
ANY help would be amazing and thanks you

Impossible. Especially since there is no WM7. Windows Phone 7 on the other hand will be difficult if anything since there is no source.
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This being said.....i have heard that iphones can now dual boot to android or Ios. Haha
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jark99 said:
This being said.....i have heard that iphones can now dual boot to android or Ios. Haha
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Yup. iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPad, iPod Touch 1G and iPod Touch 4G.
No support for my 2G Touch though

i to just got a desire z on bell and wanted to go back to wm ( been useing a 6800 for 3 years) is there a rom for that for the desire???
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Windows Mobile is not open source you can't build it for other devices.

Lennyuk said:
Windows Mobile is not open source you can't build it for other devices.
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I doubt that is going to stop anyone. It will just take longer.

rewen said:
I doubt that is going to stop anyone. It will just take longer.
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i just figured that sence i can put wm 6.1 or 6.5 on my treo why not on my desire????after alll it is just a operiating system on a small pc...
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joeblow_666 said:
i just figured that sence i can put wm 6.1 or 6.5 on my treo why not on my desire????after alll it is just a operiating system on a small pc...
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Doesn't the Treo have some sort of relation to a WM phone?
If anything will get WP7, it'll be the Desire HD. With it being such a close relation and all.

TheDeadCpu said:
No. No Android phone will ever have WP7.
Sendt with a HW Keyboard from my Desire Z, woop!
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This can't be true since the hardware is WP7 compatible.
My question is WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?.
If it's to try the new OS, just go to your local dealer and play with there's for about 10 minutes, which is about how long it will take to play with all the features it comes with.

Thanks for all replies,
obviously windows mobile 7 and the desire seriers are all new products and its mostly correct that the desire hardware is compatible, this hopefully is going to be something that will be done sometime in the new year by a very clever professional programer.
so please update if you hear that someone is working on this.
the reason i want WM7 on my htc desire is because currently im iphone programming, next i will be java programming then lastly wm7 programming if all goes to plan.

The htc hd2 isnt suported for a update since it doesnt have the three hardware buttons required for wp7...im with everyone else in this thread i doubt it will get ported to android..i mean it would be nice to dual boot into wp7 but i doubt it will happen...theres not many devs for the desire z right now..well in comparison to the desire and the hero...lets just hope it may may may may happen
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I personally would like to see it happen or at least an emu, so i can watch some netflix.
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Also for Xbox Live and various other exclusive features. Plus it's just part of getting the most from our phones. I'd love to dual-boot and get the best of both worlds.

rewen said:
Also for Xbox Live and various other exclusive features. Plus it's just part of getting the most from our phones. I'd love to dual-boot and get the best of both worlds.
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haha yep. It's not a matter of, "WP7 is better than Android" or vice versa...it's just because we can =P

rewen said:
Also for Xbox Live and various other exclusive features. Plus it's just part of getting the most from our phones. I'd love to dual-boot and get the best of both worlds.
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From what I understand, the version of WP7 that runs on the HD2 can't access any of the Live services at the moment because it hasn't got the necessary certificate. This is likely to be another barrier to this sort of thing, though I imagine someone will get over that in time.

android 22 said:
Thanks for all replies,
obviously windows mobile 7 and the desire seriers are all new products and its mostly correct that the desire hardware is compatible, this hopefully is going to be something that will be done sometime in the new year by a very clever professional programer.
so please update if you hear that someone is working on this.
the reason i want WM7 on my htc desire is because currently im iphone programming, next i will be java programming then lastly wm7 programming if all goes to plan.
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i have had various Android smart phones in the last few Years, rooted and installed MANY many m-a-n-y ROMs and launchers. I was amazed with the 'LAUNCHER7' launcher that does not require root access. How ever, it is not the genuine Windows 7 mobile, it is the closest thing to it. It even has the 'live' tiles that you see so many times.
Go to the Android market, and search for Launcher7. I don't want to sound like an advertisement, but the author has done a good job on how it looks and feels. It even has the little fly in and out animations when you select a certain tile.

I doubt anybody even wants a wp7 port to make it worth the devs time to make it. just let that junk go... like someone else said use the launcher7 or better yet buy a windows phone! I did and took it back within two hours! Maybe if u never used a smartphone u could lke it, but anyone who is used to the freedom of android could ever backstep into that poop.
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Lennyuk said:
Windows Mobile is not open source you can't build it for other devices.
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Exactly and this being said how would an Android device such as the Desire Z be able to support the Windows Mobile 7 Apps? On the other hand they have a home launcher in the market that changes your home interface to look exactly like the HTC HD7. You should check it out! Hope I helped a bit

nehemiahfff said:
I personally would like to see it happen or at least an emu, so i can watch some netflix.
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I doubt if there were emulator that could emulate a windows 7 phone it would not be able to run movies or much in that matter. The processing power to emulate a WP7 phone would drastically slow down the G2 even over clocked.
If we are talking about WM6... i would kind of like to see that... but wouldn't use it as a daily driver.

Windows 8

My mind is a complex and weird thing and I was just thinking windows 8 has a version to run on ARM CPUs so... I'm sure that it would require soff but do you think it is possible?
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No expert, however I think this is pretty much the same as WP7 on our devices, which so far has never been done.
Suppose they did get Linux running, but Android is built on Linux right
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treebill said:
My mind is a complex and weird thing and I was just thinking windows 8 has a version to run on ARM CPUs so... I'm sure that it would require soff but do you think it is possible?
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that would be nice..then another thing we could stick the finger to those on the S3 side hehe be nice if we could try a different OS on this beast of a phone

Its not that it cant be done, its because windows is licensed and not open like android/Linux....
So for windows to come onto other devices you would A. need to hack it witch XDA dont support or B. each and every person who installs said rom would have to buy the license key.

Yeah, and Windows for ARM isn't going to be sold retail, only pre-installed with the device.. And drivers and such I guess won't work like regualar windows, just so they can avoid things like this.. But once it's released we will know more. It can probably be done on a completely open device, because a bootloader change is probably needed in the first place, but that can probably be taken from a tegra 3 windows tablet which I bet is coming. Well, I guess time will tell.

ohhh pleasee windows 8

a100 and windows 8

will this be possible eventually when fully realeased ??

whaaaaa? windows 8 on the a100 or being able to use mtp/mass storage with windows 8? if its the first i want to say HA good luck with that be easier to compile ubuntu 12 arm compared to any windows os. If its the second well i have no clue.
Personally if i was gonna put windows 8 on a acer tablet i'd done it with the w500 which runs windows7 natively an has a keyboard dock (that will never mount right to a a100/a500 because its a normal usb port on the bottom of the w500 >.>)

terryok said:
will this be possible eventually when fully realeased ??
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No, not possible. No one will be installing W8 on their Android tablets; guaranteed.

FloatingFatMan said:
No, not possible. No one will be installing W8 on their Android tablets; guaranteed.
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If you are speaking the Acer A100 tablet ONLY I would say yep you are correct. However you are saying "No one will be installing W8 on their Android tablets" which is false. Yes you will be able to have an ARM device with Windows 8 and Android in a dual boot. Windows 8 is being writen for both x86 and ARM and manufacturers like Asus have already talked about releasing a dual boot.

NoSudo said:
If you are speaking the Acer A100 tablet ONLY I would say yep you are correct. However you are saying "No one will be installing W8 on their Android tablets" which is false. Yes you will be able to have an ARM device with Windows 8 and Android in a dual boot. Windows 8 is being writen for both x86 and ARM and manufacturers like Asus have already talked about releasing a dual boot.
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Microsoft just aren't going to allow that... They have VERY strict requirements for the ARM version of Windows 8, one of which is a tightly locked and sealed bootloader and NO dual booting capability.
Plus, no existing tablets on the market meet the spec requirements for resolution or available RAM.

FloatingFatMan said:
Microsoft just aren't going to allow that... They have VERY strict requirements for the ARM version of Windows 8, one of which is a tightly locked and sealed bootloader and NO dual booting capability.
Plus, no existing tablets on the market meet the spec requirements for resolution or available RAM.
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Thanks, and my previous point still stands true. You are too vague most of the time in your responses and it leads to miss informed people. It also causes you to give responses that may have some validity, but are wrong because you don't properly address what you wish to point out.

I agree with you there is actually news about ARM based tablets having to have a secured boot loader by the manufacture no if ans or butts if its a intel/amd based machine the secure boot is optional.
Hope nobody minds but here is a link on some info on that http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/2012/01/16/microsoft-blocks-linux-arm-hardware/1

Hi,
Still no solution to install W8 on A100?
Tnks

I wont say it'll never happen, I'll say its extremely unlikely, for a few reasons i can see.
Devs needed to work on getting w8 working on a tegra2 anything, let alone an a100
W8 itself being modified to run on the a100 specifically, there is next to no dev support for this device for android let alone another os.
Did I mention devs needed to do this stuff?
IMO i wouldn't wait on this, its extremely unrealistic to expect. But I could be wrong, it happens quite often.
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Ruben13 said:
Hi,
Still no solution to install W8 on A100?
Tnks
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The Surface is held back even by Tegra 3, so I don't think its possible. And this tablet just doesn't have enough dev support.
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Windows Mobile for Desire Z

Does exist WM ROM for Desire Z?

No, try this if you want a similar experience
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20549065
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demkantor said:
No, try this if you want a similar experience
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20549065
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He meant Windows Mobile, found in HTC Diamond or Xperia X1. And no, I don't think this kind of ROMs exists. If they would exist, I would try these! I live Windows Mobile.

huh, thought window 7.x was just a step past windows 6.x
i guess windows mobile only refers to windows phones prior 2011 and the newest are just called windows phones? semantics sorry

For WM to exist on the DZ is very tough actually. To begin with, someone has to develop a bootloader for WM, and that itself is tough, because WM is closed sourced. The bootloader has to be placed in the DZ, and cracking the boot sequence of the DZ and placing it to function correctly in the DZ is more tough :/. The most tedious part is porting the drivers for it to function well. I think you might be better off with a WM phone actually haha.. the HD2 is actually the best and the last WM phone..
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huh, thought window 7.x was just a step past windows 6.x
i guess windows mobile only refers to windows phones prior 2011 and the newest are just called windows phones? semantics sorry
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Windows Mobile was discontinued in 2010 around there. Windows Phone 7 was completely rewritten based on Win CE 6, while Windows Mobile 6 was based on Win CE 5. Their completely different actually, based on coding.

Fair enough, I'll stop saying windows mobile for all windows phones I guess, never got a correction from my windows friends, thanks for the clarification
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Course my general thinking is... why would you want to? The hardware isn't designed for it and to make it work would require a lot of reverse engineering even into the most basic of things like the boot loader. Android still seems like the best fit for the likes of something like the DZ/G2. (and even if you could get it to boot, what of the camera, wifi, gps, radio, physical keyboard, SD slot, LED etc )

But the battery could stay in a week or so.
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why wm? i had a cellphone with wm but in compare with android that is not good .

Windows mobile was easily one of the worst phone OS's to be released, it was slow, unreliable and full of bugs. I had one of the last WM phones, the Sony Xperia X2 running win mobile 6.5 and it was a very unpleasant experience. The phone crashed at least once a day, using a stylus only was tedious and it used to love to hang for no apparent reason. The syncing capabilities for exchange were no better then my Nokia E71 which is why I upgraded to the X2 in the first place. Personally I could not wait to get rid of that POS.
Windows Phone on the other hand, could be fun to see on a DZ.

jessv3 said:
Windows mobile was easily one of the worst phone OS's to be released, it was slow, unreliable and full of bugs. I had one of the last WM phones, the Sony Xperia X2 running win mobile 6.5 and it was a very unpleasant experience. The phone crashed at least once a day, using a stylus only was tedious and it used to love to hang for no apparent reason. The syncing capabilities for exchange were no better then my Nokia E71 which is why I upgraded to the X2 in the first place. Personally I could not wait to get rid of that POS.
Windows Phone on the other hand, could be fun to see on a DZ.
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Xperia X2 wasn't bad, but the ROM Sony Ericsson made. On Xperia X1 it wasn't laggy.
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vaderx10minipro said:
Xperia X2 wasn't bad, but the ROM Sony Ericsson made. On Xperia X1 it wasn't laggy.
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The X2 had really nice hardware, the physical qwerty was better built then the the desire z, but the OS was such a major let down, I still think that if SE released the X2 with Eclaire or Froyo it would have been a huge success.

I think WM ins't better than android... WM has too much restrictions and is so simple..

kbeezie said:
Course my general thinking is... why would you want to? The hardware isn't designed for it and to make it work would require a lot of reverse engineering even into the most basic of things like the boot loader. Android still seems like the best fit for the likes of something like the DZ/G2. (and even if you could get it to boot, what of the camera, wifi, gps, radio, physical keyboard, SD slot, LED etc )
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Cos my DZ is younger brother Kaiser which was best PDA ever I had - and it was Windows.

JusTQL said:
Cos my DZ is younger brother Kaiser which was best PDA ever I had - and it was Windows.
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Huh?

kbeezie said:
Huh?
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He had a Kaiser, which was a very popular winmo phone from HTC. He has fond memories and would like to recreate the experience.

lol
WM was terrible lol android is way better

It depends on which windows mobile. Before android was out i had an HTC Dash. I still say it was the best phone ive has so far. Had a blackberry style keyboard and WM5 or something like that. super durable and bug free.
there was no reason to root or mod it because it was completely open looked kind of like windows xp.
It would do anything it was fast enough to.
I remember the first time someone showed me their rooted doid. I was baffled, like you had to go through all that to be able to modify your root files. You meen to tell me you dont have access to all the files and settings on the phone that you own.
The second best, or if you never had a htc dash, The best. is the HD2.
released 2009 still goes pretty strong. They just dont make phones like that anymore. I dual boot an android rom and WP7.
You could run windows 95 or ubuntu if you wanted.

Windows 8 on galaxy note

good morning all
Is it possible to put Windows 8 on a galaxy note?
I've read somwhere that this can be done.
Thanks :laugh:

Windows 8 NO, It's impossible because It is an INTEL PLATAFORM
I have heard something about Windows 8 RT,
But it was also improbable for some reason I don't remember...
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One of the main reasons its windows it's closed source so you can not develope a kernel able to work with it.
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Theres info about it on website - techworld and other sites that the Galaxy Note II has it installed?
There can't be much difference between a Note mk1 and mk2 ?

yen said:
Theres info about it on website - techworld and other sites that the Galaxy Note II has it installed?
There can't be much difference between a Note mk1 and mk2 ?
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I think they're getting their phones mixed up. The note 2 will not run windows phone 8. The ATIV S is their windows phone 8 phone... They were both announced the same day, so that's probably where the confusion is coming from.

yen said:
good morning all
Is it possible to put Windows 8 on a galaxy note?
I've read somwhere that this can be done.
Thanks :laugh:
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possible...
if you have a lot of time to make kernel of windows 8 for galaxy note II..?
my opinion.. KERNEL + EMULATOR = Window8 success running to galaxy note II.

yen said:
Theres info about it on website - techworld and other sites that the Galaxy Note II has it installed?
There can't be much difference between a Note mk1 and mk2 ?
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I don't believe this is true at all because it's so ludicrous on a number of levels, provide a link to the articles you're talking about.

Medulla said:
I don't believe this is true at all because it's so ludicrous on a number of levels, provide a link to the articles you're talking about.
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Explain to me how it's ludicrous? HTC HD2 could dual boot winphone and android. I have dual booted android and windows mobile on an ATT tilt and an HTC raphael as well.

votum said:
Explain to me how it's ludicrous? HTC HD2 could dual boot winphone and android. I have dual booted android and windows mobile on an ATT tilt and an HTC raphael as well.
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It's ludicrous because all the other OS' you mention there are MOBILE OS'; the OP's talking about Windows 8 which is a desktop OS. Did you ever get your HD2 to boot Windows XP? Or OSX? Presumably not!
And that aside, if someone's read something they want to ask about then why not link to the article in question somewhere in the thread? To turn up and ramble on about some nonsense they've 'read somewhere' is useless and until it's at all substantiated then I'm going to treat it as such.
And all that aside again; seriously? Windows 8 on an Android phone that hasn't even been released yet? Why are we even taking this seriously at all?

I wish this was possible

yen said:
good morning all
Is it possible to put Windows 8 on a galaxy note?
I've read somwhere that this can be done.
Thanks :laugh:
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what?? why would you want to ruin a perfectly good operating system like andriod and put windows 8 on?? it sucks anyway and its gunna be a big flop just like vista was.

wishmasteruk said:
what?? why would you want to ruin a perfectly good operating system like andriod and put windows 8 on?? it sucks anyway and its gunna be a big flop just like vista was.
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Highly doubt it, it's faster and better than 7. Ignore Metro, and you have 7 but just better. But Win8 is impossible, Windows RT may be possible but highly unlikely.

omar300 said:
I wish this was possible
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I used to want a small Windows-XP/Vista/7 based phone that could idealy do everything my desktop/laptop could do. However, as I looked into it further, I realized it just wasn't an optimum OS to have on a phone type platform (even if it was possible).
Even on my Sony Vaio UX which had a similar sized screen as the Note 2, programs were just too difficult to navigate and use due to their design being model for a larger landscape. Also, the Windows Desktop OS's are resource-hungry, and do not utlize hardware efficiently enough to run smoothly on a phone.
Still it would be fun to do, just to say it can be done.

votum said:
Explain to me how it's ludicrous? HTC HD2 could dual boot winphone and android. I have dual booted android and windows mobile on an ATT tilt and an HTC raphael as well.
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all those devices you mentioned came with windows mobile.
because windows(all versions) is closed source it's incredibly hard to get it on a device that didn't originally have a version of windows.
android has the advantage of being open source so it's much easier to port drivers from other devices to it, and to even write completely new drivers.
but even then it's not an easy task.

Wish it was possible but sadly Microsoft does not allow to. If there was a option of Dual OS Bootup then it would have been awesome.

complete information how to install and how is it work
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kevin619 said:
complete information how to install and how is it work
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODo2In7nEng
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:sigh: Really?

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yen said:
good morning all
Is it possible to put Windows 8 on a galaxy note?
I've read somwhere that this can be done.
Thanks :laugh:
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kevin619 said:
complete information how to install and how is it work
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Lol...that video title is misleading...the galaxy note is running splashtop app..

Medulla said:
It's ludicrous because all the other OS' you mention there are MOBILE OS'; the OP's talking about Windows 8 which is a desktop OS. Did you ever get your HD2 to boot Windows XP? Or OSX? Presumably not!
And that aside, if someone's read something they want to ask about then why not link to the article in question somewhere in the thread? To turn up and ramble on about some nonsense they've 'read somewhere' is useless and until it's at all substantiated then I'm going to treat it as such.
And all that aside again; seriously? Windows 8 on an Android phone that hasn't even been released yet? Why are we even taking this seriously at all?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
people did get 2000 and xp running on the hd2