Browsing the forums today has made me aware that the following could be an issue if I wish to root and flash a froyo rom to my htc desire.
When I bought my htc desire I wanted to stay with the orange network but avoid actually buying an orange branded (corrupted) phone - so I bought my desire from the carphone warehouse (uk) and it's supposed to be unlocked. I got it with a contract orange sim though.
It has no label "ORANGE" and came with no orange games/apps installed, but today I realised that I don't have the GTalk app and I couldn't find it on the market. I installed it from elsewhere and it seems to run fine, but was it being blocked in some way in my view of the market? Is my phone still truly unlocked or was it ever? I will try a PAYG sim from another network tomorrow.
The main thing I'm concerned about though is the radio. I've received several OTA updates since I got the phone. Could one of these have updated the radio to work on orange uk and if I install a new radio (as most froyo guides insist on) will that break my orange uk link? I read somewhere that an orange specific radio effectively locks your phone to orange and it takes a whole load of unrooting/rooting and avoiding OTA updates to keep it going on custom roms.
Is this the issue that makes rooting an orange uk desire a dangerous proposition or is it the orange branding / locking / User interface corruptions that is the issue? If it's the former, I'm locked into orange after buying an unlocked phone. If it's the later then I should be okay.
Many forum posts say "safe EXCEPT ON ORANGE".
If I install one of these new radios, might I have a problem with orange UK?
Current software information:-
Firmware : 2.1 update 1
Baseband : 32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2
Kernel : 2.6.29-0cb9f166
Build : 1.21.405.2
Bootloader 0.80.xx
Gtalk is on all Android phones, that's why it isn't on the market.
On all radios should be able to access any network without any problems.
The updates probably came from HTC themselves. The updates were probably to upgrade from factory to current. I got an unlocked HTC desire that's on 2.1 update 1 (exact same software information except the random string in the kernel field) I am usually on t-mobile but I pop it out for a orange PAYG when I'm in T-mobile blackspots.
I got some sms from Orange when I first got the phone telling me they were going to push some 'handy' additions to my phone and then I got some OTA updates.
Today I realised that GTalk was on my phone as a service but not as an app, which I read was how Orange branded phones arrive.
So what do all the "safe except on orange" warnings refer to?
Sorry I didn't see your last paragraph before. So if this radio works on other networks the warnings must be branded related.
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the 'additions' they send is just adding orange's APN so you can access the internet through the mobile network. This happened to me when I put the orange sim in.
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Hi all,
Just flashed my phone from standard Orange ROM to a generic version as per this guide:
forum . xda-developers . com / showthread.php?t=688404
However, once the phone reboots, I am presented with a screen asking for the "SIM network unlock PIN" as my SIM card is refused.
Any ideas what to do??
http://www.androidfiledepot.com/Sto...io_32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11_release_122704.exe
Just run this one, It's not the latest, but it's got the right radio update for Orange supplied devices. Alternativly, you could have you desire unlcoked, then you could update the radio too.
Hi
You either need to flash back to your previous radio or get a sim unlock code - however these cost between £15-20.
WillyVWade said:
RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.15.405.4_Radio_32.30.00.28U_4.05.00.11_release_122704.exe
Just run this one, It's not the latest, but it's got the right radio update for Orange supplied devices. Alternativly, you could have you desire unlcoked, then you could update the radio too.
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Tried this method but unfortunately it returned "Error [140]: Bootloader Version Error"
How have other people managed to remove Orange branding with the updated radio version and not faced the same problem?
I don't really want to pay to unlock it as that would be of no use to me and I don't know of a site that's guaranteed to work with my Orange UK contract phone.
hey, i got a desire on virgin network in the uk.
the bit i am confused with is that the phone seems to be unlocked and the software info leads me to think that this is an unbranded htc stock rom but there is the virgin logo whenever i turn the device on. i havent done anything to it. to scared lol.
here is my software info
baseband version: 32.30.00.28u_4.05.00.11
build number: 1.15.405.4
software number is the same.
i asked a person and checked on the xda forums under desire developments and posted roms and my rom seems to be similar to
RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.15.405.4_Radio_32.30.00.28U_4. 05.00.11_release_122704.exe
is this normal for a virgin branded mobile
They probably just changed the bootloader !
However, even if it is an official ROM, the phone may be locked.
mine is from virgin aswell has the same vigin loading screen on start up to cant be locked as its got a o2 sim in it .it was running the same version as yours and never propted for the last update so i downloaded the update zip shoved it on the sd card and done it manualy all good
think virgin juust changed the boot screen on the early ones
as for weather we will get the up date ota i dought it will just down load the update zip and do the same again
I got my Desire from a regular shop, but i recently discovered it's branded (though simlock free). Usually branded phones are only distributed by the providers, that's why i assumed mine was unbranded since i got it separate without a subscription.
I already upgraded to Froyo and i'm now on version 2.10.161.2 and i'm wondering if it's possible to debrand my Desire with a goldcard to stock ROM RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2_Radio_32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe and after that upgrade to generic Froyo through OTA.
Also when you have debranded your Desire do you have to use the goldcard everytime there is a new OTA available?
I don't think you'll be able to debrand using that RUU, it'll refuse to install because it has a lower HBOOT version than the one installed on your phone. You could try using a Froyo RUU to debrand, e.g. RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.10.405.2_R_Radio_32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2_release_142828_signed.exe
I think that you do have to use the goldcard for every OTA update after debranding, but I'm not sure.
You can use my downgrade tool to debrand (which installs 1.21.405.2), or the latest froyo RUU.
And yes, goldcard is essential for all official updates on a phone that was originally branded.
Ok i have HBOOT-0.93.0001 don't know if that works when i try it with RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.10.405.2_R_Radio_32.44.0 0.32U_5.09.05.30_2_release_142828_signed.exe?
It really blows though that you have to use the goldcard for each official update.
I'm now thinking of returning my Desire and demanding an unbranded one.
My Desire is also branded (which i didn't know when i was buying it) and after complaining to the seller he replied: why what's the difference? Works with any sim! Well, there is a huge difference for many well known reasons (ie branded software have logos here and there, OTA updates delay, after debranding needs goldcard etc). That's why branded phones are being sold cheaper on ebay.
Yes i would expect that happening on Ebay, but not in retail stores and not even cheaper but full price. Since in retail stores HTC is the one delivering those devices to the retail stores, so HTC is deliberately selling branded phones (they first made them simlock free though before shipping them)
So if i would have Orange as provider with my Vodafone branded Desire and Vodafone decides to put in their 360 crap again i would have that Vodafone crap on my Desire even though i don't have Vodafone as my provider.
HTC doesn't sell branded phones to be sold unbranded. If you buy a genuine sim free unlocked phone and not from a network, it will be unbranded.
Same story with me , and i successfully debrand 3 uk to generic , use gold card and search thread in rom section for downgrade tool which support new and old desire ..
Then ota upgrade to generic froyo
Sent from my HTC Desire
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Also when you have debranded your Desire do you have to use the goldcard everytime there is a new OTA available?
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YES ONE TIME GOLD CARD REQUIRED AFTER UPDATE USE ANY CARD
Sent from my HTC Desire
teppic74 said:
HTC doesn't sell branded phones to be sold unbranded. If you buy a genuine sim free unlocked phone and not from a network, it will be unbranded.
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Sadly this is not true.. they do sell branded phones as unbranded. I bought mine genuine sim free unlocked and not from a network and it IS branded..
@newstar
Are you confirming that you need to use that goldcard with every OTA update after you debranded your Desire? Or are you saying that you only need to use it one time to debrand?
How would HTC know it was originally branded when receiving a new OTA update (by chance through IMEI or S/N)?
Sinergie said:
Sadly this is not true.. they do sell branded phones as unbranded. I bought mine genuine sim free unlocked and not from a network and it IS branded..
@newstar
Are you confirming that you need to use that goldcard with every OTA update after you debranded your Desire? Or are you saying that you only need to use it one time to debrand?
How would HTC know it was originally branded when receiving a new OTA update (by chance through IMEI or S/N)?
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You need to use the goldcard with every OTA update or else you are going to have random restarts, not working wifi and sd card slot.
So the OP knows, you have a Vodafone Desire, the x.xx.161.x denotes a Vodafone product code...If you use a gold card and the 2.10.405.2 RUU it will update to the same ROM (Vodafone removed all branding from it) but you'll be on the generic product code
You'd still need your gold card for all future updates as well, mind
The only thing i still don't get is why would you need the gold card for future updates when you're on the generic product code. You would think it's then the same as the ones that were originally unbranded.
Because the phones CID will still be the branded one, so the gold card is still needed to trick the updates
Ah ok and i guess you can't change the CID so that it is exactly like an unbranded Desire.
Hello All,
When I first got my desire back in April from Orange UK, I had the default Eclair build. I rooted and moved to a Froyo custom ROm and Radio and found I was locked out of my own network as the ROM was of course De-Branded. At the time I paid and got an unlock code.
I recently had to send my phone back for Warranty repair with HTC and they have returned it to me, once again with the current Orange ROM/Radio versions and having changed some inards, I now have a new IMEI number too. I have so far tried two unlock sites but both came back with a "sorry we don't have a code for that IMEI" and so I am very wary of putting another custom ROM on my device in case I get SIM locked out of my own network again.
My question is this:
I vaguely remember that the issue with Orange users being locked out of their own network when using the debranded froyo ROm's was due to changing the Radio (as we needed a 5.x.x.x radio when moving from ecalir to froyo). Since my current Radio is 32.48.00.32U_5.10.05.30, if I get a custom ROM without Radio and carry on using the one I have (already Froyo compatible) will I be ok or will I get simlocked again?
Many thanks in advance
David
Strange, I always thought ROM had nothing to do with your SIM lock... Maybe it depends on what phone you have because I have SIM unlocked my HTC magic after owning it a year long and then after that installed many different ROMs without being SIM locked again.
Sent from my HTC
You don't need to unlock anymore. Newer radios don't lock orange desires anymore.
I did the exact same thing as you, when I got my second orange desire I didn't need to unlock it.
mercianary said:
You don't need to unlock anymore. Newer radios don't lock orange desires anymore.
I did the exact same thing as you, when I got my second orange desire I didn't need to unlock it.
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Thanks mercinary, does this mean I can choose the radio update with the relevant custom ROM or should I keep the Radio on the device that is there currently?
David
shoemeistah said:
Strange, I always thought ROM had nothing to do with your SIM lock... Maybe it depends on what phone you have because I have SIM unlocked my HTC magic after owning it a year long and then after that installed many different ROMs without being SIM locked again.
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That's generally the case, but in the past flashing a non orange froyo radio on a locked orange desire would lock you out of all networks...including orange. It has not been an issue afaik since orange released froyo, all radios after this point did not lock orange phones.
I wish we knew more about this bug because if the radio can manipulate the phones lock state maybe a custom radio can be made to unlock your phone...that's a big maybe though, and I don't know what I'm talking about
beartiger said:
Thanks mercinary, does this mean I can choose the radio update with the relevant custom ROM or should I keep the Radio on the device that is there currently?
David
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Its up to you. If you've got froyo now the radio will work fine with any rom. I've never had any trouble with my new orange desire, flashed loads of radios.
I think i would have a word with HTC, your phone was unlocked when you sent it to HTC for repair, so it should be unlocked on return to you, even if they have changed the mainboard.
as above has anybody got or know where i can get it incase i need to return it for repair,many thanks
There isn't one - my One V is also from Virgin Mobile UK, and the software version is exactly the same as Europe Unbranded (even the CID is Europe Unbranded, HTC__001), and the branding that there was disappeared after unlocking the bootloader (I'm assuming the brand was located in a lovation that deals with the bootloader flag - kind of like DRM?). I looked at insurance/warranty stuff on their website about what modified software would do to the warranty and found nothing, but I did see this: "devices will be returned with Virgin Media-approved firmware".
So going by that, and the fact that VM UK One V's use Europe Unbranded as a base, as long as you have this version installed, you should be fine, since it's still the same software number as it was shipped with. YMMV though.
qzfive said:
There isn't one - my One V is also from Virgin Mobile UK, and the software version is exactly the same as Europe Unbranded (even the CID is Europe Unbranded, HTC__001), and the branding that there was disappeared after unlocking the bootloader (I'm assuming the brand was located in a lovation that deals with the bootloader flag - kind of like DRM?). I looked at insurance/warranty stuff on their website about what modified software would do to the warranty and found nothing, but I did see this: "devices will be returned with Virgin Media-approved firmware".
So going by that, and the fact that VM UK One V's use Europe Unbranded as a base, as long as you have this version installed, you should be fine, since it's still the same software number as it was shipped with. YMMV though.
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thanks for the info qzfive i still have cid HTC_001 and used ClockworkMod to make a backup and later on after a fews roms used i to recover but it doest have the virgin branding,,
note to anyone else reading this,dont try when you have beer lol