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okay i'm fried

htc evo sprint cdma 2.1 tried rooting it, i did but
1 i guess some thing is wrong with the recovery image (recovery mode gets me to the red triand exclamation point)
2 cant install nandroid on my hero it was easy.. wtf

This is for EVO. You should go to the Hero section.

sorry i meant the evo told i'm fried

ok this should probably be posted in the Q&A section.
It sounds like you dont have one of the new recoveries yet. if you are rooted and havent already try downloading rom manager and having it flash clockwork and then boot back into recovery and see if it goes that way.
If you used the simple root program i believe it has an option to install the recovery you can try using that if you cant get rom manager to take as i have heard sometimes when using that method getting the new recovery on the first time can be tricky.
Let us know if you still have problems after.

toast part 2. you are not nand unlocked.
hardly fried

okay i think i got it forgot to run the evo-recovery windows, duh! trying to install virus rom carbon, thnx guys for not blasting this noobie .. i'm just 2wks and tring to do to phones u all have been verrry patient to say tha least

well a no go for me phone is caught in a boot loop

what hboot version do you have?
.79 ussually means you do not have nand unlocked which may be the case as stated above. If it isnt as stated try toast part 2/2 an it shoudl get you set up.

omegasun18 said:
what hboot version do you have?
.79 ussually means you do not have nand unlocked which may be the case as stated above. If it isnt as stated try toast part 2/2 an it shoudl get you set up.
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Depends if you used Toast's method or Unrevoked Forever... best way to tell is to boot to bootloader and look at the top line. S-OFF means you have NAND unlocked. AFAIK, S-ON always means you don't.

Noxious Ninja said:
Depends if you used Toast's method or Unrevoked Forever... best way to tell is to boot to bootloader and look at the top line. S-OFF means you have NAND unlocked. AFAIK, S-ON always means you don't.
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I never thought to check before I flashed UF, doesn't the ENG bootloader still have S-ON? Or was S-OFF part of the eng image?

Does unrevoked 3.21 need forever still? HELP ME.

Do i still need to put the forever or does the 3.21 update already cover that?
because i have tried to install the forever file and it cant read it in recovery mode.
it keeps telling me it cant update and cant find anything.
i have renamed the .zip file to update.zip but that didnt seem to work.
should i unzip the file and put on the SD card?
i mean i have no idea on what to do anymore.
plus i have done this on my brothers incredible also,which works for evo and incredible.
and i dont plan to use my phone(evo) if it doesnt work out.
do i still need to update my radio or does the unrevoked 3.21 already cover that also?
because it seems to be up to date still.
any suggestions?
need major help.

1) Slow down.
2) Tell us, clearly, what you're trying to accomplish.
3) Tell us what recovery, ROM/Version you are running.

Caspers25 said:
Do i still need to put the forever or does the 3.21 update already cover that?
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Unrevoked 3.21 does NOT contain Unrevoked forever.
Unrevoked forever works at a lower-level than other rooting utils/procedures.
It works at the "radio" level. As such, other utils do not affect it.
Meaning; once applied, it remains applied - even after applying a new ROM.
Things that MAY affect Unrevoked forever, include a STOCK reflash.
Other than that, S-OFF will most always remain applied.
Caspers25 said:
because i have tried to install the forever file and it cant read it in recovery mode.
it keeps telling me it cant update and cant find anything.
i have renamed the .zip file to update.zip but that didnt seem to work.
should i unzip the file and put on the SD card?
i mean i have no idea on what to do anymore.
plus i have done this on my brothers incredible also,which works for evo and incredible.
and i dont plan to use my phone(evo) if it doesnt work out.
do i still need to update my radio or does the unrevoked 3.21 already cover that also?
because it seems to be up to date still.
any suggestions?
need major help.
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HTH
--Chris

I'm trying to get a nand unlock and nand backup but I don't know how and what to do.
I cant backup my rom in rom manager.
I need to know if unrevoked 3.21 has forever in it.
It won't work on my recovery it any find the file, it can't seem to find the update. Can you me flash the forever. Zip on my recovery? Need help.
Sent from my HTC EVO

Caspers25 said:
I'm trying to get a nand unlock and nand backup but I don't know how and what to do.
I cant backup my rom in rom manager.
I need to know if unrevoked 3.21 has forever in it.
It won't work on my recovery it any find the file, it can't seem to find the update. Can you me flash the forever. Zip on my recovery? Need help.
Sent from my HTC EVO
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Some say Unrevoked 3.21 does have nand unlock, and permanent S-OFF -
in fact, their website says so.
I recently Used Unrevoked 3.21 - the "new, and improved" version. But upon
completion w/o error. My phone didn't indicate S-OFF. So I downloaded/installed
Unrevoked forever. Now it indicates S-OFF.
I'm not sure that the Nandroid backup procedure will perform as complete a
backup as you would ideally want/need. It depends a great deal how you "sync"
your personal data. It may be in your best interest to use something like
Titanium backup, as well as Nandroid backup, just to be safe.
There are a lot of threads in the forums regarding problems related to flashing.
So your best insurance is always the best backup you can perform -
even if it is a somewhat redundant one (you can never be too sure).
Can you me flash the forever.
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In all honesty, I can't remember the exact proceedure for this.
Best advice: Go back to their website, and follow the directions.
HTH
--Chris

I can't find the directions.
But bank the for years help.
Can you tell me how to do a nand backup? Because I have no idea how to do so.
I even need help to get free wifi tethering!
How can I get unrevoked forever. It won't work, it can read the update. How can I get unrevoked forever on my phone?
Sent from my HTC EVO

unrEVOked 3.21 did indeed permanently set S-OFF for me without any problems.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G rooted with unrEVOked 3.21, NAND unlocked, S-OFF & running Fresh 3.3.0.1, netarchy kernel 4.1.9.1 cfs, Amon RA recovery 1.8.0.1

How did you get nand unlock? And how did your kernel and romantic you're using? Show me? Haha
Sent from my HTC EVO

Rom sorry typo
Sent from my HTC EVO

[Q] need help installing gingerbread keyboard

i have installed the gingerbread keyboard file on my sd card and have rooted my phone using the visonary method but now i cant seem to get into recovery mode. I have rom manager installed and have flashed clockwork recovery mode. it said that it had sucsessfully installed.
I then flashed it again as i read somewhere that i might need to do it twice as sometimes it dosent work.
when i now click on the recovery option in rom manager all i get is the red triange with the ! in the middle.
any ideas what im doing wrong?
Have tried reading the threads but with 30 plus pages i am now completley confused

Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?

steviewevie said:
Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?
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thanks for the quick reply, i think from what i have read that this s-off thing maybe the problem.
can you tell me how do this please
simple steps please as i am struggling with this

just done the hboot hing and at the top of screen it says
vision pvt ship s-on

hpsauce37 said:
thanks for the quick reply, i think from what i have read that this s-off thing maybe the problem.
can you tell me how do this please
simple steps please as i am struggling with this
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It's a bit confusing because there is more than one way to do this. But by far the safest way is to follow the guide at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=857390
Have a good read, then if you're not sure, ask questions in that thread on the process.

steviewevie said:
Sounds like you don't have S-OFF. What does it say in HBOOT (e.g. hold down volume down and the power button with the phone powered off) ?
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S-OFF is a completely different animal. Don't get it confused with being able to boot into recovery.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
S-OFF is a completely different animal. Don't get it confused with being able to boot into recovery.
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I didn't think you could flash recovery without S-OFF though ? Surely ROM Manager doesn't have the ability to write to the NAND, since the write protection will be on if you're at S-ON ?

steviewevie said:
I didn't think you could flash recovery without S-OFF though ? Surely ROM Manager doesn't have the ability to write to the NAND, since the write protection will be on if you're at S-ON ?
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Again. S-OFF is a different issue altogether. Being able to write to NAND is a part of the rooting process. Setting security off is not a part of the rooting process. It's a totally different process for a totally different purpose. The caveat would be if unrevoked has been revised to full root and set S-OFF during the same process. I haven't used it in awhile so on that point, I'm not certain.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Again. S-OFF is a different issue altogether. Being able to write to NAND is a part of the rooting process. Setting security off is not a part of the rooting process. It's a totally different process for a totally different purpose. The caveat would be if unrevoked has been revised to full root and set S-OFF during the same process. I haven't used it in awhile so on that point, I'm not certain.
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Sorry but that's not right for the DZ/G2. I wonder if you're thinking of how it works on a different Android phone ? The security has been increased on the DZ/G2/DHD compared to, say, the original Desire.
Writing to the system and recovery partitions isn't possible until you get S-OFF. This has nothing to do with rooting, it it because of the increased security on these phones where the NAND is in a hardware write-protect mode for those partitions by default. You can appear to write to the partitions, but it's actually going to cache and is lost when you reboot, until you get S-OFF.

steviewevie said:
Sorry but that's not right for the DZ/G2. I wonder if you're thinking of how it works on a different Android phone ? The security has been increased on the DZ/G2/DHD compared to, say, the original Desire.
Writing to the system and recovery partitions isn't possible until you get S-OFF. This has nothing to do with rooting, it it because of the increased security on these phones where the NAND is in a hardware write-protect mode for those partitions by default. You can appear to write to the partitions, but it's actually going to cache and is lost when you reboot, until you get S-OFF.
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Actually yes. S-OFF on the EVO is to make sure no matter what, you're always rooted. It came about after the new stock flash would unroot the phone. With S-OFF active, you can flash any stock rom and not lose root. All you would need to do is reflash RA or Clockwork to get back to recovery and flash roms again. Unrevoked forever is the program we used to change the security setting.
So. That is only true for the EVO?
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Actually yes. S-OFF on the EVO is to make sure no matter what, you're always rooted. It came about after the new stock flash would unroot the phone. With S-OFF active, you can flash any stock rom and not lose root. All you would need to do is reflash RA or Clockwork to get back to recovery and flash roms again. Unrevoked forever is the program we used to change the security setting.
So. That is only true for the EVO?
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro
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yeah I think so.
The new HTC Desire Z and HD had "better" security from htc, basically you can't write anything to nand (/system) until you perma rooted, even then some things such as recovery needed s-off before we could write to that partition.

im going to have to give up on this
i have tried to follow the guide to get s-off but i find it too complicated. I have my phone rooted with visionary but i think thats as far as im going to get.
tried to install the adb thing and get that working but it never recognises the phone. when i remove the drivers and plug it back in then windows automatically installs the drivers again so i never have the option to manually instll them.
this is just becoming a nightmare
someone make it simple for me please....the thread is pages and pages long and even then it seems there are problems

hpsauce37 said:
im going to have to give up on this
i have tried to follow the guide to get s-off but i find it too complicated. I have my phone rooted with visionary but i think thats as far as im going to get.
tried to install the adb thing and get that working but it never recognises the phone. when i remove the drivers and plug it back in then windows automatically installs the drivers again so i never have the option to manually instll them.
this is just becoming a nightmare
someone make it simple for me please....the thread is pages and pages long and even then it seems there are problems
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Have you tried my guide on adb ? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=865685

OK, I can use some help too
I have a DZ with stock ROM, root and s-off and CWR.
In my enthusiasm that I knew how to flash rom updates with clockwork (I am running the Godspeed 1Ghz) I downloaded the Gingerbread keyboard rom update from the G2 forum. I think I jumped off a bit too fast...
And now I am stuck in an infinite boot loop. I can get into Clockwork recovery but it just loops the "HTC Quietly Brilliant" forever including the annoying boot sound...
I tried some suggestions to download and reflash a second time, no effect.
I tried to mount /system before flashing, no effect.
Am I forced to go back to factory now?
Also, I found 2 gingerbread keyboards, one in the G2 forum and one over here.
Anyone know what the difference is? They have a different filesize..
Any help is welcome...
*edit*
OK so now I read that it is only to be flashed on a non-stock ROM... so I am now flashing Cyanogen 6.1

try wiping all the caches...

Lennyuk said:
yeah I think so.
The new HTC Desire Z and HD had "better" security from htc, basically you can't write anything to nand (/system) until you perma rooted, even then some things such as recovery needed s-off before we could write to that partition.
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Wow. I'm really sorry guys. I never knew that's how non evo worked. That totally sucks.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk Pro

rwcj63 said:
Wow. I'm really sorry guys. I never knew that's how non evo worked. That totally sucks.
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S'alright.
HTC really ramped up the security on these new phones, as Lenny said, with this hardware write-protection on certain partitions. But even given that, I was amazed by just how quickly the guys on the #G2ROOT IRC channel, especially Scotty2, managed to crack it !
It also looks like they've opened the phone even wider than many others before, with the "true" radio S-OFF that they achieved.
You can read up all about it in the Wiki - http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Vision

[Q] Just a question or two before I root

I am new to rooting a phone and have read count less threads on this site. First I have to say that this is one of the best forums I have come across. My first question I have decided to use the Universal Auto Root method found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
First I want to stay with the Stock Evo Rom for now, not the Sprint Lovers Rom. Is there a way to not flash that rom using UAR or can I just Flash the Stock rom back after I have rooted the phone. If I have to flash the stock rom back then can someone point me in the right direction for a tutorial with the stock rom. I have modded other things besides phones and have no problem reading to find the answers. Most people that have problems just say "Oh I will root my phone today" and do not do the research before hand and in up with a paper weight. I have been read for about a week now and am just now getting to where I understand parts of the process.

Smurph82 said:
I am new to rooting a phone and have read count less threads on this site. First I have to say that this is one of the best forums I have come across. My first question I have decided to use the Universal Auto Root method found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
First I want to stay with the Stock Evo Rom for now, not the Sprint Lovers Rom. Is there a way to not flash that rom using UAR or can I just Flash the Stock rom back after I have rooted the phone. If I have to flash the stock rom back then can someone point me in the right direction for a tutorial with the stock rom. I have modded other things besides phones and have no problem reading to find the answers. Most people that have problems just say "Oh I will root my phone today" and do not do the research before hand and in up with a paper weight. I have been read for about a week now and am just now getting to where I understand parts of the process.
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I'm not familiar with that root method, so I'm not sure if there's a way to bypass the flashing of SpringtLovers, although I'd assume there is a way. Any time I've ever used Unrevoked to root, it never touched the ROM. After using Unrevoked, all the apps I previously had are still there and its on the same ROM. The only differences are that the bootloader will be S-off, you'll have clockwork recovery flashed, and you'll have the Super User app. With all that said, Sprint Lovers is about the exact same thing as stock, as far as I can tell. I flashed it on my girl's phone, because she liked her stock rom. The only differences are I noticed are very subtle, such as the battery indicator having the % value in it, the wireless tether app being added, and I believe it's deodexed. (and probably a few other things, maybe some optimizations and stuff) But as far as looks, it's identical to a stock ROM.

k2buckley said:
I'm not familiar with that root method, so I'm not sure if there's a way to bypass the flashing of Spring Lovers, although I'd assume there is a way. Any time I've ever used Unrevoked to root, it never touched the ROM. After using Unrevoked, all the apps I previously had are still there and its on the same ROM. The only differences are that the bootloader will be S-off, you'll have clockwork recovery flashed, and you'll have the Super User app. With all that said, Sprint Lovers is about the exact same thing as stock, as far as I can tell. I flashed it on my girl's phone, because she liked her stock rom. The only differences are I noticed are very subtle, such as the battery indicator having the % value in it, the wireless tether app being added, and I believe it's deodexed. (and probably a few other things, maybe some optimizations and stuff) But as far as looks, it's identical to a stock ROM.
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You're correct, the only thing unrevoked does is root your phone and roots your current rom, in this case, stock with root access. So OP, I think you may want to use unrevoked for this case.

I have read that Amon Ra is better than clockwork recovery that was the main reason I was thinking of the UAR. Weird thing is that my system just finished a virus scan and it said that the UAR had something called Lotoor in it. Now I don't that I will download it. Is there a way to use unrevoked and then put Amon Ra on it. Better yet I have read that the Toast method is good but I have not found it in a tutorial. Is there one available. If I use unrevoked then how do you get clockwork removed and install Amon Ra.

Smurph82 said:
I have read that Amon Ra is better than clockwork recovery that was the main reason I was thinking of the UAR. Weird thing is that my system just finished a virus scan and it said that the UAR had something called Lotoor in it. Now I don't that I will download it. Is there a way to use unrevoked and then put Amon Ra on it. Better yet I have read that the Toast method is good but I have not found it in a tutorial. Is there one available. If I use unrevoked then how do you get clockwork removed and install Amon Ra.
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Flash the file attached in the bootloader. Apply update, reboot, and then reboot back into recovery and you'll be on amon_ra 2.3. The amon_ra recovery is inside it, no needc to rename or extract the file.

teh roxxorz said:
Flash the file attached in the bootloader. Apply update, reboot, and then reboot back into recovery and you'll be on amon_ra 2.3. The amon_ra recovery is inside it, no needc to rename or extract the file.
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Yup, like teh roxx said, you can use Unrevoked, then change to Amon Ra. And yes, Amon Ra is better (in my opinion). You can change recoveries any time you want, you could try them both out and see which works better for you if you wanted to. If you do run Unrevoked, just be sure that you remove htc sync, that you install the hboot drivers, and that you have no programs on your pc running that can talk to your phone (htc sync, pda net, easytether, doubletwist etc etc) and you also want to disable your anti virus when you run it, as that can also interfere.

Ok just so I get this straight first. The easiest way to do this would be to first use Unrevoked v3.32 to get root. Then go into recovery and with that image in the root of the sd card and update the phone with it. Then reboot and I would have Amon Ra installed after that. Would the affect unrevoked from working by changing from clockwork to Amon Ra. After I ran unrevoked would I need to run the unrevoked forever as well.

Smurph82 said:
Ok just so I get this straight first. The easiest way to do this would be to first use Unrevoked v3.32 to get root. Then go into recovery and with that image in the root of the sd card and update the phone with it. Then reboot and I would have Amon Ra installed after that. Would the affect unrevoked from working by changing from clockwork to Amon Ra. After I ran unrevoked would I need to run the unrevoked forever as well.
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After using unrevoked, you boot into the bootloader, the white screen with the androids skating boarding to flash the file, not recovery, and then reboot. And no, changing recoveries after using unrevoked won't affect it, and yes, you would flash the forever zip in recovery after doing the previous steps.

Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.

Smurph82 said:
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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Unrevoked give you root, but flashing the unrevoked forever gives you the nand unlock. And to unroot, you flash the S-ON tool, then you flash the lastest RUU for you hboot, in this case, 3.70.

Smurph82 said:
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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Unrevoked does give you full root, nand unlocked. Full root capabilities. Nandroid backups and restore galore. To unroot, you flash the unrevoked s on tool with recovery. Then run RUU. That's it. Nice and simple.
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Smurph82 said:
Last question I promise because it is getting late here and I am not going to do this right now maybe tomorrow, well later today. Does running Unrevoked give you a full root. I have read that a full root is where the nand is unlocked and that gives you the ability to run nandroid to back up your phone. Also To remove root if I ever needed to go stock again do I uninstall unrevoked or to I install the lastest RUU from Sprint, and if so where to find them.
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http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/194918-rooting-dummies.html
this thread is very helpful for the unrevoked method, and yes unrevoked gives you full root including nand

k2buckley how did you get your details and specs in your post. I looked for somewhere to add them but I could not find them anywhere.

teh roxxorz said:
Unrevoked give you root, but flashing the unrevoked forever gives you the nand unlock. And to unroot, you flash the S-ON tool, then you flash the lastest RUU for you hboot, in this case, 3.70.
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Actually, Unrevoked unlocks NAND, too. Honestly, I don't know what the difference it between Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, but the regular Unrevoked turns "s" off, too. I've rooted two Evo's within the past month with the regular Unrevoked, and "s" was off and I flashed custom roms and all on both of the phones.
From the unrevoked website:
"unrevoked3 will permanently unlock NAND write protection by default on the following phones"
"unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF."
I've wondered what the difference is between one and the other for a good while now.
Smurph82 said:
k2buckley how did you get your details and specs in your post. I looked for somewhere to add them but I could not find them anywhere.
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Go into the "user CP" and edit your signature.

rugedraw said:
Actually, Unrevoked unlocks NAND, too. Honestly, I don't know what the difference it between Unrevoked and Unrevoked Forever, but the regular Unrevoked turns "s" off, too. I've rooted two Evo's within the past month with the regular Unrevoked, and "s" was off and I flashed custom roms and all on both of the phones.
From the unrevoked website:
"unrevoked3 will permanently unlock NAND write protection by default on the following phones"
"unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF."
I've wondered what the difference is between one and the other for a good while now.
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Well yes, it does give you nand unlock, but if you don't flash the forever zip, you won't be able to make the system changes, like changing the splash screen.
From the site: "unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF. The security level is a flag stored on the radio; when the flag is S-OFF, the bootloader (HBOOT) will no longer check the signatures of firmware images before flashing them. This allows custom firmware images to be uploaded, including unsigned boot, recovery, splash1, and hboot images (as well as official images that have been modified). When the system is S-OFF, the NAND flash memory protection is also reduced; this allows all partitions (including /system) to be written to while the operating system is booted."

teh roxxorz said:
Well yes, it does give you nand unlock, but if you don't flash the forever zip, you won't be able to make the system changes, like changing the splash screen.
From the site: "unrevoked forever is a tool to set your Android phone's security level to S-OFF. The security level is a flag stored on the radio; when the flag is S-OFF, the bootloader (HBOOT) will no longer check the signatures of firmware images before flashing them. This allows custom firmware images to be uploaded, including unsigned boot, recovery, splash1, and hboot images (as well as official images that have been modified). When the system is S-OFF, the NAND flash memory protection is also reduced; this allows all partitions (including /system) to be written to while the operating system is booted."
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Hmmm....so on the phones I used Unrevoked3 on, I will not be able to push/flash a splash screen onto it? I still don't quite understand the difference, but thanks for your input. I obviously still have A LOT to learn. lol

I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.

rugedraw said:
Hmmm....so on the phones I used Unrevoked3 on, I will not be able to push/flash a splash screen onto it? I still don't quite understand the difference, but thanks for your input. I obviously still have A LOT to learn. lol
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Yea, it'll tell you no permissions, ect. And if you used unrevoked, to flash a splash is slightly different than the standard method, and I can tell you if you want to know. The unrevoked, goes to a low level to unlock those permissions.
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I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.
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Well i started using the toast method, but it didn't work for me, since when I got my Evo 2.2 JUST came out, and people were scrambling blah blah, I digress. And what do you mean by backdoor? If you root using unrevoked you get all the same permissions/benefits of rooting as those with the toast method. And using a program like lookout security wouldn't affect your phone at all.

Smurph82 said:
I keep seeing where people are using something called the Toast method to root their phone. Is that where you do everything from the command line. I bet a lot of people don't even remember the command line haha. Is there really any difference between the two (Unrevoked and Toast). What about security. Does rooting with Unrevoked have any back doors or anything like that. I don't mean to offend anyone just asking the question, I think that all the work people put into things like this are great. I work in high security areas and this is always on my mind. If I install something like Lookout Mobile Security could that mess with the phone being rooted. You all are great.
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I used Toast's Part 1 & 2 method to root back in June mainly because it was the only thing available. It was not a noob friendly process, IMO, but it worked and my phone is still rooted to this day using his method. Also, it forced me to learn a few things that I wouldn't have had I had Unrevoked at my disposal.
However, I believe Toast's methods are outdated now as the current Evo software and hboots require different exploits to obtain root.

teh roxxorz said:
Yea, it'll tell you no permissions, ect. And if you used unrevoked, to flash a splash is slightly different than the standard method, and I can tell you if you want to know. The unrevoked, goes to a low level to unlock those permissions.
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Thanks, man.....I always see you on here helping people out and you are an asset to the XDA community. However, I Unrevoked the phones for some people that wanted wireless tether and screen shots......they could care less for the splash screens. Plus, I'm sure I can Google it and figure it out if it comes down to it. Mainly, I was asking for the knowledge as to "why" more than "how", and I think I follow now.
Your help is much appreciated, though.

[Q] Unrevoked stuck at "Flashing recovery. Do not touch your phone!"

I was running unrevoked3 in order to full root my phone (I think it was rooted, but not nand unlocked before - I was running the Fresh Rom and want to switch to cyannogen)
After unrevoked went through two root processes, and stated "this is a triumph," the phone rebooted again and got stuck at the HTC EVO 4G white screen.
Unrevoked states ""Flashing recovery. Do not touch your phone!" So, uh, I don't want to touch my phone.
What do? Should I just pull the battery and try again? or am I going to brick the freaking thing?
It's been on the white screen for a half hour now.

Just so you know, all you had to do was flash unrevoked forever through recovery.
I think it's fine to unplug or pull the battery. Afterwards, you may need to flash recovery, but other than that you should be fine.
(from... Evo/MIUI/Tapatalk)

Hmmm. Flashing the recovery should take next to el zilcho in time.
You stated that you possibly already had root user access on your evo, but you were not sure if you had unlocked nand. Then you tried to run unrevoked again to fully root.
I believe it's a bad idea to perform a root method which is designed to perform a full root operation as if your device was fully stock, on a partial root device.
As long as the process is only trying to flash a recovery you should be OK to pull the battery.
Here are my suggestions to continue:
- Find the AmonRa PC36IMG in his thread in the dev section. Place on root of SD card. Poweroff device - Reboot into bootloader and let the recovery flash.
- If this does not work, I would recommend running a 3.70 RUU (ONLY if you are on a 3.70 ROM) and retry the root process.
Hope everything works out.
If anyone else has something to add, please do!

The first time I rooted mine, the same thing happened. I was on the IRC Channel and a few guys were talking me through it, and one guy said just pull the battery nad reboot to Hboot and reflash recovery using Amon Ra (PC36IMG Version), which I did and it was no problem.

After going to unrevoked's IRC channel, and being directed to pull the battery and then follow these instructions (since i was already S-OFF): h.ttp://noobgui.de/wiki/index.php?title=What_to_do_if_you're_S-OFF_but_can't_get_root (sorry for the broken link I'm not at the point where I can post them).
Everything seems fixed. Pretty sure that's about the same thing as what you said. Thanks.

do you have S-off or the NEWEST 2.3.3 OS?
If you are S-on and on 2.3.3 why the hell are you trying to run UNREVOKED AGAIN, you cannot gain root throught that method because it doesn't work with the NEW HBOOT.
If you have S-off DOWNLOAD AMON RA NEWEST RECOVERY and put it on your SD CARD
Pull the battery from your phone put the battery back in, HOLD VOLUME DOWN and POWER on the PHONE you will be in the RECOVERY screen now let the PC36IMG.zip install and you will regain THE FULL RECOVERY and be able to flash any rom you desire, if you need ROOT all you have to do is INSTALL the SUPER USER & BUSY BOX from recovery to have a fully rooted 2.3.3
OR After installing Amon Ra's Recovery Image, just flash the Deoexed 2.3.3 over your current 2.3.3 you will be deoxed and full rooted and you wont have to reinstall any apps or change your current arrangement

RMelyon said:
After going to unrevoked's IRC channel, and being directed to pull the battery and then follow these instructions (since i was already S-OFF): h.ttp://noobgui.de/wiki/index.php?title=What_to_do_if_you're_S-OFF_but_can't_get_root (sorry for the broken link I'm not at the point where I can post them).
Everything seems fixed. Pretty sure that's about the same thing as what you said. Thanks.
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My dumb-ass should have told you to go to their IRC channel. Those guys are real quick to be helpful. Good deal getting it working.