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will anyone be porting cyanogen Roms

HI there I am sure there is a lot of people who want this Rom. We have the kernal now someone must be able to do it.

You perhaps?
Seriously though, I started looking into building the 2.69.29 kernel, and got as far as setting up a development environment and building the 2.69.27 kernel from source.
However, Google then announced Android 2.0, and HTC announced that the Hero would be getting it, so I rather lost interest in spending a load of time on something which will likely become obsolete in a few weeks. I'm sure that's the case for many people here who were thinking about dipping their toes in.
Regards,
Dave

Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.

chuckhriczko said:
Yes but remember if you learn how to compile kernels and all that fun stuff then you can help bring the latetst and greatest to the phone after 2.0. Thats what Im trying to do. I have a CDMA Hero so I'm trying to help build the dev community there.
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I know how to build kernels - it's the balls-aching work of adding the HTC changes to 2.69.29 that doesn't interest me because I can tell you for certain, it won't be fun! Given that 2.0 is just around the corner (hopefully!), I personally don't see much benefit at this stage.
Regards,
Dave

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Just have patience. As I have stated I came from the Dream forums. Quite honestly, I would still have my Dream if I didnt have to switch to Sprint but I did and now have the Hero. Thing is, we are rolling along pretty well. We just need patience. It took a long time to get more devs working on the Dream. At first we just had JesusFreke for the longest time but then we got Haykuro who was an amazing dev. Then Cyanogen came along and so did the others. I am working hard trying to learn this stuff as I am sure a lot of us are. Just be patient. The Hero will get it's due.

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
I mean like F*CK reiserFS and ext5 kernel support. WTF will that give us?
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING. If I had a G1, which is 150 euros cheaper, I would be running 1.6 WITH the Sense UI, should I ever want that. With full WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS, camera, trackball, sensor, everything.
Now I am stuck with an ugly ass branded Hero.
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Wow, I have no words at all. I would be flaming this guys post if I wasnt this tired..

Foxmeister is right. Seriously, with the rapid changes in play, with HTC announcing they will be bringing Android 2.0 to the Hero soon, it makes little sense to invest time right now tweaking a kernel build that will be obsoleted. Hopefully HTC will give us an Android 2.0 build for Xmas. Then, we will start doing some serious playing with the kernel.

E2K said:
The situation now is like this:
(Linux analogy.)
-How is your linux install going?
"Well, I am just finishing patching my kernel, because I don't need SSE4 instructions you know, plus I want to add-in reiserFS support, you never know when that will come in handy "
-Cool, so you got everything working?
"Err, no. They headphone jack does not work, also the trackpad of my laptop does not work. I can't connect to my wifi router, hmm, what else?
Oh yeah, bluetooth does not seem to work, but who uses that anyway "
-...yeah, indeed, who uses wifi, or the trackpad right? I believe that you are skilled enough, that if you devoted your reiserFS and sse4 time to making the basic things work, you would have it running in no time!
"stfu noob! who are you to tell me which features I use or don't use??"
Yeah, it ends in tears of course
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And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...

behnaam said:
And did u do anything to change this situation but naging?
Seriuosly dude, you are not contributing anything at all to this community right now. And you are naging about others work?
And people have real lifes outside of xda development...
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I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe

E2K said:
yeah, it would be the biggest investment ever on the Hero board to learn how to change the HTC apps to the original android apps...
SNIP>>>
I seriously hate all the people who told me and who wrote that the Sense UI was great. I hope all their phones brick!
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Hahah hilarious, you're a credit to this forum, and to the unluckly humans that bore you.
Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
E2K said:
I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
Nobody is listening, and all the devs 'we have' (I mean people who develop Hero firmwares) are all working seperate on having their own modded, or not modded, ext3 or ext4 support, 1.5 or 1.6 kernels.
I know that I may sound like a noob, but I believe I have a point.
My contribution is insight. The insight that people who work separate lack; the knowledge that if all you hero Devs would work together, nothing could stop you.
You would be uploading videos of Google navigation on Hero even before the G1 had it. I believe in your combined skills, I really do.
I would have sold my Hero after 4 days if I did not believe
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Your contribution isn't insight, it's just an attempt to reduce the phone to the same Android device that everyone else has, instead of making improvements/optimisations to better the way the standard device works with kernel improvements, speed increases and new features.

Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???

E2K said:
I tried a 100 times to make developers realize that the knowledge to replace apps with 'real android' ones, will be worth everything, as it will be instant "vanilla" android 2.0 when that hits, including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
Regards,
Dave

kwiksand said:
Why don't you help with the ION/Cupcake development effort anyway (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578162)???
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What is there to help?
post things like:
"Oh I'm so sad that your computer broke down D': !!!"
"wow I hoppe you really get the accelerometer working!!"
Come on now.
Nobody is making progress by posting in that thread. I read every single page so I know. The only progress is done by the poor developer, poor because people will forget about him as soon as a better one stands up; or when HTC releases 2.0
I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day, and bring to us the closest to vanilla android as is possible without having actual vanilla android (which would not have proper wifi, BT, accelerometer, headphone support, etc etc etc anyway)

foxmeister said:
Oh I see - so just because you want this, you think someone else should spend *their* time and effort to achieve *your* goals. That is no contribution.
According to this poll, it is currently over 7 to 1 in favour of Sense UI (subject to change of course! ), but because *you* don't like it you think that devs shouldn't worry about Sense UI and look at vanilla Android!
As I've already stated, IMHO working on a 2.69.29 kernel is a pointless waste of time right now, as we can expect HTC to drop a fully functional Android 2.0 *with* Sense UI in the near future. Once we have that, the kernel ripped out and dumped into a vanilla Android build, but this will only be done by some who knows how to do it, and crucially wants to!
Here's a tip - if you don't like it, go and build a new version yourself. There's nothing stopping you!
Regards,
Dave
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Everyone who is working on 2.69.29 in a way is pointless, because it is too hard for them to ever get a fully functional android anyway.
They know this themselves.
Their biggest achievement would be to get even half the stuff working, we are not talking about a fully functional rom here!
I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.

E2K said:
I did my part in mailing, calling and twittering HTC to release the source, so that the Devs could do what they do best better; develop.
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E2K said:
I wanted to cherish that developer because I believe he is skilled enough to replace the HTC apps one day
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E2K said:
It was a mistake to buy a Hero. It cost me 340 Euros, to see people f*cking around, while achieving NOTHING
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Yeh - you're really helpful - when it comes to bad mouthing people, because you can't get what you want and aren't skilled enough to do it yourself. Great job at "cherishing" benhaam, I can see he's really impressed by your attitude.
E2K said:
I am a poor med student, I don't have money to throw around on another android phone, I need to buy books and ****.
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Here's a suggestion, if you stop talking it, you could just concentrate on buying the books!
Once again, you've missed the crucial point, and that is that no one around here wants to piss around with Donut etc, when Eclair for the Hero is just around the corner.
If you want a vanilla Android device, sell your Hero and buy a 32A Magic. I'm sure you'd find someone in the Sapphire forums willing to trade!
Dave

Hi Dave,
I appreciate that you give your opinion!
I understand that 2.0 is around the corner, and that because of that, nobody wants to invest in 'old' roms, which is understandable.
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.

kwiksand said:
Seriously, have you got nothing better to complain about? If you don't like Sense UI, then go and buy the Magic or the Samsung Galaxy, at least we wouldn't have to listen to your whinging here...
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Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

E2K said:
including Google navigation (should HTC decide to leave that out).
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E2K said:
My contribution is insight.
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i will write that down.
E2K said:
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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still, the only problem we have is that you and three others are the only four people in the world that want to have a vanilla android over htc sense...
so devs team up and the world... erh no the mighty group of four shall be yours forever... until eclair is released.

stingerpl said:
Sense UI is useless and poorly coded. I bought the Hero because I was convinced that I can actually disable this. I like the form-factor of the Hero - thats why I bought it. Not this useless eye-candy.
If a stable release of a vanilla android 2.0 comes out for the Hero I would jump on it right away and I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.
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Same here!
The build quality and the form-factor were my reasons for getting the hero, I really wanted an android phone (without keyboard) and this one had the best processor (7200A instead of 7201) and most memory.

E2K said:
Still, as I tried to explain many times; the know-how of changing stock apps, can be used on any version of android. That is why I said it would be an investment;
Let's say HTC does not include the vanilla android navigation application in 2.0..
When we are able to exchange the apps, we can fix that in 1 day.
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It's not a worthwhile investment IMHO.
Once 2.0 drops for the Hero, you'd be able to build a vanilla 2.0 from the Eclair AOSP because you'll have the correct kernel (2.69.31 I think) with all the HTC driver specific parts. You could do the same today for 1.5 (Cupcake) because we already have the correct kernel for this.
The issue with doing this for Donut is that there's quite a lot of work porting the HTC kernel changes from 2.69.27 to 2.69.29, and this will *all* be rendered redundant when 2.0 drops.
As an aside, there is no reason at all to expect that HTC won't include Google Maps Navigation in their 2.0 build for Hero, but even if they don't getting it working should be relatively trivial. Getting it working on Cupcake though, which is two generations of OS behind, would be much, much harder and again wasted effort once 2.0 is finally available.
Regards,
Dave

will Android ever be complete?

Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.

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Not trying to be a jerk, this is a sincere question. I really like my Tilt2 and don't want to get a newer phone with Droid on it. My phone is really, imo, built solid and has almost never failed to perform. I know it's a little heavy, but that doesn't bother me. I really would love to have a fully functional Droid that I could use. Mainly because I really don't like Apple and won't get an Iphone, even though I think the I-4 is a cool phone. Is there anything I can do as a forum member to help get this project further along? I was wondering if we could all maybe tackle 1 thing each and help out. Might not be anything I can do, but I'm willing to help if I can.
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I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel, I think most of the support we had will move towards getting Android on better, newer, and more capable devices like the HD2. In addition, most of the remaining problems with getting Android completely working are the ones that were very difficult to begin with. Things like initializing hardware correctly, and figuring out how to get the various parts of the device to talk to each other. I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).

it seemed at first that android for the touch pro would never work but now the only thing that doesnt work is the camera. maybe the touch pro 2 will get to that level some day. who knows.

So from what I gathered, the Tilt 2 won't be having any further development to work with Android? I also still have my Fuze. Is that development continuing? If so, maybe I will keep my Fuze instead of selling it and use it to test with Android?
By the way, what is the real name for the Tilt 2? Is it Rhodium or ?
Thanks guys, this place really ROXS!
I await your replies!
ITAdmin

I'm not sure what you mean by complete. New builds are released all the time, etc. If you mean all hardware functioning, here is the list from Reefer's thread:
NOT WORKING IN THIS BUILD:
BT
Sound (in call mic and earpiece work, no ringtones or music)
Camera
Opengles: using software rendering for the time being.
Battery Meter
For sound, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121743
One guy has made an NDISwrapper for Android...amazing.
For HW3D, look here: http://www.ppcgeeks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125379
Battery Meter is working very well. It's not accurate (seems like it's 10-15% off) but it shows low, which means you can get charged up in time with no problems. I also recall phhusson saying this WILL be 100% some day, it's just very tedious and time consuming, and everyone is more concerned with making things run better and on more hardware.
In other words, development is still very much active and some very smart people are working on these problems. I believe Mr. Steve Ballmer said it best here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4
If you're patient, more of the pieces will come together soon enough and Android for our device will be more complete (relatively speaking). For the record, I'm very content with the state of things. All development from here is just icing on the cake
Mods, if I'm not supposed to link to outside forums, just delete them and/or let me know. That's just where the more technical info is.

i thought sound was fixed already today there was a new build for rhodium?.

i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.

bas85 said:
i think sound just got added but not for music. I think they upgraded the sound in the earpiece and speaker works now.
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This is incorrect. Please leave the release posts to those doing the releasing.
DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
I don't think anyone can be sure that Android will ever be finished. The developers have done much for this device, but with the HD2 finally able to boot the Linux kernel... ...I'm honestly kind of doubtful that we will see more development with Android on the Pro2, since AFAIK only one person is working on it (though I hope I'm wrong).
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This is also incorrect. TP2 development is moving along faster now than it has been in a while. Not everyone wants a HD2 just beacuse it can boot android. Sure it has a fancy screen but no hardware keyboard, so i'm not even considering it as an option for a new device. Also, for future reference there are quite a few more than just one person working on this...

Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.

Hamsteriel said:
Also, define finished? The OS itself is in constant development. Will Android itself ever be finished? I hope not.
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ok, point taken. When will Android ever be fully functional on the Tilt 2 phone?

Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.

Hamsteriel said:
Now! Then! No, Then! When it's done. This isn't a native OS, don't go in expecting perfection. Go in expecting nothing and be amazed with every update. The alternative is to port it yourself. Good luck with that.
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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway

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My initial question was pretty point blank. Don't expect perfection, just would like full functionality on my phone because I like the AnDroid OS. The question was never meant to be a gripe, not sure why it struck a chord with you. I don't know how to port it, so luck is not needed. Thanks anyway
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Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
Code:
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anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.

The Jack of Clubs said:
anyone seen how complete android is on the hd2? even the camera works. and it has a sense version. i want one of those 4.3" phones and ive held off because i want my next phone to be an android phone but the only large android phones are cdma. im thinking i may look around for an hd2 soon.
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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.

Anomoly said:
Are you serious?!?! What you are asking is very disrespectful because You obviously haven't even read the FAQ/WIKI because it states:
5) When will the next release be out? I can't wait to get more features on my phone!
The next release will be out when the developers are able to get it ready. They are contributing their time for free and can't work on it full time. If you want to help speed development, make a donation to one of the main developers to help encourage them, don't pester them by asking a million times when the next release will be out when they won't know until it is ready.
hope this helps clear things up.
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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.

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Didn't have a clue I was being disrespectful. Maybe a couple people here just wear their hearts on their sleeves.
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you didn't have a clue mmh ? what where you thinking ? that those people are well paid for doing it, and because of that your in position to come here and whine ?
and it's nothing about wearing hearts on sleeves, since it's only repeating the obvious like breaking in open doors.
however, I have some question :
Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?

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Is it possible to have a feedback from some developer if it is a question of money to make things go further. if yes, what would it be approximately.
because, it is nice to encourage people to donate, but I didn't read anywhere from some person actually working on the project that it is indeed a question of money.
maybe this would be the first thing to find out ? from the developers side, is there anything that "non-aware" people can make to get things go further ?
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there's a bounty started for this, but i haven't been following it, i don't know how up to date it is. i'd link to it, but i'm not allowed to post links yet...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=596370

Anomoly said:
You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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I bought my HD2 as soon as it came out but I still want android on the tp2. I know its frustrating waiting for what seems forever. If you really cant wait go get a better more capable phone. The hd2 is great multipurpose device.
<3 my wing/tp2/hd2

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You might as well wait a few months, there will be a bigger, better, brighter android (as we have seen the last few months) - if you can't wait, the HD2 is very nice.
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like what? it has to work on atts network.

I think Android on the Rhodium is a lost cause now :(

I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.

yup its dead .. now lets move on.

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yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL

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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!

I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..

Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device

Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?

knappad said:
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.

Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme

No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH

OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.

Reefer for president !!!

agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android

You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.

or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..

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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.

Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.

sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.

android woes on touch pro 2,which android to use?

i used to have a htc vogue (aka htc touch vx 6900 US Cellular) that would run android eclair but slowly. i was due for an upgrade and picked up the more powerful touch pro 2 specifically to run android smoother. i love the dual boot between a nice custom win mo rom and android,however, ive noticed there isnt nearly as many diffrent android developers trying to port or whatever the term is to get it to work on the touch pro 2 like there is with win mobile roms. project android froyo ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff but even on a overclock runs like crap,lagging and not running certain apps. the klinux eclair 2.1 sense UI is great but locks up,lags,no sounds and has no internet. neopeek's eclair runs the best out of them all,super fast and responsive but no internet,no live wall paper and no sounds.
can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project or update that can bring me as close to a functioning android OS that will work. eclair looks promising on speed,but there is to much that is still broke on it. thx

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can anyone point me in the right direction of a actual android project
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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.

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Are you implying the existing projects are not "actual"?
People have put a lot of time and effort into these projects, and that type of comment is not going to get you a lot of love on this forum.
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when i said "actual" i ment one that works, im not trying to criticize any of the developers here or not be appreciative. im just looking to have android run as smooth as everyone else does on their tp2.

TP2 Development
I am experiencing the same situation as you, but understand the TP2 is still under heavy development. Now that sound is working I would imagine stability and other features will be addressed in the next few weeks. If you want a phone that will work perfectly with Android switch to the HTC Desire that US Cellular just put out a few weeks back, it ships with Android. You can buy yourself out of the contract pro-rated for the time you have left. You cannot expect a phone that ships with Windows Mobile to run Android flawlessly. If you want to increase progress you can download the development tools and help, or you can post a bounty for items you would like addressed. You could also download the 6/20 version of MightyROM and enjoy a stable WM6.5 build. Good luck!

They all work, just to varying degrees.
([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) has the most working stuff
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That's probably the best build right there. If you were expecting Android to run flawlessly on your fancy new phone, you are very, very mistaken.
If you want Android to run like it does on Android-specific devices... then you probably should've bought an Android device.

yea, i know its still under dev, but its like i have to choose between lag on froyo builds but almost everything works,or eclair builds that run as smooth as silk but miss out on my data connection,gps,ect ect.
ive just spent so much time into studying everything into android development and installation/updates ect ect and i still haven't even scratched the surface and it becomes frustrating after a full month of installing and deleting and back and forth testing,trust me, i know we all do the same here,but my eyes are burning from reading so many forums/topics/guides and i figure ill just ask if anyone has got a few of the bugs i have mentioned out of the way.
i can appreciate that somethings dont work cause thats just the way it is,but the kicker here is that the froyo build has almost everything working correctly, not to go back right not and look at the topic,but the only thing thats not working is camera,battery and bluetooth i think? and no big deal i dont need it anyways right now, but why cant i get an eclair build in the same working order?
i just would of thought that what could be applied to froyo could just as easily been applied to eclair.
im on neopeek v1.1 eclair right now,im going to see if i can get my data connection for US cell to work with a few tweaks,but ill miss the live wallpapers and gps.

C'est la vie buddy.

lol,now after applying a fix for US cell's data network gps works but no data
rofl,this stuff is killing me! lol

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when i said "actual" i ment one that works
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This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.

redpoint73 said:
This phrasing isn't any better.
The projects you've tried are as "actual" as it gets for now.
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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.

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omfg,stop being so anal. im sorry i didnt go to college and become a great English and writing major. if anyone can understand my meaning fine,and for anyone that twists their panties in a bunch im sorry. but im here asking for advice/questions/suggestions not trying to create a flame war or trolling. im sorry it insults you.
something i may have over looked is the possibility that other android builds are for gsm and NOT cdma? opps... but idk yet for sure, so far the best going is ([PRJ][GSM&CDMA][CAB&RAR] XDAndroid AOSP Port & Startup Utility [8/30] FIXED NOISE!) and i think ill just be going back to that. keep up the great work guys,looking forward to future updates.
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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...

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You're... acting like a child dude. Hence the backlash.
Basically you're wanting something that a company would pay a hundred people to code & get 'perfect' - well this project is done by volunteers in their free time.
I'm sure they would appreciate a donation, if you can't contribute in any other way...
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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?

how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
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I'm not sure what to tell you. I doubt my phone works any better than yours or anyone elses - it's FAR from perfect, as you've found and evidently have accepted.
So wait and be patient for new developments with the project - it's always gotten better & better.
With that said, I can only assume eclair development stopped because I know I'd prefer to run froyo over eclair... You can try throwing a new zImage/modules/rootfs at an eclair build, but no guranatees there.

Did you ever think it could be your SD card? Have you tried switching them out? Have you done a FULL (not quick) format to FAT32?
Froyo runs WAY faster than Eclair EVER did on my handset. There is no doubt about the difference, and thats why development shifted away from a dying and outdated version.

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um no,im not looking for perfection, im looking to find out which one if any i have overlooked works best as of current,either by a whole new development,or by updates or tweaks. how am i supposed to help contribute my findings and fixes when i cant get the damn thing as stable as it is on your phone?
when i say "works" i mean that as in what works for you? not as in its got to be 100 percent perfect.
once again let me explain why i started this thread seeing how we seem to not be on the same level of thinking here. ill be as clear as crystal so you dont miss a beat.follow with me here...
froyo from prj android works but has a few glitches here and there (and i applaud their work and contribution to us all and i dont expect it to be 100%),i would just like it run how everyone else has on their tp2 that ive seen on youtube. eclair runs faster and smoother and is more responsive but somethings are not working on TP2. is there any updates on eclair builds? is there anybody that is having lag issues on prj android froyo,or are there some tweaks/settings/ or apps to smooth it out? why has dev shifted from eclair to froyo if eclair was running as smooth as it is,or is it just my phone sucks for some reason and eclair runs faster on it?
im trying to see what other users settings are,other experiences and other alternatives. what "works" for you. not some kind of im asking for a whole re write of the port on my lap. or slave your work to me. but now weve already gone beyond that point now haven't we?
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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.

ambegojapes said:
the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else.
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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.

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What makes you say it's better than Neopeek's? A lot of users say that with the use of the Linux partitioning, that build runs much faster.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.

this is actually my 10th or more install of prj android froyo and this time for some weird reason it is faster.
yes i did format the sd card the long way, i used gparted live cd as well because i had to set it up for neopeek in 2 partitions . i have two sd cards at 2 and 4 gigs (i swap between) that i just decided to keep a 512mb partition in ext2 for projects like neopeek on both of them.
regardless this time around is giving me a faster experience on froyo, and i didnt edit change anything,just the common install with a soft restart as usual.i am using the blazn overclock i believe it is 716 or 768 mhz.
and of coarse i will keep you posted on any changes or fixes i find.

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the xdandroid port featuring froyo is the best there is atm, nothing else. You can overclock to get "perfection" if you think thats something you are allowed to say. Fact of the matter is that you arent developing these port, nor are you contributing in any way shape or form. If you are looking for a smooth android experience go get an android phone, if you want novelty and pioneering then stick to your TP2 and install xdandroid and stop arguing with other members on this forum.
As for all the questions you asked in the post I quoted, there is a search button you could use so that you dont have to start useless threads.
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I personally have tried them both and I just like xdandroid posted by reefer better, so I guess I should have said " in my opinion" rather than just "atm". my bad. I just hate it when people come into forums just to ask questions and to belittle the developers work and not search first themselves. Usually those are the people that are here solely to freeload and not even help with troubleshooting other members problems or post experiences.
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what is it with you people, didn't mommy and daddy love you enough as a child and teach you if you dont have anything good to say then dont say it all. who is belittling developers? i didnt come in here saying i think some one from this project or that is retarded,as a matter of fact i am grateful for the work these people have done and your trying to belittle me. im explaining what issues im having between different projects and jerks like you are trying to make me look like the bad guy.so comon down from your high horse and actually read what im talking about instead of jumping of the handle and making your self look like a complete jackass. yet once again, you miss the point. if i wanted an android phone i would of got one from the beginning ,i got a tp2 obviously to play around with android,see what it can do,what i can do to it and other reasons. ive got a few dev tools to create software for android i would like to use, so im asking questions, and if you sat a computer for as long as i have researching this with 30 or more tabs open trying to take notes from other threads,you'd be sick of reading all this other crap and post your own experiences/questions too.
and im a little well wiser than to keep stroking your ego,because people like you starve for the attention,otherwise you wouldnt jump into this thread to post your snotty ass comments.so if you wanna keep talking crap instead of offering something insightful to say,go ahead,cause im done dealing with **** heads like you.

Well another thread where you all jump on someone and make him look like an asshole for asking questions. How can you help people when you treat them like ****? I've been working with Linux and Android for a while now and I bet half of you write code that looks like a kid scribbling on the back of a McDonald´s napkin. I tell you what.. Treat people better and you just might have more people to aid in the projects and to the functionally quality. I have been messing with Linux and the open source development scene for years and this is a joke. Like a bunch of kids with computers and a power trip but on the same token you all write code like old people ****

Atrix got CM9 ICS ROM!!

Yup, the Atrix 4G, the phone I was previously on, which my mom is currently using, just got a CM9 ICS ROM -_-;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1445052
We need to start moving and trying to get ICS on the Nitro. Even the Rezound also got AOSP ICS port, albeit some things still borked.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-rezound-gets-pure-aosp-ice-cream-sandwich-port/
Despite all the talk of starting slow with some improvement ROMs and maybe a CM7, I hate to say this, but we need to get either CM9 or ICS, or at least some kind of progress towards it. Every phone out there, old and new, are getting ICS or CM9 infused into them, I don't believe we can't do so with ours. We will spark much more interest in people and members here and maybe even more Devs if we bring ICS to the table. What do you guys/gals think?

I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.

red_solo_cup said:
I agree.
This is my first Android device and I really enjoy it a lot, thus I hope this phone can get a lively community of mods, roms, etc. At the same time, the SGSII LTE HD will be launching on AT&T soon, and I think that in order for this community to thrive we need ICS before this launch. The SGSII LTE HD is just about equal to the Nitro HD as far as specs are concerned, many who demand 720p and LTE will have the choice between the Samsung and the LG. Due to reputation, Samsung will undoubtedly outsell the Nitro.
I write this not to be **** and try to boss around people who donate their time and receive no more than some meaningless "Thanks" count. I am very appreciative that we have people like Bytecode, Kernelpanic, Cloudraker, and Malnilliom. (sorry if I left some people out, these guys just came to mind)
Lastly, does anyone know where to get guides on doing things like "ROM-cooking" and CM ports. Like I said, this is my first Android phone and I really don't know where to begin looking for this kind of information.
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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!

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Yeah, I didn't even know about the Skyrocket HD until someone mentioned it here on our thread, and I immediately thought to myself, "Aww F*** we are screwed now". I think it's a **** move by AT&T to release their "flagship" phone under LG and then less than a month later announce the Skyrocket HD. Sorry to say this, had I known they were gonna release the Skyrocket HD, I would've waited for it over the Nitro. But alas, what's done is done, there's no need to cry over spilled milk, the best thing to do is to move on and prove we have the better phone than Samsung does. Anyways, I never was a fan of Samsung Phones since they started making phones. I find they always look..cheap
So with that, again like red solo cup said, thank you to all who have contributed countless amount of time n effort to support us; Let's bring it to the next level!
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谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！

xudejiong said:
谢谢大家的努力，我也非常的相信，一定可以让我们的p930更好！
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"Thank you for your efforts, I am very sure, will be able to make our p930 better!"

Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.

Heh , Dont have a nitro but i just synced CodeAurora ICS Port for MSM8660 (thanks to codeaurora for making life a bit easier for qcom products) , My first Task would be to port the kernel , Test it with CWM (before i brick my friend nitro)

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Best of luck. LG phones usually have mediocre/poor dev support.
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Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !

scott0 said:
Thank you for the well wishes! The dev/support for this device made that mainpage of XDA! Lots of progress and hard work from several devs !
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Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I'll be here but i can't port anything to any device as i'm not that knowledgable i could bring stock heavily modified roms though.

AllstarE4 said:
Does it mean great things when our device is on the main page? Or will it still get overlooked. Not being sarcastic, really curious.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.

It all sounds good to me. I'm new to all of this so I just don't know what to expect.
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I didn't say anything was great, I would not know what great means in terms of development on a phone released 7 weeks ago.
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In that time span a cwm has been developed and 2+ roms with atleast one more announced on the mainpage so someone here at xda seems to think that warrants front page headlines so I am trustin their judgement as well as acknowledging the hard work devs have already accomplished.
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Im very curious what Revolution is trying to bring to the table with his Domination HD Rom. More as the story progresses

WE should not even be thinking about sense/CM9 roms on here for awhile.

Quite frankly, I don't think CM will ever get around to making a ROM for this phone.

CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.

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CM9 is being ported to the Lag Nitro by Ricardo Cerqueira. Head out to his Google+ to see what he's done.
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Yup, we've known that for the past couple of weeks gerax thanks for spreading the word though. it's keeping the hopes alive for this phone