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a big request,so big that it can't be in requsts thread

request to mods/admins
please,please,please
I GET SICK WHEN I SEE THE GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD
the general discussion is full of LG,Samsung,Sony-Ericsson threads and posts about roms,apps,whole bunch of stuff which we don't support because they aren't htc
some guys/girls asked for separated threads for those listed above,but they didn't get them because they aren't htc products
and now they are clearly allowed to post about those devices in general discussion
(because you don't stop them)
so when we look it in technical way...it is spamming,as talking about cars,pc's, estates is
in general or any other thread (except for off topic thread)
PLEASE STOP THIS by removing those threads or by giving them a section,either ways let's keep the forum clean and cool....and easy to use and navigate
the third option is to give us shovels to dig our way out of omnias,i780-s,x-perias and whole bunch of crap
please think about this and let's do something
thanks
faruk

Off-Topic is the Apropos Place for this.
Ultimately though, General is a good place for non-HTC products. Most people stay within their own section.

JimmyMcGee said:
Off-Topic is the Apropos Place for this.
Ultimately though, General is a good place for non-HTC products. Most people stay within their own section.
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well we aren't windows mobile developers,at least it's not our name...we aren't support for wm devices,but for htc,as it's said in the welcome screen nad short "site about"
Welcome to xda-developers.com
This site is about certain PDA-phones, made by a firm called HTC in Taiwan. Their makers named them 'Wallaby', 'Himalaya', 'Blue Angel', 'Wizard' and 'TyTN', but almost nobody knows them by those names. The mobile provider O2 sells them under the brand-name 'XDA', and that's what we had in our hands first. They're also known as Qtek, MDA, SX-56, Hermes and many, many other names.
Since we develop software for it, we need information, and nobody seemed eager or ready to give us what we needed. So we 'reverse-engineered' the devices, found a lot of information, and shared it with the world. But as our site grew we realised that lots of ordinary users were also suffering from a lack of support. They started using the xda-developers forum to communicate and before long the forum was as much a user forum as it was a developer forum.
We hope that you will enjoy this site and find it as useful as we do. We encourage you to donate or otherwise support this site. Of course absolutely all proceeds from donations will benefit this community.
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and samsung is not htc so the place for them is off topic

farukb said:
well we aren't windows mobile developers,at least it's not our name...
and samsung is not htc
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Oh I know. If you look back at all the non-Htc Subforum request threads you will see me telling people no. But They still seem to think General is ok. I don't know what Admin's stand on this is.

JimmyMcGee said:
Oh I know. If you look back at all the non-Htc Subforum request threads you will see me telling people no. But They still seem to think General is ok. I don't know what Admin's stand on this is.
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that is my point,i also say no, but they keep posting...but one moment i saw general full of non-htc crap and i got really pissed off

hateful child....
just kidding.
i think it's ignorant and somewhat elitist to completely deny non-HTC devices service here. We do have a forum for the XDA atom, which was NOT made by HTC. It was, however, carried by XDA. The world isn't static, and it's ignorant to say that the internet isn't either. We've opened forums for even the least used HTC devices, so we should definitely consider giving non-htc devices their own forums, especially given the number of people who have them.

fzzyrn said:
hateful child....
just kidding.
i think it's ignorant and somewhat elitist to completely deny non-HTC devices service here. We do have a forum for the XDA atom, which was NOT made by HTC. It was, however, carried by XDA. The world isn't static, and it's ignorant to say that the internet isn't either. We've opened forums for even the least used HTC devices, so we should definitely consider giving non-htc devices their own forums, especially given the number of people who have them.
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personally,i'd give them their sections,and i wouldn't mind to have omnia,but the general thread thing bugs me...if you know what i mean

well, you know....
to quote some inexplicably famous guy "the best place to find order is in disorder"

fzzyrn said:
well, you know....
to quote some inexplicably famous guy "the best place to find order is in disorder"
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????self-quoter

caught me!
i guess this means that i'm inexplicably famous.

fzzyrn said:
caught me!
i guess this means that i'm inexplicably famous.
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...no...
i only saw your signature...doh!

haha i keep trying to get one of the mods to say it so people don't present that reaction to me.
hint hint wink wink

anyone...please....the situation is getting bad really bad

admin opinion:
I have no issues whatsoever with the thread but I agree that off-topic might be a better place. Though this forum is for HTC made devices it doesn't stop us of discussing any other trivial matter as long as it's in the right section (whether that be the best brand of coffee, the speed of our dsl line, the color of my avatar or a different device)
We will not at any moment open forums for non htc made devices on this forum, it would open the floodgates for way too many devices and make this forum too general and unmanageble.
Best regards,
Flar

Flar said:
admin opinion:
I have no issues whatsoever with the thread but I agree that off-topic might be a better place. Though this forum is for HTC made devices it doesn't stop us of discussing any other trivial matter as long as it's in the right section (whether that be the best brand of coffee, the speed of our dsl line, the color of my avatar or a different device)
We will not at any moment open forums for non htc made devices on this forum, it would open the floodgates for way too many devices and make this forum too general and unmanageble.
Best regards,
Flar
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i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
quote from my first post
and now they are clearly allowed to post about those devices in general discussion
(because you don't stop them)
so when we look it in technical way...it is spamming,as talking about cars,pc's, estates is
in general or any other thread (except for off topic thread)
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farukb said:
i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
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Unfortunately the life of a mod can be overwhelming at times, we can't be everywhere all the time. If you have a problem with a thread and want to bring it to our attention, you could send a PM.
We will evaluate the options and take the action we feel is best.

farukb said:
i totally agree with you
i am a htc user so i don't have problems with the forum
but as an admin you could do something to prevent general development or any other thread being full of "off topics"
mods don't clean it up,go now and you will see more non-htc threads than eg. application development threads
and that drives me crazy
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As jimmy says mods do have their own lives and can't be everywhere all the time, it helps if you help point out stuff like this.
Consider the fact that some of our mods spend up to 14 hours per day here, most of that time spent moderating...
Also consider this is vacation season and for a lot of the mods (and users) this time of day is the time you start thinking about going to bed, with mods being on vacation all of us have a hard time coping with all the mod work as it is, a bit of patience will get you a long way.
Best regards,
Flar

Flar said:
As jimmy says mods do have their own lives and can't be everywhere all the time, it helps if you help point out stuff like this.
Consider the fact that some of our mods spend up to 14 hours per day here, most of that time spent moderating...
Also consider this is vacation season and for a lot of the mods (and users) this time of day is the time you start thinking about going to bed, with mods being on vacation all of us have a hard time coping with all the mod work as it is, a bit of patience will get you a long way.
Best regards,
Flar
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yes i know that and i fully appreciate it,they are people too
but there is a dozen of mods,not only one
i'm not rushing anyone,just asked everyone to consider it
this thread is almost a month old (7-25-08) so it won't make a difference now or next week or whenever
thanks again for your patience and dealing with some sometimes pissed off guys

i'll help,make your job easier
i'm starting to provide links of all non-htc threads in a new "report non-htc" thread
so someone could just delete them,without searching and reading the whole forum
is it ok with you?
thanks

By delete, you mean move to Off Topic?
Also, if this is the desired plan, should the General forum have a annoucment, and maybe change the description, informing users of this?
Oh and BTW, I have PM'd Meniesys about making a Roll up Sticky for all his guides, he said he is looking into it
Ta
Dave

Froyo confirmed

Froyo confirmed for desire
http://rudefox.com/htc-desire-froyo-android-2-2-brings-improved-performance/
Sent from my Desire using XDA App

So means the official upgrade will be much faster and improve the 3d gaming too beyond the custom froyo roms we use today by utilizing better drivers for snapdragon?
Thanks

Have HTC announced the date directly though?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

rommark said:
So means the official upgrade will be much faster and improve the 3d gaming too beyond the custom froyo roms we use today by utilizing better drivers for snapdragon?
Thanks
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Hopefully we will have better snapdragon drivers. We should get better benchmarking scores also
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shiitttt cant wait!

Here we go again :s

Where does it say it's confirmed? All I see is "Froyo hasn't been released yet. ARM say it will be leet."

sintaku said:
Have HTC announced the date directly though?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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They have said it will get an upgrade to 2.2 but have not set a date. the post url is basically saying what we have known about for a few months now.
I am not too sure why people keep creating new posts about the same thing

There is literally nothing new here!
We don't need "confirmation" that Froyo is coming for the Desire, because the HTC "test" ROMs that have been kicking about for the last few days are clear evidence not only that it is coming, but also that it is almost here.
Regards,
Dave

'This upgrade will be really worth for HTC phone users who loved the phone but had been disappointed with the battery life of the phone.'
this is what ive been waiting for, though i hope it will be a pretty decent improvement not like 5 % lol

How about moderators start doing their job and delete this topic?

wow.. are you serious? there is going to be an update to Android? wtf?!!!

vlasac said:
How about moderators start doing their job and delete this topic?
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I'm no fan of the growing plethora of posts like this, but it's to be expected given the growing excitement of what we might see with the official release. That said, a post with a link to further comment on the release is really harmless.
Regardless, any post meant in earnest should be free from "deletion". I mean deleting offensive posts, things attacking individual members, posts meant to intentially mislead the community and anything with straight forward malicious intent are one thing, but deleting member posts just because they add to chatter would just undermine the whole community. Who would dare post something for fear of being deleted and labelled "that guy".
While I think the OP misinterpretted this article as a confirmation, I don't think this topic is without merit. An interesting side note, perhaps.
This is in the general section where it rightly belongs. If a lot of people get up in arms about the "hype and innuendo", maybe we should have a separate section of the forum for "rumours" or something like "just passing it on". Barring that, I for one would be saddened to see a decimation campaign to weed out all the posts that a small group finds to be without merit. Just my two cents.

Quist said:
I'm no fan of the growing plethora of posts like this, but it's to be expected given the growing excitement of what we might see with the official release. That said, a post with a link to further comment on the release is really harmless.
Regardless, any post meant in earnest should be free from "deletion". I mean deleting offensive posts, things attacking individual members, posts meant to intentially mislead the community and anything with straight forward malicious intent are one thing, but deleting member posts just because they add to chatter would just undermine the whole community. Who would dare post something for fear of being deleted and labelled "that guy".
While I think the OP misinterpretted this article as a confirmation, I don't think this topic is without merit. An interesting side note, perhaps.
This is in the general section where it rightly belongs. If a lot of people get up in arms about the "hype and innuendo", maybe we should have a separate section of the forum for "rumours" or something like "just passing it on". Barring that, I for one would be saddened to see a decimation campaign to weed out all the posts that a small group finds to be without merit. Just my two cents.
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Yes i would agree with you a bit, however it can be possible that because of the huge potential of people clicking on the page where it says that Froyo is confirmed just drives authors ad revenue.
So if it was actually posted in one of the many olds Froyo posts, i would be ok. But that particular blog had no new info. I mean even google demonstrated that Froyo runs faster during i/o. So to sum up. I think it should be in the guidelines no to post to the website that would benefit author himself. I mean its kinda spam. And it just uses extra space and bandwidth of the xda, therefore its a waste of resources.

Well i have seen this (Froyo update for Desire in August):
http://www.techtechies.com/20100707...announced-htc-desire-getting-froyo-first.html

mcgon1979 said:
wow.. Are you serious? There is going to be an update to android? Wtf?!!!
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lmao. Bbahahahahahaha

vlasac said:
How about moderators start doing their job and delete this topic?
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How about Mods do thier job and delete YOU !!!

What You Need to Know About Windows Phone 7: Our Guide

Source: pocketnow.com

So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...

Windcape said:
So you did a c&p of this article? What's the point in that?
Also whoever wrote it seems to been living in a cave for the past two months...
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The article is dated august 1st and was posted on front page so I decided to mirror it here, got a problem with that, tuff!

Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.

Windcape said:
Yes, just post a link next time? That's the normal way of the internet.
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Err I think not!, as I said if you have a problem, tuff sh*t!, go and have a cry to mommy or troll somewhere else.

You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.

Time to stop the arguing...

There's nothing untrue in the article.

Windcape said:
You fail to realize the article is horrible to read in the way it's formatted on the forum. It's much easier to read on the direct link.
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Yeah and you fail to realize that your talking arse gravy!
How on earth is this "horrible to read"? Are you on crack or something?
Again, go away and troll somewhere else little boy.
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Time to stop the arguing...
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Not arguing bud, This guy is just been a prat and trying to troll and im just defending myself. I was simply mirroring an article on the forum for archival/info purposes.
Can you kindly tell him to go stop acting like a dweeb and lay off the crack.
doministry said:
There's nothing untrue in the article.
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Indeed, its a nice rundown of info which is why I decided to mirror it here. This fartcape guy is just been a ahole, probably because his only source of social interaction is when he trolls a post and waits for a reaction, he needs to get laid and some friends.

Windscape, almost every thread in this forum has been ruined or derailed by your arguments and insults. You rarely have anything of any value to add, your arguments are often slavishly pro-Microsoft to the point that they become nonsensical and you seem to be incapable of responding to anyone with any respect.
If you can't control your temper or avoid trolling the forum then I suggest we'd all be better off (you included) if you just kept your opinions to yourself and refrained from posting. There's no point to this forum if every thread is going to be filled with nonsense posts from you.

Actually, copying and pasting an entire article is illegal as it's copyright infringement. You're permitted to quote sections as that's considered fair use. Having it reproduced here removes their ability to make money off of the ads to keep their site open.

Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.

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Angry much? If you were the originator of the content then it's fine to do copy and paste it. But it's inappropriate to do that for someone else's work.
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If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.

Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.

TheATHEiST said:
If you a re referring to me, I was angry and windcape for trolling not him moaning because I c&p a article.
I put the author of article at beginning of work so its not as if its trying to claim it or anything its simply a mirror with link to source.
And whether you think its inappropriate or not is your problem not mine. I simply dont care.
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"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?

Windcape said:
Also it should be fair to mention when I wrote my post, he had invalid BBcode, wrong links, and didn't link the source at all.
But I'll leave this one alone, even I still think the article isn't very up to date.
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Bullsh*t
There may have been a small window of when I edited a part where there was a broken bbcode but that is irrelevant to the comments you made. There wasn't any broken links and the source was linked to from the beginning, it was the first bit a pasted, so you are talking out of your rusty sheriffs badge
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"I don't care" "I don't care" "I don't care" Like a record. [in jest, not anger]
My post was my opinion of proper forum etiquete. I was posting to agree with the stance of others in this thread. Why do you think I care if you do or not?
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Again I wasn't simply copying somebody work and claiming it I was mirroring a article and stated source quiet clearly at beginning.
And the "do not care" remark had nothing to do with me caring if you cared or not, I mean I dont care about whether its "appropriate" or not.
The post has been edited now anyway because of little girls crying so pointless discussion.

Suggestion to add to the XDA site.

I think this forum is the greatest for modding our phones. Many thanks to all the developers and the XDA staff!!!
I am still a noob even after 2 years of reading and installing some of the customizations on this forum. Some of the threads I read through need a lot of clarification. Most of them just assume everyone has knowledge of what to do and write just a minimalistic install forcing anyone without such knowledge to ask questions like, How, therefore getting snide remarks added to the posts unnecessarily.
My suggestion to you, XDA, would be to add and sticky a glossary and description of the processes that are needed and have to be performed thus eliminating the recursive and negative posts others likely post about noobs. All they have to do is point such a person to the correct link, the glossary.
I have searched through this site looking for such and all I could find was a single thread asking the same.I apologize if this is in the wrong forum.

Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
Falling that, a Google search will generally give you the info you need.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....

I agree, I've been an iphone user for years and just recently changed to android so I'm a big noob, but kind of afraid to ask a question seeing if it s common knowledge you're just being held out as a moron.
Some kind of section for "how to" in general would be nice.

elprincipe said:
I agree, I've been an iphone user for years and just recently changed to android so I'm a big noob, but kind of afraid to ask a question seeing if it s common knowledge you're just being held out as a moron.
Some kind of section for "how to" in general would be nice.
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Check out XDA university, it has some basic how to guides to get folks started.
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You can ask your "newbie" questions here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1878241
Though basic rule, search first!
I've been meaning to have the thread converted to a "Ask any question thread", so if a mod (Hey CTM!) can do me a favor and give me second post of that thread, I'll be grateful
The OP is a friend, and he has agreed to let me have the second post.
If it picks up, I'll either ask for the OP, or have a new sticky (don't wanna clutter the area atm)

conantroutman said:
Try this http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=265
Falling that, a Google search will generally give you the info you need.
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That link doesn't provide anything. It's cluttered.
My suggestion is a single post so a user doesn't have to go all over the net (Google) to find something he isn't sure the editor/poster has efficient knowledge of. Such as, if I said to you I know how to tear your phone down and put it back together, would you trust me?
Just an example;
Android
is a Linux-based operating system designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers
Flashing
is also referred to as reprogramming.
This is a link of just the sort I was looking for and asking to be a stickied thred here http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/beginner/android-rom-and-rooting-dictionary-for-beginners/

Now that's a site that helps a noob like me. Easy, straight to it.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.

elprincipe said:
Now that's a site that helps a noob like me. Easy, straight to it.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.
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Exactly. Needs more to it though.

Unlockr
Hello.
Another site that can help you is "theunlockr.com".
I saw there a lot of videos "How to".
Bye.

djeordje said:
Hello.
Another site that can help you is "theunlockr.com".
I saw there a lot of videos "How to".
Bye.
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If I wanted to watch videos of how to, I go to QBKING77'S You Tube or his site.

Razorwindmo46 said:
If I wanted to watch videos of how to, I go to QBKING77'S You Tube or his site.
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Haha I've seen quite a few of QBKING77's videos already. He's useful no doubt.
Duff man never dies.. Only the actors who play him.

Can u add ability to save your favorite when u log in not saving at all on the xda premium app or site
Sent from my SPH-L900 using xda premium

tech7 said:
Can u add ability to save your favorite when u log in not saving at all on the xda premium app or site
Sent from my SPH-L900 using xda premium
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Once you reply it is in your Profile, Show Statistics. Not sure how long it stays in there.

Post anonymously?

Hi,
is it possible to post anonymously on the xda forums?
Thanks, Jamie

JamieKitson said:
Hi,
is it possible to post anonymously on the xda forums?
Thanks, Jamie
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In a word, no. You need to be registered and logged on, and your posts will all show your user info. My question would have to be, why would you want to? I can't think of a single good reason for it.

Archer said:
My question would have to be, why would you want to? I can't think of a single good reason for it.
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Two examples off the top of my head:
* You're talking about something legally dubious.
* You want to relay your experience of, for example, your mobile operator/manufacturer, without them being able to track you down.

An even better one: whistle blowing.

As per anywhere else on the internet, if in doubt then don't post. Also, if you're unsure about the legality then it especially shouldn't be posted on here.
It all sounds a bit paranoid to me, but that's just me I could post whatever I want about my provider and they'd never know it was me (if they even cared). You're as anonymous as you make yourself.
I thought you meant posting without your username showing.

Archer said:
As per anywhere else on the internet, if in doubt then don't post.
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The internet would be very quiet if we all started following that rule
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Also, if you're unsure about the legality then it especially shouldn't be posted on here.
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Why? Why especially here? I don't know where these forums are hosted, but presumably it's a different jurisdiction to where I operate, and presumably the laws differ.
Archer said:
It all sounds a bit paranoid to me, but that's just me I could post whatever I want about my provider and they'd never know it was me (if they even cared). You're as anonymous as you make yourself.
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I've sued my operator Yes, I happen to use my real name, and yes I suppose I can just create a new account.
It would be possible though that one day someone forces xda to release your email address or other information that makes you identifiable.
Archer said:
"I live by my own rules, nobody else's, not even my own."
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Ahh, I see

JamieKitson said:
Why? Why especially here? I don't know where these forums are hosted, but presumably it's a different jurisdiction to where I operate, and presumably the laws differ.
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As per the forum rules, anything illegal is just closed or deleted. Even piracy is legal in some parts of the world, but we delete piracy & warez links and discussion etc.. Obviously judgement has to come into the decision sometimes, but usually if there's doubt then it goes.