Hi. Fist i want to apologise for my engilsh. In this moment i have android phone Desire Z. I am happy with him, but i really like WP7 UI. I think that WP7 is more faster than Android, more intuitive and more user friendly. Android is too cumbersome. I want to buy some device with WP7, but i think that every device on the market is too old. I mainly point on hardware(CPU, etc..). I know that now it is enought good, but i am looking into the future. I don't want to buy one and after half year buy new one because my is too slow. They show them when Microsoft introduced WP7 and then nothing. I hear every moment about any new Android phone but WP7 totally nothing. Maybe Nokia is going to release any phone but i don't like Nokia. So i ask if is any new phone going to come or no. Maybe from HTC? Samsung? LG?
WooDoo.CZ said:
Hi. Fist i want to apologise for my engilsh. In this moment i have android phone Desire Z. I am happy with him, but i really like WP7 UI. I think that WP7 is more faster than Android, more intuitive and more user friendly. Android is too cumbersome. I want to buy some device with WP7, but i think that every device on the market is too old. I mainly point on hardware(CPU, etc..). I know that now it is enought good, but i am looking into the future. I don't want to buy one and after half year buy new one because my is too slow. They show them when Microsoft introduced WP7 and then nothing. I hear every moment about any new Android phone but WP7 totally nothing. Maybe Nokia is going to release any phone but i don't like Nokia. So i ask if is any new phone going to come or no. Maybe from HTC? Samsung? LG?
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no one knows when the new chassis will come. Maybe in the end of the year. Just wait and see...
Me, I would change phones every months if there were phones, so I don't mind being an early adopter. If you want to keep your phone for a long time, you should probably wait until the second half of the year.
That being said, I doubt current devices will be "slow", but current hardware isn't too sexy anyway.
It won't be considered old or slow for a long time. I was going to wait but got one last month. Wish I had gotten it sooner.
I am still waiting for A decent WP7 to be released as the current generation of WP7 phones on offer are nothing to wright home about, I would get a Samsung Omnia 7 (16GB) or a Focus but nether are offered in Singapore. The other thing holding me back from getting a WP7 phone is no GPS compatible software and WiFi tethering out of the box.
I was so hoping these things would be resolved by now.
Even android is lacking in the GPS maps Available for Asian buyers.
No wonder so many still go for an I phone as all these features are available from the start.
The other area I find window and android a letdown is accessories with nether offering accessories like docking stations and a good range of cases.
At least the Nokia partner ship will resolve the compatible maps for those outside the US. And as most Nokia phones have tethering I hope this will be added as well.
Please release A Nokia WP7 ASAP.
I remember seeing the video demo of mango, running fast on Omnia 7.
The hardware is importent, sure, but if where talking speedwise, i belive my Omnia 7 will live on long. WP7 is a optimized OS against hardware. Android, being a "slaped on os" will always need twice the speed on HW to match WP7.
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And correction, it still cant match in speed and fluid os.
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Since I own a Motorola Defy I feel this board is my home but if the moderators feel this post needs to be moved to another board then please do by any means.
As some of you may be aware of I've been posting my frustrations of late Froyo update from Motorola in this thread. You might not care how late and why they are late with the updates but I do because I rely on the updates to do more with my smartphone.
You may have already read that virtually there isn't any major change between Anroid 2.2 and 2.3 other than security fixes. Hello? Did you just say the majority of changes in the operating system are about security fixes? Why then the manufacturer of my handset is not ensuring my handset is safe to use then? I will try to answer this question shortly.
I don't use a smartphone for a hobby. I truly, like most of you, use my smartphone for productivity. Checking emails on the road, taking notes, instant satellite navigations, web browsing, occasional shopping, music, to read books, and document editing on the go are few to name. To do all those tasks I need to rely on a reliable network service, hardware, and the operating system that enables me to have all those software applications I need. This post is not about network services nor about hardware but I just like to say Motorola Defy has been a good phone, hardware wise, and indeed it should be able to handle Gingerbread if the 512MB RAM is not a limitation.
There are a lot of debates about mobile closed and open operating systems such as iOS and Android respectively on the internet. I'm beginning to see closed operating systems like iOS, WP, RIM, and WebOS are in fact a better choice unlike what open OS proponents have been trying to make us to believe. Ok, lets first see why Android is for free. But before that let me remind you Android is not open-sourced and in fact Google recently made it clear they are not going to let anyone see the source codes, let alone to use them (recompile). They are very public about freebies but not so public about the small prints.
Everything Google does is calculated either for a short strategy or for a long one. That is not for me to say if that is a good thing or bad. My concern is having options in the future not only for myself but also for the next generations such as your children.
Android has been given freely to handset manufacturers to build smartphones. To realise the magnitude of business opportunities Android brought to them you only need to look at the once king of mobile maker Nokia where they are today. Their out-dated Symbian OS alone did all the damage. Google is giving away Android for free to control the market in relation to their services. Dependability has always been the key factor of Google's success for as long as I remember. Google may one day even give away free handsets if that fits with their long term strategy.
At first it might appear to you Google can control the handset manufacturers since they are giving them huge business opportunities. That is far from the reality. Manufacturers also know, like most of us, why Google is giving away their OS for free and have already turned the table to their own advantage. Google recently signed an agreement with their major partners to ensure Android updates are delivered to us consumers quicker. The consumers who are vast in numbers and pay for everything are the losers in the battle of controlling the market by businesses.
In my opinion, Google has been hiding more security issues in Android than we are made to believe. They have recently covered up a serious security issue and never explained publicly how they managed to fix that other than explaining something was fixed on their server-side. I believe the problems are serious enough and if it is revealed Google’s reputation will be damaged. I have no proof as I don’t have access to Google internal documents. Admitting to Gmail security preaches that happened months ago today (3 June, 2011) is another hint that Google is not open about their security issues. Please remember, unlike your Windows machines Android does not have a built-in firewall or antivirus.
Back to the question that I asked earlier, why then the manufacturer of my handset is not ensuring my handset is safe to use then? They simply don’t want you to have the latest Android version on your handset because of their Business Model. New Android version goes on to their new handsets, at least initially. There are cases where a particular handset from a manufacturer gets all the updates. The reason behind this is that the handset in question has returned its expected profits or the handset considered as a flagship that most likely continues its pedigree. Examples of these are Samsung’s Galaxy S, Sony Ericson’s Xperia, Motorola’s Droid X. Providing updates to older flagship handsets is to keep existing customers loyal. I don’t see anything bad in this one.
I really see the advantage apple users get for not being dependent on manufacturers to get updates. The same goes to all so called closed Mobile OS. As much as it was heart breaking to hear about the Chinese boy who sold his kidney to buy iPad 2, I’m glad he didn’t buy an Android device otherwise he would have to sell something else for the software updates alone.
I already know my next phone is going to be an Android device but I will keep my eyes on the promised improvements in regards to the updates delivery and if nothing is changed then I will take my business to another company where I know I have to wait weeks not months for updates and if there is a critical security issue I don’t have to pull my battery and SIM card to protect my data.
Truth be told the recent updates did nothing that I can place my hand on , just what will Mango , obvioulsy Microsoft claims it will be able to do everything , but what is everything , I remember all the cry babies whining about copy/paste , so far Ive used it once , not a big deal there , what else , security updates and firmware? So just what is Mango gonna do ?
My phone is a Focus developer unlocked , its fun to mess with and Ive taken it apart (mechanically/ OMG the warranty is no good, woo hoo!) , all fun and games ,I enjoy playing with the registry and other things , but hell you can do that with just about every phone out there ,what will Mango bring to set us apart?
In other words , What is it that Mango is doing that will make or break the OS? That will make or break Microsoft for the Phone business ( WP7 wont knock Microsoft out though even if it fails)! Microsoft has bought enough patents to keep all the manufacturers in its pockets for years to come !
The features Mango brings integrated itself are amazing. The improved messaging, photos, music, people, just everything it does itself will definitely be worth your time. However, the biggest thing Mango does is open the doors for developers with the new apis, allowing numerous apps to be created which weren't able to be made before, from sockets to background services, to self updating live tiles... The BBC app over in the apps section is just a small taste of this.
Many of the features people expect in a smartphone (and need) weren't there on release, and those are going to be a big part of this platform getting adopted. Mango is bringing pretty much everything 'most' people need (and more), so I would say its pretty big for getting mass consumer adoption.
I'm assuming Tango will bring much needed enterprise additions which will help them move further into the enterprise as well.
Is there any kind of blog or list of features that MS publishes to show what features/items/ road plan they have for the new WP7? I'm new to the whole thing and have a lot to learn about how this new OS works and functions.
I haven't even been with Smartphones for very long either, finally just "upgrading" from my Axim x51v and separate phone just about 1 1/2 years ago. Prior to that, I'd always been really happy with my phone for talking and PDA for working for the past 12 years.
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Is there any kind of blog or list of features that MS publishes to show what features/items/ road plan they have for the new WP7? I'm new to the whole thing and have a lot to learn about how this new OS works and functions.
I haven't even been with Smartphones for very long either, finally just "upgrading" from my Axim x51v and separate phone just about 1 1/2 years ago. Prior to that, I'd always been really happy with my phone for talking and PDA for working for the past 12 years.
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I think the short of it is that Mango is crucial primarily because the update brings major software parity features to Windows Phone currently missing that are present in other major mobile platforms like a form of multitasking, fast app switching, better service integration (Twitter), support for services like Skype, and a much better, more capable browser. On the hardware side it will be the second batch of hardware. While Windows Phone runs very smooth on my Focus, it remains to be seen how well it performs with Mango and future updates.
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Is there any kind of blog or list of features that MS publishes to show what features/items/ road plan they have for the new WP7? I'm new to the whole thing and have a lot to learn about how this new OS works and functions.
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Information like that is typically kept close to the chest. We probably won't find out anything about post-Mango updates until early next year. Any earlier and it gives competition a chance to steal ideas.
Well after my first full day with Mango 7712 it's my opinion that Mango will immediately bring WP7 up to the same level as Android and iOS; and past them both in some areas. With the right marketing for the holidays, a proper explosion of devices from Nokia by Q1-Q2 2012, and by the holidays next the mobile market will be a true 3 horse race.
I got my Focus on 11/8/10 at store opening. To this day I have only seen one WP7 device in the wild, at a concert. Not a single friend, family member, or coworker has one. Most of those people have Android devices, except for two Iphone 4's. All of those people love my Focus. My dad can't wait to dump his Iphone for a WP7 device. (Don't worry dad I'm keeping my Focus pretty to trade for your upgrade in Feb ) A lot of those people have an upgrade in the following months. With out Mango I have at least 8 people excited to upgrade to WP7. Once I show them Mango it will pretty much put 6-8 more WP7 users in the mix no latter then Christmas.
I wouldn't worry about the performance of mango.. it runs better than NoDo.
My focus is faster than it has ever been.
Mango is a critical update for this OS. It brings near feature parity and gives developers the APIs they need to make excellent apps with deeper functionality than was previously allowed.
Mango will allow developers to do things with applications that can't be done on other platforms, such as linking to a particular part of an application via a pinned live tile or passing a piece of meta data into an application from the OS (such as passing a movie information card into IMDB or another app that handles movies for more in-depth information or passing a book card from a bing vision search into the Kindle app or similar application)
Microsoft will need to do a better job of marketing these upcoming devices.. almost everyone who plays with my Focus loves it.. and that was before Mango, but they are struggling at retail.
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Truth be told the recent updates did nothing that I can place my hand on , just what will Mango , obvioulsy Microsoft claims it will be able to do everything , but what is everything , I remember all the cry babies whining about copy/paste , so far Ive used it once , not a big deal there , what else , security updates and firmware? So just what is Mango gonna do ?
My phone is a Focus developer unlocked , its fun to mess with and Ive taken it apart (mechanically/ OMG the warranty is no good, woo hoo!) , all fun and games ,I enjoy playing with the registry and other things , but hell you can do that with just about every phone out there ,what will Mango bring to set us apart?
In other words , What is it that Mango is doing that will make or break the OS? That will make or break Microsoft for the Phone business ( WP7 wont knock Microsoft out though even if it fails)! Microsoft has bought enough patents to keep all the manufacturers in its pockets for years to come !
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I ebeleive Mango is better than what IOS is rolling out so far.
IOS lack integration, Mango is in some ways better than IOS especially the twitter, facebook apps,, unified messaging, UI and other things as well...
I think Mango is very important for WP7 to really establish itself as ecosystem, Mango is really filling a lot of the basic needs people previously might have dismissed OS because of, while adding tight integration to social networking sites and other much needed features.
Not to mention the miss-conception regarding Windows Mobile and Windows Phone, even phone sites to this day tends to **** up and call it Windows Mobile every other WP7 article, maybe they should have called it something else than Windows like they did with Xbox?
And to be honest, I couldn’t with a clear conscience recommend other people WP7 when I first got it, because of the lack of a localized OS/marketplace, navigation app, copy/paste and multitasking to mention a few things, it just wasn’t up to par with the currently released smartphones. However with Mango, I can clearly say that it’s up to par and even surpassing in some respects.
As for Nokia it’s very much a do or die situation regarding the smartphone world, with their stocks plummeting and the poor success with MeeGo as their smartphone OS. Hopefully they can bring some real marketing out there, especially in Europe where they’re strong and a nostalgic brand; I even know a bunch of people that are still using their Nokia “dumbphones”.
I really hope Microsoft doesn’t shoot itself in the foot this time with the new Mango phones and gets a varied and good enough hardware lineup to compete with the newest Android/iPhone phones. And really gets WP7 devices out in the stores for people to try.
As for the carrier conundrum in especially the US, not having a choice of all the phones you like. E.g. only having the choice of a HTC Trophy on Verizon might have scared away potential customers, even though it’s not a bad device. I really hope this way of carrier monopoly goes away sooner than later.
To end this rather long post, I’d like to say that I would wish for WP7 to have huge success with Mango, because I really like the OS itself and its excellent development tools, as well as their dedication to the developers. WP7 has come a long way in a year and now it’s time to go from very small to smallish/medium at least.
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Truth be told the recent updates did nothing that I can place my hand on , just what will Mango , obvioulsy Microsoft claims it will be able to do everything , but what is everything , I remember all the cry babies whining about copy/paste , so far Ive used it once , not a big deal there , what else , security updates and firmware? So just what is Mango gonna do ?
My phone is a Focus developer unlocked , its fun to mess with and Ive taken it apart (mechanically/ OMG the warranty is no good, woo hoo!) , all fun and games ,I enjoy playing with the registry and other things , but hell you can do that with just about every phone out there ,what will Mango bring to set us apart?
In other words , What is it that Mango is doing that will make or break the OS? That will make or break Microsoft for the Phone business ( WP7 wont knock Microsoft out though even if it fails)! Microsoft has bought enough patents to keep all the manufacturers in its pockets for years to come !
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Truth to be told, if you have it developer unlocked (that 100$ unlock, not follow-the-chevron-tutorial-unlocked), and you know how to tweak it. Then I assume you know at least where to read the breaking new features of Mango?
If not then your skill is kind of.. lacking
Think the sooner Mango is released the more "press" WP7 will get. One thing I have recently noticed is the lack of adverts for WP7 compared to when it first came out.
Perhaps they are waiting for Mango?
I dont know why ppl even try to answer questions like the ones in opening post....
when its clear that they are not real questions ...
Just a catchy title like "How importand is Mango ?" and nothing more ....
Dont do it guys ...Dont answer and leave those so called questions to the man who has them...
So from what I gathered, Mango is just getting WP7 up to par with iOS and Android, and the only thing they're really 'adding' is the integrated apps (and to some extent just making the messaging/twitter/live tile updates)?
what is it going to do to make itself stand out? that's what i want to konw
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So from what I gathered, Mango is just getting WP7 up to par with iOS and Android, and the only thing they're really 'adding' is the integrated apps (and to some extent just making the messaging/twitter/live tile updates)?
what is it going to do to make itself stand out? that's what i want to konw
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It will not be on par with Android.
Anyway they add alot of API's for developers.
And add Skydrive functionality and many enhancements.
What is it going to do to make itself stand out?
I don't really know, besides the design...
doministry said:
It will not be on par with Android.
Anyway they add alot of API's for developers.
And add Skydrive functionality and many enhancements.
What is it going to do to make itself stand out?
I don't really know, besides the design...
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well, for the average consumer, maybe the word 'WINDOWS' is scaring them away
i've met people, and have friends, who still thinks wp7 is wm
when they ask to play with my phone, they fiddle with it, ask me what os is it, and return me the phone when i mention WINDOWS
seriously, ms can do everything right wrt the os, but when it comes to marketing it to people, i think the damage done to their reputation during the iphone vs wm days is something that they will have to think of how to rectify
it may just be too much
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well, for the average consumer, maybe the word 'WINDOWS' is scaring them away
i've met people, and have friends, who still thinks wp7 is wm
when they ask to play with my phone, they fiddle with it, ask me what os is it, and return me the phone when i mention WINDOWS
seriously, ms can do everything right wrt the os, but when it comes to marketing it to people, i think the damage done to their reputation during the iphone vs wm days is something that they will have to think of how to rectify
it may just be too much
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Absolutely. I think most of people "run away screaming" hearing Windows.
The damage is done big time. But I still think lack of features in most countries doesn't help it either, like no Marketplace or native letters etc.
So in those unsupported countries WP established itself as... Not that good.
The campaign changing the direction will be very very long. I think it will take years to change things. It's not "hot" in any way...
It's a pity, as an "average" OS for "normal" consumer it may be very cool.
Think about this for a second. Have Android and iOS improved by leaps and bounds from their initial releases? Not much, when a new phone comes out there is less and less emphasis on the software and more on the hardware. "It's thinner, it's lighter, it's has dual core" etc.
Mango is WP7 playing catchup in the software department (and some minor improvements). It elevates WP7 from an inferior offering to a similar one of the top two contenders. So in that sense, yes it is important.
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Think about this for a second. Have Android and iOS improved by leaps and bounds from their initial releases?
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It's the silliest thing I wrote. Mate what are you talking about.
So I am seeing a lot of chatter about how the "official HTC" mango update is pretty much bringing HTC phones inline with the new phones in that they make them for the most part not chevron unlockable. This got me to thinking.
In the not so distant future most of us that are running Windows Phone as our primary phone OS are going to be upgrading. My phone in particular (The HTC Surround) has been discontinued so that makes upgrading a no brainer. I was intending to upgrade anyway to one of the Nokia phones as I have always used Nokia phones (except this one HTC and a samsung that was given to me by ATT which quickly got corrected into a Nokia). Anyways I know a lot of people are eying the new HTC's coming, The Nokias, and even a few of you are enjoying the Samsung devices.
The main problem I have with this though is that I have grown very accustomed to my custom tile colors. Everything else that being unlocked offers really boils down to customization. The problem is that as far as things go right now 7.5 is not unlockable in anyway if there is no pre-nodo flash of a particular device.
So to the point of my post, given people's previous experiences with Windows Mobile, early days of droid, even iphone jailbreak.
What is the likely hood that Windows phone 7.5 and higher will allow for deeper customization? What I worry about is much like the xbox vs the xbox 360. The Xbox has a high level of customization and can be used way beyond what was originally intended. But if you look at the the 360 they didn't get near that far and basically learned how to pirate games and development really stopped unless you had a MUCH older form of the system (i.e. what's happening now with Windows Phone 7)
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What are your thoughts on the future of customization on windows phone 7.5 and higher and would Microsoft ever allow something like Accent Color or a similar app to actually come to light.
With more users jumping onto 7.5 with Nokia chances increase that someone will make a new jailbreak that does not rely on downgrading.
I am not a big fan of the route that the Chevron team went, and I am not talking about the monetary charge.
The customization that you touch upon should hopefully still be available with a new jailbreak, but I do not see MS change their default art. As seen by their new concepts that leaked (and quickly taken down) and that were presented in the "future" TellMe demo.
I have trust in xda and all other interest groups as support for the OS grows.
I think we will get a real jailbreak one day, it's just a matter of when. Honestly, it seems like Microsoft is much better at preventing stuff like this than Apple is. Time will tell I guess.
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Honestly, it seems like Microsoft is much better at preventing stuff like this than Apple is. Time will tell I guess.
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This is what worries me. Especially with the new phones coming.