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Hi
this is basically going to be a rant and rave but hopefully a constuctive one
For years i have had smartphones, mainly WM but have strayed to Symbian once and now Android with the Desire
I remember upgrading from the TYTN to the TYTNII and HTC not supplying the drivers we had no proper divx playback and this continued onto the Touch HD which is pretty much why i dediced to go to Android.
Now i have the Desire which i must admit is a very good phone but the storage spce is laughable even with Froyo update which helps a bit it's pathetic
Now i cant wholly blame HTC for this as it's the Android OS that is causing the issue but having more Internal Memory would help.
Strange that the reason for Android not having all data on the sd was to help with piracy and i must admit i have been very conciencous through the years and always bought what i used but now googles policy is forcing me the other way, why pay for apps that i have to uninstall so i can install something else.
Windows Mobile has allowed SD card installs since my first 2003 device, Android has taken a massive step back in my opinion. So much for the 1000's of apps on the android market, it does not say you can only browse them but dont install many as your phone will grind to a halt.
so not so long ago i thought i would get rid of the desire and try another android device only with more internal mem.
i looked at the X10 , looks a good phone but it's still on 1.6 and the promised updates are still just promises.
the Galaxy s looks excellent and has loads of space but it looking around it seems to have quite a few issues with lagging and the GPS issues.
So i thought about looking at the Desire HD but i have problems with the Battery life on the Desire and as the HD battery is smaller there is no way i could live with it.
It seems as if the Maunfacturers are just happy to churn these things out without too much thought , maybe it's cause they always want us to upgrade but just think if one actually made a phone that does what is is supposed to do and do them well they may end up with making a killing.
Rant mode over apart from now that i dont use sense i still cant find a 4x4 rss widget
machmandp said:
Hi
this is basically going to be a rant and rave but hopefully a constuctive one
For years i have had smartphones, mainly WM but have strayed to Symbian once and now Android with the Desire
I remember upgrading from the TYTN to the TYTNII and HTC not supplying the drivers we had no proper divx playback and this continued onto the Touch HD which is pretty much why i dediced to go to Android.
Now i have the Desire which i must admit is a very good phone but the storage spce is laughable even with Froyo update which helps a bit it's pathetic
Now i cant wholly blame HTC for this as it's the Android OS that is causing the issue but having more Internal Memory would help.
Strange that the reason for Android not having all data on the sd was to help with piracy and i must admit i have been very conciencous through the years and always bought what i used but now googles policy is forcing me the other way, why pay for apps that i have to uninstall so i can install something else.
Windows Mobile has allowed SD card installs since my first 2003 device, Android has taken a massive step back in my opinion. So much for the 1000's of apps on the android market, it does not say you can only browse them but dont install many as your phone will grind to a halt.
so not so long ago i thought i would get rid of the desire and try another android device only with more internal mem.
i looked at the X10 , looks a good phone but it's still on 1.6 and the promised updates are still just promises.
the Galaxy s looks excellent and has loads of space but it looking around it seems to have quite a few issues with lagging and the GPS issues.
So i thought about looking at the Desire HD but i have problems with the Battery life on the Desire and as the HD battery is smaller there is no way i could live with it.
It seems as if the Maunfacturers are just happy to churn these things out without too much thought , maybe it's cause they always want us to upgrade but just think if one actually made a phone that does what is is supposed to do and do them well they may end up with making a killing.
Rant mode over apart from now that i dont use sense i still cant find a 4x4 rss widget
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FYI, the battery is smaller on the desire HD because the 2nd generation snapdragon it has, has much improved battery performance so its not needed
sigh...here we go again...root your device, root your device
you are willing to go as far as buying a new handset?? but your not willing to root?
root your device, install A2SD+ and SD speed fix and you will never look back, it runs flawless
if you cant be bothered learning how, ask someone to do it for you
Tech magazines are choosing the HTC desire as phone as the year as one of the most balanced android phones available
issues like app storage, music/video stutter (due to slow SD read) and even gaming performance can be fixed or improved by rooting your device
hamdir said:
sigh...here we go again...root your device, root your device
you are willing to go as far as buying a new handset?? but your not willing to root?
root your device, install A2SD+ and SD speed fix and you will never look back, it runs flawless
if you cant be bothered learning how, ask someone to do it for you
Tech magazines are choosing the HTC desire as phone as the year as one of the most balanced android phones available
issues like app storage, music/video stutter (due to slow SD read) and even gaming performance can be fixed or improved by rooting your device
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The point is you shouldn't HAVE to root your Desire. Look at the Desire HD - 1.5GB of internal space. HTC realised they made a mistake and have now corrected this.
Just cause A2SD is available if you root some people don't WANT to root as it's shouldn't have been needed. For some warranty is actually important
hi again
I dont want to start arguments but as EddyOS wrote why should we have to root ?
to get the desire running well you have to invalidate the warranty does not sound too good.
anyhow i am rooted and use the Move2SDEnabler to move as many apps as possible but kept the stock rom as no orange rom is available as yet in case of warranty issues.
but some cannot be moved and i have 22mb free
a brief list of some of the app sizes i have
Google Maps 8.81mb
Swype 6.03mb
paypal 4.79mb
Ndrive 4.39mb
Gmail 4.1mb
Folder Org 3.88mb
launcher Pro 3.73mb
titanium Backup 2.88mb
Moblox 2.88
beautiful widgets 2.11mb
angry birds 1.92mb
just with these thats 45mb i obviously have more apps installed but as each one takes up anywhere from a few k to 2 mb then how are we expected to be able to install a good amount apps
can i do without any of the above maybe but the point is why should i have to - i purchased them and dont forget the main advertising points about Android are the Market and Customising the Launcher with Widgets.
And as regards to the desire having been chosen as the best phone i wonder how many of the reviewers actually use the phone daily or is it based on a few days usage.
I was under the impression that how i use Froyo Apps2SD was pretty much the same as Apps2SD+ but if you now different then please point me in the right direction
Thanks
A2SD in FroYo only moves the app itself and not the data accociated with it. This only works on apps that have been enabled by the developer to be moved. A2SD+ differs by actually using the EXT3 partition on the SD card as internal memory so all the app data is stored on the SD card (bar some data which has to remain on the device).
HTC have since addressed things with their new handsets by giving them a LOT more internal memory so this should be a thing of the past BUT it doesn't help Desire owners who, like you, can't root as there isn't a stock RUU to revert to for warranty issues (which is a whole different matter and why I only get generic handsets). The only way to incrase memory is to root
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i am rooted and use the Move2SDEnabler to move as many apps as possible but kept the stock rom as no orange rom is available as yet in case of warranty issues.
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You already have a 'void' warranty because you have root, you may aswell go the whole 9 yards and flash a custom rom. just make a nandroid backup of your current rom so you can go back to it if the worst happens.
Having a void warranty never stopped orange from swapping my phone.
I do agree that you shouldn't have to root your phone to make it work, but that's just the way it is
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A2SD in FroYo only moves the app itself and not the data accociated with it. This only works on apps that have been enabled by the developer to be moved. A2SD+ differs by actually using the EXT3 partition on the SD card as internal memory so all the app data is stored on the SD card (bar some data which has to remain on the device).
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Not entirely correct!
If you ModInstallLocation (which does not require root) you can force most apps to move to SD with FROYO A2SD - as far as I'm aware the exceptions to this have explicity disallowed this.
The main difference between FROYO A2SD and A2SD+ is that A2SD+ relocates the Dalvik cache to SD. Both methods leave /data/data on the device which in the case of some apps (e.g. Google Earth) can be quite substantial.
Personally I use FROYO A2SD, but I've repartitioned to reclaim space from /system and I use Fusecompress to compression the Dalvik cache.
To the OP, you can argue that this is an Android OS issue, but in my opinion this was always an issue with poorly specified hardware rather than the Oscar itself.
My Galaxy Tab has 2GB set aside for applications and the Desire Z/HD have 1.5GB, which rather renders any form of A2SD obsolete.
Regards,
Dave
Well,if you manage to break your phone somehow make sure you break it badly enough for rendering them unable to detect if you have it rooted!
mercianary said:
You already have a 'void' warranty because you have root, you may aswell go the whole 9 yards and flash a custom rom. just make a nandroid backup of your current rom so you can go back to it if the worst happens.
Having a void warranty never stopped orange from swapping my phone.
I do agree that you shouldn't have to root your phone to make it work, but that's just the way it is
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But you can remove the root right?
Because my Desire started up with the "rebootloop by itself" issue a month ago while I had LeeDroid 2.2x running, and so I removed root by installing a RUU and then sent it away for service like yesterday.
And then they can't void the warranty then right? RIGHT??? :S
Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that
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Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that
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Oh, didn't think about that at all.
Hmm, well then he does have some valid complaints. My biggest problem with the unrooted Desire is the internal memory, and I certainly didn't have any idea how small it was prior to purchase and just took for granted that you could store apps on the SD.
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Yes but the point is that Orange (the OPs operator) don't have an RUU so you can't do that
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Yep that's a big problem for me
As i said i have root but i thought (right or wrong) that if i ever have a problem there is more chance of the service centre not spotting anything if i still have the stock orange rom.
Also when i looked into flashing roms i'm sure that there was an issue with the Orange radio that caused massive problems and that really put me off from doing that.
I must admit i now have 19mb free and have had to delete some apps today after installing the flash update (Another 10mb) and it seems that updates are slowly eating all of the memory and surely HTC must have known this was going to be a problem.
Still i'll now try to look into maybe flashing a rom with APPS2SD+ and see if it's ok to do. i'll also hope for an Orange RUU to be leaked soon
Thanks all
This is what I'd do...
Remove all apps from the phone (uninstall them). And then reboot into recovery. Do a backup so you can revert back to it should you need to send it in (they may not realise you're rooted) but then you can go to a custom ROM using A2SD+ and see how you get on
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This is what I'd do...
Remove all apps from the phone (uninstall them). And then reboot into recovery. Do a backup so you can revert back to it should you need to send it in (they may not realise you're rooted) but then you can go to a custom ROM using A2SD+ and see how you get on
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thanks
sounds like my only choice to avoid the low space
just need to double check the Orange radio thing first
Thanks all
The newer radios should work OK, if not you can use the radio you're on at present assuming you're on Android 2.2 at the moment (albeit the Orange version) - flashing a custom won't touch the radio unless it's included in the ROM file
The radio hasn't been a problem for a while. The newer radios wont lock your device.
My first orange desire was locked by a radio update. I had to fix it with an unlock code.
My second orange desire (warranty replacement) was not locked when I flashed the most recent radio.
Excellent thanks
One more quick question if I may
In your experience would I be better getting a fast mem card as I only have class 2 at the moment
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I use a class 2 16GB card and have no issues
hi
well i finally got round to flashing a new rom
went for the leedroid in the end with A2SD+
I had a few issues but read up and worked around them although i read about a gold card but never created one so i hope i'm not setting myself up for a fall without it.
anyhow i'm glad i did it with loads of apps installed i still have 85mb free and nowhere near filled up my 1gb ext3 partition
thanks for the advice all
Hi All,
Bought myself a new Kingston class 4 32gb microsdhc the other day. Love my music and vids, and also find that travelling a bit, downloading the maps through the HTC locations app is useful, so i'm loving the HD roms.
However, tried to load up Cool V4, and Insertcoin last night and really really struggled. Bootloops galore. Eventually got Cool V4 to work after flashing the extra bit to remove apps2sd.
Both roms load up fine with apps2sd if I switch back to the supplied 4gb card.
Also tried Cool V4 with apps2ext, but had similar issues.
So it works, but of course it means i'm hampered by reduced space for apps.
Has anyone else had similar issues and found a way around them?
Sounds like you've not partitioned the card correctly. How did you do it?
I've tried both with amonra 2.0 and with parted. Same result. also tried both 1gb and 2gb ext4. same result. oh, and with and without swap partition. guess what?
I'm sure the card is a genuine one. It formats on windows and the phone and checks with h2testw just fine.
I was thinking of completely starting from scratch again... new s-off, new nand etc, but not sure if it would change anything as it does seem card related.
Other thing could be with it not supporting cards that fast, have heard others saying you NEED class 2 32GB cards but that was on other Android phones
What happens if you try a non-HD ROM?
no problem with a non-HD rom as they don't "require" you to have an extx partition. But then they don't have the locations app which is one of my main reasons for using an HD rom. I don't have/want a data contract, which means all my maps should be preloaded and rerady to go. Equally I don't want to have to pay for things like co-pilot, or route66 when It's there and ready in the HD rom.
I am assuming they use the ext partition as an extension of the onboard memory as they are obviously designed to a phone with a much larger memory.
The strange thing is that I can move some apps to the SD card through the applications settings. But with only 28Mb free, and half the things I need to install not there, and knowing the way my luck is, they will be the type that can't be moved, I'm gonna run out completely pretty soon.
As for the speed, I would assume that as it's being used as a memory extension it would require a fast speed rather than a slow one. But then I guess the desire wasn't designed when fast big cards were in the market, and of course weren't intended to run roms from a different phone.
If you want A2SD+ they do, try a non-HD ROM which uses it
Hmm yeah, good point. Will try that this evening thanks. I suspect it is A2SD+ that is causing the issues rather than the HD part, but that will narrow it down.
Did I read somewhere than A2SD+ requires a class 6 minimum? I thought though that there was no limitation on A2EXT, which also failed.
Will report back later. (would have just been nice to not be the guinea pig on this one )
I have a Class 2 16GB card and A2SD+ is fine - DATA2SD needs at least 6 to work properly, mind
So I've tried to logically go through some stages each time to check if I can get any of the roms that need storage space on the sd card to work.
I've tried 3 roms. One with A2SD+, one with DATA2SD and one with DATA2EXT. only one i didn't try was D2Whatever.
Each time I tried twice. Once using a 1gb partition created by amonra, and once by creating a partition with parted. No swap areas at all. Each time I also used the aligned-ext4 script that's knocking about. With the D2EXT rom, I only used the recommended settings for 2 EXT4 partitions of 268 and 768 (exactly the numbers i don't recall, but it was what was written in the thread as "working").
And yet, I get absolutely no joy each time.
The only way i can seem to get a rom to work that requires extra space is to use the script written for D2SD that removes the A2SD part of the rom, which allows me to load up fine. Obviously though i'm then very low on storage space for apps. This all points at some error that is affected by the SD card to me. However, when this does load up, I can use the standard froyo A2SD to allow moving of some apps to the SD. Again though, it's not very effective and can only be used in certain apps... ones which i seem not to be using so much!
I'm basically at the limit of my knowledge (limited admittedly, but i've flashed roms enough times on the desire and on other phones to kinda know what's up). This thing has me beaten. There's no obvious reason why they don't work. People have used faster cards, people have used slower cards, People have used the sandisk 32gb which is supposedly the same size AND slower.
Can anyone help? Has anyone successfully loaded a rom which uses A2SD, D2SD or D2EXT onto a desire with a kingston 32gb class 4 card? Can they share how they created partitions, and any extra steps the made to get it to work?
I can't take my phone out of action tonight as i'm expecting an important call in the morning, but I will absolutely wipe my desire from nand up tomorrow, and also double check the h2testw scores on my card. If that doesn't work, then i can't see how anything will.
Hey i just thought i'd add my experiences to this thread as it is similar!
I went for iNsertCoin Desire HD Rom Data2ext version. Formattted the memory with gparted as 6113mb FAT32, 1024mb EXT4, 256mb EXT4 and 255mb unpartioned.
Installed rom etc fine, installed a few apps but phone started lagging so i looked in titanium to see the following screenshot. This can't be right so i reformatted and did it all again. But after reinstalling, my apps installed again that i thought i deleted when i formatted memory card and phone (did full wipe, cache, delvik etc etc).
Any ideas?
Besides the obvious free up of local space on the EVO, what are other advantages of setting up apps2sd? I am running MIUI and would like to give it a shot if worth it. Thanks in advance.
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I ran it for a while, had my card partitioned and everything, the zipalign bonus is fantastic but that's about it, I formatted my card recently and haven't looked back to set it back up
if you has class 10 then go for it, my class 6i didn't notice much improvement, class 2 dont bother
NewZJ said:
I ran it for a while, had my card partitioned and everything, the zipalign bonus is fantastic but that's about it, I formatted my card recently and haven't looked back to set it back up
if you has class 10 then go for it, my class 6i didn't notice much improvement, class 2 dont bother
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I've got an 8GB Class 6 card. I think I will not mess with it for now, seeing that performance wise there isn't much to be gained. Thanks for your response, buddy.
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Which applications to sdcard?
I tried both. I'm now with a2sd from darktremore.
It has many nice features, like zip align and cache relocate.
I had my apps2sd (file based) continuously loose the symlink pointers. May be fixed now ?
I tried it a2sd on my hero and haven't looked back. I do run a class 10 sdcard. For power consumption . Class 4 would probably have been adequate. Good luck in which ever you choose.
willy900wonka said:
Which applications to sdcard?
I tried both. I'm now with a2sd from darktremore.
It has many nice features, like zip align and cache relocate.
I had my apps2sd (file based) continuously loose the symlink pointers. May be fixed now ?
I tried it a2sd on my hero and haven't looked back. I do run a class 10 sdcard. For power consumption . Class 4 would probably have been adequate. Good luck in which ever you choose.
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Yea, I prefer a2sd from darktremor as well for its nice features. I'm just wondering what are the advantages performance wise by having all apps and dalvik cache on the sdcard other than the obvious gain of space on the phone.
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I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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If I'm not mistaken, dt app2sdext works by fooling android that the ext partition is in fact the phone storage itself, hence why some apps show the option move to sd, android believes the apps are on main memory...
hope this helps!
Wayno-san said:
I think that it's just for space. Some say it's better to leave the dalvick on the phone but I really need the space so I move it anyway and it seems to work OK even on class 4.
What I'm not sure about is how Titanium backup treats the apps that have been moved... do they back up correctly or not? Right now I'm having problems with apps that I restored using Titanium backup (they won't update); but that's after moving to a different ROM than the one I used previously.
I'm also not sure why some programs still appear with the option to "Move to SD card" under manage applications. Shouldn't have they already been moved automatically by app2sdext?
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DTa2sd uses symlinks, so there is no ill effect on TB whatsoever. I have been running DTa2sd for a few months and I have nothing but good to say about it. I had one issue and it turned out to be user error (me being that user LOL.)
And for Honda, I can't quantify any impact on performance, but I unquestionably noticed a snappier performance and stability improvement after moving my dalvik to my cache partition, not to mention having almost 300 apps and still a ton of free space. As for being worth the trouble, I guess I would ask what trouble? The process was simple as can be, so yes, definitely it is worth the effort.
Also I disagree with the second post, I have a15GB class 2 and I'm still seeing benefits. Of course when I use the SD test app, it almost always shows up as a class 4 or 6. That could be a product of a2sd or MIUI as the same test shows class 2 on Evio2. YMMV
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And for Honda, I can't quantify any impact on performance, but I unquestionably noticed a snappier performance and stability improvement after moving my dalvik to my cache partition, not to mention having almost 300 apps and still a ton of free space. As for being worth the trouble, I guess I would ask what trouble? The process was simple as can be, so yes, definitely it is worth the effort.
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So you have a cache partition plus an ext partition on your Sd Card? If so, how big does the cache partition have to be for dalvik to fit?
I saw a number of comments NOT to create a cache partition on the SD card for done reason so I did not.
I re-flashed MikFroyo 4.5 AFTER setting up the EXT partition and it looks like everything got setup automatically this time around. It's been running great! The nice thing is that it doesn't screw up widgets like Froyo app2sd.
on miui all you have to do is format the sd card properly. The rom has the rest built in.
Will Apps2SD allow one to wipe and install a new ROM and not have to use Ti backup to reinstall all of the apps?
More than likely not, since many ROMS do not support dta2sd. I would just stick with TB since you can specifically restore the apps you need/want
It was my understanding that if under settings/applications, you don't 'move to sd' any apps, then by default dt a2sd will automatically install/move all apps to the ext3 partition (sd).
Conversely, if you restore an app using TI that was not originally moved to sd (using standard froyo apps2sd function), and if dt a2sd is still installed and configured for all apps to go to sd, then that app will be restored back to the dt a2sd on the ext3 partition.
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So you have a cache partition plus an ext partition on your Sd Card? If so, how big does the cache partition have to be for dalvik to fit?
I saw a number of comments NOT to create a cache partition on the SD card
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No, have small swap and 960mb ext3. Once a2sd is on, use one of the dalvik move commands.
I know people are always recommending this or that on here (don't use havs, don't use sbc, clockwork is not thorough, don't move dalvik, blah, blah, blah). My stance is: nandroid and give it a go, but that's just me.
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Whether it's worth it or not is up to the individual. Everybody's gonna be a little different in how they use their phone. The sacrifice you're making is that reading from SD is slower than reading from internal memory. How much slower in real world situations? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I haven't actually tried it. I've found if I'm even getting close to running out of internal memory for apps, it means I've become an "app pack rat". So I simply clean house of all the stuff I downloaded cuz it seemed cool, but never actually used. Then again, I also don't have a ton of games, which are some of the largest apps. With a class 6 or 10 card, I'd imagine the difference would be minimal though, so if you need the room, and are willing to give up a little bit of speed, try it. You can always go back.
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Whether it's worth it or not is up to the individual. Everybody's gonna be a little different in how they use their phone. The sacrifice you're making is that reading from SD is slower than reading from internal memory. How much slower in real world situations? I honestly couldn't tell you, as I haven't actually tried it. I've found if I'm even getting close to running out of internal memory for apps, it means I've become an "app pack rat". So I simply clean house of all the stuff I downloaded cuz it seemed cool, but never actually used. Then again, I also don't have a ton of games, which are some of the largest apps. With a class 6 or 10 card, I'd imagine the difference would be minimal though, so if you need the room, and are willing to give up a little bit of speed, try it. You can always go back.
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Excellent commentary, a lot of common sense
First time rooter, planning to get this done in the next few days. The biggest complaint I'd have about the slide is the lack of internal memory and how it's impossible to utilize new apps with the phone.
How much internal memory can I expect will be saved by going vanilla Android?
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First time rooter, planning to get this done in the next few days. The biggest complaint I'd have about the slide is the lack of internal memory and how it's impossible to utilize new apps with the phone.
How much internal memory can I expect will be saved by going vanilla Android?
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If you root and you use a slimmed down rom like the xm rom, you'll save some space but you won't get as much till you use a script that puts the dalvik cache into your sd card. If you use a cm7 mod, like xm, you can use the app s2e that does it rather easily. https://market.android.com/details?id=ru.krikun.s2e
I also found that even using s2e, moving apps 2 sd (which cyanogen will let you move even more than stock) gives you even more space.
Sorry, I don't know a direct answer to your question, so hope this helps. Before my flex ribbon went bad on my slide, I was running XMv1.1 with darktremor apps2sd ( apps & dalvik moved to SD ), along with custom partition tables, and I had about 250MB-300MB of total internal memory available.
Then again, moving dalvik to SD frees up enough space for I think anyone besides me, lol. I had about 300 applications installed according to Titanium ( I'm guessing that's including system apps ), and I had about 150MB free of internal memory still with my setup.
there's always a2ext/data2ext if you're feeling frisky...
So far I have always been running rooted stock ROMS. From what I read they tent to be very stable, the battery last longer, and do not lose some features (4G, HDMI) etc.
However lately, probably because of the apps I have installed, the phone is pretty slow, the memory on the phone is running out and does not work properly.
It is time for a complete wipe. However I am not the kind the person that change rom once a week. I would like something for the long term.
I have a few questions (feel free to answer to a subset of them):
1) I can I maximize the free space on the phone? On stock you can update a stock app (ex flash, acrobat reader, etc) but you cannot uninstalled. I was wondering if after the update, I have now the app taking twice as much space that is supposed to.
2) What is the best way to backup all the apps on the phone and restore them quickly, being able to chose what and what not? I am using Titanium Backup but it is not clear what is an installed app and what is system app. How do I guarantee that I do not lose the app data? I am trying to find a way that once I update the ROM I can configure/restore the apps that I want without having to spend hours on it. What I am afraid is to install/restore something that it is not going to work but it takes spaces on the phone. One of the thing I really want to keep is the email configuration (3 gmails account, 1 hotmail and the link with Facebook accounts).
3) I am using App 2 SD Free but there are some large apps that cannot be moved on the SD (gmail, facebook, qik, flash, maps, twitter, Google Music, G+, etc). Does any work around exist to save precious space on the phone?
4) Regarding stability, not bloated, and full features available on OTA (4G, Bluetooth, HDMI, etc) What is the best ROM? I was looking into Fresh Evo (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20101297), Swagged Out (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258932), Sprint Updated 2.0 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321340), Clean Rom 1.0 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351890). I am leaning toward Fresh Evo because the author have been updating for a long time). Any suggestions?
Best,
Camicia
Camicia said:
So far I have always been running rooted stock ROMS. From what I read they tent to be very stable, the battery last longer, and do not lose some features (4G, HDMI) etc.
However lately, probably because of the apps I have installed, the phone is pretty slow, the memory on the phone is running out and does not work properly.
It is time for a complete wipe. However I am not the kind the person that change rom once a week. I would like something for the long term.
I have a few questions (feel free to answer to a subset of them):
1) I can I maximize the free space on the phone? On stock you can update a stock app (ex flash, acrobat reader, etc) but you cannot uninstalled. I was wondering if after the update, I have now the app taking twice as much space that is supposed to.
Use A2SD, in terminal type:
SU
a2sd cachesd
Moves your Dalvik Cache to the SD Card. Free'd up about 200+MB on mine
2) What is the best way to backup all the apps on the phone and restore them quickly, being able to chose what and what not? I am using Titanium Backup but it is not clear what is an installed app and what is system app. How do I guarantee that I do not lose the app data? I am trying to find a way that once I update the ROM I can configure/restore the apps that I want without having to spend hours on it. What I am afraid is to install/restore something that it is not going to work but it takes spaces on the phone. One of the thing I really want to keep is the email configuration (3 gmails account, 1 hotmail and the link with Facebook accounts).
It's actually very easy to tell which are user apps with TB. They're the ones in white text
3) I am using App 2 SD Free but there are some large apps that cannot be moved on the SD (gmail, facebook, qik, flash, maps, twitter, Google Music, G+, etc). Does any work around exist to save precious space on the phone?
4) Regarding stability, not bloated, and full features available on OTA (4G, Bluetooth, HDMI, etc) What is the best ROM? I was looking into Fresh Evo (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20101297), Swagged Out (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1258932), Sprint Updated 2.0 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321340), Clean Rom 1.0 (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1351890). I am leaning toward Fresh Evo because the author have been updating for a long time). Any suggestions?
MIUI, as long as you don't need 4G, everything else works and it's extremely stable. Other than a few times trying other ROMs, I've been using it as a Daily since June
Best,
Camicia
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Thank you for your answers. I have some follow up questions:
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Use A2SD, in terminal type:
SU
a2sd cachesd
Moves your Dalvik Cache to the SD Card. Free'd up about 200+MB on mine
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What is the quickest way to use terminal? Do I need the dev tools on my computer and put the phone in debug mode?
Where is the Dalvik Cache normally stored? I thought it was on RAM. Since it is a cache, I would expect that it changes often. Is it not going to wear out the sd card quickly?
2) The point is that I want to save also some system settings (ex: remembered password of wifis, browser history, sync settings, etc). Last backup save 203 items. It is going to be a pain to go thought one by one.
4) I looked at MIUI but I ruled it out because it does not support 4G. I use it every now and then.
Like you I was having some problems with my rooted stock (low phone memory, slow and some other performance issues).
I downloaded ROM Manager and then made a backup of my rooted stock. You can also do it manually by booting into recovery but ROM Manager is easier though some people will say is more prone to errors. Also download Titanium Backup or something similar and save all of the apps (both download and system apps).
Once I backed up my rooted stock ROM I then downloaded and installed the latest Cyanogenmod. As this does not have HTC Sense or bloatware I immediately got a significant amount of free space that handles all that I load.
One thing with Cyanogenmod 7.1, some people like myself will have freezing issues if you have less than 130 MB of free space on the phone. This is not a problem for me as I have more than that available. I chose Cyanogoenmod ROM over MIUI ROM as Cyanogenmod allows for 4G. Take a look though at all of the ROMs out there and decide for yourself.
I find that everything is running faster now and I no longer have the Bloat that Sprint put on the phone. You can also move more apps over to the SD Card freeing up more internal memory.
Apps like Flash and Adobe Reader can be downloaded from the Market and are updated just like any other app.
Good luck
Uhh, no to ROM Manager. It's known to cause problems.
The Terminal is an app. You use it on your phone.
AS for system settings, only a very few can be successfully moved from ROM to ROM. The only thing I backup is my Alarms. You don't have to do them one at a time, you know. Hit Menu, Batch and then you can do them en masse
Depending on how many apps you load on your phone you may want to re-partition your SD card if you have the space and create a 1-2 gig ext2 or ext3 partition to use for apps2sd. The main reason I rooted my EVO was because I constantly kept running out of space on my phone. I'm an app addict though and have been known to have up to 200+ apps on my phone before I re-flash it with another rom. With a 1.5 gig partition and apps2d, I have never run out of space for apps on my phone though If you do decide to re-partition your SD card you will need to completely backup your SD card to your PC first as it will wipe all data on the card. I have a 16 gig class 10card in my EVO and the speed is pretty good.
i would give energy sensation a go, i was using that rom as my daily it is really staple, great battery life and improves the video recording to 1080p HD as well as plenty of other little tweaks here and there....I am running ics-decks-pre-alpha7 which i am really liking only thing is you would have to be willing to give up your camera til a stable alpha or beta is released. I hope this helps...
I have been running the Sprint Updated 2.0 Final for a few weeks (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20631581 ). I also re-partition my SD card with 1.5Gb (if I remember well). So far everything is good except:
1) I have 99Mb free on the phone. I think the main reason is that I disinstall some of the Sprint Bloatware and haven't reinstall all the apps. However I started having problems when I had 60Mb available before the upgrade to this new ROM. So I am afraid that I am getting close :-/
2) Wifi Tether has problems. I am experience the problem here: http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/issues/detail?id=1288 .
The workaround with Barnacle alleviate the problem but beside being annoying that I have to start Bernacle first and then the Wi-Fi tether, it sometimes stop working (I think it is when I I use the 4G and the 4g connection is lost) and I have to go though the cycle again :-/
Best,
Camicia
Best ROM is probably team nocturnal's shooter, but everyone likes different stuff.
I sure my backup root to back up and restore apps
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I use my backup root I meant lol
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I think that one ROM that's 2.3.7 but they managed to get the ics launcher on it. My ***** runs it, so I forgot the name. Sorry I use a ns4g
Edit: it's by chadthegreat.
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Your *****?? nice.... <sarcasm>
Yes my *****. Because I think I could do better.
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Your *****?? nice.... <sarcasm>
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Im on Mikg v3.0 w. Less freedom kernel and its extremely stable smooth and complete im not sure if it has 4g (im on metro so only got 3g) i do reflash like crazy but this ROM has me pretty satisfied i havent flashed in a while u might lose a thing or two but nothing u cant live w. Out.
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If u want AOSP evo-deck-(gingerbread 2.3.7) only takes up 13mb of internal on initial boot 19mb after flashing gapps and its really stable too u might have to fix gps but thats the only issue i ran into (which is just a flashable zip if you do have to) and you can move the majority of apps to sd like CM it has a allow move to external option.
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