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Hi all
I just got myself sent a Hermes the other day and I was looking around here, my favourite XDA resource, for nifty things I could do with it. One thing that seems to be all the rage is upgrading to WM6. Now, I'm all in favour of upgrading and the amount of information and material here is, well, staggering. Overwhelming even. But, for all I read, I miss one critical thing: why do we upgrade to WM6? What does it give us that WM5 doesn't?
All I see, at the moment, is a swankier interface and a faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed? I guess I'm looking for an excuse to do this
Lastly, as I mentioned, there's almost too much information about all this. i can follow the guides and tools for installation but one thing will vex me if I was to upgrade - and that's which ROM to use. Now I'm certain every one of you has a favourite and so I'm not looking for a definitive recommendation, but what the hot ones that I should look into at the moment? As I see it, the "XDA Live" and "Black" see pretty popular..
Cheers!
Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.
wywywywy said:
Three reasons for me.
1. TomTom doesn't occassionally freeze
2. Easier to set as a modem
3. More responsive menus, button presses, etc
By the way WM6 is more like WM5 second edition rather than a brand new system.
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Pretty much says it all. I never soft reset anymore. More memory, faster than WM5, better tweaks, and has some things WM5 didn't cooked in to the ROM. As for the risk of bricking, that's an extremely low risk, very minimal actually, if you follow the guide and wiki.
and html email is not to be sneezed at.
Because we can!
Mobile Office 2k7 can read o2k7 native formats. You will never see this on WM5 unless some imgfs God with a lot of time on his/her hands ports it there....
Native SD card encryption is Huge. The A2DP stack is a thing of wonder too....
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Because we can!
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exactly!!!!!!!!
My softbank x01ht came with WM5 and the only upgrade I did was the radio upgrade to 1.40.
May be it is my luck, but my x01ht seems really stable in its original ROM version (WM5 aku 2), I have never hard reset and the machine seems really stable. So my need to upgrade to WM6 to avoid system hang is not really existing.
Also, I use a lot of BUILT-IN functions such as Push Email, Wifi and Chinese support (my x01ht was flashed with a Hong Kong version 838 pro ROM before sold to me). If ANY one of such functions is WORSE in WM6 than in WM5, than WM6 is a no no for me. I can't stand any frequent freeze of the x01ht because I now depend solely on it for my daily phone/PIM use. If I don't have it working 100% normal, then I will lose many important phone calls.
I see WM6 really as an evolution of WM5. In WM6, MS has fixed many bugs that were in WM5, for example:
- Crappy A2DP
- WiFi now supports WPA
- HTML email
- Faster and more stable
- I'm sure MS has updated little things here and there to make WM6 more telco-standards (GSM, etc.) compliant
Well, are you still using Windows 95 on your PC?
My reasons for upgrading have been for (in order of importance) the speed, bug fixes, better memory management, the X button actually closing the app not just minimising it, Office updates, better compatibility and usability in the new Internet Explorer, etc.
When I bought my TyTN I was shocked by how slowly it responded to user input compared to previous Pocket PCs I'd owned.
After the developments that started occurring here a few months ago, there really was no turning back. I upgraded and now the OS is quick and very responsive. WM6 has been a godsend. The phone application also doesn't take 3-4 seconds to load when I press the call button to answer a call like it used to!
WM6 also has a much more polished look to it I think.
hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
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I did it simply because WM5 was a little unstable and I love experimenting / playing with stuff like this.
A side benefit which I didn't know I would get is the LVSW version that I installed allows WPA2 & WPA2-PSK authentication on the Wi-Fi. That meant I could run my Hermes at the same security as my network and didn't have to modify my wireless router and other PCs.
There's probably still a few other good reasons that haven't been mentioned in this thread yet.
Cheers, Oggy.
Bug fixing, more speed,...
With WM5 I had issues like the phone applicatoin reacted too slowy on an incomming call. so i missed the call. Or sometimes it even didn't ring.
WM6 works in that point.
bingobob said:
hold on, TomTom still freezes on mine with WM6 !
I still love it though (tomtom that is and wm6)
Let me know if this is solved will ya ?
ta
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Did you install TomTom 6.03??? As of that version I never had freezes anymore...
I to have tomtom lockup and sloooooowwwww to get map directions. Please I miss my fast tomtom 6. I am using 6.03. I wonder if i did something wrong. I never had this problem with wm5.
What about support?
One benefit of wm6 is that the hackers, tweakers, rom cookers, and random slackers such as myself keep this hermes wm6 forum active (albeit sometimes unforgiving to newcomers). If you have a question about wm6 on a hermes, it is probably already answered here. Can as much be said for the wm5 forums?
Just works
Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.
F*SH said:
... faster operation. But neither of those are big sellers in themselves and don't justify the bricking and incompatibility risks. So, what's the big appeal that I've missed?
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I don't think anyone with half a brain has bricked their phone doing an OS only upgrade (especially if they read the wiki etc etc)... and you answered your own question... who doesnt want a faster device?
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Personally I was about to ditch my TyTN. The default OS was infuriatingly slow, buggy, and had me resetting several times per day. If I hadn't stumbled upon XDA-develoopers and started flashing WM6, I would probably be a Nokia user again... WM6 just works. I've flashed maybe 10 different versions now, also the radio, and it's completely worth it. No big risk of bricking if you do your homework first.
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I feel the same way as LazPL in that I was about to stop using the phone.
What I hated most about WM5 was a lack of real integration between the phone and contacts funtions, eg.:
. If you chose a call from the recent call list you could not access the contact directly (eg. if you just tried calling someone on their fixed line and wanted to try their mobile, you could not just click on the recent call you just made and select a different type of number, you had to select the name again from the list). In WM6 you can do this
. If you saved an unknown number from your recent call list it would automatically create a new contact, instead of giving you the option to save it in an existing contact (and choosing what type of number it was) or creating a new contact. In WM6 you can.
For me these 2 were just basic everyday usability features that I can find in the cheapest phones, and totally unacceptable to be missing in a €600 device. On the basis of these 2 alone, upgrading to WM6 was worth it.
In addition, my original Orange ROM had some bugs that were just pathetic (although these could have been cured with a newer ROM, or perhaps were due to the original radio ROM - which I also upgraded - and not the OS):
. Calls to busy numbers started blaring the busy tone through the loudspeaker (very loud)
. Trying to answer a call waiting would freeze the phone and require a soft reset
Hope that helps.
Pastings WIFI keys!!!
I've not been able to paste a wifi key in my WM05 ROM somone told me it was security...
rubish i think M$ to implement the copy/paste code.
Modem -> Bluetooth PAN is HUGELY more stable, my connection used to drop all the time in modem mode, i can now sit for 2 hours on my laptop at coffee shops and surf the web, whithout paying silly 1 day WIFI pass prices!
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
Bless u...
but u know almost every Tytn got slower when upgraded to WM6(it's not real WM Version6 but a Second Edition of WM5). According to a developer of Microsoft in Asia Research Center, WM5SE has a memory limit which only allows 32 process in a row therefore we can see WM5SE(the so called WM6) cannot handle memory well.
That's the reason why Tytn got slower...
can i downgrade to WM5 again?
sure
downgrades are don like upgrades...
Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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Is there any GPS software available for the HTC?
where would I get WM5 from? HTC site or google?
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HTC site is a better choice...
bradlesliect said:
I was over the moon when I heard I could load WM6 on my TyTN....
my phone is now slower than it was before.......why would this be?
battled to get active sync working again. MS Active Sync 4.5 installed Outlook 2002 but it has not serial number....where do I get this from?
I was hoping they would release GPS software for this phone but it dont like it.... Anyone know if there is GPS software available? I know about the navigate software but that's the same as having a map book or street guide.
What has your experience been after upgrading your TyTN OS to WM6?
What are the new features in WM6? To me it still looks the same in terms of functionality.....
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Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
Itsdarts said:
Not sure why your upgrade seems slower, but my upgrade from the official WM6 upgrade from the HTC site went smooth as butter and everything seems faster for me. I've also noticed that it boots up a bit faster and I don't get errors from Xpress mail upon boot ups. The only thing I did notice was that it used up a bit more memory than WM5. My bluetooth head piece connects faster/better, I don't have to soft reset nearly as often as I did with Wm5 either. The messaging program has a few new features that I like too. I actually like my Tytn now. Unfortunately, Youtube still doesn't work out of the box and requires the flash bundle upgrade and that other video player TMCMP or what ever its called.
I use SPB Mobile Shell and SPB Pocket Plus and they work flawlessly with WM6. Overall, this was the best thing to happen since I got this phone in August.
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Hi,
Clearly either I have done something wrong, or there is something wrong with the phone. Is there a particular order in which this upgrade should be done?
My PDA is slow opening applications and I am battling with Active Sync 4.5
It displays an error each time and I dont know what it means. I have tried to google the error but cannot pick up anything.
I want to downgrade to WM5. Where can I download it from? I only find the SDK version of WM5. Any ideas where I can get WM5 from. I dont see it on HTC website either
Any help will do.
Thanks
I'd begin by reading Mr. Vanx's downgrade guide
You can use some registry tweaks/settings to improve responsiveness of your device if your flash goes ok. Official release ROMs are slower than cooked ROMs - so your choice also matters. For me the performance of WM6 has always been superior in comparison to WM5.
KaioneSoft SprintDB has not offered a solution for WM6. They still sell a patched version of their PPC2003 software that sorta works with WM5. At the KaioneSoft website there no signs of life since August 06 and I believe they are no longer active(except to collect money selling obsolete software).
My questions to the group:
Have you migrated out of KaioneSoft SprintDB?
If so what did you migrate to?
Thanks for your help,
N2O2
I am currently helping them with a WM6 version - as you would be aware, the major issue is the difference in the synch, otherwise SprintDB works well in WM6 - think we are reasonably close to a solution... dont worry, I was getting mightily frustrated myself with this lack of movement. I now have the ability to synch - albeit not quite as elegant as previously.
Thanks for the response. And thanks for helping out SprintDB project.
Unfortunately a database solution without synchronization is not useful to us. For our application to function we need to share data...
My concern with SprintDB is that they move so very slow. So ok, thanks to you, we are near a solution for WM6. Where will be when WM7 hits? Lost again? The newer operating systems are addressing some windows mobile shortcomings like security. These type of improvements more then interest me a little.
I've tested all the latest versions of our software on WM6 and SprintDB is the only one that won't function for us.
It would be good if KaioneSoft would keep us updated through their website, instead of pretending that the issue doesn't exist. Forcing their long time users to wade around the internet forums for solutions. I can't understand why they don't make the issue known on their website, unless they expect to sell to WM6 customers. I'm sure they refund unsuspecting WM6 purchasers, but not being forthright about the issue is more then a little shifty. I'm questioning if this software vendor is responsible enough to trust my databases to.
I have stopped further development with SprintDB and we are testing other solutions. So far Syware is the leading candidate and appears to be a very active company. Has anyone other opinions on database software for WM6?
Long time SprintDB user losing confidence,
N2O2
Hi, I've been using a SprintDB Pro database I developed a couple years ago, and now I'm looking at upgrading to a new device with WM 6. I use this app everyday, now have over 8000 records, and I was so bummed to learn that (1) ActiveSync 4.5 it seems does not support sync'ing databases anymore, and (2) SprintDB doesn't sync on WM 6. I would hate to have to ditch this thing and start over on another db product.
Any advice? Without the ability to sync on WM 6, then what? Can I at least back up my database? Would there be some other way to convert the cdb to something i can edit on the PC?
Any idea *when* SprintDB will fully suport WM 6? (Call me cynical, but hearing "I think we're reasonably close" does not sound to me like a release will happen very soon.)
Does anyone know more about this ActiveSync 4.5 limitation? Does that mean I just need to stay with an older version, or is there more to this?
Finally, if it does come to switching products, any other suggestions besides Syware (which I will check out)? Do any allow me to convert my forms, macros, etc. from SprintDB?
Thanks for any answers or advice!
Sprint DB
Wow, an impressive set of questions.
First off MLK is correct the program itself functions properly under WM6, the issue is with the sync. The sync issue exists because M$ removed Mobile Access support starting with WM5/ActiveSync4. SprintDB developed a work around that made AS4 function with their program that was designed for PPC2003. That work around no longer functions WM6. because M$ further slashed AS4.5
WM6 requires at least AS4.5 or Vista.
SprintDB told me in March 07 that a WM6 sync fix would be available in July 07. We are still waiting. In SrintDB's defense: I think this task is substantial, they are attempting to develop an Activesync type database sync with a deliberate slash of support by M$ in AS4 and 4.5.
It sounds as if you don't need to merge your PC database(mdb) with your WM database(cdb). If you can get away with simply converting your cdb to mdb and back to cdb, although a bit clumsy a program like "Access Converter" free from Kaisoft may be a work around. You could then stay with SprintDB saving the development cost of a migration.
http://www.pocketkai.net/asp/en/index-en.html
If you need to manage two databases the merge their contents ie WM6 <-> W2K the only solution I see is ODBC. This has the advantage of syncing your data via cell or Wifi connection. Unfortunatly this will involve having to redevelop your forms queries structure in another DB program such as Syware. I'm not aware of conversion utilities to migrate from SprintDB to another aplication. (Hint to developers reading in: You could gain the entire customer base from SprintDB if you offer such a function.)
I'm still looking for other DB options if there are suggestions.
Hope this helps. Good Luck.
Thank you N2O2, that was a very thoughtful reply and quite helpful.
The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month. If that happens, I'll be happy. Meanwhile, it sounds like Access Converter will let me squeak by until that release.
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The word I got from KaioneSoft Support is they expect to have a new version with sync for wm6 in about 1 month.
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KaioneSoft sends this answer every month, does this whenever you send a message that requests the solution to this problem.
Sorry guys, meant to correct this ages ago & only just noticed... new version is out & works with full sync - not as good as previous in that you have to initiate the sync, but at least it works.
Further to this, if the PPC has low memory, or the DB is "of a size" then sometimes the sync can incorrectly report a successful sync - I have another beta I am testing that looks to resolve this, so go 4 it, it looks like they have come through at last.
Works about 95%
Go for it, SprintDB is back & working better than the betas - have been using it noe for a few months without a hitch, save the odd refresh (thats why the 95% - think it gets tired every so often, mind you that be because my PPC is a memory hog & something is chewng it up without my knowledge - not SprintDB, something else I havent tracked as yet)
SprintDB working great but...
HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat
phmurphy said:
HI all,
I have been using SprintDB for years and love it. The new version seems to be working well, but I have sent in 4 support questions to KaioneSoft over a week ago and received only one response in the last few minutes.
I backup my data by exporting the data tables to csv files throughout the day. Twice now I have gotten an "Out of Memory" error at the end of a day, and the program crashes. I have tracked my memory use after each csv export and see that 1M of memory is added after each csv export and never released. So my memory gets eaten up all day long until I run out. Of course the workaround is just to close the program occasionally and reopen. But since you can lose your most recent changes I wanted to warn others about this problem.
Also, I noticed that I get an error message after about the second time I sync data, yet the data seem ok and I can't tell what is causing the error.
Anyone else with this issue?
Thanks,
Pat
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Which version are you using - this sounds very much like an old beta I had a while ago. FYI, I am using 1.5.0 (Build 1920)
Hi there
Firstly i am a very heavy user of my PDA's but not very technical & apologies for long post, but cant find the answers anywhere else on this site.
Have been using HTC SIM free handsets for approx 4.5 Years now, and been using a HTC TyTN II for the last year, updated the ROM from WM6.0 to WM 6.1 then everything started going wrong so decided to spend the £500 to jump to the HTC Touch Pro 2 but am very frustrated and almost at the point of going back to the TyTN II or going to another brand of phone as none of the software that i had on my TyTN II works with the Touch Pro 2 WM 6.1, as follows:
1. TomTom Navigator 6 does not work but works on TyTN II WM 6.1?
2. TomTom Navigator 7 (Tried it & HTC Confirmed it will not work either)
3. MS Voice Command or any other voice command software does not work
4. Many other MUST HAVE programs i had on TyTN II WM6.1 also will not work now
5. Company supplied software wont work either,
6. It also wont work with my Landrover Freelander 2 PTI kit, so am forced to go back to a BT Headset
Surely PDA software OS 6.1 cant be that different from version 6.0 in my experience with the TyTN II as 6.1 just had small enhancements to 6.0?
I at least need some navigation & voice command software to work on the Touch Pro 2 as it just can not be operated safely whilst moving otherwise, and there is no point in having it in the first place if i can't get these two software types to work, which is a big problem for me.
Does anyone know what software does work, although i think it is the HTC TouchFlo Skin that is the problem with other programs i have tried this weekend, as it does not allow third part software to be displayed on the home screen easily, even google apps toolbar has probs, does this sound feasible?
Can anyone help me out with this or did i buy the wrong phone maybe a Touch Pro would have been better as closer to my TyTN II layout and functions?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Hi there
Firstly i am a very heavy user of my PDA's but not very technical & apologies for long post, but cant find the answers anywhere else on this site.
Have been using HTC SIM free handsets for approx 4.5 Years now, and been using a HTC TyTN II for the last year, updated the ROM from WM6.0 to WM 6.1 then everything started going wrong so decided to spend the £500 to jump to the HTC Touch Pro 2 but am very frustrated and almost at the point of going back to the TyTN II or going to another brand of phone as none of the software that i had on my TyTN II works with the Touch Pro 2 WM 6.1, as follows:
1. TomTom Navigator 6 does not work but works on TyTN II WM 6.1?
2. TomTom Navigator 7 (Tried it & HTC Confirmed it will not work either)
3. MS Voice Command or any other voice command software does not work
4. Many other MUST HAVE programs i had on TyTN II WM6.1 also will not work now
5. Company supplied software wont work either,
6. It also wont work with my Landrover Freelander 2 PTI kit, so am forced to go back to a BT Headset
Surely PDA software OS 6.1 cant be that different from version 6.0 in my experience with the TyTN II as 6.1 just had small enhancements to 6.0?
I at least need some navigation & voice command software to work on the Touch Pro 2 as it just can not be operated safely whilst moving otherwise, and there is no point in having it in the first place if i can't get these two software types to work, which is a big problem for me.
Does anyone know what software does work, although i think it is the HTC TouchFlo Skin that is the problem with other programs i have tried this weekend, as it does not allow third part software to be displayed on the home screen easily, even google apps toolbar has probs, does this sound feasible?
Can anyone help me out with this or did i buy the wrong phone maybe a Touch Pro would have been better as closer to my TyTN II layout and functions?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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TT 7 Does work with Rhodium, as does VC, everything has it's quirks of config. BT has always been a pain in the ass and requires different settings for different HFPs, Car Kits and A2DPs.
If you wan to kill Touch Flow, go into start/settings/personal/today and untick the TF.
There are plenty of threads and posts that will resolve most of your issues mate.
Search the entire forum, not just the Rhodium section and you'll get the answers you need.
Cheers,
Beasty
From your list of programs I can only confirm that Tomtom 7 DOES work, and it works very well. I'm using 7.915.9196 VGA
I haven't installed much software yet as Ive been a bit busy, but everything I've put on has worked pefectly. Admittedly I only installed stuff that worked on my Diamond which was also wm6.1
alexsimmons said:
Hi there
Firstly i am a very heavy user of my PDA's but not very technical & apologies for long post, but cant find the answers anywhere else on this site.
Have been using HTC SIM free handsets for approx 4.5 Years now, and been using a HTC TyTN II for the last year, updated the ROM from WM6.0 to WM 6.1 then everything started going wrong so decided to spend the £500 to jump to the HTC Touch Pro 2 but am very frustrated and almost at the point of going back to the TyTN II or going to another brand of phone as none of the software that i had on my TyTN II works with the Touch Pro 2 WM 6.1, as follows:
1. TomTom Navigator 6 does not work but works on TyTN II WM 6.1?
2. TomTom Navigator 7 (Tried it & HTC Confirmed it will not work either)
3. MS Voice Command or any other voice command software does not work
4. Many other MUST HAVE programs i had on TyTN II WM6.1 also will not work now
5. Company supplied software wont work either,
6. It also wont work with my Landrover Freelander 2 PTI kit, so am forced to go back to a BT Headset
Surely PDA software OS 6.1 cant be that different from version 6.0 in my experience with the TyTN II as 6.1 just had small enhancements to 6.0?
I at least need some navigation & voice command software to work on the Touch Pro 2 as it just can not be operated safely whilst moving otherwise, and there is no point in having it in the first place if i can't get these two software types to work, which is a big problem for me.
Does anyone know what software does work, although i think it is the HTC TouchFlo Skin that is the problem with other programs i have tried this weekend, as it does not allow third part software to be displayed on the home screen easily, even google apps toolbar has probs, does this sound feasible?
Can anyone help me out with this or did i buy the wrong phone maybe a Touch Pro would have been better as closer to my TyTN II layout and functions?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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first of all sorry to hear you're having so much issues with the software you need to run on the phone. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and software from that i have working on tp2. tomtom6 from tytn 2 does not work but tomtom7 defo does. MSVC does work as well but you need to get version compatible with tp2. look in the HTC BLACKSTONE forum as most of the apps from this device work with tp2. please remember that tp2 is WVGA res so that alone may effect the compatibility of some programs. the Blackstone forum is littered with programs that you may need that will work on tp2 and even better! can't really comment on your work software as dont know what it is! good luck with searching!
oh and i know it may be silly but make sure your phone is visible for BT purposes an use phone to pair with your landrover. mine works well with my parrot system with no issues!
shingers5 said:
first of all sorry to hear you're having so much issues with the software you need to run on the phone. i have a kaiser/tytn 2 and software from that i have working on tp2. tomtom6 from tytn 2 does not work but tomtom7 defo does. MSVC does work as well but you need to get version compatible with tp2. look in the HTC BLACKSTONE forum as most of the apps from this device work with tp2. please remember that tp2 is WVGA res so that alone may effect the compatibility of some programs. the Blackstone forum is littered with programs that you may need that will work on tp2 and even better! can't really comment on your work software as dont know what it is! good luck with searching!
oh and i know it may be silly but make sure your phone is visible for BT purposes an use phone to pair with your landrover. mine works well with my parrot system with no issues!
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What he said!
agreed that WVGA is your biggest problem. install "second today" to solve your problem with things not on the screen because of touch flo.
Hi Beasty
Thanks for tips, now i know what its codename is, it made it easier to find stuff on this excellent site after i saw your and other replies and have since loaded MS VC 1.6 UK Edition which seems to work ok although not tried it yet with my new HTC BT Headset.
In reply to the others thanks for the great info so far, i have tried loading TomTom 7 once again from the MicroSD card and it wont even load, its just says "this version of TomTom 7 is not compatible with this device" when i click "OK" it just terminates. I dont know what version it is till it loads?
A friend of mine this evening says that the closest phone on the TT7 compatability list seems to be the HTC Touch HD, and that CoPilot 7 actually lists Touch Pro2 as a compatible device, so i will have to try that i think and see if it actually does work, and will let you and the forum know
In terms of the work applications, i know they are based on the MS .NET Micro framework and so should work out of the box, but no they dont, but i think it is a screen resolution issue more than anything else.
The other app i need to run ideally is "Nimbuzz" Multi IM app, again for work.
On both of these work related apps i get an intermittent error message, saying "An error has occurred with xxxx appplication, send error report yes or no" when i choose Yes, it loops same message, when i clicked No it loops once then closes.
I removed the "Nimbuzz" application and soft reset, but still get the error message for it which is weird. So if anyone knows of a Multi IM (Inc Skype) which will run on Touch Pro 2 i look forward to knowing about it.
Work funded 50% of my Touch Pro2 purchase so need to get this all working as best i can
Thanks again for the tips, hints, instructions
Alex
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MSVC does work as well but you need to get version compatible with tp2. look in the HTC BLACKSTONE forum as most of the apps from this device work with tp2.
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Do you know if anyone has been able to get MSVC to work with the TP2 with a bluetooth headset?
I have tried both the US and European versions of MSVC 1.6 with my TP2. It only seems to work with the built-in speaker.
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Do you know if anyone has been able to get MSVC to work with the TP2 with a bluetooth headset?
I have tried both the US and European versions of MSVC 1.6 with my TP2. It only seems to work with the built-in speaker.
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haven't tried as dont use bluetooth headsets. can't stand having that bulk in my ear. from what i have read it doesn't work but i can't be certain as not used myelf
Also make sure you install .net compact framework 3.5:
http://rapidshare.com/files/77805623/NETCFv35.wm.armv4i.cab
Hi
Added "Second Today" thanks for that, what a cool app, except got all those nasty recurring error messages that i had big trouble getting rid of.
Have now returned to bog standard WM6.1 having got rid of TouchFlo 3D thanks to Beasty
I like to use what i am used to till i have all the progs i need to be work productive on the move, will then fiddle with TouchFlo 3D laterz
Alex
tomtom 7.450 works well on my tp2
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Hi
Added "Second Today" thanks for that, what a cool app, except got all those nasty recurring error messages that i had big trouble getting rid of.
Have now returned to bog standard WM6.1 having got rid of TouchFlo 3D thanks to Beasty
I like to use what i am used to till i have all the progs i need to be work productive on the move, will then fiddle with TouchFlo 3D laterz
Alex
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No problem sir,
We are all here to help each other, TF3D is a highly usefull interface, just takes a bit of getting used to, 2nd today and TF3D is a great combination especially when you configure one of the softkeys to switch between both.
Multi IM you could try BeeJive, not a lot of experience with this (seem to remember Elite team including it in their Roms) but there are plenty available on the net.
Cheers,
Beasty
Hi All
Got MSVC working on TP2 but not with a BT headset so have just bought the Parrot Minikit Slim with voice dialling, although the voice dialling only works if you can sync the TP 2 with it just like my landrover, but it does not tell you this on the outside of the box.
Guess what? The TP2 is not listed on the Parrot Minikit compatibility list so may have spent/wasted another £70 today as cant sync the TP2 contacts with the Parrot system which is the same prob i was having with my landrover
Alex
alexsimmons said:
Hi there
Firstly i am a very heavy user of my PDA's but not very technical & apologies for long post, but cant find the answers anywhere else on this site.
Have been using HTC SIM free handsets for approx 4.5 Years now, and been using a HTC TyTN II for the last year, updated the ROM from WM6.0 to WM 6.1 then everything started going wrong so decided to spend the £500 to jump to the HTC Touch Pro 2 but am very frustrated and almost at the point of going back to the TyTN II or going to another brand of phone as none of the software that i had on my TyTN II works with the Touch Pro 2 WM 6.1, as follows:
1. TomTom Navigator 6 does not work but works on TyTN II WM 6.1?
2. TomTom Navigator 7 (Tried it & HTC Confirmed it will not work either)
3. MS Voice Command or any other voice command software does not work
4. Many other MUST HAVE programs i had on TyTN II WM6.1 also will not work now
5. Company supplied software wont work either,
6. It also wont work with my Landrover Freelander 2 PTI kit, so am forced to go back to a BT Headset
Surely PDA software OS 6.1 cant be that different from version 6.0 in my experience with the TyTN II as 6.1 just had small enhancements to 6.0?
I at least need some navigation & voice command software to work on the Touch Pro 2 as it just can not be operated safely whilst moving otherwise, and there is no point in having it in the first place if i can't get these two software types to work, which is a big problem for me.
Does anyone know what software does work, although i think it is the HTC TouchFlo Skin that is the problem with other programs i have tried this weekend, as it does not allow third part software to be displayed on the home screen easily, even google apps toolbar has probs, does this sound feasible?
Can anyone help me out with this or did i buy the wrong phone maybe a Touch Pro would have been better as closer to my TyTN II layout and functions?
Thanks in advance
Alex
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Hey Alex...
I am sorry to hear that you are having so many problems and I have a fix-all solution for you.... I have a posting up in the marketplace, where I am looking to Trade a HTC Titan (Sprint Mogul) and 2 HTC Kaisers (AT&T Tilt's) for 1 GSM Touch Pro 2.... & I can confirm that TomTom 7 works on all 3 (I have the GPS unlocked on the Mogul).... Just think... 3 phones for your 1... What a great deal
Can someone post the link to the UK version of MSVC? I can't see it at the MS site.
I installed MSVC on my TP2 which led to a hard reset, so I want to be sure that I'm using the right version.
Thanks
"...i have tried loading TomTom 7 once again from the MicroSD card and it wont even load, its just says "this version of TomTom 7 is not compatible with this device" when i click "OK" it just terminates. I dont know what version it is till it loads?"
I've exactly this same problem. Does anybody know how to get around this and get it installed?
Wouldn't you know it. 24 hours of bashing my head against the desk trying to get this to work....I add a message to this board and 10 minutes later it works. Just used 7.915.9196 VGA as pointed out by stunno and remembered to look in program files after it was installed instead of repeatedly clicking on the original installer on the memory card.
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Guess what? The TP2 is not listed on the Parrot Minikit compatibility list so may have spent/wasted another £70 today as cant sync the TP2 contacts with the Parrot system which is the same prob i was having with my landrover
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So strange.
I'm using the parrot CK3100, and that's working fine, out of the box.
Just let the TP2 find the Parrot, 1234 as pin, and the TP2 recognizes it as a Hands-free set.
And it automatically started synchronizing.
My parrot 3200LS will not sync the directory either. It just disconnects the bluetooth device as soon as you tell it to sync. It works as a handfree ok, but its a pain to make calls without the directory.
Ok here's my problem:
I make custom dutch roms for the Rhodium (touch pro 2).
I use the latest XIP/SYS builds (28009 at this moment) and I use manila/sense 2.5
(Almost) everything works great!
I also own a pioneer car-entertainment set (avic f900bt) which has a built in parrot bluetooth carkit.
Pairing goes perfect and I can transfer my phonebook and make calls.
The problem is that when I recieve a call and try to hang up the system hangs and needs a reset. My TP2 also hangs for a while after such an event and then after minutes goes back to the today screen.
At first I thought it was my carkit, but my wife's samsung and my brother in law's blackberry work fine.
Then I tried my own phone with the latest OFFICIAL 6.5 rom (dutch) and it worked great.
So I started to trial and error with different adjusted roms. I got it all working with the newest XIP/SYS builds. But the problem seems to lie somewhere in manila 2.5. I even got it working in manila 2.1 without any bugs
But with 2.5 I get the problems above. And I forgot to mention another bug:
- When I make a call or recieve a call I do not see a 'red phone' button to hang up which I do see with other phone's or roms without manila 2.5. So I have to end a call on my HTC instead of my carkit. And when I try after recieving a call it hangs as described above.
After 2 weeks of flashing and trying I give up...
I use the OEM from the latest official dutch 6.5 rom so those drivers can not be the issue. As stated before...It's all pointing to manila 2.5. But after flashing disabling manila does not fix the problem. So it must be somewhere in the cooking proces (Ervius VK 1.82)
Please one of you supreme chefs help me out here because it's frustrating me now and I want to get it working as it should.
Thanks a milion in advance!!
EDIT: to the mods; I did not know where exactly to post this after the re-organisation. So please move if neccesary.
Almost 170 views and no comments??
Please fellow cooks...I'm desperate...
Well i do think you already have an answer.
But the actual non existing pressure you feel from users that always want the latest no matter how buggy it might be
When MS started to "Leak" builds beyond 20000 (But before 21054).
I also started noticing Bluetooth pairings going haywire and acting differently.
As i don't care that much about what most "Flashers" think and tend to believe that the choices i make concerning cooking a rom are probably more founded in what is right.
I tend to stick to stable OS Builds. It's the New Age XDA dilemma, either dish out unpredictable New Builds, or make a ROM that in the first place Suits you and has the functionality You need.
In this case that would be an older SYS.
I think that also because of TP2 has now switched to different Bluetooth Stack and 2.1+EDR isn't helping.
And it might be that MS is actually working on getting up to speed and changing their own BT Stack, so HTC will not need to turn to WidComm for the BT Stack.
I do believe that there are a few Senior Cheffs and some Non Cheffs do probably know which other parts (besides the Obviously named Bluetooth related SYStem parts), might be related to dealing with Bluetooth Pairing and such.
Whatever solution there might or might not be, don't hesitate to make it hybrid.
Use the old fashioned method of dividing and conquering.
(Get a good supply off Coffee)
Start with Stable Release Build SYS replace 50% test. (leaving all obviously Bluetooth related Packages from Stable Build)
Replace the Next 25% Test etc, you know the drill.
And hopefully isolate the Packages from SYS that have related Files to Bluetooth.
Luckily there's already enough SYS packages you can rule out like enterprise, entertainment, Office and such.
I know it's not a cut and dried answer, but hopefully i can "Je een hart onder de riem steken" that your up against this alone ATM.
But consider this, how many time do you have at hand, and is it worth it putting a lot of time into it, only finding out MS fixes it in a few "Leaked" Beta Builds.
Who knows maybe this Bump does get a few others on to this thread that has already tackled this problem.
(Da_G is the most likely, that i know that might know other Bluetooth dependencies inside the SYS)
Cheerz,
PS: don't forget to enjoy the snow a bit.
Pairing with Avic f900BT
I too have the exact same problems. The phone is straight out of the box.
Any easy ansewrs as yer?
Magic3091 said:
I too have the exact same problems. The phone is straight out of the box.
Any easy ansewrs as yer?
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I got it working on mine using the attached cab