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android as main use

can i use android as a main system.
so i want to turn my phone on, and get directly in android..
is this possible... ??
thnks

larsoss said:
can i use android as a main system.
so i want to turn my phone on, and get directly in android..
is this possible... ??
thnks
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Why would you want to do that? It is still in BETA stage and battery drainage is completely high....unbelievably high.
If you still want to go with it 2 options:
1 - Buy a Android Phone if you love it so much.
2 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751
This link will give you the steps - this is what it has to say:
15.01.10 UPDATE NEW*GSM RAPH ONLY: MichyPrima has created a lite WinMo that automatically loads haret from your SD card. It loads pretty quick and i can confirm it works Give it a go if you're tired of waiting for WinMo to load. It now has a boot option so just wait until you see Booting countdown and touch the screen. It will offer 4 options
Reboot, Shutdown, USB mass Storage and Continue Booting Android
Best of Luck

man, can u make a rom based on wm6.5 look like android?

salim1001 said:
Why would you want to do that? It is still in BETA stage and battery drainage is completely high....unbelievably high.
If you still want to go with it 2 options:
1 - Buy a Android Phone if you love it so much.
2 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=601751
This link will give you the steps - this is what it has to say:
15.01.10 UPDATE NEW*GSM RAPH ONLY: MichyPrima has created a lite WinMo that automatically loads haret from your SD card. It loads pretty quick and i can confirm it works Give it a go if you're tired of waiting for WinMo to load. It now has a boot option so just wait until you see Booting countdown and touch the screen. It will offer 4 options
Reboot, Shutdown, USB mass Storage and Continue Booting Android
Best of Luck
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From my experience, the android rom by babijoee is good for daily uses. It's fast, and battery drain is not an issue any more.

calvin83 said:
From my experience, the android rom by babijoee is good for daily uses. It's fast, and battery drain is not an issue any more.
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I have been following the thread for Android on regular basis and i still see that Batter Drainage is an open issue where the chefs are trying to get a fix. I am sure if you use the Android...it will not last more than 3 hours!
Carry your charger along

salim1001 said:
I have been following the thread for Android on regular basis and i still see that Batter Drainage is an open issue where the chefs are trying to get a fix. I am sure if you use the Android...it will not last more than 3 hours!
Carry your charger along
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Sorry to tell you that you are wrong. My diamond can use for 8 hrs (normal phone calls and sms, etc) using the latest build. I think you may have missed most of the threads talking about the latest development?

8 hour...sounds nice...would love to try that...you got the link for this build?

in my opinion because of the intense overheating that you can get if u use your phone like a dayli one ( internet ..bla bla bla) , yopu can damage it..
yesterday y was on the android on the net with my diamond and radio 1.13.25.55 the device uverheated and my touch went nuts....was not usable .. even in winmo..changed the rom ... the same..after changing the radio is ok now but i have a strange impresion that something is wrong with it because it overheats even in winmo...so:
thx very much to the guys that port android on our phones and can harddly whait to have it as a stand alone but..:|...for now i am not trying android anymore... this is only my opinion thx

What zimage were you using??? I was very surprised today when I started using this one: http://zimages.googlecode.com/svn/a...sm-android/zImage-modules-20100116_163203.tar
It doesn't run very hot anymore and speed is very good.
You can take a look at my post here if you like: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5391590&postcount=167

[REQ] Stock Rom that allows us to keep root

Im looking for a stock rom with no changes to it that allows me to keep root. I Looked through all the older threads in development but it seems there have been updates and such. Right now I am running CM 6.1 and it seem my batt is dying way faster then it did on a stock rom. I'd like to compare them and such. If anyone has one or can point me in the right direction i'd be happy! Thank you!

Digitaldreamer7 said:
Im looking for a stock rom with no changes to it that allows me to keep root. I Looked through all the older threads in development but it seems there have been updates and such. Right now I am running CM 6.1 and it seem my batt is dying way faster then it did on a stock rom. I'd like to compare them and such. If anyone has one or can point me in the right direction i'd be happy! Thank you!
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Yes, I am experiencing higher drain as well. Search the development section for cr_mod, look for the CR_Mod OTA 1.35.something. It's the rooted stock ROM with a wireless tether built in, OTA update and all. That's what your looking for. I flashed dumfuq's OC 4.0 kernel over the stock ROM and got better battery life than the stock HTC kernel, so I also recommend doing that. I'm on cm6.1 stable now, so I can easily modify themes, since it's AOSP based, and also so I can use the gingerbread latin_IME keyboard, since you need at least froyo to do that.

MusicMan374 said:
Yes, I am experiencing higher drain as well. Search the development section for cr_mod, look for the CR_Mod OTA 1.35.something. It's the rooted stock ROM with a wireless tether built in, OTA update and all. That's what your looking for. I flashed dumfuq's OC 4.0 kernel over the stock ROM and got better battery life than the stock HTC kernel, so I also recommend doing that. I'm on cm6.1 stable now, so I can easily modify themes, since it's AOSP based, and also so I can use the gingerbread latin_IME keyboard, since you need at least froyo to do that.
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Hey thanks! I went back for about 8 hours and hated it. Im back on CM 6.1 and im getting terrible battery life still. IDK, I am going to try and reformat my SD card and reflash at a full battary etc. I migh ttry the kernel, but, I really don't want any OC of any kind, just maybe a lower standby setting, something in the range of 50mhz while the screen is off or something.

Digitaldreamer7 said:
Hey thanks! I went back for about 8 hours and hated it. Im back on CM 6.1 and im getting terrible battery life still. IDK, I am going to try and reformat my SD card and reflash at a full battary etc. I migh ttry the kernel, but, I really don't want any OC of any kind, just maybe a lower standby setting, something in the range of 50mhz while the screen is off or something.
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I cant see how formating an sd card could help. Anywho, cm 6.1 has the oc kernal already built into it. You dont need to flash any kernals, just use setcpu to adjust the speed.
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Digitaldreamer7 said:
Hey thanks! I went back for about 8 hours and hated it. Im back on CM 6.1 and im getting terrible battery life still. IDK, I am going to try and reformat my SD card and reflash at a full battary etc. I migh ttry the kernel, but, I really don't want any OC of any kind, just maybe a lower standby setting, something in the range of 50mhz while the screen is off or something.
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50 MHz is too low. 245 is the lowest option
guitarist5122 said:
I cant see how formating an sd card could help. Anywho, cm 6.1 has the oc kernal already built into it. You dont need to flash any kernals, just use setcpu to adjust the speed.
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I said try flashing dumfuq 4.0 over it because I THINK, not positive, but I was speculating that cyanogen had modified the kernel slightly that was causing a battery drain issue, because I stopped having so many issues with it when I flashed dumfuq's 4.0 kernel over it. Sounds weird, but it helped. I still have an occasional glitch where something is holding a wakelock on the system and it won't go to sleep, which is really annoying, and I think I traced it back to the music app, but still not sure there. I've been off of the charger for over an hour, with just 11 minutes of screen on and screen is 71% of the usage while cell standby is 11%, that's what makes me think flashing dumfuqs 4.0 fixed it. Cyanogen must've made a modification.
So, also @ the OP, go into spare parts battery history and see what is using it. If "running" is up above like 30 or 50% then you have something holding a wakelock, go to partial wake usage, and look at the app or UID that's got the wakelock. Rebooting normally gets rid of the lock for me, like I said, haven't quite figured it out yet.

am i missing something with the evo? (Alot of *****ing)

i just switched from the epic 4g to the evo (tried for 30 days, but the pentile matrix was a deal breaker). I flashed myn's rom. and netarchy's latest stable kernel. 4.3.1 -conservative, screen off profile too.
is it supposed to be this slow? I had to remove all the animations just to bear.
is it supposed to be so choppy?
why can't websites load quick enough? is it the flash?
the text is so blurry, is there a sharper font?
the battery? wtf. if i put it to sleep, it's ok. but with the screen on (relatively light to medium use) it won't last the day.
how do i watch videos?
am i missing somethings?

tonayie2 said:
i just switched from the epic 4g to the evo (tried for 30 days, but the pentile matrix was a deal breaker). I flashed myn's rom. and netarchy's latest stable kernel. 4.3.1 -conservative, screen off profile too.
is it supposed to be this slow? I had to remove all the animations just to bear.
is it supposed to be so choppy?
why can't websites load quick enough? is it the flash?
the text is so blurry, is there a sharper font?
the battery? wtf. if i put it to sleep, it's ok. but with the screen on (relatively light to medium use) it won't last the day.
how do i watch videos?
am i missing somethings?
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I dont know what you're talking about. I'm running the plain myn with the kernel he provides and it's fast as hell and stable. Maybe the kernel u installed is causing problems.
Try doing a full wipe and reflashing with whatever he provides.
As far as the internet goes, there is a problem with the hosts file that myn has in rls5. Download ad-free from the market, click Revert, then download the newest host files. That will fix your slow internet.

Sounds like something is jacked with your flash of the rom. Did you download rls5? What radios do you have? RLS5 is blazing fast.
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computerjunkie said:
I dont know what you're talking about. I'm running the plain myn with the kernel he provides and it's fast as hell and stable. Maybe the kernel u installed is causing problems.
Try doing a full wipe and reflashing with whatever he provides.
As far as the internet goes, there is a problem with the hosts file that myn has in rls5. Download ad-free from the market, click Revert, then download the newest host files. That will fix your slow internet.
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Wow thanks a lot. That really helped with the internet.

tonayie2 said:
Wow thanks a lot. That really helped with the internet.
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Glad to help.
Try going back to the kernel that was provided with the ROM. This is one of the most fast and stable ROMs I've flashed for the Evo.

computerjunkie said:
Glad to help.
Try going back to the kernel that was provided with the ROM. This is one of the most fast and stable ROMs I've flashed for the Evo.
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i actually did try that, but the battery was draining more that i liked. it probably was something that i did. I will try trouble-shooting later. Thanks alot though.

Sounds like somethin in your setup is acting up...
I've tried 3 different ROMs (CM6 currently) and havent ever had "bad" battery life... and I do use my phone, have email/FB/wether updating hourly and I check other Email, news, etc all the time... watch a video here and there.... My battery never lasts less than a day...
I'd say just wipe everything and try another ROM/kernel... hopefully that'll help

Just like everyone says wipe your cache & Dalvik. Matter fact do like i do if your running clockwork wipe it 2x or 3x's. Get Rom Manager and and update your clockwork to the latest 3.0.0.2 <<--i think thats it.
Wipe and re flash should solve your problem. I run Myns Rls5 and its flawless...

I was only on Myn for a day, but I didn't have any problems with it. I set up my friends on it though and he's been using it for the past few weeks with no speed or lag issues.
I have had the problems you describe on a few different ROMs if I'm using a kernel that doesn't play well with the phone/ROM. I would play with different kernels until you get a setup that works.
Hope that helps.

If your using Set CPU make sure is not throttled way down because this will lag and freeze your phone up. Kernel is probably making things worse as well.

luist4498 said:
If your using Set CPU make sure is not throttled way down because this will lag and freeze your phone up. Kernel is probably making things worse as well.
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I'll confirm this. I got rid of set cpu all together. battery life is just fine. get to about 10-15% by the time i charge at night.

I just want to say that compared to the Epic the EVO screen is crap. You are going to have to deal with that. It will never be as good of a picture. As for battery life this is a known issue. Battery life on the Evo is terrible. There are certain tweaks and settings that will work to where you can get the whole day out of your phone. Just try different kernels, settings and what not until you figure out what works for your phone. Believe it or not all Evo's are a little different and what works for one may not work for yours. May I also suggest purchasing an extended battery. You can find cheap ones on ebay for around $10. These will give you better battery life. Enjoy the Evo bro and don't worry you will find out what works best for your phone. Just come here and read everyday and try new things and sooner or later you will be rocking the Evo just the way you want it.

[q] miui evo 1.3.25-help!

I am farely new to all of this stuff. I recently installed MIUI 1.3.25. Now after the HTC EVO 4 white screen, it loads the unlock screen, and prepares the SD card, and then freezes. So I pulled the battery out and tried several more times with the same results. WHAT DO I DO????

First of all welcome!!!!
Hmm... try wiping EVERYTHING twice and reflashing.

Thanks. That did work. Until I went into my SET CPU APP to overclock and then it froze again. Is there something that this ROM has against the APP? I am just trying to overclock it. Any recomendations?

yes im guessing you overclocked it too far dont hit or go past 122. plus why even have it that high? so to sum it up, tune it down a bit.

I can't figure out why I'm getting such low Linpak scores on this ROM. I was getting better scores with Sense and this ones supposed to be FAST!

You don't need to worry about quadrant/linpack scores...if it react and perfoms fast be happy.

I guess my expectations were to high. I have read a ton of threads and they all say how fast these Gingerbread ROMs are. It lags just when I scroll through the APPs and hit the HOME button or type a text message.

Lol, let it set in. Also check your minimum cpu usage.

*Deep-breaths* We'll just take baby steps. Learn a little more everyday. Thanks a ton. Any ideas off the top that would help send me to bliss would be appreciated otherwise I will continue reading.....

If you read throughout all of the MIUI threads, the Gingerbread versions are buggy right now. I'm not moving back to MIUI until they get the bugs gone.

chaser1919 said:
*Deep-breaths* We'll just take baby steps. Learn a little more everyday. Thanks a ton. Any ideas off the top that would help send me to bliss would be appreciated otherwise I will continue reading.....
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If you download VM Heap Tool from the Market and set the heap size to 40 or more, it should get rid of your lag. It will also prevent a lot of launcher force closes.
As has been stated, MIUI has only had two three Gingerbread releases so far, one of which was only on the Nexus S, and there is still a lot of work to do. If you check it out in a couple weeks, most problems should be ironed out, and MIUI will once again be as fast as you've heard. In the meantime, the 1.3.18 Froyo release, which you can find HERE, has been well-recieved.

Under-clocking - how slow can we go?

Hi all.
This may seem an odd question but can anyone advise on slowing down the clock-speed on the TP2? I want to try out various options for conserving battery life when using the GPS and maps in the mountains away from power sources for a few days. I only need a fix and screen update every 15m or so and it takes a number of seconds to walk that distance. With the backlight set to switch off quickly and brighten up on a screen tap, and the baud rate on the GPS set way down I'm hoping I won't have to carry too many spare batteries for a trip lasting a week.
Some questions: not too dumb I hope.
-Is it possible to change clock-speed on the fly without a reboot?
-Does the Gen-Y bootloader get around the unsigned apps issue?
-Is using MM-Mapper under a low speed Android setup going to conserve battery life better?
Thanks for any advice you can offer.

Uh, what?
This was posted in the WinMo section. Are you talking about underclocking WinMo or Android?
SetCPU for Android, which I know you can set any number of metrics on underclocking, depending on condition, etc... But this isn't the Android section.
I only know of WinMo Speed app for WinMo. I'm pretty sure it can underclock, but it seems it cannot adjust dynamically like Android does.
With that said, WinMo sips battery compared to Android. Some have said WinMo can go weeks (on a good battery, in airplane mode). I don't think anyone's gone over 65 hours on a single charge of Android, and that was again airplane mode. Android basically idling for 65 hours.
All Gen.Y does is boot Android. No clue what you mean or why you would think it would get around any "unsigned app" issue. It's just a fancy app that clicks HaRET.exe for you.

arrrghhh said:
Uh, what?
This was posted in the WinMo section. Are you talking about underclocking WinMo or Android?.
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I was enquiring about both OS's, their configurability and relative power consumptions.
arrrghhh said:
SetCPU for Android, which I know you can set any number of metrics on underclocking, depending on condition, etc... But this isn't the Android section..
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Noted, I'll start another thread in the Android section when I get that far with my install.
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I only know of WinMo Speed app for WinMo. I'm pretty sure it can underclock, but it seems it cannot adjust dynamically like Android does..
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Thanks for the link.
I'm uncertain about the developer's acronyms. WM=Window Manager in the linux world but what does it mean here? Windows Mobile?
"TECHNIQUE
Basically WiMoSpeed is hardware-independent, because it lets WM change clock speed. But I couldn't get WM to switch the clock reliable on request so WiMoSpeed had to switch the clock registers itself on setting a new speed.
Therefore WiMoSpeed depends on CPU-hardware, RADIO- and OS-ROM.
Raising or lowering cpu speed didn't change battery drain or device temperature noticeable. So there isn't dynamic clocking in WiMoSpeed, but WM is still controlling and changing cpu-speed on battery."
Looks like it's not going to make much difference anyway.
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With that said, WinMo sips battery compared to Android. Some have said WinMo can go weeks (on a good battery, in airplane mode). I don't think anyone's gone over 65 hours on a single charge of Android, and that was again airplane mode. Android basically idling for 65 hours.
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Good info, thanks. Maybe MM Mapper's developer might consider compiling a linux version which will run on a simple tinylinux style Rhobuntu kernel. Which section can I discuss linux in by the way?
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All Gen.Y does is boot Android. No clue what you mean or why you would think it would get around any "unsigned app" issue. It's just a fancy app that clicks HaRET.exe for you.
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I'd read that it was thought that the way HaRET kicked WinMo out of RAM might be the cause of the problems with unsigned apps afterwards. I wondered if GEN-Y, by booting Android 'from cold' without WinMo being already resident might get around the issue. Much to learn, sorry to trouble you.

map-maker said:
Thanks for the link.
I'm uncertain about the developer's acronyms. WM=Window Manager in the linux world but what does it mean here? Windows Mobile?
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WM, WinMo, Windows Mobile... it's all the same. Everyone uses something different it seems.
map-maker said:
Good info, thanks. Maybe MM Mapper's developer might consider compiling a linux version which will run on a simple tinylinux style Rhobuntu kernel. Which section can I discuss linux in by the way?
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Sounds incredibly painful, and not very useful. I have no clue what MM Mapper is - link?
map-maker said:
I'd read that it was thought that the way HaRET kicked WinMo out of RAM might be the cause of the problems with unsigned apps afterwards. I wondered if GEN-Y, by booting Android 'from cold' without WinMo being already resident might get around the issue. Much to learn, sorry to trouble you.
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No clue what you mean about unsigned apps. Never had a problem with it, but it sounds like a WinMo issue.
You have to use WinMo to run HaRET. HaRET is a WinMo application... . So Gen.Y is a fancy way to click HaRET.exe, and HaRET is a Windows Mobile application... yea.

arrrghhh said:
Sounds incredibly painful, and not very useful.
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Optimisation is never easy.
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I have no clue what MM Mapper is - link?
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My bad, it's MM Tracker not MM Mapper https://sites.google.com/site/mmtrackerinfo/
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No clue what you mean about unsigned apps. Never had a problem with it, but it sounds like a WinMo issue.
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I read about it in the thread on Rhobuntu, and I think I came across someone mentioning a similar difficulty with Android when either is started with HaRET.exe
"After booting back into WinMo, you can't install or run unsigned apps. This problem probably has something to do with the way haret kicks WinMo out of the RAM. It also seems to occur only in combination with the use of Exchange Server. The only known solution at the moment is Hard Reset."
at the first bullet point here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ubuntu_on_the_Rhodium#Important_-_Read_First
It looks less serious with Android:
"* You need to be able to run unsigned apps, as the Haret launcher is not signed."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648045

map-maker said:
My bad, it's MM Tracker not MM Mapper https://sites.google.com/site/mmtrackerinfo/
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I don't see why you would want this for Linux, since it runs on Android .
map-maker said:
I read about it in the thread on Rhobuntu, and I think I came across someone mentioning a similar difficulty with Android when either is started with HaRET.exe
"After booting back into WinMo, you can't install or run unsigned apps. This problem probably has something to do with the way haret kicks WinMo out of the RAM. It also seems to occur only in combination with the use of Exchange Server. The only known solution at the moment is Hard Reset."
at the first bullet point here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ubuntu_on_the_Rhodium#Important_-_Read_First
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I know 0 about running Ubuntu on a TP2. Seemed completely useless, and I never even attempted it.
map-maker said:
It looks less serious with Android:
"* You need to be able to run unsigned apps, as the Haret launcher is not signed."
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=648045
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You're quoting ancient posts... I've personally never had an issue with 'running unsigned apps'. I've used a few different versions of EnergyROM, and I've never had a problem with HaRET starting.

arrrghhh said:
I don't see why you would want this for Linux, since it runs on Android .
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I'm an old hand with small efficient linux kernels, I have come over from devices like the Nokia N810 running Maemo and older slower kit like Sun Sparc. I know squat about Android, apart from that it is basically linux with some stuff Google will never tell us about. Which is par for the course; there are bits of Maemo Nokia wouldn't tell us about either...
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I know 0 about running Ubuntu on a TP2. Seemed completely useless, and I never even attempted it.
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It works, but unsigned apps won't run on the WM afterwards without a hard reset and reload under the standard ROM if you use MS exchange (I do).
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You're quoting ancient posts... I've personally never had an issue with 'running unsigned apps'. I've used a few different versions of EnergyROM, and I've never had a problem with HaRET starting.
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Yes, very nice cookery there. I'm impressed, and will probably start by reflashing with the lightest EnergyROM and then test RHObuntu with HaRET.exe and see what gives. Then I'll roll my sleeves up and load up a microSD with Android and MM Tracker and compare battery life with WM and Memory Map .
Apols for quoting old posts, it's a bit daunting for a N00b who is trying to start at the beginning and catch up.