As most of you know, we have had an issue with charging all nand flashed Android devices, put simply, unlike windows mobile, we cannot charge while the device is powered down.
This has caused quite a few problems for users who are unaware of this, there are many posts related to dead batteries, non-booting devices etc, and although there are steps we can take to avoid this, it is perhaps a more important issue than GPS or Camera.
This is in no way disrespect to those working on these aspects, I have nothing but admiration for the way you guys have improved upon the usability and functionality of our beloved gadgets.
However I feel that we also need to address this issue, it is, for many, a major stumbling block, which causes many to return to Windows mobile, with a sense of dissatisfaction for all that has been achieved.
Much as I'd love to work on this, my skills are not in this field, and have no idea where to start looking, although I suspect it's Kernel based, since it affects all builds.
So what I'm asking for is for those with more knowledge than me, to start throwing a few ideas around, see what we can come up with.
Thanks for reading this
zenity I don't think that is a big issue cause there is a workaround.
I already post this in Warm Donut thread and I learned from polyrhythmic
When your battery is dead, plug phone into the charger and when the LED turns orange power on the device. Then leave it alone to charge.
My battery drains out at least twice a week and powering on while LED is orange always worked for me.
I know this isnt the thread for work arounds but I wanted to put my two cents in...
When phone is dead (power button does nothing):
1. Plug in for about 20 seconds
2. Unplug
3. Remove and replace battery
4. Turn on
5. Plug in again.
Well while we are throwing 2cents in the pot...
My experience was thinking I destroyed my phone cause even after being on charge for some time after full battery drain it wouldn't come on with power button... Finally poked soft-reset button and it booted right up, and since then I've learned on complete drain, plug in for a couple minutes then hit reset and it comes on...
Ive also noticed the soft reset thing, but for me the experience is mostly quite different. I havent experienced a long delay between dead battery and charging maybe but whenever my phone turns off at 0% battery, almost every time it turns on automatically when I plug in the charging cable, and I get the charging sound notification during the android splashscreen. I'm using myns warm donut on nand.
The problem is that all these workarounds are not addressing the root of the problem, we cannot charge while switched off, and this is the issue I'd like to see a solution to.
I like the simplicity of the plug in and power on workaround though, didn't think of that, lol.
when you flash nbh kernel on device, you overwritting standard bootloader, that knows about system state, when you plugging charger in - phone waits sometime and starts bootloader, that starts kernel without display powered up (you can see it on flashing LEDs) - to fix this problem, we need dump that bootloader code from winmo nbh and try to include it to our bootloader.
problem is - nobody knows how to do that
Well that's an answer, lol, perhaps not the one I expected, but at least it gives somewhere to look
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when you flash nbh kernel on device, you overwritting standard bootloader, that knows about system state, when you plugging charger in - phone waits sometime and starts bootloader, that starts kernel without display powered up (you can see it on flashing LEDs) - to fix this problem, we need dump that bootloader code from winmo nbh and try to include it to our bootloader.
problem is - nobody knows how to do that
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OK... that gives me and idea....
BRB...
Nevermind...
I had pulled apart the winmo nbh before, so I thought I would give it a try...
I think the HardSPL most of us install to get android installed is the issue.
I flashed just the spl that came with the stock HTC rom for tilt,
it wrote OK but didn't overwrite the HardSPL and didn't fix the charging.
I know some people flash the android nbh without going to hardspl first.
my question would then be...
can anyone that has the original stock spl on the phone charge android with the phone off?
I think we need HardSPL on our phones to flash the NBH anyway, however wouldn't that affect winmo charging also?
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I think we need HardSPL on our phones to flash the NBH anyway, however wouldn't that affect winmo charging also?
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I haven't gone back to winmo in so long...
Does the phone charge while off in winmo after installing hardspl???
Yes it does, got my spare kais on stock winmo for a work related development project just now, it charges fine when off, hardSPL 3.34.
well that just shoots a hole in my theory then doesn't it...
the contents of the stock nbh are as follows...
00_GSM_0x301.nb (radio)
01_SPL_0x200.nb (Bootloader)
02_MainSplash_0x600.nb (Bootsplash)
03_OS_0x400.nb (windows mobile OS)
when flashing android nbh's we only change the OS
most of us have changed the radio as well as flashing HARDSPL
I have changed my Bootslpash as well but I am sure that isn't the problem.
like I said... I flashed just the stock spl back to the phone.
but it didn't change the HArdSPL.
however, if the phone still charges with the winmo OS and Hardspl
I am again at a loss.
just reread this:
HardSPL prevent you from accidently flashing a new SPL (you must use Jump/Soft SPL for this) and SuperCID your phone.
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so that explains the spl flash not overwriting hardspl...
not sure we want to do that anyway.
As far as I'm aware it's kernel related, but I really don't know enough about it to know exactly the relationship between the kernel and how it handles charging while off.
When switched off something must wake up the kernel in order to initiate the charging process, now why does it stop charging? That is the problem that has to be solved.
here is a quote from the wiki...
Why would I want to change my SPL back after I HardSPL?
Up until a week ago the answer you would have probably gotten is "you wouldn't." However with the release of the Official 6.1 HTC ROM there has been alot of speculation, and some real data inferring that for best performance of a ROM you should use the SPL that came with a ROM or at the very least (to put it another way) you should use a newer SPL with a newer ROM.
There is no definitive proof or specific results that can show you how one SPL will make your device perform over another. I believe I have conducted the most "scientific" experiments on this to date which you can find here. However which SPL you use is up to you based on how you feel it makes the device operate. I recommend however that you use either one of the HardSPLs or the SPL that came with your ROM. It is not recommended (at this point) to run your ROM with an SPL that is not matched to it.
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maybe the SPL is looking for winmo...
do we need an android specific hardspl???
or like you said it may be kernel related.
Just looking for patterns everyone one in this thread is using the newest radio. Maybe try an older radio. My thought is that maybe the battery never went to 0 when you were using wimo and the newest radio (my case).
On a side note. It is really bad to let LiOn batteries go to 0. they are different than NiCad yet many keep the same habits. NiCad had to be drained for the memory problem that LiOn doenst have. I always turn my phone off at 10% if i cant get to a charger. Never need to charge with the phone off.
and look at that, as soon as i comment on battery stuff my phone shuts off and i have to charge with it off
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Just looking for patterns everyone one in this thread is using the newest radio. Maybe try an older radio. My thought is that maybe the battery never went to 0 when you were using wimo and the newest radio (my case).
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Ok not the case, i just tryed with a old radio 1.65.x
Are we sure that its not working? Inside the OS the light blinks and in wimo it was solid. could it just be that once the SPL loads the kernal that the light turns off? I remember leaving my phone plugged in even though the light was off and it turned on charged to 40%(when i got to where i was going).
In the end I still think a good fix is to have the phone shut down at 5%. I remember wimo did this, and as much as you wanted to turn it back on, it just shut down(could be changed, yes). Much better for LiOn anyway. This would help keep the install from going corrupt.
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I have an extra Excalibur with the official T Mobile WM6 rom that isn't working. When I turn the phone on, I get a screen with a white background, red text, and blue soft key buttons that reads:
Device start up failed dueto s
udden loss of power. Please c
lick "yes" to continue.
Note:
Do not remove battery be
fore device has been comple
tely shutdown (OFF).
Yes | No
If I press yes the phone does a power cycle and hangs at either the T Mobile splash screen or the WM6 splash screen. I've had no luck with a hard reset. Anybody familiar with this issue? It isn't a huge deal. Currently I'm using a Cavalier and I also have a working Excalibur and a working Wizard, both with 6.1 roms. However, it's be nice to get this phone working.
Only time I ever seen that error is when I ws messing with editing a ROM and must of removed a file that screwed WM up. Now since you say it's the official T-Mo ROM maybe it got currupted somehow. How I fixed it was the Hard Reset the USB way. Hold down the camera button while plugging in the USB with the cell off. It'll load the boat loader and you need to reflash with an official ROM. Now I know you said you Hard Reset, but I've seen people explain a few differents methods all being explained as Hard resetting. This method worked for me during my testing.
I'm flashing the original rom and everything seems to be working alright.
I really appreciate your help man.
Okay, I wish I had better news but I'm still running into problems. After I finished installing the rom from T-MO's website, I powered the phone on. It showed the T-Mo screen, then the WM6 Screen, then played the T-Mo animation/sound. The screen stuck here, and the phone would not power off so I removed the battery and put it back in. I then got the original error message and pressed yes, and the phone lagged at the same point again.
how long did you wait for fist boot?
rickwyatt said:
how long did you wait for fist boot?
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Like Ricky said, how long did you wait? The first boot could take a while, the flash is going to perform a "Cold Boot Config". It take a bit longer that first time to load.
I actually got it to prompt me for cold boot config once, but after finishing the phone rebooted and hung once again.
I don't know, maybe you got a hardware problem. I'd try reflashing it again and when it boots the first time don't touch it and see what happens. If it hangs for more then say 10 mins. I'd say you might be having a hardware problem.
Hmm. I guess I most definitely have a hardware problem. An error of that sort would most likely be from a faulty motherboard, correct? I have a dash that was taken into the lake not too long ago. Everything recovered okay, other than the screen. The phone no longer turns on for a completely different reason, but I think the guts are mostly good.
Is it possible to change out motherboards? If so, is it unwise to try the motherboard that went swimming with me over the summer?
Well considering neither work, what do you have to loose? lol I say try swapping aprts and see what comes of it. I have seen cells "go swimming before and servive as long as the battery is removed right away and it's allowed to dry thoroughly. They don't opperate on much voltage so short curcuits due to water is not as bad as say a 12 volt or higher device.
Also, I forgot to mention the status on the phone. Okay, I can flash an official ROM and it will boot up and run Cold Boot Config. After that the phone will power cycle. It hangs a little bit at the T-Mo splash screen, but does eventually start. At that point it basically works flawlessly, except I cannot detect it through ActiveSync via USB.
Once the phone powers off, it will not turn back on. I don't get the original error message, just nothing happens. Only way to get the phone turned on again is to hold the camera button down while plugging in the USB cord, and start all over flashing an official ROM.
Yeah, I would say hardware failure. It's a complete new flash so it shouldn't be suffering from a software problem. Maybe the ROM Chip is damaged causing errors to the WM installation. Same thing as a bad hard drive in a computer that will currupt files and end up crashing the system.
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Yeah, I would say hardware failure. It's a complete new flash so it shouldn't be suffering from a software problem. Maybe the ROM Chip is damaged causing errors to the WM installation. Same thing as a bad hard drive in a computer that will currupt files and end up crashing the system.
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That's exactly what i'm thinking too, sounds like a hardware error as a flash wont solve it.
So what piece of hardware is the most likely culprit?
I never took mine apart, but I would say it's the ROM Chip which should be soldered to the motherboard. If it is replace the whole motherboard...
t mobile dash
so when holding down the camera key and plug the usb do i try to also turn it on what am i looking for and how long do i hold the keys down
thank you
Hi guys/gals.
Got a bit of a problem, and not sure whether it's the actual phone at fault, or the software...
Had the phone for about 4 months now, and have noticed this to get worse and worse... I'm pretty sure it's happened before on the stock rom, but can't remember whether it happened before I unlocked the phone to be able to install custom roms (not security/sim unlock, just a standard unlock to allow custom roms).
Anyway, this is basically how my phone's life has been: I got phone, used standard htc rom. Then, the spl unlocker came out, and I installed that about 2 weeks after it came out (waited just to check people had no probs ). Then, I installed one of the energy roms as my first rom. Installed a few other roms in between, then an updated energy rom etc. Then, I installed the official wwe 6.5 rom. Then, I went back to the energy rom. Currently, I'm using the 26th October (iirc) rom. As I said, not sure whether it happened when I had the official 6.1 rom on (spl locked), but I'm quite sure it happened while I had the official 6.5 rom on (spl unlocked). It has happened tho with all different custom rom images I've used...
Basically, what I've noticed, is that sometimes I'm replying to a text message or email, click reply, pull out keyboard, and it seems to cause the phone to power off. Pressing the power button starts it again. Sometimes, I've not been doing anything, and it's turned itself off. Sometimes, I've dropped the phone (even only a slight drop of about 1cm), and it's caused it to power off.
I've also had times where it's turned itself off, and nothing's allowed it to come back on, other than taking the battery out the back of the phone and re-adding the battery. Then, pressing the power button powers the phone on.
Is this a problem with the roms, a problem with the spl unlocker, or a problem with my phone itself? Am I best contacting htc?
Any advice welcome, as it's very annoying coming to use the phone, and finding it's turned itself off, or when I go to reply, I open the keyboard, and then have to wait for it to load up and power it on to reply!!!
Many thanks in advance
Hi.
It's very anoying for you..
I suppose you should try to (re)install the latest Hard SPL, and to install the latest Radio too. After it, make a hard reset. Next, flash with your favorite ROM And come back here to say us what happens.
See you, and good luck for these manips.
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Hi guys/gals.
Basically, what I've noticed, is that sometimes I'm replying to a text message or email, click reply, pull out keyboard, and it seems to cause the phone to power off. Pressing the power button starts it again. Sometimes, I've not been doing anything, and it's turned itself off. Sometimes, I've dropped the phone (even only a slight drop of about 1cm), and it's caused it to power off.
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I've had this same trouble. It would happen to me when I would finish typing a text message and hit the send key and slide the keyboard close at the same time. I only really noticed it when I was running the energyroms, however I can not say for sure that they are the root cause of it, as I have waited till the message was sent before closing my keyboard ever since.
Well, since I wrote this message this morning, it's happened at least twice. Both times whilst the phone has been in my pocket...
I will try installing the latest hard spl. Think the radio I have is the latest already. Will also try a different ROM just in case it is energy roms which is causing it (but am pretty sure it happened with other roms).
Thanks for those suggestions, will let you know any outcomes
try Valkyrie. ^^
Well, I went through and installed the new hardspl (altho not sure if any different to the one I had, how would I tell?!). I then installed the image from josh, which had the latest radio and rphone.dll (or whatever the file is called) matched to it. However, doesn't appear to have made any difference. Still doing it...
Does anyone else suffer much with it, and it's just a design fault? Or should I contact htc? As surely it should just turn off when in your pocket?!
No-one else? I'm just the only person. Guess I best drop htc an email then...
my att Rhodium /tilt2 does it too
Ive been dealing with this for awhile now also.... , also return my phone for new one but this one does the same thing my radio is 4.47.25.24 and i have 1.6beta rom by josh build 21882.5.073 .
My XDA Orbit went crazy today, first I couldn't start him at all, he wasn't react on "power button". After few attemts he finally started. I connected him to PC but he turned off after couple minutes. From this moment I can't start windows, it stops at starting screen (with IPL, SPL, GSM, OS). After a while screen starting to quakes (like a low frequency on CRT). I tried hard reset, it won't help and run it in bootloader mode but Orbit just reset.
Additonal info:
IPL 3.04.0001
SPL 3.04.0000
GSM 02.67.90
OS 3.4.0.0
ROM: Original WM6 from O2
Can anyone help me?
Have you tried a different barttery?
No, I didn't. I don't know anybody with artemis to borow another battery.
EDIT: I checked battery voltage, it's about 3,85V and now i noticed something, on battery sticker is printed it is for ARTE160 3.7VDC-1200mAh but on the phone it's printed ARTE200 5VDV-1A. Is that can cause the problem?
Finally I forced it to run in bootloader mode and flashed with the same O2 WM6 ROM. He started and I was abble to flash USPL and other ROM. It's better but still sometimes phone just poweroff with no reason
flisak said:
Finally I forced it to run in bootloader mode and flashed with the same O2 WM6 ROM. He started and I was abble to flash USPL and other ROM. It's better but still sometimes phone just poweroff with no reason
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Hi
Had a similar problem!!! Try reflashing the rom....It worked for me..I used the o2 stock rom found on the the artemis wiki in the ftp section.... Can also highly recommend the Touch rom found in the windows mobile 6 section of the artemis section here..
regards
Lohtse
I bought a new battery but phone still turning off and freezes. Now I can't even turn it on, sometimes it starts but screen slowly fades away and after few seconds its only black screen with black light. It's propably a hardware problem but what?
EDIT: I started it, working fine when it's connected with pc but when I disconnect it freezes after couple of minutes.
flisak
open the device and check the screen is connected propperly, piss easy, just be very carefull.
if this does not work buy a new LCD.
Hi, I have the same problem with my Artemis, did anyone find a solution? Can be a problem with the LCD?
And plus one here. The device always turn off, and is difficult to turn on again. Rplaced battery and is the same.....
I've got an XDA Orbit that periodically hangs (full black screen and occasionally this seems to drain the battery very quickly). I've taken it apart and reseated the connectors and these all look ok.
Seems to happen when you're taking it out of a pocket to answer a call etc. Sometime it just requires a soft-reset but occasionally it just doesn't respond. In these instances I have found that twisting it slightly across the diagonal (top left to bottom right bending back slightly) and then resetting the device seems to bring it back to life and it's ok for a few hour/days again. If I leave it alone, i.e. not in my jeans pocket - it's fine, so think it's hardware related but not sure which bit is faulty - screen, touch-screen, mainboard etc.
If I bend it the same as above when it's working the screen goes screwy and causes it to crash so think it's definitely this is what's causing the device to crash. However, the clock seems to keep going (I'm assuming so as in most incidents it doesn't seem to lose the correct time - although I might just be seeing the problem the instant after it has crashed) so don't know whether the mainboard is still ok.
Just thought it might help some if you try the slight twisting described above to see if that helps with these to get them working and if anyone has any ideas how I can work out which bit of mine is faulty I'd be grateful.
when I try to flash the ROM 6.5 for my HP3300 after 4% flashing it restrats again. Pls help me out. I think this problem might be with my Ext_ROM. How to unlok EXT_ ROM
what is the best touch rom to use for my xda orbit. and where can i get it
lohtse said:
Hi
Had a similar problem!!! Try reflashing the rom....It worked for me..I used the o2 stock rom found on the the artemis wiki in the ftp section.... Can also highly recommend the Touch rom found in the windows mobile 6 section of the artemis section here..
regards
Lohtse
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what is the best touch rom to use for my xda orbit. and where can i get it
Well it seems that I'm having similar issues with my Orbit.
I've been having problems with it for a few weeks and they seem to be getting much worse now.
Occasionally it would just lock up and freeze, but after frantic tapping it will unfreeze itself and continue working fine. But over the past few days it's been locking up regulary. Removing the battery was the only way to get it going again.
But now it just won't do anytihing. As soon as I start it up I either get a white screen (it phases in during the splash screen), or it'll start up, freezes after a few seconds, then eventually switches itself off. Hard resetting it makes no difference at all. Changing the battery didn't work either. I always keep it on charge overnight, could that be the problem? Maybe I'm just overcharging the battery (if that's even possible).
Note: As I've typed this, I've switched it on again only to find the battery's flat, even though it's been off for most of the day (I gave up trying to start it up). The battery usually lasts for the whole day - maybe even 2 days if I don't use it much. I had it on charge overnight as I said.
I'll try another battery to see if that works. If not then what can I do?
I have this new T-Mobile Touch Pro 2. I currently have the Stock European ROM (6.5) on it. Before that, I was using the TMO 6.5 version. My problem is that the phone randomly freezes/dies/turns itself off while sitting idle. And every time it happens, I either have to soft reset it or take the battery out and put it back in to turn it back on. Simply pressing the power button doesn't do anything. Funny thing is that this phone is a replacement that was sent to me by T-Mobile because my first device was doing the same thing (which I had for about a month). T-Mobile tech support was just as lost as me. Can anyone here help me?
I have the exact same problem! Have you found a solution or at least learned the cause of the problem ?
Phone turns off ramdomly
Hi
I have the same problem the phone is shutting down ramdomly without any warning and i have to use the power button to turn it on again
any solution guys ??
Did you task29 the rhodium before flashing the new rom?
Sometimes flashing the new rom doesn't clear the memory properly leaving traces of old files to foul up the operation. Flashing task29 before flashing a new rom will stop this.
After you flash task29 there will be NO os on the rhodium. You will need to pull the battery, Put it into bootloader and then flash new rom from PC or use sd card method.
Cheers...
I have exactly the same problem, 2-3 times a day, I need to soft reset it. The phone was working well until I moved from 6.1 (original) to 6.5; I believe the new radio has issues. Any recommendation, flashing the radio does not solve the problem.
I used to have 1-3 SODs a day. Now I have only one SOD a month. My solution was to remove compact framework 3.5 and that weathersolution where you can add new cities. By the way; I upgraded to WM 6.5. Before the upgrade I had no SODs.
Sorry to bring up an old topic, but I recently acquired a Touch Pro 2 (RHOD100, original HTC model) and having exact the same issue. There's no saying when it's happening, but always during an action. Had it when pressing the End key after a call, when pulling the Usb cable from the device, and during other things too.
Hardware seems fine, battery is firmly in place and contacts are fine, and clean.
Having factory WM 6.5 Rom on it. And like mentioned before, I also do have Compact Framework 3.5 installed since it's required by some of my software.
Anyone ever found a solution that's confirmed to solve the issue?
I'm sorry for bumping up an old thread but after doing a search this was the first one that was listed which isn't 'That old'. I have just bought one of these phones, brand new, from factory. It comes with windows 6.5 and runs the OS version for the phone is - 5.2.21887 (21887.5.0.86) The phone seems to randomly just shut off without notice and to be able to turn it back on again to use it, I've got to take the battery out and put it back in again, then it will be able to turn back on. When the phone does enter the state of completely turning itself off. I have noticed that my notification LED light does flash green, I don't know why it does this. But if anyone has some help for me to sort this problem out and enable me to use my phone perfectly then that would be great!
Yet again, sorry for bumping up an oldish thread
There is another topic already open... a few guys remained with zero battery while they've ran Android and they can't start the TP2 anymore. Still no solution by now...
I am in a similar position... my phone charged and started... but my USB connection to the computer is dead (no "unknown USB" or something, just plug in and nothing, just charging...)
Believe me, I've tried 3 different computers with XP, Vista or Windos 7, and three different USB cables...
Guys, I really appreciate your work and I am a real tester of new mobile things... but, please, help me. I've already made 3 hard-resets and still nothing, and... I can't instal another ROM because I don't have a USB connection. I have windows 6.5 original HTC version.
Tx in advance.
And, by the way,,, PUT A MAJOR WARNING TO THE GUYS INSTALING ANDROID ON TP2... NOT DRAIN THE BATTERY!!!!!!
Hey
This is also happening to my device. I'd appreciate any advise, help or just someone telling me, to stop being a nerd and to go and buy the Desire.
Thanks in advance.
hi realy i now battery gets realy hot and drains it fast i think its nog good at al for battery and some maybey whil get a dead battery or it has something to do whit your usb in its own or driver malfunction
ps realy think buying the real thing is still the best to do thats why i am gone buy desire
I bought a cradle with sync/charge + charge extra battery from ebay. That saved me a couple of times. Don't forget to add a Battery to the order. I bet your battery is just fine. You just need an external batterycharger.
Just to be well understood.
The phone is going well, in WiMo 6.5 or Android, I can charging the battery with no problem, but... I can't connect it to any PC... that's a real problem...
Is it any posibility to reset the USB driver of the phone or something?
popab said:
Just to be well understood.
The phone is going well, in WiMo 6.5 or Android, I can charging the battery with no problem, but... I can't connect it to any PC... that's a real problem...
Is it any posibility to reset the USB driver of the phone or something?
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ok just to be sure your only problem is that it doesnt give a usb connections on your pc??
what rom are you using?? (sorry see that you have original HTC version) and did you try to convert your phone back to factory defaults tru the option within the system settings folder???
did you try to boot to andriod again?? with usb atached? and without?
ok just to be sure your only problem is that it doesnt give a usb connections on your pc??
what rom are you using?? (sorry see that you have original HTC version) and did you try to convert your phone back to factory defaults tru the option within the system settings folder???
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I have wiMo 6.5 HTC original version. I've tried to convert to factory defaults three times... the same.
I did boot again Android with USB and without attached... still nothing...
I suppose it's a driver issue (it's stocked somehow), but how can I get it in the normal state on another method, another than the tried ones?
I really appreciate a helping hand...
Deptcharge said:
ok just to be sure your only problem is that it doesnt give a usb connections on your pc??
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For me at least, I don't get any connection via USB to the PC. In bootloader my device only has "Serial". As this condition seems to be permanent, I can only flash from SD card now. Is it really not possible to change from Serial to USB in the bootloader window?
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what rom are you using?? (sorry see that you have original HTC version) and did you try to convert your phone back to factory defaults tru the option within the system settings folder???
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I'm now on the stock HTC 6.5 ROM with Sense 2.5, localized Danish.
Not really sure, what you mean with the system settings folder. I'm not a noob, since I've cooked and flashed a lot of ROMs, but that seems like a setting I haven't heard of. Please enlighten me.
Deptcharge said:
did you try to boot to andriod again?? with usb atached? and without?
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Guilty as charged.
TIA.
TorbenKB said:
For me at least, I don't get any connection via USB to the PC. In bootloader my device only has "Serial". As this condition seems to be permanent, I can only flash from SD card now. Is it really not possible to change from Serial to USB in the bootloader window?
I'm now on the stock HTC 6.5 ROM with Sense 2.5, localized Danish.
Not really sure, what you mean with the system settings folder. I'm not a noob, since I've cooked and flashed a lot of ROMs, but that seems like a setting I haven't heard of. Please enlighten me.
Guilty as charged.
TIA.
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ok well first of all sorry for late response was really busy with work and all.
ok second i didnt build/create or ever attempted to figure out how the haret loader works and how its possible to run andriod on TP2 but i do have quite some exprience with software and loaders. so my question about what happent if you booted andriod again was because i thought if it screws up your settings under WM6.5 and after that fails to boot the right way.
maybe after another boot which is going fine, it auto-corrects the settings under WM6.5 but that was just a wild guess.
ok third about the system settings option stuff
i will try to enlight you i now run Cell EVO v7 and before that i had the Energy rom WM6.5 both had these function but with deferent names.
if i press start-flag at the bottom left in the home screen. and than go to "Settings" button and after that i press "System" than there is an option called "Clear Storage" and i removes ALL settings and changes you made and returns everything back to the first install moment of that ROM. i forgot what this was called under the Energy ROM but it was also under the "System" button.
hope it will make any difference for you good luck!
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if i press start-flag at the bottom left in the home screen. and than go to "Settings" button and after that i press "System" than there is an option called "Clear Storage" and i removes ALL settings and changes you made and returns everything back to the first install moment of that ROM. i forgot what this was called under the Energy ROM but it was also under the "System" button.
hope it will make any difference for you good luck!
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My friend, I tried the both hard resest and "Clear Storage", I think the both are basicaly the same. Anyway, none of them produced any positive feedback.
Guys, reading this forum it seems that a LOT of people got a LOT of problems after draining their battery under Android... it seems that I am a lucky one only USB connection got dead... a lot of other guys just got their ... TP2 dead.
So.... nobody seems to have any ideea about what is going on!
Guys, I really appreciate your work, I hope you know that you are experimenting on thousend of mobiles phones around the world... and all of them are exposed to get malfunctioned... some of them for good.
Please, if you get us in this circle of Android... just help us! otherwise I think you are not so well intended...
waiting for your help!
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My friend, I tried the both hard resest and "Clear Storage", I think the both are basicaly the same. Anyway, none of them produced any positive feedback.
Guys, reading this forum it seems that a LOT of people got a LOT of problems after draining their battery under Android... it seems that I am a lucky one only USB connection got dead... a lot of other guys just got their ... TP2 dead.
So.... nobody seems to have any ideea about what is going on!
Guys, I really appreciate your work, I hope you know that you are experimenting on thousend of mobiles phones around the world... and all of them are exposed to get malfunctioned... some of them for good.
Please, if you get us in this circle of Android... just help us! otherwise I think you are not so well intended...
waiting for your help!
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Nobody has had a "dead TP2" from the android OS. It drains the battery very hard, sometimes yes, but if you know anything about batteries, this also means that the battery is going to need a very good charge again. New batteries are designed to have minimal battery memory anyways.
I had to return a ATT Fuze for the USB connection failing while I was using strictly WM, but i didn't blame it on WM.... I feel like a lot of people are starting posts about these issues who are making huge jumps to conclusion. Is there some hard solid evidence this is even happening? Read these threads on this forum about battery "issues", and a few posts down the line the person is saying "ok, i think everything is fixed, i just needed to charge it" or something along those lines.
I got my external charger today. Plugged it in & left it charging for an hour or so. Got into bootloader and successfully reflashed. Boots fine. Problem solved!
My guess is that Android doesn't have a reserve in place so your battery doesn't get so low that it can't even reboot.
OK, guys,I went at HTC service, after 3 days the phone is again in good condition.. They replaced the mainboard!!! SO, TAKE CARE, ANDROID KILL YOUR PHONE. I SEE NOBODY PUT THIS WARNING ON ANDROID THREAD, although I mentioned it from the very begining.
Regarding me, I will calm down with Android on my TP2... Anyway, what's the point, HTC Sence is the best interface among all the mobile phones. See you on WM threads, bye bye Android.
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OK, guys,I went at HTC service, after 3 days the phone is again in good condition.. They replaced the mainboard!!! SO, TAKE CARE, ANDROID KILL YOUR PHONE. I SEE NOBODY PUT THIS WARNING ON ANDROID THREAD, although I mentioned it from the very begining.
Regarding me, I will calm down with Android on my TP2... Anyway, what's the point, HTC Sence is the best interface among all the mobile phones. See you on WM threads, bye bye Android.
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wow! i'm having exactly the same issues as you had (i mean, this could by my thread )! I've also already tried everything you've been trying, and I just sent it to HTC last Friday! I see some good hope
have fun with your TP2 I know it still doesn't get me down to use android though!
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SO, TAKE CARE, ANDROID KILL YOUR PHONE. I SEE NOBODY PUT THIS WARNING ON ANDROID THREAD, although I mentioned it from the very begining.
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I find this to sound slightly ignorant.
You're on a website that's all about doing things to your phone that the supplier never intended, jamming things into it to make it do what it never said it would do when you bought it.
The guys here at xda-dev give us some amazing things to move beyond the limits of the phones out-of-the-box, and pretty much everything posted on this site comes with a "do it at your own risk"-warning.
Now you're accusing these people of having "not-so-good-intentions"?
You came to the site, you decided to use what was here knowing full well what that means, so the risk was yours to take. You knew the risks when you signed on, and if you didn't, you weren't paying attention.
I understand and applaud that you're trying to warn people of the consequences, but please don't act as if you shouldn't have known that everything you do with things supplied through this site wasn't completely your decision.
If you want to make absolutely sure your phone isn't at risk, don't tamper with it.
You're right, I was informed about the "do-it-on-your-risk"... and I can't accuse anybody. What I want to do is to put an additional warning" BE CAREFUL, DON'T DRAIN YOUR BATTERY", there are enough warnings on this site of people that got in the same situation like me. Take care of our friends!
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What I want to do is to put an additional warning" BE CAREFUL, DON'T DRAIN YOUR BATTERY"
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See, that's cool.
That's cool... but unfortunately the icon on Android doesn't really show you when the battery goes off... that's the point.
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What I want to do is to put an additional warning" BE CAREFUL, DON'T DRAIN YOUR BATTERY"
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Have drained my phone fully MANY times with Android, WAYYY too many to count, and I have never had it kill any hardware. Being on this XDA Developers web page, the "warning" should be unspoken. As many have said before, WinMo does not let your battery drain down all the way to 0%, Android does, therefore the handset will not boot, until the battery has stored enough power again. This is easily fixed by plugging it into a WALL Charger, not a USB Charger.
wow... i thought it was just your average "whoops, bug" moment.
whenever it happens to me, i simply unhook the usb from the phone, hit the reset button on the phone, let it boot all the way into wm, then plug in the usb... it works fine after that.
best of luck