Hi all, first post but I'm really curious about this. I have a Droid Incredible and a 2008 Corolla with the factory radio. I added an aux-in 3.5 mm jack (several actually) to the head unit using one of the standard kits that plugs into the CD changer port on the back of the radio. This works well, although I had to get some mini TRS-TRRS 3.5 adapters to stop the Incredible from having the problem where it thinks it's getting headset commands through a TRS headset plug and goes crazy.
The thing that I would love is if I could control my Incredible with the buttons on the head unit, at least to have the ability to skip tracks forward/back by pushing the radio buttons. As far as I can tell, this should be possible given the hardware. There are kits that use the CD changer port on the radio to control an iPod, so we know we can get the track forward/back buttons sent out. And we know the Incredible will take headset commands like play/pause, answer, voice dial, and track forward through the headphone jack (I know this partly because these are the things my Incredible does when it is going crazy from the TRS input).
So is there no adapter that will connect to my car radio CD changer port and send the radio button pushes out as TRRS headset commands? I am really surprised this doesn't exist, but have searched around the web to no avail. Considering trying to build something but I don't have experience with an electronics project of this scale.
Alternatively, there is probably going to be an audio in/out + remote control for the Incredible usb adapter at some point, like the one for the Droid Eris. I assume this will be available since we know the Incredible is wired for audio through the USB port (I know this from the videos online where the Incredible does video out with audio through the USB). So this would appear to be another option for running the car radio commands into the phone.
Okay, barring any device surfacing to handle this, I'm going ahead with some research of my own. Apparently one reason devices and information are not widely available is that Apple may have a patent on some forms of headset commands through the TRRS 3.5 or 2.5 mm jack. Since I'm a new forum user I can't post any links out right now; sorry.
I have a SkullCandy headphones+mic. They have a single button next to the mic. This button works to pause/play the Meridian music player on my Droid Incredible. Pushing the button twice rapidly pauses and then skips to the next track and plays. If I push the button when no music player is open, it opens Meridian and plays. If I push when some other music player is open, it opens Meridian and plays.
Presumably the button works by changing the resistance over the headphone wires. Checking the resistance between the sleeve (which seems to be ground) and the other contacts (Tip, Ring1, Ring2) I find that without the button pressed, the resistance is about 1 kOhm for all three. Pushing the button changes the resistances to be: 17 Ohm, 17 Ohm, 1 Ohm for the Tip, Ring1, Ring2 respectively.
So if I can figure out what the head unit sends to the CD changer when the radio buttons are pushed, I may be able to rig up something useful. I am still curious what other signals might be possible. When I have the shorting out going crazy behavior there definitely seems to be a case where it opens the voice dialer window or calls the last number in the call list. Not clear whether this is a different hardware signal or something about the software state of the phone when it gets the resistance change. Haven't yet tested what happens when you push the button and there is a call, but presumably it answers/hangs up. There are other headsets (for Apple players mostly) that have additional buttons too; not sure if that's relevant.
Hmm, I need a headunit for the same functions.
AFAIK for controllling a smartphone over bluetooth it must support AVRCP for controlling and A2DP for audio.
So I found this unit: Sony MEX-BT3800U
Iam going to buy this soon (need to sell some stuff).
Hope this runs with my Kaiser
@sda2: that one looks pretty good! A little pricey for me and I kind of like the aesthetic of having the factory radio but just having it do more. Keeps my car looking cheap and not theft-worthy.
I have confirmed that pretty much everything I've seen the phone do in response to headset commands is just dependent on the context the OS/software is in. So other than the single click or double click there doesn't seem to be a lot more that the phone is expecting to handle.
However, I did find an app called DroidShuffle that allows you to assign more functions to things like a long click or a triple click. Sadly, I couldn't get this app to work with my setup on the Incredible. But I think it is an interesting concept; since the OS only seems to understand 1 type of click, just write a service that lets it respond differently to different numbers or duration of click. Then setup a circuit that converts the different car radio head unit button pushes into these differentiable click trains.
Don't think I'm going to put the time in though; will wait to see what kind of control you can get through the micro-USB.
Another possibility: a device to convert the head unit button pushes to bluetooth AVRCP. This might be more widely useful, but I think the complexity and cost versus a wired solution push it towards the point where just getting a new head unit makes more sense. Unless I can find a simple generic AVRCP chip...
I think what you're looking for is something like this? It comes with a wireless strap that you can put on your steering wheel that gives you control over your device. Basic stuff like answering phone, play music, and move track forward and back. Plus, it uses a 3.5mm port, so no stupid bad quality FM radio. As long as Bluetooth is enabled, it automatically connects to the device. So all you gotta do is walk into the car.
BTW, I have this hooked up to my Pioneer stereo, using the P-BUS that all Pioneers have. I just needed a adapter. Not to confuse anyone, this needs a car stereo with a 3.5mm aux jack. You can usually get an adapter that plugs in the back where the CD changer would normally go, and avoid the terrible FM radio quality. Don't waste your time with FM radio adapters.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0011UIX2K/ref=oss_product
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@DukeNukem: This looks nice; I especially like the steering wheel remote. I am still going to play with decoding the output from the head unit buttons, and I ordered a microcontroller and bluetooth module to see if I can actually get it speaking AVRCP without giving myself a stroke. But that has moved into fun project land so I think your suggestion will be the practical solution, especially if I can find it for < $50.
yeah i also need that for my relative who has the same problem about the Car radio head unit that sends headset commands
thanks!!
Well, I bought a Really Bare Bones Board (Arduino compatible that's small, cheap, and easy to breadboard) from Modern Device. Based on several Corolla AVCLAN sniffing projects out there on the web (Marcin, SigmaObjects, AngryCamel) it was pretty easy to get something up and running that sniffs the bus for head unit messages.
Since I already paid the $50 for the box that emulates a CD changer to add aux-in, I don't need to worry about that, but it should be pretty easy to accomplish that with the microcontroller as well.
For sending headset commands through the 3.5 mm jack, I think I'm pretty close. Not exactly sure how to emulate a click on the headset button, but I would guess a simple transistor can do the job since it's basically just a change in resistance.
I bought a bluetooth chip though, so I am trying to get messages to my phone through that for now. There is a post on android forums where someone has hacked the pinout for the USB/AV port on the Droid Incredible too, so I'm hoping it will be possible to send commands through that at some time soon.
Will plan to post project details at some point, but it's still a work in progress for now.
You can try with this one:
mytrendyphone.co.uk
Clarion DXZ588RUSB USB/MP3 Radio - Black
Okay, I have a simple version essentially working: can capture commands from the car radio and signal simple headset clicks to the smartphone. Haven't written the software to link everything up yet; will post when that's done.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chinasaur/4732574146/
http://fritzing.org/projects/cellphone-headset-clicker/
It should be fairly trivial to modify VWCDPIC (for Audi / Volkswagen / SEAT / Skoda) etc, to do this. I may look into doing this for my HTC HD2 soon, if no-one has done this yet.
For emulating the button pushes, on the TRRS I think you should just connect the lines to each TRR, and just leave them in input mode (high resistance). Then when you want to send a command, just pull the line down to ground. If you're worried about applying too much resistance, add a resistor between the micro and the tip or ring.
On my HTC headset:
Play/Pause/Phone - Pull the second ring down to ground (Mic line)
Previous Track - Pull the first ring down from 20kOhm to ~235 Ohm
Next Track - Pull the tip from 20kOhm to ~600 Ohm
Thanks for that futaris; I'll check out whether I get different behaviors for pulling different lines to ground.
Hallo,
I have in my car VWCDPIC working with my android HTC desire phone, but now without remote control of this phone. For me is enough implement jump between tags and play/stop function - so the same functions which I have on headset for my phone.
I checked firmware which is here :
http://www.k9spud.com/vwcdpic/devel/vwcdpic3/flash/
and checked source code. I found inside source code this information :
; VWCDPIC Volkswagen CMR PIC16F627(a)/PIC16F628(a) Connections
;--------------------------------------------------------------------------
; PIC RA3 -> VW Pin 2 Clock to Head Unit
; PIC RA2 -> VW Pin 1 Data to Head Unit
; PIC RB0 <- VW Pin 4 Data from Head Unit
; Make sure PIC and VW Head Unit have common GND.
;
; PIC RB6 -> PJRC MP3 Player RX (19.2Kbps serial)
; PIC RB7 -> Archos Jukebox RX (9600bps serial with weak pull-up)
; Make sure PIC and MP3 Player have common GND.
;
; Volkswagen CMR:
; PIC RB1 -> TP11 when button Mix is pressed has about 15
; seconds logic low output (one pulse)
; ALSO:
; when soft-button CD6 is pressed, TP11 has
; about 3 seconds logic low output (one pulse)
; FINALLY:
; when button SCAN is pressed, TP11 has about 20ms
; logic low output (one pulse)
;
; PIC RB2 -> TP14 when button Next Track (>>) is pressed, has
; about 20ms logic low output (one pulse)
;
; PIC RB3 -> TP15 when button Last Track (<<) is pressed, TP15
; has about 20ms logic low output (one pulse)
;
; PIC RB4 -> Track number is incremented when one pulse (low active) on RB4
;
; PIC RB5 -> Track number is decremented when one pulse (low active) on RB5
Important information is that on RB2 and RB3 is pulse after next/last track pressing. But it's for PIC16F627 with 16pins.
What I need is modify this firmware for PIC12F629 which is now connected :
; VWCDPIC 3.x PIC12F629/PIC12F675/PIC12F683 Connections
;--------------------------------------------------------------------------
; PIC GP0 -> VW Pin 2 Clock to Head Unit
; PIC GP1 -> VW Pin 1 Data to Head Unit
; PIC GP2 <- VW Pin 4 Data from Head Unit
; Make sure PIC and VW Head Unit have common GND.
;
; PIC GP4 -> PJRC MP3 Player RX (19.2Kbps serial)
; PIC GP5 -> Archos Jukebox RX (9600bps serial with weak pull-up)
; Make sure PIC and MP3 Player have common GND.
so I want cancel GP4 and GP5 - I don't need this serial communication and on GP3, GP4, GP5 I need next/last track pulse and play/stop pulse.
Is there somebody who is able change program and implement it ?
Thanks
Alda
You guys inspired me to look deeper into this. I found a few potential solutions. I am not one to really spend a lot of money on this type of stuff, but there is one heck of a solutions commercially available:
(can't post a link, but lookup Scosche BT1200)
If you click on the download link and look at the instructions, you can really see how this thing works. It is a pretty elegant solution, but then again you pay for it as well. I like that it allows BT streaming or direct connect.
It seems to me that the whole reason this stuff is so hard to find is due to Apple's longtime patent of a way of controlling portable audio devices. I am not sure what the specifics are, but you certainly don't see anyone making a nice adapter/connector from iPod to TRRS that codes these commands for TRRS signaling. My fiance has a car with play/pause, volume controls on the steering wheel, and I would love to have it all work with a generic mp3 player, but unfortunately it is set to work with an iPod, and there doesn't seem to be any other way about it. It is almost like consumers are being bullied by these patents. I want the functionality, but I am not going to be stuck with buying from that brand.
I think that best way is firmware modification as posted futaris , but I don't have enough skills to do that. Or is some modificaton for HTC phones ( and not only HTC - it's only about resistance ) available now ?
Alda
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Has anyone used one of these devices - ebay item 330270408584
How well does it work with a PPC ?
I would take a punt and get one, but apparently I will need adaptors to connect to my car (audi) which bumps the price to £61 !!!
In view of that, I want to know if the sound is crystal clear, connects automatically etc
XCarLink?
hays said:
Has anyone used one of these devices - ebay item 330270408584
How well does it work with a PPC ?
I would take a punt and get one, but apparently I will need adaptors to connect to my car (audi) which bumps the price to £61 !!!
In view of that, I want to know if the sound is crystal clear, connects automatically etc
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I have been looking at these on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160283183151
£75 and you get an MP3 player that interfaces to a standard Audi head-unit (see the list) and emulates a 2nd CD-Changer. It also has a BlueTooth adapter that allows you to stream audio from your phone to it (A2DP?) as well as apparently acting as a hands-free car-kit.
I use TomTom Navigator on my HTC Kaiser and would like to know about how functional it is when used in this combination - i.e. Use Media Player or Audio Manager on the PDA to play music whilst running TomTom and also use it as a hands-free kit for the phone. I have verified that using the internal speaker you can play music and also use TomTom and the the instructions are just played over the music. I just don't want to get one and find out its cr4p.
I have asked the question on a couple of forums but not had any good responses yet. I have a 20% off voucher for eBay (as long as PayPal is used) so I can get £15 off the £75 which brings it down to £60. However £60 is still £60 and if it's rubbish......
Andy
looks good
I've got an Audi too. Here are a few pics of my iO Play setup which supports the handsfree and headset profies (HSF/HSP) as well as the stereo music and remote control profiles (A2DP/AVCRP). In all honesty though, this was a custom (ie non plug and play) setup. So I did do some custom wiring to get this to work. I think though, if you have an older non-Bose Audi, this might be plug and play.
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IO play looks good but is gonna be about £150
I like the look of xcarlink but it doesn't say much about its bluetooth operation
I want to keep using S2P as my preferred MP3 software because the cover flow is superb
Therfore I dont want to reorganise my folders as xcarlink suggests, but if the bluetooth A2DP works, I shouldn't have too
Can you take a punt on the xcarlink as you have the 20% voucher
I'm sure if it didnt work out, you could resell on ebay for the purchase price as you bought it for less money
ADB100 said:
I have been looking at these on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=160283183151
£75 and you get an MP3 player that interfaces to a standard Audi head-unit (see the list) and emulates a 2nd CD-Changer. It also has a BlueTooth adapter that allows you to stream audio from your phone to it (A2DP?) as well as apparently acting as a hands-free car-kit.
I use TomTom Navigator on my HTC Kaiser and would like to know about how functional it is when used in this combination - i.e. Use Media Player or Audio Manager on the PDA to play music whilst running TomTom and also use it as a hands-free kit for the phone. I have verified that using the internal speaker you can play music and also use TomTom and the the instructions are just played over the music. I just don't want to get one and find out its cr4p.
I have asked the question on a couple of forums but not had any good responses yet. I have a 20% off voucher for eBay (as long as PayPal is used) so I can get £15 off the £75 which brings it down to £60. However £60 is still £60 and if it's rubbish......
Andy
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I'm very tempted to try the xcarlink
Bluetooth Module?
As far as I can work out the Bluetooth module is an afterthought and is entirely external. The XCarLink doesn't actually have any Bluetooth intelligence as the module just plugs into the AUX port - like a 'dumb' MP3 player connected directly with a stereo jack plug (I assume there has been some minor modification to get power to the module though?).
I have been searching for a manual or installation guide and can't find anything useful. I am tempted to just get one with my 20% discount and see how it works - its still £60 though
If anyone has any experience with one of these or has any links I would be grateful.
Andy
bluetooth car audio
A good solution to hear your favorite songs and call your friends from your car ...
Clarion FB288/FB289 BT !!!
very simple : Radio, SD slot (2Go max), AUX in, and bluetooth A2DP...
installed last week...
Pompei1888 said:
A good solution to hear your favorite songs and call your friends from your car ...
Clarion FB288/FB289 BT !!!
very simple : Radio, SD slot (2Go max), AUX in, and bluetooth A2DP...
installed last week...
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I don't want the hassle of having to remove the front panel off a standard sized stereo evertime i leave the car
THe feedback for the xcarlink seems really good
If I had a 20% code, I would order now - any ideas where theses codes can be found
ADB100 said:
As far as I can work out the Bluetooth module is an afterthought and is entirely external. The XCarLink doesn't actually have any Bluetooth intelligence as the module just plugs into the AUX port - like a 'dumb' MP3 player connected directly with a stereo jack plug (I assume there has been some minor modification to get power to the module though?).
Andy
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It does appear to be a different unit than the non bluetooth version. It looks like a mini usb socket for the bluetooth module, while the non BT version has a 3.5mm headphone input
hays said:
It does appear to be a different unit than the non bluetooth version. It looks like a mini usb socket for the bluetooth module, while the non BT version has a 3.5mm headphone input
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Yes, thats what I thought. If you look at the cables that get supplied with it there is a mini-USB to 3.5 stereo audio jack as well. I assume they have just used the extra pins in the mini-USB (if that's indeed what it is?) to power the BT module.
Still not sure whether to get it or not
Andy
If I get one I will be happy to post a full review with some decent pictures and you tube vid
I'll let you know how well it works
I'm biting the bullet and getting one
Stand by for a full review when it arrives
Hays
I use one of these and would never consider living without it. It works fantastic with S2P and most other software I have.
AJ
ajbopp said:
I use one of these and would never consider living without it. It works fantastic with S2P and most other software I have.
AJ
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That looks good but suffers from the same issue (albeit opposite) as the XCarLink does emulating a CD Changer - i.e. if you are not listening to the radio (i.e. your BT kit) then you won't be notified that a call is coming in.
I have also bitten the bullet and ordered an XCarLink with BT, with my 20% discount I got it for £59.80 (unless customs hit me for any import duty....).
I'll post a review when I manage to get it fitted...
Andy
ADB100 said:
That looks good but suffers from the same issue (albeit opposite) as the XCarLink does emulating a CD Changer - i.e. if you are not listening to the radio (i.e. your BT kit) then you won't be notified that a call is coming in.
Andy
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On the other hand, if you are not listening to the radio via the BT kit, then you probably haven't got the phone currently paired with the device anyway, in which case you will be notified just like normal. Also, if you set the phone to vibrate you will always be notified that way regardless.
In my experience, this device doesn't "suffer" from anything.
AJ
ajbopp said:
On the other hand, if you are not listening to the radio via the BT kit, then you probably haven't got the phone currently paired with the device anyway, in which case you will be notified just like normal. Also, if you set the phone to vibrate you will always be notified that way regardless.
In my experience, this device doesn't "suffer" from anything.
AJ
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OK, but with a 'proper' car kit interfaced with the Phone input on the head unit you would be notified regardless of what you were listening to. In my experience if Led Zeppelin or AC-DC gets played on the radio station I am listening to I immediateley up the volume which will drown out the phone ringer. With either the XCarLink or the Motorola BT device you use there will be no interuption which there would be with a regular car kit like a Parrot dur to the way it interfaces with the HU.
In Manchester (UK) we now have a classic Rock station (Rock 106.1) and Led Zepellin and AC-DC are on quite often....
Andy
All received and almost there
I have the sound working via the line in socket
I'm struggling to get it talking to my phone
I've plugged the bluetooth module into the xcarlink (nothing else connected)
I pressed the button on the bluetooth module. Some beeps came through the stereo and a partnership was set up, however no music or phone calls
Any ideas - think it's likely to be a feature of wm6 than a fault with the xcarlink
hays said:
All received and almost there
I have the sound working via the line in socket
I'm struggling to get it talking to my phone
I've plugged the bluetooth module into the xcarlink (nothing else connected)
I pressed the button on the bluetooth module. Some beeps came through the stereo and a partnership was set up, however no music or phone calls
Any ideas - think it's likely to be a feature of wm6 than a fault with the xcarlink
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Replying to my own post...
I have to go to
Settings/Bluetooth then tap and hold the xcarlink device until the menu appears
Then select "set as wireless stereo"
Seems I have to do this each time. Which is a shame, but I know this is the XDA rather than the xcarlink. Does anyone know an automatic way ?
Perhaps a task for Mortscript - but that will be a whole learning curve
Acually, it may be the xcarlink that's your issue, I have some A2DP accessories that search for my phone as soon as they are turned on, and I have some that don't.
However, how is the xcarlink's A2DP sound quality? Do all AVCRP remote control commands work properly? Also, does it have any handsfree capabilities?
hays said:
Replying to my own post...
I have to go to
Settings/Bluetooth then tap and hold the xcarlink device until the menu appears
Then select "set as wireless stereo"
Seems I have to do this each time. Which is a shame, but I know this is the XDA rather than the xcarlink. Does anyone know an automatic way ?
Perhaps a task for Mortscript - but that will be a whole learning curve
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Others have probably figured this one out, but from my searches I found no other posts.
I am somewhat of an audiophile, and i wished to use the in-ear headphones which came with my Sony Ericsson Walkman W810i (old phone) to listen to music on my universal. unfortunately, these earphones have a 15cm cord, which won't even reach into my front pocket. To fix this issue, I decided to get a handsfree adaptor (why pay ~$5 for a plain old extension cord?). Mine cost ~4.50 AUD on ebay from hong kong, and was originally designed for an iPhone. Many people have assumed that these (plain 1 button + mic + headphones/headphone socket) iPhone headsets will work with the Universal. this is not the case. After pluggin this in with my wonderful sony heaphones I noticed taht the sound was tinny and sounded very washed out. I realised that this was because the ground pin and microphone pin on the universal are in opposite locations to those on the iPhone. The ground wire (feeding the power back from the headphones to the Universal) was going through the microphone first, and it's semi-conducting nature was screwing up the sound. Holding in the button (completely analog, just provides a fully conductive bridge on the mic channel) fixed the problem. So to fix this whole issue, I opened up the case of the headset adaptor (where the mic is) and swapped the wire from the headphone socket ground to the other side of the switch (which connects to the other wire (iPhone mic/Universal ground)) with my soldering iron. It took me only about 5 seconds of soldering and it was done. After snapping the case shut again, the headphones now provide excelent quality for my hardstyle beats.
I do have a question still though. On the iPhone (and Universal) the mic pin is grounded to provide a button click. This pauses and plays the music and answers phone calls on the iPhone, and a double click skips to the next song. Does this button answer phone calls on the Universal (I don't have a Universal headset and never have. I think it has a button, but correct me if I'm wrong). Is there any software/driver I can install to let this button pause/play and/or skip tracks in media player/pocket player? This would be very usefull software, and should be easy enough to write if anybody has the skill/desire to make this software (since the microphone is accessible to software, isn't it?). The signal should change from the mic having lots of resistance to having effectively none (showing a constantly high signal for microphone (not wave)). Maybe it could just be programed to run as a hardware button so that other software (such as voice command) can use it.
I'm unsure if this software exists already but I havn't found anything in searches.
Thanks for any help you can give regarding this software, and also happy modding to anybody looking to convert an iPhone headset, I hope this info helps.
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If the phone uses the headset button as the "green button" then maybe this software is still possible. Call Of Duty 2 for pocket pc uses the green and red buttons as game controlls, which doesn't change to the phone applications.
Blufires said:
Maybe it could just be programed to run as a hardware button so that other software (such as voice command) can use it.
I'm unsure if this software exists already but I havn't found anything in searches.
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HI the software exist but it didn't work that good for me well search in devs and hack section and you'll find it and it can only function with some other 3rd party music player not WM player..
and yes uni did come with wired headset with button in it just to answer the call nothing more and it might be because uni is old and had wm5 as original rom....
Cheers
Rajiv
ah that's what the button was for. I never could figure it out, it didn't seem to do anything!
on another note, I got a nice BT headset. Seems a bit agressive, but you could buy a cheap headset that has AVRCP (Audio/Video Remote Control Profile) and rip off the earbuds to be left with the remote control.. (then again I'm unsure if you're wired headphones would fight with A2DP on the BT headphones, and you may need a way around disabling that)
(or for less agressive, look up AVRCP on dev and hacking and see if anyone has another suggestion).
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on another note, I got a nice BT headset.
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hey jonny can you map a program in any key in your motos9 ????
I use my bluetooth headset and a long press gets me Voice Command, the only difficulty is working it with Pocket Player. I got it setup to work with Voice Command instead of Media Player which I don't use at all, but it only works for starting the music and getting your media selection (album/artist/genre or anything), but once you have your music playing there is no way to make another selection or advance to next or revert to previous. Still... not a bad going, I say.
enigma1nz said:
I use my bluetooth headset and a long press gets me Voice Command, the only difficulty is working it with Pocket Player. I got it setup to work with Voice Command instead of Media Player which I don't use at all, but it only works for starting the music and getting your media selection (album/artist/genre or anything), but once you have your music playing there is no way to make another selection or advance to next or revert to previous. Still... not a bad going, I say.
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thanx a lot dear... that was what i was after... i wanted music control + voice command to be operative from headset... thanx again for valuable information....
rajivshahi said:
hey jonny can you map a program in any key in your motos9 ????
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I haven't really tried... mostly because it does exactly what I want
I have hands-free-phone controls on one side (volume +/- and pick-up call/make call button, can be used with hands-free dialing etc), and media-player controls on the other (next/prev song, play/pause button) (nb, yes, other volume +/- control also controls music volume).
I don't see why not extra mapping if you really wanted it. Perhaps make search on AVRCP.
Hope this helps.
rajivshahi said:
thanx a lot dear... that was what i was after... i wanted music control + voice command to be operative from headset... thanx again for valuable information....
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Glad i could help.
However, if you don't want your music over bluetooth and prefer it playing over Uni's speakers, there is no problem using BT for commands, it's only becomes problematic when you send audio over BT. Starting programs and apps with Voice Command over BT works fine as well. Doesn't have to be A2DP either, a single mono BT headset works just as well.
enigma1nz said:
Glad i could help.
However, if you don't want your music over bluetooth and prefer it playing over Uni's speakers, there is no problem using BT for commands, it's only becomes problematic when you send audio over BT. Starting programs and apps with Voice Command over BT works fine as well. Doesn't have to be A2DP either, a single mono BT headset works just as well.
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Thanx . i want music... i'm just music freak and watch lots of video... but i also want be able to call my contacts, open programs without taking my uni out using voice Command so i just wanted to map Voice Command into one of buttons so i can leave my uni in my pocket... and for music purpose moto s9 seems to be irresistible...
rajivshahi said:
Thanx . i want music... i'm just music freak and watch lots of video... but i also want be able to call my contacts, open programs without taking my uni out using voice Command so i just wanted to map Voice Command into one of buttons so i can leave my uni in my pocket... and for music purpose moto s9 seems to be irresistible...
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Yep, you can definitely do all that. For me the primary purpose was to get the music going while my Uni is in my bag in the backseat, I just select 'Anything' and Voila!
Basically, a long press will get you a Voice Command prompt, no need to map anything specifically, and you say what it is that you want. I amuse my friends by asking my Uni all sorts of inane questions, like what time it is etc. The worst thing is when I don't have my BT on - the blasted thing reads all my txts and e-mails out loud. So people now send me all sorts of **** on purpose, just so that people around me look at me and my talking bag funny.
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Yep, you can definitely do all that. For me the primary purpose was to get the music going while my Uni is in my bag in the backseat, I just select 'Anything' and Voila!
Basically, a long press will get you a Voice Command prompt, no need to map anything specifically, and you say what it is that you want. I amuse my friends by asking my Uni all sorts of inane questions, like what time it is etc. The worst thing is when I don't have my BT on - the blasted thing reads all my txts and e-mails out loud. So people now send me all sorts of **** on purpose, just so that people around me look at me and my talking bag funny.
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Thanx for the lovely advice about the text part... so i should be more careful about the txt and to stop my bag from being a center of attraction .LOL
rajivshahi, just a thought. the S9's are great, but they don't have a microphone. so only really great for listening to music, or your sat-nav! but answering calls, the Uni must be seomwhere near your mouth!
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rajivshahi, just a thought. the S9's are great, but they don't have a microphone.
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Hey Jonny wait a second... i think moto s9 has built in mic... look at the following picture....
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Hey Jonny wait a second... i think moto s9 has built in mic... look at the following picture....
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rajivshahi, you're the man! Yes, I looked it up in my little book that came with the S9, and you're right. 6: microphone: used when placing or receiving a calls (embedded inside right ear housing)
I haven't tried a phone call on them/voice command. I will do so. Oh, this makes them my most wanted item... eh, what am I talking about, I own it
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I haven't tried a phone call on them/voice command. I will do so. Oh,
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ok can you tell me hows the sound quality of the mic... can the other party hear clearly... as its bit far from mouth and embedded inside ear bud.... and would love to know how smoothly voice command runs in it ...
Handsfree Headset Pinout
I'm making a car cradle for my Uni that uses usb charge, and a 3.5 mm splitter to plug into the car stereo and an ext mic. I have no idea how this will sound with no extra noise correction (I have very loud speakers and a crappy freebe test mic), but I was trying to find the pinouts for the headset jack. the first post in this thread is as close as I could find, and after cross referenceing the iphone headset, the pinout for the Uni is left (tip), right (next ring up), mic(3rd ring up), gnd (closest to the wire coming out). really I'm doing this post so I can find it later; once I confirm this info as true, I'll add it to the wiki with a nice little picture.
So I tried searching but I feel like this is a pretty specific item that I'm looking for so sifting through pages and pages of bluetooth headsets and separate car audio setups was frustrating me.
What I'm looking for is a small mic that I can mount near my sun visor that is wired to a bluetooth receiver that connects to the aux input in my car. This would allow my phone to connect via bluetooth and have a handsfree setup that would play through the car stereo without any wires to my phone and without using the phone speaker or mic. Can anybody tell me if such a system exists? I've been googling different terms trying to find things but the best things I can find are proprietary connections for stereos and I would like to stick with my OEM radio.
Thanks for the help, and I do apologize if I overlooked a topic discussing this.
This any help?
ptp.net.au/comfort_9060smart_ANZ.html
That is close to what I'm looking for but I can't find any that just hook in directly through a stereo aux cable, I don't want to have to hook into the back of my head unit. It looks like some of their products may possibly do this, but it seems like they are more complicated so the price is significantly higher. Still looking. Thanks for the help though.
There are a number of units out there that will transmit over FM frequency. This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but it will do the trick. Instead of running the cable to your Stereo AUX port, just tune your radio to the specific station and you'll hear the audio through you car speakers.
This is what I have:
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/t505/
It also has a loud speaker right in it so you can even use it without the FM radio if you desire. You press a button on the back and it'll search for an "open" FM channel and then it speaks the channel number for you to tune into.
Has the added benefit of allowing you to listen to music if you have it on your phone. Includes buttons on the side to allow you to change tracks backward and forward.
Dunno if your still in search for one but Scosche just came out with THIS. It also does Bluetooth Stereo which is a plus!
Hope this helps
I've been hunting for a solution as well (at least one that doesn't require me to buy a new headunit).
I'd love to get an fm transmitter or direct fm line input that supports a2dp with RDS, and has decent transmit power. The soundfly BT ultimate does most of this, but doesn't have RDS via bluetooth. It's a small detail, but it'd be cool to have. Any ideas?
I previously did a review on the Nokia BH-214 almost 2 years ago. Loved it & now I saw they have a newer version out: BH-221
First, some pictures compared to the 214 (white):
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A lot of what I loved about the 214 remains and what annoyed me about the 214 was resolved. Namely the clasp. The 214 was fixed, could never rotate. With the 221, the clasp rotates 360! One of the coolest new features of the 221 is NFC. You can power it on simply by holding the Nexus up to it! (I've not had much luck getting it connected via this method yet though.)
You can *STILL* use whatever earphones you prefer. The headphones plug in in the middle, opposite of the screen, not on the edge like previously. It charges via micro USB (same as Nexus) unlike the standard Nokia micro pin plug on the 214.
They've also added an OLED screen that will show you caller id, track names (if the device it's connected to supports it), and displays the FM channel it's tuned to. OH YEA! It has a built in FM tuner! If your phone was like the EVO, it used the ear phones plugged in for an antenna.
It also supports mutilpoint connectivity, allowing it to be simultaneously connected to two devices. To initiate a search for a phone, press the Start/End Call button for about a second. Same thing for a media device, except you press the Play/Pause. Here you can see it searching for a phone or music device:
I use it in the car as a hands free (via the Aux In) connected to my EVO (as a pure media device) and my Nexus for phone. Works great. The only aspect that I miss is that all notifications on the Nexus won't be heard because they're played over the media connection, not phone. Also, I believe the mic to be improved as I used to get complaints about echos when on a phone call while plugged into the stereo.
It took me about 30 minutes to figure out how to connect a 2nd device. It's not intuitive and the manual has NO INFORMATION on it at all. It required a lot of button holding after initiating a search. Hold the Prev/Next buttons simultaneously & options menu is scrollable via the Prev/Next buttons. The options are:
- Adjust Bass/Treble
- Connect 2nd Device
- Language
- Factory Reset
(NOTE: I didn't realize that the 214 could connect to multiple devices as well! I don't know how I decided to try, but it works essentially the same was as the 221. Press & hold the phone to connect to a phone device, Play/Pause for a media device. You don't get a screen to show the search, but it worked. I can connect to both my EVO & Nexus at the same time with no music apps running on my Nexus, but music playing on my EVO that I can hit next/prev & the songs change and take a phone call on the Nexus. Thought that was neat!)
One of the greatest things I loved about the 214 was the battery. It seemed to last longer than advertised. The 221 seems to last about what's advertised & seemingly shorter than the 214.
The other issue is price. I paid about ~$30 more than I paid for the 214. Another cool thing for the 221 is now it comes in 5 colors (White/Black/Blue/Green/Pink, but it's just the controls, the body is still black). The 214 comes in 2 (white or black, I believe maybe a blue too?). I bought it for about $75 at Expansys.
(NOTE: I haven't found a North America 221 for sale yet, they only have the EU version. You can tell by the plug, but Expansys included a US/EU plug adapter! I almost threw the box away my order came in & while verifying it was empty, I found the adapter! Works great.)
The volume is about the same, if not the 214 being a tad louder than the 221. The call clarity is as good as your phone & I've not had any complaints about noise or whatever from others when on a call.
I keep the 221 in the car because of it's better mic capabilities & the 214 (that used to stay in the car) now is around my neck full time again. Either make a great hands free/media interface for my car. The stock stereo was severely lacking & the 214/221 is a pretty good stop gap.
Thanks for your review. I purchased the 214 based on your review.
I've liked my 214. My issues have been connectivity - I'd say about 1/3rd of the time my key presses on the 214 are not registering with my phone. Do you notice any increased responsiveness with the 221?
If you haven't noticed any change there, I'm not sure I'll upgrade. I haven't found the need for a rotating clip. I also don't think I need two connections.
sparhawk6 said:
Thanks for your review. I purchased the 214 based on your review.
I've liked my 214. My issues have been connectivity - I'd say about 1/3rd of the time my key presses on the 214 are not registering with my phone. Do you notice any increased responsiveness with the 221?
If you haven't noticed any change there, I'm not sure I'll upgrade. I haven't found the need for a rotating clip. I also don't think I need two connections.
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I've not noticed the connectivity issues with my 214. Sometimes I do, right when I make the first connection, but it's usually pretty reliable.
As for the 221, I haven't noticed it either, other than when I power it on via NFC. I still have to hit the Send/End to get it to pair with Nexus, so it's not really saving much. I think as far as music is concerned, sometimes (with ether 214 or 221) it immediately fires up a music app by hitting Play/Pause, sometimes it doesn't.
As for a dual connection, the 214 supports it, which I didn't realize until having my EVO be the primary media device on the 214/221 (unchecking the "Connect to Phone" option under EVO's BT Settings) & making the Nexus the primary phone device (unchecking the "Connect to Media" option). Since I don't have any cell service on the EVO, I can't verify that it'd connect to the phone anyway, but I know I can get my Nexus to connect to both phone/media if the EVO BT isn't on or near.
audio clarity
how is the Bass and Audio Clarity? do you think it is good enough for gym?
Thanks for the review. It would be great if they put all these into a watch format with an extra speaker phone function.
Not so sure about the smart watch thing, but a Bluetooth headset in a watch format would be awesome.
Mindgrinder said:
how is the Bass and Audio Clarity? do you think it is good enough for gym?
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Subjective. It works for me & I'm using Shure SCL2 IEMs (professional level). Either the 214/221 is plenty loud enough with good sealing in ears. If you want to further it, you could use a FiiO E5 headphone amp. It's about the exact same size as the 214 & will boost the audio fine. I use one on my desktop or when traveling on a plane.
shinji21 said:
Thanks for the review. It would be great if they put all these into a watch format with an extra speaker phone function.
Not so sure about the smart watch thing, but a Bluetooth headset in a watch format would be awesome.
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I imagine you could just clip it to a wrist band or jogging arm band to get that.
One of the coolest aspects I've noticed lately of the 221 is how much easier it is to power on/off. Anyone with a 214 will tell you how hard it is to push that tiny button.
If your Galaxy Nexus has stock 4.0.4, can you please tell me whether it has a lag to play any sound other than the google music player and videos? MW600 is driving me nuts with this lag, I know it is 4.0.4 specific but I'm not sure if it is specific for the MW600 or if it affects other bluetooth headsets. The simplest way to test it is playing a game, audio lag is easily noticed while playing games...
P.s.: if you are listening to FM radio, is the phone audio still routed to the headset, and can you easily answer a call, or is it like MW600 where you need to manually switch the headset to the bluetooth mode and then answer the call?
LAYGO said:
Subjective. It works for me & I'm using Shure SCL2 IEMs (professional level). Either the 214/221 is plenty loud enough with good sealing in ears. If you want to further it, you could use a FiiO E5 headphone amp. It's about the exact same size as the 214 & will boost the audio fine. I use one on my desktop or when traveling on a plane.
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thanx, how good does it work with Lumia phones any idea?
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If your Galaxy Nexus has stock 4.0.4, can you please tell me whether it has a lag to play any sound other than the google music player and videos? MW600 is driving me nuts with this lag, I know it is 4.0.4 specific but I'm not sure if it is specific for the MW600 or if it affects other bluetooth headsets. The simplest way to test it is playing a game, audio lag is easily noticed while playing games...
P.s.: if you are listening to FM radio, is the phone audio still routed to the headset, and can you easily answer a call, or is it like MW600 where you need to manually switch the headset to the bluetooth mode and then answer the call?
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SGS2 A403 (Litening Rom) ... in game it totaly have lag - delay is about half the second ... I got big delay even in MX player but only sometimes ... mostly it was with the "standard" delay
there is FM mode and bt mode ... switched with one position button ... it will automatically switch to BT when calling
Im missing android app for that device to bind buttons and more (like display managment) maybe I will write it but it wont be soon ... nokia.com/support also missing that devices (only mono headsets)
maybe bug but voice recording uses phone mic to record ... the sophisticated app is really needed
when someone calling with "turn on/off" you answer the call
its small but have own weight ... the watch option is good idea
Hi Laygo,
I just bought this device from expansys, and it is working great with music player but I keep losing connection when it works as a headset for calls. If I am 1 meter away from the phone it will connect and disconnect every few seconds. The main reason I bought this was to use it for calls
My phone is an htc Titan. Have you even encountered this issue? Any way to fix it or shall I just return it to expansys?
Many thanks.
The only problem I have is with NFC: when I power it on via NFC, it won't actually connect. I have to hit the phone button for almost a second (until you hear the single beep), let go & then it connects. Once connected, I do not have ANY issues with media or phone. Works flawlessly.
Multipoint
So can I receive calls on both the devices I connect or only one device can be used to receive calls ??
I have the model bh-214 and a galaxy I9100.
When I connect it to the aux in the car who is calling me hears echo. Is there a solution? Has tried it in the car as bluethooth handsfree?
Thanks.
Well, after awhile, the screen on my 221 has not legible at all. It might have something to do with the Texas summers or not, but I rarely use the screen. It is needed to pair/configure, but I've not used it hardly at all.
Still connects flawlessly with both my Evo/Nexus with my Evo purely as Media & Nexus as Phone and/or Media (if I have the Evo off).
Hey,
I've been looking for a decent bluetooth stereo headset to use with my own earphones and I like the look of the Nokia BH-221 but I've got a couple of concerns maybe you can help with:
Low volume issue
I've read that some people are having issues with the device not pushing out enough volume, some suggest even with the stock earplugs. Apparently the issue is even worse with mid range impedance headphones like I'd planned to use (70 ohms). Anyone here having similar issue with this device?
Track ID
I've been looking at headsets with a display (this one, MW600 & MW1) as I want to be able to control my music and see track names on my commute without getting my phone out. I've read that Nokia didn't implement AVRCP 1.3, instead they've implemented v1.0 then done some black magic to make the track information work with certain handsets (mainly Nokia's). This seems like a bit of a deal breaker for me as I want a BT headset that's standards compliant so even if the track ID doesn't work on my Nexus 4 & Nexus 7 now, when stock android updates the BT profiles to support AVRCP 1.3+ then it should all start working. What are your experiences with the track ID support?
If the two points above are real problems with the device then I'll probably pick up a MW600 or MW1 as an alternative. I just think the Nokia BH-221 looks so much nicer!
Thanks
A word of warning: This bluetooth device has serious compatibility issues with the Lumia 920.
Read more: http://discussions.nokia.com/t5/Nokia-Lumia/L920-amp-BH-221-Playback-issues/m-p/1676684
Based on the reasons I mentioned above I went for the older device: MW600 - I'll post a youtube review once I've had a week or two with it.
jimmyff said:
Based on the reasons I mentioned above I went for the older device: MW600 - I'll post a youtube review once I've had a week or two with it.
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Send it back now!
The worst designed headset ever and the quality is dreadful.
I got one to replace my 7 year old Nokia BH - 500 and thought it would be great after reading some reviews.
How wrong i was!
Whoever designed it needs sacking.
When you want to turn volume up it never works but when you don't want to touch it you will.
It is infuriatingly bad.
Then there is the sound
I took it back and got an exchange because i thought it was broken.
But it wasn't as the new one was the same.
Anything over 3/4 volume distorts and it is not even loud anyway.
100% on that is like 50% on the Nokia for loudness and in a completely different league for quality.
To the OP in your review of the 214 you mention numerous times how Loud it is but then you have just said in this review you use something else to bump up the volume?
So.. Why would you need to if its so loud?
Ever tried Nokia BH-500?
Its great, quality and loudness are amazing (with different headphones but how does it compare to 214?
This site says it is brilliant, i have just ordered another BH-500 from Amazon and am now wondering if i should change?
http://www.gadgetnutz.com/2010/07/12/nokia-bh-214-review/
Edit, tested back 2 back with same songs and earphones and BH-500 is better.
LAYGO said:
Well, after awhile, the screen on my 221 has not legible at all. It might have something to do with the Texas summers or not, but I rarely use the screen. It is needed to pair/configure, but I've not used it hardly at all.
Still connects flawlessly with both my Evo/Nexus with my Evo purely as Media & Nexus as Phone and/or Media (if I have the Evo off).
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I have the same problem with my BH-221 in India. I just bought it yesterday. Did you find a solution for the brightness issue?
Hello all!
Edit: if you're not interested in the Story, and just want the solution, scroll to Chapter Four
This already has been quite the journey, in fact I went way deeper down this rabbit hole than I'd like to admit, so here is the story:
General info:
Car: Audi TT mk2, 2011, has Bose audio and hands free talking, previous stereo was the RNS-E
Headunit: Xtrons PB78ATTRP, PX5
So the problem was/is, the unit only outputs Sound in these apps:
-Radio, A2DP, Phone Calls, CD-Player, Music or Videos that are loaded onto the micro-SD
I contacted the Xtrons support, apart from being very unhelpful and not doing anything, I later got them to send me a new can bus-adapter (will come into play further down).
So because they weren't very helpful, and i really liked the unit, and with basically no alternatives (Xtrons units claim to be plug+play with the Bose systems, which no other manufacturer I came across claimed), I decided I'd try to hunt it down myself.
Chapter one: Updated the unit to the newest Xtrons firmware + MCU, that did nothing. Updated it to lots of different MCUs, didn't do anything either. Installed Hal9k, no change. Different MCU again, no change. Went on many searches on google, and found people with similar/same problems, but no solution. Then came across something entirely different ,but it gave me new ideas.
Chapter two: I reset the unit a few times, back to Xtrons, back to Hal9k, no change, then I came across the factory settings: you can access those in the car settings all the way down, then enter 126. Standard setting for the can bus profile was, I think, 23 AudiA3, A4. Changed it to anything different than that, and voila, sound now works like it should (although the Bose amp is now always on, when the stereo is on, giving out a little white noise). However, a new enemy emerged: now the steering wheel controls, of course, stopped working.
Chapter three: Tried many different settings in the factory-can bus settings, of course, no difference. At this point, I figured the only thing that could be wrong is either the can bus decoder box or the MCU. So I got that new box from Xtrons, and nothing changed. More internet search fopllowed: I found out some MCUs work across different manufacturers, Xtrons being "GS" for example. So I tried some different ones, and found my can bus box, being a "GS", wouldn't speak with those MCUs. At this point, I got sick of it and figured I'd learn to live without steering wheel controls.
Chapter four: a month or two after chapter three (Today), I figured why not give it another try. So I did another google research on people with can bus problems on PX5 and found this Thread.
So i did what he did, and: IT WORKS! (sort of) Now I have sound in all Apps, and working steering wheel controls. The amp is still constantly on and makes white noise when no music is playing, and i cant completely disable the can bus app, only force stop it, resulting in probably having to force stop it if it somehow starts itself or the unit reboots (if it only sleeps it's fine).
So now, I finally know where the dog was buried so to say, I guess to really fix this id need an update for that can bus-app, which probably Xtrons won't provide
I hope this helped everyone else with that problem, and I'd appreciate any ideas on how to proceed with that can bus-app
have a good one,
Hello, today is your lucky day
I have a 2010 audi ttrs and a Xtron TE706PL with Rom Hal9K ... and i have can bus original from Xtron.
The radio is a universal Xtron one, but i have buy the can bus from radio Xtron for TT Audi.
I have choose in factory the audi A3.
This is not the first android car that I ride.
I have put mcu modified GS, for better sound and it is better with the bass.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ent/mod-cs-x-mod-mtcd-e-mcu-firmware-t3816042
For the problem of the amp remaining simply connect the cable vag com and select "1 via remote wire", which will tin the amp with the +15 contact.
For the problem of noise parasite, just go down, with the vag com, the level of the amp, but you can if you want raise the level of the Xtron radio, I'm at -6db for the amp bose.
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5645132-Bose-aftermarket-HU-WARNING!
With the perfect Hal9k rom, you can change the function of the steeringweel control !
Math
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For the problem of the amp remaining simply connect the cable vag com and select "1 via remote wire", which will tin the amp with the +15 contact.
Best greetings
Pat
EverMath said:
Hello, today is your lucky day
I have a 2010 audi ttrs and a Xtron TE706PL with Rom Hal9K ... and i have can bus original from Xtron.
The radio is a universal Xtron one, but i have buy the can bus from radio Xtron for TT Audi.
I have choose in factory the audi A3.
This is not the first android car that I ride.
I have put mcu modified GS, for better sound and it is better with the bass.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...ent/mod-cs-x-mod-mtcd-e-mcu-firmware-t3816042
For the problem of the amp remaining simply connect the cable vag com and select "1 via remote wire", which will tin the amp with the +15 contact.
For the problem of noise parasite, just go down, with the vag com, the level of the amp, but you can if you want raise the level of the Xtron radio, I'm at -6db for the amp bose.
https://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5645132-Bose-aftermarket-HU-WARNING!
With the perfect Hal9k rom, you can change the function of the steeringweel control !
Math
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Hello,
By changing this option, the original bose amplifier will shut off when you turn off and take off the car key.
Math
https://picclick.fr/Vcds-vag-com-hex-can-189-français-dernière-génération-401741194415.html
Or go to your Audi dealer to change the options?