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First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.
This project is literally being reverse-engineered... so it's not exactly easy.
Plus, power management always seems to have some fancy proprietary features behind it to be truly robust, which will take a long time for this project to sort out.
It's one of those things that kinda kills a project as well - not that it's killed this project by any means, but it's one of those 800lb gorillas that everyone tries to ignore - mainly because of the difficulty that is inherent.
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First off let me say, you guys have done a great job in getting this project as far as it has. XDAndroid is great!
As much as I try to use it full time, the battery drain issue is a drag. If i'm lucky ill get about 6 hours with regular use (only keep gtalk and gmail running in the background) but alas this just isnt long enough in my hectic life, as my journeys into public are usually more than 6 hours.
So what are the chances of battery drain improvement? Is there any hope that it can be improved? Some fine tuning with the kernel and the drivers? Or is this as good as it gets?
Keep up the good work guys.
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I honestly believe the battery life could be improved. We're still at a rather incomplete stage, after all.. seeing as how we lack GPS, Camera, and complete Bluetooth support? I know there was work recently done to cleanup some low-level kernel parts which improved headset support. I'd say that it's not hopeless because if the G1 can run Android reasonably well, the HTC Touch Pro, Diamond, etc.. all could as well. That's just my take on it.
I didn't mean to imply it couldn't be improved - not by a long shot. Just that it is a mysterious piece in the puzzle.
It's not so cut-and-dry as say GPS - it works or it doesn't. Battery life, it's one of those fuzzy things that seems to be different for everyone. So I certainly hope (and feel) that it can be improved, just don't expect it to happen anytime soon.
i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.
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i hope to sell my fuze in the near future, April and buy a g1 yayy.
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Not sure how this applies to this thread... or why you would choose a G1 when there's so many better Android devices out there now. But that still doesn't explain why you posted in this thread.
Back to the thread, I'm hoping for some battery drain improvement... the camera, GPS, BT, etc would all be very nice, but I could use Android full time without them. It's exceedingly difficult to use Android full time with the battery in the state it's in.
I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.
i am sure the devs will find a solution to this..same goes to certain roms..some said the battery life is bad..but then,the devs managed to fix the battery issue,boom!back to normal..so,i think XDAndroid will improve..just give it some time though..
I'm being hopeful that they can, they've worked wonders before, so I'm sure its possible.
Hoping I get a job in this economic climate as well, then I can buy me a snapdragon powered android beast.
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I agree. While I do like the functionality in the state its in, it is not practical for me to use a phone o/s that can't last 6 hours with moderate use. I went back to winmo for the first time in a couple months and was reminded how much better it is at sipping battery life. I hope to use Android full time in the future once battery life gets a bit better.
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I agree with you totally. I wish I could use Android as a main OS but that's impossible. So many issues, so many bugs!
I would like to thank all the guys who've been working on this project, I guess I'll have a glance on it in several months to see the improvements
First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.
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First of all its really awesome to have Android running on Winmo.. Like all other users, im also experiencing the heavy battery drain while using android. One other i have noticed is the my fuze gets really heated up while using Android. Does anyone know why?
Lets hope the developers out there will be able to put together a decent xdandroid with gps and bluetooth anytime soon and will be able to fix the battery drain.
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I used to have insane heat issues when I first started running Android, but it's gotten much better for me.
Do you run wifi a lot? I know people were complaining about that heating up the device, which is kind of expected.
As far as the cause of the heat issue, I don't think anyone really *knows* why. There's a lot of issues, the main one being this is not exactly a "manufacturer-sanctioned" project - which means the devs working on this project are pretty much making educated guesses on everything. Power management has made great improvements, but still has some way to go.
I'm not sure if this project is ever going to become a "complete" replacement for WinMo, I sure hope that it one day is... but I'm not holding my breath.
With that said, I love the work the devs have done. I'm extremely impressed that the project has made it this far, so there really is no telling how far it can go or where it will end.
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There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different
Yeah I'd have to agree that the battery drain is what is probably going to be a deal killer for me. The work to make all of the features (pretty much) function is impressive to say the least. Right now I'm running the 3/31 Eclair build and the super light ROM on my Fuze just to boot to linux, but it looks like I'll have to make sure to employ a full WinMo ROM with the Gen.Y Dual Boot. Not sure if there are issues with having functions enabled in the WinMo settings when trying to use Android, but hopefully it won't be too bad switching between the two. I know with my Rhodium it was impossible to really keep two fully functional builds up and running without having to boot into WinMo, disable a whole bunch of stuff, then finally run Haret.
Hopefully now that most of the features have been solved, power management come a bit more to the forefront, but you can't really expect great strides in short periods of time there. It's gonna take a lot of work and as mentioned earlier, power management and efficiency is some of the hardest stuff to crack. But seeing what these guys have already accomplished, I have faith. Until then, it's back to my NRG roms.
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There is really only one thing I have to say.....I'm not going to dwell on the fact PEOPLE cant get the camera etc.....to work. That really to me doesn't really matter.
The thing that does get me and bother me.....Is the fact that the geniuses that work at/for XDA are so worried about every else to work for xdandroid......EXCEPT the battery....lmao. Now I can deal with not being able to use the camera or GPS or whatever the case may be, but if I have 5 hours to enjoy it twice a day.......WTF....lol.....
Now I'm not trying to piss anybody off because every developer here works hard at what they do...props to them. But come one you should really prioritize the things you fix.
In short if you have 5 hours to use something that is half way done compared to 2 days to use on something halfway done......Who in this forum would be WAY more excited....lol....be honest.
This is just a suggestion....and I'm not trying to piss anybody off....but come on.....think about it.....people wouldnt want their camera to work for 5 mins and then have to charge their phone jus to make a phone call...lol.
Congrats to all the developers on all the good work they have did so far. I know its hard work to do esspecially for free. But really good job guys. I know it must be hard. Cause my thing is computers so I know phones are in a whole different
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Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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But, should you work for Qualcomm or any of these companies... we wouldn't mind if some documentation did slip our way
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Whether you're trying to or not, this kind of post really does piss me off. You have no idea what you're talking about if you say that nobody is trying to squeeze more battery life out of these devices.
Try sitting in the IRC channel for a day and watching what everybody in there talks about. Probably more than half of it will be about battery life. We all know it's not great and we all know that users will want a full day out of it. Knowing about it and fixing it are two different things and it's just not easy. There is barely any documentation available about the hardware because it's Windows Mobile, closed-source and for vendors only.
Unless you can sneak into Qualcomm's offices, steal their documentation*, and are willing to dive into the hardware and reverse-engineer the tons of software yourself, stop complaining about it. Constructive criticism is fine. Most of your post is pure complaining and doesn't help anybody or make anybody feel better about their work.
The developers thank you for using and testing this stuff, and in the future if you come across any new breakage, please don't hesitate to report it in the XDANDROID thread. But please do so in a friendly manner. None of the developers want anything to be broken.
* - This post is not meant to encourage anybody to actually plunder any official documentation.
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I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.
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I do not understand why people attack XDAndroid for battery issues when I am sitting at 40% without plugging my phone in for 11h 13m and 33s(looking at it right now). I mean, the situation with the battery is a hell of a lot more better than what Windows Mobile has to offer. I'd be down to a slightly lower percent by this point. And honestly, 12 hours and no need to plug in my phone? That's like a miracle with the RAPH110 :S. The battery itself is too weak to really handle one whole day to begin with. I guess people forget to account for that, too.
In my opinion, I think some people are doing away with BT now that it works and possibly running a ton of items in the background. Which of course, would hinder battery. The only things I have running are the messaging app, google talk, SMS Backup, and yeah. Never do I find myself on Wifi.. I'm always on data. So yeah. The heat issues in Android have gone down, too. Gosh.. it makes me mad that some people are so thoughtless >_<. The battery situation was an issue back in January and February. Not March/April. People seriously need to wake up. Power Management as it stands now can get you through a whole work day without needing to be on charge. I think we should focus more on ironing out bugs, cleaning up code, and adding more functionality. Sorry for the wall of text.. :S It just makes me so angry. Grr. Haha.
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I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).
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I wish I was experiencing the same battery life that you are. Are you running the extended battery?
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Whichever battery comes with the Fuze, man . I just overclocked my phone to 633mhz today, so.. let's see how that goes.
I'm not experiencing near the drain with my Energy ROM 23554 with sense 2.5, which I'm running with the Gen.Y dualboot app. Truth is, the Fuze's battery sucks balls to begin with, and my battery is getting a bit on the old side, so of course both of the OS's drain more than I'd like, but even with BT and WiFi on all day on the WinMo, and disabled in Android, the life is significantly longer on the WinMo side. Unfortunately, I spend a decent amount of time on the phone while I'm commuting or driving, and I refuse to do it without bluetooth, so I have to run WinMo when I'm in the car.
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Huh.. I don't use the build with the Sense UI. Though, from my experience, Windows Mobile wiped my battery out in 8 hours of extensive texting, which is how I use my phone these days as well. :S.
Yesterday with WiFi and BT turned off, and all tasks killed with the task killer, I lost 50% of my battery in standby over about 3.5 hours, but I really haven't let it sleep in Android longer than that....
Thing is, I can't really make an educated comparison between standby battery consumption on the Android side vs WinMo. With all the apps and "new" stuff (this is my first good Android build on any phone), I'm constantly using the phone when it's in Android mode. It almost never gets to see standby time LOL.... However, while under normal load, the Android build does seem to me to be quite a bit thirstier.... The fact is, it's amazing we're even at the point we're at now, and we should be thankful that the power consumption is ONLY at the level it's at now. It could be much worse. These guys have done a killer job.
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I suggest lowering the brightness a bit and maybe the screen time out as well?
Any sort of complaining right now is done out of ignorance for how difficult these kinds of issues are to solve. This isn't an 8th grade Home Ec project (although sewing that pillow in the shape of an inline skate was pretty hard too).
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/me remembers cutting his finger while sewing his pillow in 7th grade
Haha, it's all good man. Maybe my battery is in better shape than yours. I would LOVE to have the extended battery, though.
I can never get the sense ui package to work! Either the touchscreen does not work or it stays at the boot screens and keeps going over and over with them!
Very very thankyou ppls for your hard work... i really appreciate the hard work of the devs.. but can some1 tell me that when the battery metter is fixing.....i only bought this to use android on it but due to unstable battery indcator i m not able to properly get the fun of android on this device.....seriously i have no intrest to use winmo..i liked the keyboard and read that its android compatiable so i bought it .... i know some ppls will say that go buy something else ..... all i need is battery fix and i think many of the ppls here will agree with me....well i for me i m w8ing more 15 days to see if the proper battery fix appears then i will continue it else i will go for Motorola Milestone...i m not saying that these ppls are not working .. all i m saying that all we need is a battery fix with Wifi
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honestly man, whats the point of this post? The devs know whats working and what isn't and I'm sure they're working on fixing and improving things. The fact that you can even boot up and run Android on a Windows Mobile phone shows the dedication and work they've put into this so far, its just a matter of work and time until everything is working, have faith and wait it out
dont be surprised if u start gettin some negative responses.
first off, the battery fix wrks great and is very accurate. there must b something u not doing right. i even posted my initial battery readings in the thread with this new build. actually the battery fix is almost dead accurate. i got 8+ hrs. outta of it yesterday. with overclock, with constant use. so nonoverclocked build will probaly bring even longer use.
second, wifi wrks perfectly.
third, why would u buy a device just to run a project build then if u wanted everything wrking? i understand the keyboard thing but unless u got ur device on a good ass deal, kind of silly to buy it just to run something not even fully completed yet. come on now.
Fourth, b4 u bought ur device, did u thoroughly read everything going on with this build or u just jumped in head first?
this is why so many people getting flamed cuz they dont do the research or homework. then come on here posting about why this or that isnt wrking. or what ASSUMPTIONS they have.
dont take this post the wrong way cuz this will probaly be one of the nicer posts towards u. lmfao juss way too many people jumping in and complaining when they wouldve already known the known issues with the build. which in ur case is incorrect. there has to be something u did wrong.
these are questions to ask self why batter fix and wifi not wrking for u.
Am i using the latest builds? Did i thoroughly follow instructions on installing it? Did i install the build with the battery fix in it? Did I break my battery fix by updating the zImage and modules?(which will break the battery fix). if thats not the case, then, Did i update the latest roofts and inirtd files? Did i even troubleshoot the problems b4 posting saying they dont wrk? lol
im not trying to sound like a dckhead..lmfao but im sure the developers would say the same thing basically.
they might have to implement what they doing on the other threads now. if u dont have a certain number of posts, then dont download and try out builds with doing the research first. a moderator stepped in and said that. cuz way too many people complaining about stuff thats already known or complaining about stuff that wrks but they didnt do it correctly.
food for thought, try the latest build. then DO NOT UPDATE THE ZIMAGE AND MODULES AFTERWARDS. only update the roofts and inirtd files.
if u need help getting it running right, let me know. ill be more thn happy to help or assist u, seriously. srry to sound cranky, just woke up n stressed about other things in life..lol
good luck
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... all i need is battery fix and i think many of the ppls here will agree with me....well i for me i m w8ing more 15 days to see if the proper battery fix appears then i will continue it else i will go for Motorola Milestone...i m not saying that these ppls are not working .. all i m saying that all we need is a battery fix with Wifi
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What the hell is the point of this post? Can we lock this thread, please?
@demandarin
1st i was prepaired for the negative response..
2nd... right now i m testing the new 2.2 froyo beta build as stock no overclocked no thing just extract to mc... and testing while calling / messing with it...very much stable rather then old builds :d.....very much stable /nice reponse / no battery warming(which i was worried of) / no force close atleast now.. / played assassin creed and many thing works preety nice.. wel right now i have'nt use wifi or data roaming /
3rd..well i got 2 options 1 was TP2 and 2nd was Motorola milestone ... well i dont like to milestone keyboard but i forgot that it was way slimmer then tp2 / also compatiable with new builds by defualt...well i was tp2 in local market then came to xda and saw the thread about android and just go for it.. as seeing the progress i thought that it will be fixed soon...now i cant tolarate windows-mo anymore just want to go to the android again asap...so i started this thread...
4th well i readed all the faqs / tips everything before buying tp2...like 50%
well its cool , its nice to get a proper postive feedback from a geek :d wel i will defenately ask for help from u if i came across with anything which i will not able to understand..
Thankyou
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What the hell is the point of this post? Can we lock this thread, please?
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the point of this post is to know about battery fix.. because i think its damaging the battery...because while turing on the android the led indicator turns on and battery start heating-up sorry dont sound to be rude but please if u cant help dont bother to post you will waste your time...
Would you all kindly stop being illiterate? English words are made of letters not numbers.
On topic, jamb, you could have dropped the silly threats (Imma buy another phone) and just asked the question.
Considering this phone wasn't intended to even run android..... and you bought it without clearly reading through and seeing what was working and what wasn't... yeah I can see peoples frustrations with your question.
Your best bet, as I'm sure you know, if you wanted a perfectly working andoid phone was to buy one that was designed for it OR at least play with someones touch pro 2 who has android running on it so you would know what to expect.
It's called development for a reason, its still on going and there is still a LOT of work to be done and no one knows time frames on this. It's like asking when we're going to mars (all be it that might be a very dramatic example)
Regarding the battery. As was discussed... there is a fix and if it isn't working for you then you aren't doing something right. It's accurate and thats all anyone can hope for. As far as becoming warm. Well it probably has something to do with what you are using on your phone. Internet, GPS, etc etc... all at once. overclocking it is a big culprit for the warmness of phones. The more you tax the phone the more it will become warm.
It wont 'ruin' your batter by using the phone... Just be patient and understand that these fixes could come out tomorrow or could never come! Just what it is.
Considering this phone wasn't intended to even run android..... and you bought it without clearly reading through and seeing what was working and what wasn't... yeah I can see peoples frustrations with your question.
Your title isn't so much directed at andoid as it is the people who spend hours and hours and hours developing a working version for our phone. So, yes it can be taken as being insulting, with that people are going to see this post and think "who is this guy?"
Your best bet, as I'm sure you know, if you wanted a perfectly working andoid phone was to buy one that was designed for it OR at least play with someones touch pro 2 who has android running on it so you would know what to expect.
It's called development for a reason, its still on going and there is still a LOT of work to be done and no one knows time frames on this. It's like asking when we're going to mars (all be it that might be a very dramatic example)
Regarding the battery. As was discussed... there is a fix and if it isn't working for you then you aren't doing something right. It's accurate and thats all anyone can hope for. As far as becoming warm. Well it probably has something to do with what you are using on your phone. Internet, GPS, etc etc... all at once. overclocking it is a big culprit for the warmness of phones. The more you tax the phone the more it will become warm.
It wont 'ruin' your batter by using the phone... Just be patient and understand that these fixes could come out tomorrow or could never come! Just what it is.
My battery meter seems to be working just dandy. I did a test yesterday and it was dead on. When in Android I looked at the battery meter and it was about 3/4 full. I opened spare parts and it was at 64%. I then rebooted the phone into WM (6.5, energy ROM) and opened tbattery and it was at 64%
I chared my phone to 100% yester afternoon around 5pm and after heavy use; 5 minutes twitter updates, constant facebook, automaticl gmail check, and non-stop text, I'm still sitting around 50%.
The work they are doing is awesome.
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Any battery meter needs to have several complete charge/recharge cycles to be completely accurate (charge phone to 100%, drain until it powers off by itself, repeat at least 3 times). So I would think Android on the TP2 is no different.
Anyway, if the OP got the message that the TP2 is "Andriod compatible", that that was the wrong impression, or at least an overstatement. This is an ongoing project. Given, one where some great folks are putting in tons of work and doing a wonderful job (and much appreciated). But its not perfect, and not the same as a phone which natively runs Android. If that was the OPs intent, then big mistake and he should have done more research before buying.
And its always been posted that the battery meter has issues. I don't know how he could puurchase a TP2 for android and didn't even read the 1st post of the thread.
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Anyone tried buying those larger batteries off ebay? I saw one that's lager but isn't larger in size where you'd need a new back case.
How much difference is 1800mAh compared to 1500mAh anyway? Another hour of life?
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Considering this phone wasn't intended to even run android..... and you bought it without clearly reading through and seeing what was working and what wasn't... yeah I can see peoples frustrations with your question.
Your best bet, as I'm sure you know, if you wanted a perfectly working andoid phone was to buy one that was designed for it OR at least play with someones touch pro 2 who has android running on it so you would know what to expect.
It's called development for a reason, its still on going and there is still a LOT of work to be done and no one knows time frames on this. It's like asking when we're going to mars (all be it that might be a very dramatic example)
Regarding the battery. As was discussed... there is a fix and if it isn't working for you then you aren't doing something right. It's accurate and thats all anyone can hope for. As far as becoming warm. Well it probably has something to do with what you are using on your phone. Internet, GPS, etc etc... all at once. overclocking it is a big culprit for the warmness of phones. The more you tax the phone the more it will become warm.
It wont 'ruin' your batter by using the phone... Just be patient and understand that these fixes could come out tomorrow or could never come! Just what it is.
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1st well i completely readed the faqs that which things was working and which r not ..when i was going to buy new fone i was damn excited that the great devs make it happen to run android on TP2 and because i liked the keyboard and android compatible i thought that battery fix will come soon ... i got no interest to use winmo ..now i m fedup with winmo and just want to switch to android completely thats y i just asked for the battery fix.i m not forcing them to make it for me..just asking
2nd well i got 2 options motorola milestone(totally android ) or htc tp2 .. i was not into motorola devices so readed about tp2 is compatible ..well in my country only 5 or 6% ppls use other brand otherwise the remaining ppls use nokia or samsung so i wasnt able to use tp2 before the only option i got was to use it personally .....
i know that many many works need to be done...
well i readed about the fix but it is working without wifi and as i said earlier , i know its sound mean but all i need is battery fix with wifi...well as for battery warming without internet , no gps , no overclocking , no nothing just used with its original files it was just lying on my table and when i put it into my pocket i can feel that the battery is warming up so i have to restart the fone to switch back to winmo...
Your best bet, as I'm sure you know, if you wanted a perfectly working andoid phone was to buy one that was designed for it OR at least play with someones touch pro 2 who has android running on it so you would know what to expect.
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well thankyou for ur help ... i really liked your suggestion so within 2 or 3 days i will switch to motorola asap....
Thankyou
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My battery meter seems to be working just dandy. I did a test yesterday and it was dead on. When in Android I looked at the battery meter and it was about 3/4 full. I opened spare parts and it was at 64%. I then rebooted the phone into WM (6.5, energy ROM) and opened tbattery and it was at 64%
I chared my phone to 100% yester afternoon around 5pm and after heavy use; 5 minutes twitter updates, constant facebook, automaticl gmail check, and non-stop text, I'm still sitting around 50%.
The work they are doing is awesome.
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i know they done an awesome job ... i simply love this forum...
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Any battery meter needs to have several complete charge/recharge cycles to be completely accurate (charge phone to 100%, drain until it powers off by itself, repeat at least 3 times). So I would think Android on the TP2 is no different.
Anyway, if the OP got the message that the TP2 is "Andriod compatible", that that was the wrong impression, or at least an overstatement. This is an ongoing project. Given, one where some great folks are putting in tons of work and doing a wonderful job (and much appreciated). But its not perfect, and not the same as a phone which natively runs Android. If that was the OPs intent, then big mistake and he should have done more research before buying.
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mate i already did these things like i charged the fone 100% in winmo then switched the android after using for a while like calling for 2 or 3 minutes and some txt msgs and fone pop-up opens of charging the device.. i know its not perfect .. i didnt asked for every fix and i do alot research before buying the device. i spend 2weeks searching about tp2 and android.... and for now all i can say is
I LOVE THIS FORUM AND THEIR HELPING PPLS
I LOVE THE DEVS HERE FOR THEIR AWESOME WORK
AND I M SWITCHING TO MOTOROLA MILESTONE(COMPLETELY ANDROID )because i was tired to use winmo...
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And its always been posted that the battery meter has issues. I don't know how he could puurchase a TP2 for android and didn't even read the 1st post of the thread.
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i know i know i know ...... i readed the faqs / complete post about .... i purchased the device just for its keyboard after blackberry 9700 i liked this device keyboard and android compatible i thought i going to be fun to use this device...Happy now???
Mods i got my answers and want to close this Thread
Thankyou
Might want to give this a read:
HTC Vision with Android, full QWERTY in the wild
Aaron McCarthy said:
Might want to give this a read:
HTC Vision with Android, full QWERTY in the wild
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thanks mate but its in rumors i think it will release Q4 2010 or Q2 2011... and i dont have that much time ... just fedup with this winmo....android is far far better then winmo
Wondering what's going on with peoples Evo lately... Mine stopped working for 3 hours then came back on.... I went to sleep this morning and left it on the USB charger...Woke up and noticed that my supersonic was off and went through the normal routine of trying to get it back on..(battery pull, tried booting into recovery, pulled SD card, tried different charger) all to no avail.... Get to the store and the tech tells me my battery is deformed (even told me to feel the buldge, which I did not feel). Their solution was for me to by a new battery...they wouldn't replace and im covered with the TEP....just as I was about to purchase the extended battery cause they didnt have the stock battery, I push the power button and my phone boots... Walked out the store baffled but the phone has been working ever since...
I been reading similar stories and my simple question is what the hell is going on...
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Wondering what's going on with peoples Evo lately... Mine stopped working for 3 hours then came back on.... I went to sleep this morning and left it on the USB charger...Woke up and noticed that my supersonic was off and went through the normal routine of trying to get it back on..(battery pull, tried booting into recovery, pulled SD card, tried different charger) all to no avail.... Get to the store and the tech tells me my battery is deformed (even told me to feel the buldge, which I did not feel). Their solution was for me to by a new battery...they wouldn't replace and im covered with the TEP....just as I was about to purchase the extended battery cause they didnt have the stock battery, I push the power button and my phone boots... Walked out the store baffled but the phone has been working ever since...
I been reading similar stories and my simple question is what the hell is going on...
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Probably something with the kernel, that seems to be the common denominator so far.
Almost all of us hack our phones in some way: rooting, flashing roms, flashing kernels, adding programs (like hulu, wireless tether), etc etc. Since our battery life sucks anyway, many of us charge our phones multiple times per day. Li-Ion batteries aren't exactly known for their stability. If you Google it, you'll find that they've been acting funny and blowing up for nearly a decade (the oldest news story I could find dated back to 2002).
Since we run our phones really hard, sometimes the battery bugs out for a little while, or dies completely. It was recently blamed on SBC kernels, but we're talking a very small percentage of users experiencing problems. However, it's the nature of the beast that sometimes the phone just has a mild heart attack and comas out for a bit. I would still replace the battery or at least take it easy on flashing things for a little while.
As our phone grows older, we have more and more options on what to do with it...and that's just super but over-flash too much and one line of code doesn't make it and boom, your phone doesn't turn on for 3 hours. Software is a fickle *****, so have fun but be cautious. Always check your logcats and battery monitors.
Thanks for this very logical explanation... Ordered new battery just in case....and will take heed to your recommendations..
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Almost all of us hack our phones in some way: rooting, flashing roms, flashing kernels, adding programs (like hulu, wireless tether), etc etc. Since our battery life sucks anyway, many of us charge our phones multiple times per day. Li-Ion batteries aren't exactly known for their stability. If you Google it, you'll find that they've been acting funny and blowing up for nearly a decade (the oldest news story I could find dated back to 2002).
Since we run our phones really hard, sometimes the battery bugs out for a little while, or dies completely. It was recently blamed on SBC kernels, but we're talking a very small percentage of users experiencing problems. However, it's the nature of the beast that sometimes the phone just has a mild heart attack and comas out for a bit. I would still replace the battery or at least take it easy on flashing things for a little while.
As our phone grows older, we have more and more options on what to do with it...and that's just super but over-flash too much and one line of code doesn't make it and boom, your phone doesn't turn on for 3 hours. Software is a fickle *****, so have fun but be cautious. Always check your logcats and battery monitors.
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Just saw you said your battery was deformed... yeah, that's why you don't use kernels with sbc. It's pretty stupid to honestly.
Check out a video on youtube of what they can do when overcharged.
And definitely get rid of that battery. That's not something you want to be using.
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Just saw you said your battery was deformed... yeah, that's why you don't use kernels with sbc. It's pretty stupid to honestly.
Check out a video on youtube of what they can do when overcharged.
And definitely get rid of that battery. That's not something you want to be using.
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lol do you search the website every hour for "SBC" and have to diss it every post lol, it's actually hilarious, i find it funny...
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lol do you search the website every hour for "SBC" and have to diss it every post lol, it's actually hilarious, i find it funny...
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He asked what was going on so I told him, I'm glad you are easily amused.
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He asked what was going on so I told him, I'm glad you are easily amused.
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maybe you should enlighten him that batteries aren't perfect nor are they any where near invincible, they come and go, just like cars, just like power supplies, just like anything. Relax with the NAZI, "SBC OMGGGGGGGG" that's all, it's every thread and it's all opinionated. And no, I'm not going to argue with 4.2 charge full dangerous 4.3 read this site, then dip your oreo while doing a kickflip, no, just relax with the opinions that's all...
Hi all,
I've an iphone 4s and a one x and I've been trying to decide which to keep. Everything was looking rosy for the HOX until the latest of the 1.29 updates was received.
My battery life was pretty exceptional before, I was getting to the end of the day with often 50% or more battery. Since the update the phone will run fine for a while, maybe half a day and then suddenly android OS will start munching the battery. It accounts for 50% of battery use and you could feel it was really hot. All apps are closed and the majority of syncing has been disabled. Anyone know why the latest sw would trigger this problem?
Other problem I have is being discussed on another thread, dropping signal and then not picking back up unless i refresh the network.
It's a real shame as I'd really warmed to the phone, why haven't they tested everything properly before release as they've ruined a quality product. I've been back in the 4s for the last week and unless anyone has any ideas, an as new one x is up for sale.
I can confirm great standby time though, with just wifi connected, receiving emails and the odd look at the lovely screen it is on 4 days and 48 mins on a single charge with 34% battery remaining
could be a rough app.
I've uninstalled most the apps and really can't be bothered to reset the phone and set it up again.
I'll stick with the iPhone, HTC is going on ebay this evening. So close but no cigar
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I've uninstalled most the apps and really can't be bothered to reset the phone and set it up again.
I'll stick with the iPhone, HTC is going on ebay this evening. So close but no cigar
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not to sound bad, but really stick to iOS and don't try again
i can always conclude its an impossibility for iUsers to make the switch
unless you are willing to get your hands dirty, Android will never replace your iOS
battery drain is clearly related to some app or widget going rogue, you can try to track it in manage apps and checking running apps and check your accounts settings if something is refreshing often
This is not a problem with HOX its a problem with your usage of HOX
until the next iPhone is released the One X rules it all
I don't mind a certain amount of tweaking to get something working and to be honest the one x was only a stop gap to keep me interested before the iPhone 5 is released so I would of ended back at IOS.
Its a shame as I love the feel of the one x and the size of the screen (although slightly too big to use safely one handed) is a masterpiece. I honestly would have kept it until October if it could find a signal properly and didn't have OS bugs. I believe the drain to be related to the latest update as it had been perfect on 1.28 and the first 1.29 and have changed nothing on it since the update and the drain started straight away. I mostly only use the popular apps and have uninstalled the majority and it hasn't solved the issue.
It's almost like the old windows thing of once it gets slow and buggy, the only fix it to restore back to factory settings.
Too bad i don't like iphone ( had 2) otherwise i would change it too.
Had Htc hero,Lg optimus 2x,Samsung galaxy s2 and now HOX.
Sold SGS2 thinking that HOX would be better but is not, at least for now.
Having problems with network too and it is annoying (call quality is ****)
Waiting for update from vodafone too see if gets better.
I came from an iphone, and its quite a shock coming to Android from it! Luckily i have the Transformer android tablet which prepeared me for it.
One thing i have noticed and what you dont want to do is that factory resets fix so many issues on Android. i always do one now after updates or wheneve its slow, yes its a pain in the backside (even cold booting fixes issues too before jumping in with the big reset)
If you're willing to spend a little extra time to work out the few little problems, the HOX will be a much better investment than the iPhone. I'd suggest you install some battery stats monitoring app to work out exactly what it is that's draining your phone.
Well I've done a reset on it. Luckily the music and vids etc have been kept which saves a little hassle. Just annoying getting it set back up the way I had it before.
I'm gonna give it one more go tomorrow and see how I get on. I've kind of lost the love I had for it now and see it as a bit of a pain but we'll see how I get on.
Why oh why is the speaker so quiet and on the back, can't be hard to match the 4s in this respect can it??
Any idea when this signal problem is going to be fixed?
Cheers,
Ryan
I'm just thinking from Windows perspective, considering MS can corrupt files if you pull out laptop battery before shutting down the windows. How about with Android? If I pull out a battery before shutting it down, will anything in N2 going to get corrupted?
Here is why I'm asking. For anybody with Zerolemon, you can probably relate to this. The battery is huge and TPU case is tight, so on one occasion when I was taking case off I pulled the battery out as well. And in general, while I'm switching between TPU case and Defender mod, if I pull out a battery in the middle of use without shutting down N2, would it cause a problem?
i've tried it when its annoys me
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I don't think so. I've done it countless times, but I switch ROMs so often that *maybe* the slight software defects go unnoticed. I think its fine though.
Just a guess here, but I would say yes to this an any other electronic device BUT.................we have come a long way in the IT field!! Most Servers (I said Servers, not cell phones?) have an internal battery that prevents (in a way?) this sort of thing. I can pull the plug, but its still several seconds before it actually shuts down (depending on WHAT was actually running when I pulled the plug.)
With that said, and after I thought about it, maybe not. just like letting your battery die? Phone will shut itself off automatically to save settings, so there maybe a little juice just for this?
Just a thought.
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I'm just thinking from Windows perspective, considering MS can corrupt files if you pull out laptop battery before shutting down the windows. How about with Android? If I pull out a battery before shutting it down, will anything in N2 going to get corrupted?
Here is why I'm asking. For anybody with Zerolemon, you can probably relate to this. The battery is huge and TPU case is tight, so on one occasion when I was taking case off I pulled the battery out as well. And in general, while I'm switching between TPU case and Defender mod, if I pull out a battery in the middle of use without shutting down N2, would it cause a problem?
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The answer to your question is "it depends." It's like running a stop light. Maybe it's OK, maybe it's disaster.
I've been using Android since 2009 and I DID have one incident pulling the battery. I needed to change batteries and powered down. I was in a rush so I pulled the battery before it was fully down. Big mistake. When I put the new battery in and powered up I was at the factory reset. I had to reinstall everything. Very bad.
On the other hand, I've removed the battery, either on purpose or accidentally, many times over the years and only that one time did I have a problem.
I've been pulling batteries for years with no ill effects... He'll that's how we fixed glitches on blackberry and htc devices.
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I do it all the time and never had a problem. Android is based on Linux which is in turn quite different from windows. You don't need to shut down Linux either. You can just pull the plug out while you're in the desktop and apart from the fact you'll loose any unsaved changes to your documents there will be no ill effects.
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I have been pulling my battery for years, even in the old Windows Mobile & PocketPC days. The only thing, I could think of, is to be careful about **(in my opinion) is if you had something writing some type binary file to the external SD card.
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I do it all the time and never had a problem. Android is based on Linux which is in turn quite different from windows. You don't need to shut down Linux either. You can just pull the plug out while you're in the desktop and apart from the fact you'll loose any unsaved changes to your documents there will be no ill effects.
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Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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No. I've been pulling batteries on over a dozen devices for years. Nothing will happen.
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John Kotches said:
Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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This is true.
I dropped my phone, my battery fell out,v and all my data from Simpson's tapped out got corrupted. Rare, but it can still happen.
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John Kotches said:
Then you're lucky. The file system is still open and can get corrupted.
That's not to say I haven't done that, but pulling the battery from a running system is my last resort, not my first choice.
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Listen to this guy!! I have been in IT since 1983, pulling the battery could cost you millions! ($1.8Million to be exact) The good side, I got 50 shares of stock to fly to Dallas and rebuild server! :good: Listen to John, last resort.
What I have found with Android, as stated, if you have something open, you lose it AND you sometimes get 1/2 way up (Android Guy), then have to use power button to shut it off, then power button to cut it on. Good Luck!
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No. I've been pulling batteries on over a dozen devices for years. Nothing will happen.
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In general that's the point of using a journaling file system, but it is not complete immunity from corruption.
Rare, but not impossible.
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John Kotches said:
In general that's the point of using a journaling file system, but it is not complete immunity from corruption.
Rare, but not impossible.
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I agree with you 100%, not completely an assurance with a product like Visions Solutions ODS/OMS or MIMIX for journaling BUT, worst case, both servers are in same Data Center and you lose power and generator does not kick in? Best case, you only lose last transaction, role swap to target, activate user IP on target, let users work, switch them back when ready on source system, let journaling catch up.............
I've don't that a few times I guess you can tell John? Oh, and if you work for a Casino company, that property is losing 'X' hundreds of thousand of dollars a minute because all machines automatically shut down and you have some a** reminding you of such every 15 seconds or so and how they have to give customers free food and drinks to keep them from leaving and you need to work faster !! I should have studied harder in college and been doctor or lawyer like my mother said?
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It amazes me when I give a common sense best practice coming from far more years of experience than I would care to admit to; then having it dismissed in an off hand fashion of "it hasn't happened to me yet, so it can't be a problem." It only takes one time.
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dsims:
It amazes me when I give a common sense best practice coming from far more years of experience than I would care to admit to; then having it dismissed in an off hand fashion of "it hasn't happened to me yet, so it can't be a problem." It only takes one time.
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Back on topic and to the OP, this guy (his name is John?) seem to know a few things. LISTEN to him!! You can pull that battery a million times successfully with no problem. It only takes ONCE and all hell breaks loose (like your in the middle of Android update or camera was open and you loose all you pictures?) there are other options, soft reset or ask someone here. You get an answer pretty fast.. ........
The only other thing I can add? Backup your phone often and move backup to your laptop, desktop, USB Drive.......Whatever. And if your into rooting and flashing ROM's, Titanium Backup is a must!! I think I paid like $9.00 but its a life saver!! I have mine auto set for 3AM Monday?,
Either way, good luck!
John,
Since we are all friends here, quick funny story. I worked for payroll processing company. we were doing new internet project and along the way, it never worked correctly. They hired this white boy (I will explain that later!) as president of some crap from M.I.T. and as I used to work for IBM, he wanted me. He had this bright idea to upgrade and do re-org on DB as same time. In planning this, I found IBM White Paper stating "Not to do this unless instructed by IBM Development?" I did not test this, I just showed idiot this paper? His thing was, "Don't worry about it, I will do it myself?" My thing to my direct manager..............I was told to leave him alone. I always knew DB2 and Orcale did not play nice. I know DB2, not Orcale, but I know they are not friends. Friday he did it, Saturday I was on my way to dallas!
Now said white boy as an a**! A A** to everyone around except me and another brother. He treated us like pets for some odd reason. BB (I use initials) leased a Lexus on company because he told him he was tired of putting mileage on his car? I got suite at hotel because I was working MAD hours and r.oom was killing me. One hand, I hated him. He dropped my bosses budget from $5Million to like $250K? but hey, he was hooking me up?
The VERY next Tuesday upon my return, he wanted to talk. Idiot had plan for Friday to again do this. My thing was, we need to bring in IBM Development. His thing was.,"I have 2 Masters from M.I.T, I don't need IBM!" I told my manager AND his boss at the same time (I'll never forget cause it seems like yesterday) "Don't call me this weekend and if you I will immediately resign!" Now me and my manager were like brothers, he** I loved him more then my actual brothers! We had travled the together, our families knew each other. He knew I was serious!
Friday I go to Happy Hour then Liquor Store for bottle of Remy' Martin and case of beer. 2:00AM I start to get hammered. 8:00AM doorbell rings, its my manager, he just tells me to read this! A note from CEO, fly to Dallas, fix AS400 (AS400? that funny cause they have changed Server name like 3 times since then?) and I will give you 50 shares of stock and anything Hardware Support needs? I'm drunk and tired and don't feel like packing crap. Manager says, I'll take you to PHL and go with you, we can get clothes in Dallas? Hum................
After my return, a few things changed!!! I personally had lunch with CEO (he was in another city, saw pictures, but never met him?) He told me this could never happen again. I told him I told his choice idiot, my manager, and 3 other VP's days before his planning, NOT to do it. He told me if I have any trouble out of idiot, call his cell phone and gave me his cell number. After him, idiot and I meet. What can we do to prevent this?
1. Don't do it again, bring in IBM. Done
2. The 11 guys in my department have been doing my work remotely and helping me on this internet project. They need new laptops. Thinkpads. 1.5GHz Duel Core with 2GB of memory (Hey, that was huge back then!) Done.
3. I have really been busting my a** from 7:30AM to 10:00PM 7 days a week. I really need some rest and get away. Additionally, I have no clue whats going on in my department............................I would have been fine with weekend in AC, 45 minute drive. Me, 11 people in my group including manger AND their family's flew to Disney. We had 2 hour meeting in conference room on Friday and partied like he** until Monday!!
Like you stated, it's one in a million pulling that battery, but if you get that once, there is a HUGE price attached!
Hope you all enjoyed my story!