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T-Mobile & HTC just ruined my day with the G2...
I hope HTC won't implement this on their future devices....(Desire HD &Z included)
Original Article:
http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
Code-Level Modifications to the G2
As pioneers in Android-powered mobile devices, T-Mobile and HTC strive to support innovation. The T-Mobile G2 is a powerful and highly customizable Android-powered smartphone, which customers can personalize and make their own, from the look of their home screen to adding their favorite applications and more.
The HTC software implementation on the G2 stores some components in read-only memory as a security measure to prevent key operating system software from becoming corrupted and rendering the device inoperable. There is a small subset of highly technical users who may want to modify and re-engineer their devices at the code level, known as "rooting," but a side effect of HTC's security measure is that these modifications are temporary and cannot be saved to permanent memory. As a result the original code is restored.
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(Pardon the title, should be "Root" not "Jailbreak")
I wouldn't worry about it... give the community some time and they'll figure it out. Its only a matter of time.
killawatts said:
I wouldn't worry about it... give the community some time and they'll figure it out. Its only a matter of time.
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I sincerely hope so...
I am pretty sure this was false... the NAND is write locked or something but is reporting that writing is occuring so this is all a misinterpretation of a bug.
con247 said:
I am pretty sure this was false... the NAND is write locked or something but is reporting that writing is occuring so this is all a misinterpretation of a bug.
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??
how can a "chip" acting as a TPM be a bug?
its just another way they are using to try and protect there devices, people prob said it about the desires nand protection, but look at us now, we smashed it
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
I hope that's what will happen...
the guys with T-Mobile G2s are having a helluva time trying to root their devices properly
xtcislove said:
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
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second android phone??
released in September 2010...
http://www.gsmarena.com/t_mobile_g2-3518.php
xtcislove said:
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
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You are clearly very confused!
The GSM Hero was branded the G2 Touch by T-Mobile in Europe, but was never picked up by T-Mobile in the US. So, T-Mobile US never had a G2, until now!
The G2 being referred to here, is the T-Mobile US G2, which is essentially the HTC Desire Z without HTC Sense.
Regards,
Dave
I can understand HTC's point in "protecting normal people from getting their device corrupted by a malicious apps" (e.g. "root"-apps, which **** around with /system) or similar. But I do not like them in not providing an easy way to remove the locks for those people, who know what they are doing.
System of a pWne!^ said:
I can understand HTC's point in "protecting normal people from getting their device corrupted by a malicious apps" (e.g. "root"-apps, which **** around with /system) or similar. But I do not like them in not providing an easy way to remove the locks for those people, who know what they are doing.
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i think htc are more intrested in protecting there software than the consumer, an unrootable phone also means no1 can dump the rom and port the software .....
foxmeister said:
The GSM Hero was branded the G2 Touch by T-Mobile in Europe, but was never picked up by T-Mobile in the US. So, T-Mobile US never had a G2, until now!
The G2 being referred to here, is the T-Mobile US G2, which is essentially the HTC Desire Z without HTC Sense.
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I wish this didn't happen...
AndroHero said:
i think htc are more intrested in protecting there software than the consumer, an unrootable phone also means no1 can dump the rom and port the software .....
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It's got nothing to do with protecting their software. It's about making the system harder to "break" to reduce the support burden, due to people and applications mucking around with the device.
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Dave
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
Sent from my LeeDrOID loaded Desire HD
It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
that's a good news!!!
fllash said:
It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
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Same here.
fllash said:
It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
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Same here. I was sold on the HTC Sensation but then heard that they locked it down like Fort Knox.
Going to the HTC event in Toronto on May 30th, see what the reps there have to say about this (probably nothing, but worth a try).
Great news indeed. Really hope they listen to their fans. As everyone else has said this will influence what phone I get next.
hope they will make the next nexus android phone ice-cream sandwiches
Sounds like something Motorola would say. Motorola actually said they would unlock the whole range ( carrier dependant) in late 2011 we'll have to see.
Did htc say they'd do anything like that? Hmm big load-a-stalling.
Desire is the source of all suffering.
wow probs to htc they listen to customers
Who would've thought...
Nice to hear these good news, last scepsis is gone looking forward to the Sensation! Great!
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fllash said:
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It will certainly give me more options if the policy changes.
Being rootable is paramount.
I have to see it first to believe it. In my opinion HTC does not listen to customers. Based on the past when they would release very buggy firmware (eg touch pro 2 and hd2) and did not solve it. Custom roms were the only thing that made the devices great.
So after 4 HTC devices, my next one will be the Galaxy S 2.
Also, we what are their motives for doing it in the first place?
-Operators who don't like tethering, so won't sell their devices when it's possible to root?
-Don't like it when new sense versions are being ported to old devices?
-Thinking that locking everything down will sell them more devices?
I really hope this is not a marketing trick.... I'd really like future HTC phones to have unlock bootloaders we all know (maybe HTC too) that the roms our chefs make are by far better than the stock ones
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I won't believe this till i see it.
Nice gesture, this facebook message. Lets hope they mean what the say in it.
The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
They do not want allow to flash an other rom on their devices
Htc Sense is great in my opinion, but I dont understand why they want force to use that..If really they will allow this, will be a great step for htc
andQlimax said:
The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
They do not want allow to flash an other rom on their devices
Htc Sense is great in my opinion, but I dont understand why they want force to use that..If really they will allow this, will be a great step for htc
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So you are saying that HTC is following the apple route? Don't forget that apple has allowed other OSes on their machines
We might be lucky
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andQlimax said:
The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
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Even though HTC's hardware is not always cutting edge, its generally well built and I like this.
I don't use HTC sense, but I would still buy a HTC handset if I could root it, just because I know what I am getting.
rootSU said:
Even though HTC's hardware is not always cutting edge, its generally well built and I like this.
I don't use HTC sense, but I would still buy a HTC handset if I could root it, just because I know what I am getting.
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If was not clear, I agree with you
I figure since it is a DEVELOPER center for HTC phones, it deserves to be in the Dev section! Anyway, OpenSense SDK, Kernel Source code, and unlock bootloaders soon to come!(hopefully for Inc2 as well...) Who is excited??
http://htcdev.com/
(EDIT) Please go to http://htcdev.com/contact and tell them to unlock all of the inc 2s that were "graced" with gingerbread...
Yay
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..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2
andybones said:
..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2
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But this is OFFICIAL...
andybones said:
..but we already have unlocked bootloaders for htc inc2
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Technically, yes. If you have an XTC clip or a Froyo phone (which are harder to get as every day goes by). So, in response to your statement I'd have to say yes, but not really.
From the way they've been explaining things it's going to be device specific, and our device hasn't been mentioned. It would be nice if all HTC devices were able to just be unlocked.
shoman24v said:
Technically, yes. If you have an XTC clip or a Froyo phone (which are harder to get as every day goes by). So, in response to your statement I'd have to say yes, but not really.
From the way they've been explaining things it's going to be device specific, and our device hasn't been mentioned. It would be nice if all HTC devices were able to just be unlocked.
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It would be extremely nice of HTC to do this for those that were not so quick to pick one of these amazing devices up as fast as some of us
Sent from my Incredible Sensation using XDA App
yea but you have to submit all this information. I'd get an XTC clip. all of them are unlimted now. and I'm sure raskal is going to continue to do his thing, I'd rather pay for a device that can s-off a numerous number of phones for a one time price. I'd rather not root than give my information and have them monitor to see if I am tethering and what not.
andybones said:
yea but you have to submit all this information. I'd get an XTC clip. all of them are unlimted now. and I'm sure raskal is going to continue to do his thing, I'd rather pay for a device that can s-off a numerous number of phones for a one time price. I'd rather not root than give my information and have them monitor to see if I am tethering and what not.
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Its would be a hard decision to choose free vs. private/unlimited (assuming that HTC releases it for Inc2...)
Just because you unlock your bootloader doesn't mean they are gonna be out there to see if you tether.
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Just because you unlock your bootloader doesn't mean they are gonna be out there to see if you tether.
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As long as Verizon doesn't extend their hand into this it may very well be a great thing.
Damn, I hope HTC will release the unlocked bootloader for Inc2, will save me $15! I'm wishing I didn't return my S-OFF'd Inc2 for a brand new Inc2 (other one was banged up badly). Anyone in LA/San Bernadino County want to meet up so I can S-OFF my phone? I'd be extremely great full, PM me if you're in either county!
HTC is asking us what we want from this site...
I would include the link, but cannot post a link yet... but goto htcdev.com/contact
... you think we can make our presence known and that we want our Inc2 unlocked!
Well they said the Evo3d and the Sensation, but I see a picture of the desire s, hopefully this will be for all HTC devices.
bevelmatt said:
HTC is asking us what we want from this site...
I would include the link, but cannot post a link yet... but goto htcdev.com/contact
... you think we can make our presence known and that we want our Inc2 unlocked!
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Inserted to the OP
Sent from my Incredible Sensation using XDA App
Edit: its been reported that at&t is indeed blocking the unlock for their version of this device.
The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
EDIT: Willyami found this, I'm happy to hear temp-root is already achieved. Yet the article still states we need bootloader unlock or S OFF for perm root...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.
slapshot30 said:
The release of the One X has us all very excited, and there is much reason to be excited. Yet, I feel like many people don't really understand some of the issues we may be up against. Let's take into account some recent HTC phones that came out. Let's look at the Vivid and Rezound. Both of these devices did not have the option to unlock the bootloader until months after. In fact, HTC was not even planning on talking about releasing the unlock until 6 months or later after initial release of the device. We started petitions, spammed the twitters and facebooks of AT&T/Verizon and HTC. It was amazing how each just blamed eachother for the locked bootloaders. Keep in mind this was AFTER the CEO of HTC promised no more locked bootloaders. Samsung does not ship locked bootloaders either. After a few months of begging and pleading, we eventually got official HTC dev unlock. But by that time, most the devs and community were gone.
We had a few teams working very hard on cracking the Vivid/Rezound but to no avail. Apparently HTC upped their game compared to past devices, and to this day we still don't even have unofficial bootloader unlock, s off, sim unlock, etc. On AT&T, the Vivid was one of the best spec'd devices, if not the best, out at the time. Yet, due to the actions of HTC/AT&T, the development was absolutely screwed. At this point in time we have only three or four devs with ROMs, no doubt we would have had tons more if not for the locked bootloader issues.
We need to talk with HTC before the release of this device to make sure the One X doesn't get screwed as bad as the Vivid did. You guys don't know how much it sucks to wait months and months to even put a custom ROM on your phone. We need to hold HTC to their promise. Sure, we can rely on unofficial methods, but then there's always that "what if" factor if nothing happens there.
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Absolutely agree with you dude. As a result of so few devs over there, I still haven't unlocked and rooted my Vivid.
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i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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Yeah, maybe for you. But this is a development site. we're here to develop and make the device as badass as possible. The phone will be enjoyed for sure. but enjoyed more with it rooted Running a CoreDroid Rom
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
williamyi said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/08/htc-one-x-gets-rooted-before-retail-debut/
The One X is already rooted by Modaco. So I do believe this wont be such a problem to One X.
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Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
uranis said:
i think people need to enjoy the phone a bit more, than thinking about custom roms and such. That's certainly not why im buying the phone, nor is it in the discussion. Maybe months or a year i would be open to it, but right now i can see myself enjoying it stock. Especially with ICS on board.
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lol easier to talk the talk than walk the walk. I had the same mindset you did, but two/three months of the same old thing and same old sense really sucked. Try it if you don't believe me.
420kushking said:
I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.
Unfortunately, that is only temp root. It is not a permanent root solution. This link is the exact method described in the article and its from this forums dev section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1562470
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uranis said:
Yea it's your choice, but the phone isn't even out yet. I just don't understand buying a phone because of what rom you could possibly get on it. Just my opinion.
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A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.
420kushking said:
I think a majority of the people here would agree, the ability to customize your phone beyond what the manufacturer intended is your right as a consumer....you bought the phone...right.... also I might add, a majority of the people on this website are here for rooting information and custom roms.... it is after all, a development based forum. I think this thread should be closed though, because its been noted above that the one x has been rooted.
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That's temp root, not perm root. The article states we still need S OFF or htcdev unlock for perm root.
slapshot30 said:
A HUGE factor that goes into what phone I buy is how big the potential is for development. I think that's a pretty common thing to look for for most XDA'ers.
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Yeah that's what I look for. I was lucky for getting a captivate a while back, it was my first android device and I loved doing the customization. I'll be happy with this phone but I'm really looking forward to the development.
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Damn, nice find. I still wonder how HTC will do with the official unlock though. They are really laggy when it comes to releasing code too.
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HTC have already released the source code to the Sensation ICS kernel, and it's not even properly rolled out yet. Doesn't seem laggy to me
Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...
Another pro argument might be that this will be a real flagship device. As we all know, htc released much too many phones in 2011 (close to 50 I heard in an xda-tv episode ) and they realized the problems that come with such an approach.
The vivid or the rezound might just have been skipped by most devs, some of the better are even still on the 2 year old HD2.
I really hope that this will be the next HD2, it's got all the potential to be the next best phone ever.
I believe that HTC are changing and learning. If you see the communications between them and XDA over the last year, if you see the HTCDev site, if you see the list of ICS updates, if you see the API's they are releasing, etc.
If you look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCXgL7MDsIc Jeff clearly says it will be unlocked.
Also I agree with their reasoning for locking the boot loader, and as long as they release the unlock tool I think its a good process to ensure only those who know and accept the consequences will use it.
PS. Also the HTC One X is not tied to a partner so it should give HTC full control of what they do with it. Were as the HTC One XL is tied to AT&T so it may mean for that device its more complicated a process to get AT&T to agree to unlock the boot loader.
The "One" series must have been made for something, didn't they say they are trying to make their phones more recognisable too? In that case, it makes perfect sense to not release 50 phones a year (or one every week), as that really tarnishes the brand
i've never unlocked a phone on htcdev, but it has a generic unlock option.
you have to submit an identifier token you can query with fastboot, and you are getting a unlock binary sent by email which you can flash with fastboot to unlock the phone. if the hboot of the phone supports this.
seems very generic to me, and i guess you can already unlock a htc-one device using this method
Edit: Ops! I am wrong... please see later posts! Sorry blubbers!
vegetaleb said:
Calm down dude!
HTC learned the hard lesson of Sensation/sgs2.
They losed 3 months of potential buyers (and that made the whole difference in sales volume) because they locked the bootloader.
sgs2 won because it was unlocked and rooted easily.
The HTC One X is already rooted thanks to Modaco, so no need to worry at all, also Mike did a custom rom already,there are many Sensation devs switching to One X...
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A custom rom means nothing. Did you even read the article or my post?? It says you still need s off or bootloader unlock for permanent root. Modaco only found temp root.
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Hey guys,
Just Overall, do you think htc devices will continue to have an unlocked bootloader? Because I'm thinking about getting an htc device but I got a s4 and it's bootloader got locked down pretty much instantly :/
Raymondlikesroot said:
Just Overall, do you think htc devices will continue to have an unlocked bootloader?
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Probably.
Many people buy these phones because the boot loader can be unlocked and HTC know this. I doubt they'd jeopardise sales by locking it down. I would not buy any device that is locked down or proprietary, one reason I will never ever own an apple device.
You see htc and nexus devices have future but samsung,lg etc doesnot.Because there are alot of custom roms available for htc devices,there development is awesome but ssamsung etc doesnot have that strong development.I have seen htc's development from incredible days.
Raymondlikesroot said:
Hey guys,
Just Overall, do you think htc devices will continue to have an unlocked bootloader? Because I'm thinking about getting an htc device but I got a s4 and it's bootloader got locked down pretty much instantly :/
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At some point they will lock them down & if you want it unlocked, it will be a dev or GPe model only. To say that they will keep them unlockable because they sell a lot for that reason, well, that's just not true. Probably less than 1% of TOTAL users ever unlock their bootloader, or even root their devices. Given HTC's marketshare, if everyone that unlocked their HTC bootloader, stopped buying HTC devices, that would be probably less than 0.05% of the market, probably much less. Meanwhile there are corporations, organizations & government bodies that want more secure devices, that also buy more devices than all the bootloader unlockers combined.