T-Mobile & HTC just ruined my day with the G2...
I hope HTC won't implement this on their future devices....(Desire HD &Z included)
Original Article:
http://gizmodo.com/5656921/t+mobiles-g2-rootkit-will-reinstall-stock-android-after-a-jailbreak
Code-Level Modifications to the G2
As pioneers in Android-powered mobile devices, T-Mobile and HTC strive to support innovation. The T-Mobile G2 is a powerful and highly customizable Android-powered smartphone, which customers can personalize and make their own, from the look of their home screen to adding their favorite applications and more.
The HTC software implementation on the G2 stores some components in read-only memory as a security measure to prevent key operating system software from becoming corrupted and rendering the device inoperable. There is a small subset of highly technical users who may want to modify and re-engineer their devices at the code level, known as "rooting," but a side effect of HTC's security measure is that these modifications are temporary and cannot be saved to permanent memory. As a result the original code is restored.
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(Pardon the title, should be "Root" not "Jailbreak")
I wouldn't worry about it... give the community some time and they'll figure it out. Its only a matter of time.
killawatts said:
I wouldn't worry about it... give the community some time and they'll figure it out. Its only a matter of time.
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I sincerely hope so...
I am pretty sure this was false... the NAND is write locked or something but is reporting that writing is occuring so this is all a misinterpretation of a bug.
con247 said:
I am pretty sure this was false... the NAND is write locked or something but is reporting that writing is occuring so this is all a misinterpretation of a bug.
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??
how can a "chip" acting as a TPM be a bug?
its just another way they are using to try and protect there devices, people prob said it about the desires nand protection, but look at us now, we smashed it
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
I hope that's what will happen...
the guys with T-Mobile G2s are having a helluva time trying to root their devices properly
xtcislove said:
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
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second android phone??
released in September 2010...
http://www.gsmarena.com/t_mobile_g2-3518.php
xtcislove said:
U talk about the G2? This has an Engeneering SPL and was the second Android Phone ever.... Old News?
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You are clearly very confused!
The GSM Hero was branded the G2 Touch by T-Mobile in Europe, but was never picked up by T-Mobile in the US. So, T-Mobile US never had a G2, until now!
The G2 being referred to here, is the T-Mobile US G2, which is essentially the HTC Desire Z without HTC Sense.
Regards,
Dave
I can understand HTC's point in "protecting normal people from getting their device corrupted by a malicious apps" (e.g. "root"-apps, which **** around with /system) or similar. But I do not like them in not providing an easy way to remove the locks for those people, who know what they are doing.
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I can understand HTC's point in "protecting normal people from getting their device corrupted by a malicious apps" (e.g. "root"-apps, which **** around with /system) or similar. But I do not like them in not providing an easy way to remove the locks for those people, who know what they are doing.
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i think htc are more intrested in protecting there software than the consumer, an unrootable phone also means no1 can dump the rom and port the software .....
foxmeister said:
The GSM Hero was branded the G2 Touch by T-Mobile in Europe, but was never picked up by T-Mobile in the US. So, T-Mobile US never had a G2, until now!
The G2 being referred to here, is the T-Mobile US G2, which is essentially the HTC Desire Z without HTC Sense.
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I wish this didn't happen...
AndroHero said:
i think htc are more intrested in protecting there software than the consumer, an unrootable phone also means no1 can dump the rom and port the software .....
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It's got nothing to do with protecting their software. It's about making the system harder to "break" to reduce the support burden, due to people and applications mucking around with the device.
Regards,
Dave
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Hey all, is there any news on the rooting of the Hero yet? Im anxiously waiting for the Hero to be released on T-Mobile, only another week or 2 left
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Hey all, is there any news on the rooting of the Hero yet? Im anxiously waiting for the Hero to be released on T-Mobile, only another week or 2 left
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What is this rooting? I hear so much about it, but not really known what it is.
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Hey all, is there any news on the rooting of the Hero yet? Im anxiously waiting for the Hero to be released on T-Mobile, only another week or 2 left
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T-Mobile USA?
Not getting it that I'm aware of. They just release a statement on it.
nicelad_uk said:
What is this rooting? I hear so much about it, but not really known what it is.
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Rooting is gaining super user access to you phone (or system OS really)
The general concept of a root is a suer with no restrictions, able to modify files, complete certain commands, and in the case of the Dream(G1) and Magic(MYtouch), allows a user to overclock thier phones
it basically means that you can run jailbroken apps and such and gain access to features like tethering and multi touch
Per default Android limits certain access to hardware on the phone for programmers / app makers.
'root'ing means that the whole android experience on your phone is running as 'the administrator who can do everything'. So now applications have access to the SD cards for example, or read the SMS database, and access the power management and processor for tweaks. That kind of thing.
'root'ing is needed for a lot of 'tweak' apps, but also for running custom ROMs I believe.
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T-Mobile USA?
Not getting it that I'm aware of. They just release a statement on it.
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T-Mobile UK mate, Im very anxiously waiting
I just ordered mine... see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539606
No word on rooting, but a lot of the reasons for rooting on previous android devices are solved on Hero
Bigger space on device for Apps
Tethering ability built in
Ability to clear Market Cache
Ability to clear Browser Cache
It actually has a hero ROM on it already (LOL)
Dayzee said:
I just ordered mine... see this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=539606
No word on rooting, but a lot of the reasons for rooting on previous android devices are solved on Hero
Bigger space on device for Apps
Tethering ability built in
Ability to clear Market Cache
Ability to clear Browser Cache
It actually has a hero ROM on it already (LOL)
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Well im sure it will be here in a couple of months . Ill be ordering mine later, I get 50% off cause I work there so I cant complain lol,
Hi, check out my thread for information about root on Hero (done on Orange UK).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541522
danchappers said:
Well im sure it will be here in a couple of months . Ill be ordering mine later, I get 50% off cause I work there so I cant complain lol,
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Nice! Sell me One at a discounted price then!
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T-Mobile UK mate, Im very anxiously waiting
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My mistake. I wasnt aware that it was coming to T-mobile at all
I don't even know if this is the right section, but I bought this cellphone from a chinese website
ht*tp://ww*w.eemobi.cn/product/detail-1-2521-8583.aspx
Should it work if I try flashing on it the official htc hero rom? or any of these other rooms here (VillainROM)??
You "hero" is not a real htc hero. it is a fake one. Obviously you can not flash any rom,including android rom. It is called "山寨机" in Chinese.
heaver said:
I don't even know if this is the right section, but I bought this cellphone from a chinese website
ht*tp://ww*w.eemobi.cn/product/detail-1-2521-8583.aspx
Should it work if I try flashing on it the official htc hero rom? or any of these other rooms here (VillainROM)??
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I somewhat doubt it... the hardware would need to be literally identical, and the partitioning of the device would need to be identical. And can you be sure the seller hasn't misled you with the specs?
Tbh. I can't see it working, and I think you'll brick your phone if you try, since you may not have all the recovery tools the hero has.
So no, and I wouldn't try it. Don't think you'll even find a way to flash it
fake or not, it has different hardware (chipset) inside and has a different SPL, so flashing one of these ROMs is never going to work, and might even brick the device permanently.
as from the webby i see is a winmo hero -.-" u may try winmo section on dual boot lol...
edit: reported to HTC hope they will do something to it to prevent us, supporter from buying fake HTC product.
i just saw...its 128ram/256rom...so i guess wont rly work with android...i think ill stick with winmo6.5....and btw is there a super lite version of 6.5? i looked but couldnt find any
Ouch ... I hope you read the fine print before buying your "hero" ..
I can guarantee that flashing one of these ROMs as is will brick your "hero".. It may be possible to get android on it .. but it wont be easy unless someone else has already done the hard work!
i gotta say...
those phones you bought are not even identical to real HTC Hero.
it might be based on MTK chips, which have different mechanism as the normal Heroes, and their system were written in a totally different way as the HTC one, they just implement a similar interface to the Hero one..
Why do people buy that crap?
coz they took his job...
hkkla said:
Why do people buy that crap?
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Why you ask?!?
It's obvious:
What do you think of it? So many words may not impress you, then just take it on hand and enjoy it yourself!
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Hi @ all
I know it wont be a 100% reliable news but I thought it would interest some of you.
A friend of mine ordered a HTC Desire at Sunrise (Swiss Operator). She was told that the delivery will be postponed to the beginning of August due to the fact that the device will be delivered with version 2.2 of Android aka Froyo.
That would mean that we could possibly get the official Froyo by the end of July for unbranded devices.
Hope the staff at Sunrise is reliable and the info is right!!!
We will know more in about one month.
Sorry if the news has already been posted before.
Sinerely,
Ascenca
Interesting
Well, HTC Customer Service reps got the date wrong for this. So I doubt that a network service provider rep has that much information.
I have a feeling your friend couldn't get a Desire because of the same problem that the Droid Incredible is facing. HTC has a shortage of AMOLED screens.
See here. http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/veri...le-shortage-due-to-amoled-production-shortage
Also, see here for a (probably) more realistic time table direct from HTC PR guy. http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-says-expect-froyo-version-sense-ui-christmas
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Well, HTC Customer Service reps got the date wrong for this. So I doubt that a network service provider rep has that much information.
I have a feeling your friend couldn't get a Desire because of the same problem that the Droid Incredible is facing. HTC has a shortage of AMOLED screens.
See here. http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/veri...le-shortage-due-to-amoled-production-shortage
Also, see here for a (probably) more realistic time table direct from HTC PR guy. http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-says-expect-froyo-version-sense-ui-christmas
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Thanks für your reply.
I am aware of the shortage of AMOLED displays and the recent PR statement of HTC. I dont pretend my info is right, only wanted to share what I heard. Nevertheless I think August could be possible. The PR guy said that all newer devices (Desire, Legend, etc.) will get Froyo by Christmas. The HTC Desire being their top end device at the moment in Europe I assume it will get the update first. And I am quite sure that they wont provide the update to all devices at the same time. So lets hope for it to be true .
Ascenca
ohyeahar said:
Also, see here for a (probably) more realistic time table direct from HTC PR guy. http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-says-expect-froyo-version-sense-ui-christmas
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There's no timetable there at all - it just says that they'll be finished with Froyo updates before Xmas. Well, August is before Xmas, as is September, October, November and most of December!
What we do know is that HTC have gone on record to say that they are expecting the first updates to roll out in Q3, but we don't know which devices will get it first.
Regards,
Dave
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/06/htc-to-complete-android-2-2-roll-out-by-christmas/
Lets hope it's true and the Desire gets 2.2 in August before the other phones, but i must admit that 2.1 is great and i have no issues with it so am happy to wait whenever it comes out.
It takes time to port all of our applications over to Froyo and then make sure that it is running well on each of our devices. That’s not like a one week kind of project. We need to make sure that our applications are taking advantage of the Froyo features. To make sure that they’re all running properly on the OS now that it’s a new version. And then to make sure that it’s running on our hardware as well as we expect. I would believe that we would be done with our Froyo updates before Christmas.
This was an intervjue with Eric Lin HTC PR dude
Source http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/34139/htc-froyo-update-delays-explained
That's no good. I'm going on holidays at the beginning of August lol
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
It seems alot of the replies in this thread don't take into account the fact that a HTC 2.2 test rom with sense has already been leaked to certain people and was mostly working. So HTC are pretty far along in development already.
Yes i know about that rom. Thats why i think its strange that HTC PR guy talks about crhistmas?
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Yes i know about that rom. Thats why i think its strange that HTC PR guy talks about crhistmas?
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I think this is cos they want to prevent what happened with the 2.1 Update for the HTC Hero (more than a half year between announcement and shipment, at least in europe).
Better to make promises they can hold. So the Christmas announcement makes completly sense to me.
Ascenca
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I think this is cos they want to prevent what happened with the 2.1 Update for the HTC Hero (more than a half year between announcement and shipment, at least in europe).
Better to make promises they can hold. So the Christmas announcement makes completly sense to me.
Ascenca
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Yes thats probably the reason. But it might make people not buying the Desire also and go for another brand like Samsung Galaxy S or even the Iphone 4 =P
Oh well, Im glad we have the Devs who get froyo roms out =)
Roms that dont work
Not trying to offend anyone.. I m pretty new to the HTC Desire (3 days) but VERY happy I forgot I ever had a 3GS.
But as far as roms are concerned, I see it is not worth using them since simple stuff such as video recording do not work.
Man, hope this better be true.
Sorry to sound so retardly geeky but it's been such a deep sadness for not being able to use the sdcard for applications. I'm sure you dudes feel the same!
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jastonas said:
Roms that dont work
Not trying to offend anyone.. I m pretty new to the HTC Desire (3 days) but VERY happy I forgot I ever had a 3GS.
But as far as roms are concerned, I see it is not worth using them since simple stuff such as video recording do not work.
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About video recording not working: http://androidheadlines.com/2010/07/android-2-2-is-now-on-the-htc-desire-it-too-can-now-do-720p.html
Looks pretty functional to me
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Yes i know about that rom. Thats why i think its strange that HTC PR guy talks about crhistmas?
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The only thing they have said is that they will be done BEFORE Christmas, that could be any time not precisely Christmas, it just gives them a window to allow for things to go wrong.
Another hint the update is not far of (statement from Eric Lin, global PR and online community Manager of HTC):
"I don't think you're going to see that really long six month, seven month lag, like you saw in the updates from 1.5 to 2.1, simply because it's a less severe change. Switching from 2.1 to 2.2, they made a lot of tweaks, but they didn't make any gigantic changes, so it should be a much swifter process".
Source: the::unwierd
Ascenca
Hi
Does anyone know if android 2.3 is arriving on the HTC Desire?
if it does when?
-Frederik Thorsted
Within next few weeks, , hopefully before x-mas
Thank you very much
Maybe sooner if someone does a quick port of the sdk emulator image
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Maybe sooner if someone does a quick port of the sdk emulator image
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Sources will be most likely released before a "quick port" of sdk emulator image.
will it be an official update?
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Within next few weeks, , hopefully before x-mas
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Gingerbread ROM will be released within two weeks for the Nexus One..I'm sure that someone of our fine devs will port it to the Desire..But so far HTC made no announcements regarding an official Gingerbread update for us.. Anyway, -my beloved developers ( )- some guys have uploaded some gingerbread stuff ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863317 ) but I dont really know what this is..Will we get a custom ginger anytime soon?
so we still dont know if desire will get gingerbread officially from HTC??
unfortunately the desire won't recieve the official release...market reason...
And where did you get this information? Unless you can provide a source nothing is definite yet
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unfortunately the desire won't recieve the official release...market reason...
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bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.
bobbysixkiller said:
bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.
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My thoughts exactly, if not, someone will eventually port .
Yes.. My feeling is that the desire will get the new Sense along with Gingerbread release.
Well.. even if they dont release it officially for Desire, they will have to release it anyway for the Z/HD and our mods can port it in no time. Our Desires dont have the hardware limitation (especially internal storage with A2SD/D2SD). Then we desire users can flash those roms and show the finger to HTC...
We have the mods... they are our gods!!
Market reason?
With the 2 years warranty there must be not only assistance in case of broken phone, but also the confirmation of continous upgrading with new software, bugfix until the 2 years are passed and 'til the phone risk not to support th upgrading.
This should be the real 2 year warranty so much declared in the instructions and things like that
bobbysixkiller said:
bit of a bold statement.
seeing as the nexus 1 and nexus s cpu speed is the same spec i see no reason why HTC will not upgrade at some point the 3 desire phones as these are there flagships. by not upgrading the standard desire they risk losing people who must have '2.3' to another brand. My view is in early 2011 they will roll this update out to all 3 and also bring the standard desire up to the HD and Z in sense terms. i believe they held this off for marketing reasons. Juts my view mind.
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according to an article I read on pocketnow, HTC comes out with 2.3 in March of 2011.
EddyOS said:
And where did you get this information? Unless you can provide a source nothing is definite yet
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my dad is the managaer of HTC italia company...he told me that...but he wasn't sure...but i hope it wll release it!!!
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my dad is the managaer of HTC italia company...he told me that...but he wasn't sure...but i hope it wll release it!!!
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Daniele De Grandis
Country Manager, Italy
HTC Europe Co. Ltd.
He has no child.
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alwayslearning said:
according to an article I read on pocketnow, HTC comes out with 2.3 in March of 2011.
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I hope it comes out before
well, there's still hope: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...d-android-2-3-update--913929?src=rss&attr=all
and for the "quick port", it indeed came quick: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863884
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Daniele De Grandis
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HTC Europe Co. Ltd.
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i'm joking guy...come on sorry hihi...however i hope that gingerbread will be official on our Desires too!
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
Sent from my LeeDrOID loaded Desire HD
It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
that's a good news!!!
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It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
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Same here.
fllash said:
It's good to hear - the outcome of their review of the policy will have a direct influence on my next device.
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Same here. I was sold on the HTC Sensation but then heard that they locked it down like Fort Knox.
Going to the HTC event in Toronto on May 30th, see what the reps there have to say about this (probably nothing, but worth a try).
Great news indeed. Really hope they listen to their fans. As everyone else has said this will influence what phone I get next.
hope they will make the next nexus android phone ice-cream sandwiches
Sounds like something Motorola would say. Motorola actually said they would unlock the whole range ( carrier dependant) in late 2011 we'll have to see.
Did htc say they'd do anything like that? Hmm big load-a-stalling.
Desire is the source of all suffering.
wow probs to htc they listen to customers
Who would've thought...
Nice to hear these good news, last scepsis is gone looking forward to the Sensation! Great!
Sent from my HTC Desire
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It will certainly give me more options if the policy changes.
Being rootable is paramount.
I have to see it first to believe it. In my opinion HTC does not listen to customers. Based on the past when they would release very buggy firmware (eg touch pro 2 and hd2) and did not solve it. Custom roms were the only thing that made the devices great.
So after 4 HTC devices, my next one will be the Galaxy S 2.
Also, we what are their motives for doing it in the first place?
-Operators who don't like tethering, so won't sell their devices when it's possible to root?
-Don't like it when new sense versions are being ported to old devices?
-Thinking that locking everything down will sell them more devices?
I really hope this is not a marketing trick.... I'd really like future HTC phones to have unlock bootloaders we all know (maybe HTC too) that the roms our chefs make are by far better than the stock ones
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I won't believe this till i see it.
Nice gesture, this facebook message. Lets hope they mean what the say in it.
The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
They do not want allow to flash an other rom on their devices
Htc Sense is great in my opinion, but I dont understand why they want force to use that..If really they will allow this, will be a great step for htc
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The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
They do not want allow to flash an other rom on their devices
Htc Sense is great in my opinion, but I dont understand why they want force to use that..If really they will allow this, will be a great step for htc
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So you are saying that HTC is following the apple route? Don't forget that apple has allowed other OSes on their machines
We might be lucky
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The problem is that htc don't sell only hardware..They want sell Htc Sense
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Even though HTC's hardware is not always cutting edge, its generally well built and I like this.
I don't use HTC sense, but I would still buy a HTC handset if I could root it, just because I know what I am getting.
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Even though HTC's hardware is not always cutting edge, its generally well built and I like this.
I don't use HTC sense, but I would still buy a HTC handset if I could root it, just because I know what I am getting.
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If was not clear, I agree with you