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Has anyone used b&b 4.3 AND Touch 3.01?

As post title, has anyone on here actually used b&b 4.3 AND Touch 3.01?
Everyone that posts seems to have a preference between the two, but most people are judging the newer version of one against an older version of the other.
I would like someone who has used both to give their opinions on each and which one is better?
I am currently using b&b 4.3 and its wicked, but it seems to have slowed down a lot after some customisation so I am thinking of swapping to Touch 3.01 if its faster with similar features.
Cheers

I've tried them all
Meschle's tend to be faster than Tom's... and I'm not a huge fan of all black schemes...
I was using BB for a while, but found it slow, and switched to Premium Plus, which was ok, but also slowed down after a while.
I've now reverted to Vanilla 2.01 (a couple of days ago) and put on the Apps I need seperately, and speed, performance and battery life are much much better and instantly noticeable improvement, despite having to load on all the extras like Hbutton etc, and I don't overclock at all.

I tried both.
I agree with you guys that BB slows down after customization and installation of my favorite apps.
From the day Artemis Touch 3.01 (full no cube) released I use it till now. Very fast even with many apps installed. Plus memory leak is less than BB.
I 'm very happy with it. I will change it only if a newer release comes out.
Meschle did a great job (not that Tom did not ).

To me, the appearance of the rom is extremely important, and Tom's is much more graphically engaging than Meschle's.
Regarding speed, it hasn't really slowed down for me.
I only used Meschle's rom for a couple of days and probably would have stayed with it if the graphics (e.g. HTC Home buttons) were as good as Tom's.
Props to both chefs.

For me:
I've tried the touch 3.01 for about two days. It slowed down my htc and a I lost
plenty of storage..
So I changed to B&B. Now I'm very happy with this rom. It suits my requirements best.
I have a lot of storage left. And nearly no storage goes lost.
I'm realy satisfied with this rom - so I'm looking forward to the new release 5.0
Thx a lot Tom!
bye
peter

I installed Mesche Meschle Touch 3.01 Full with cube on the day it was released(11/11/07). Very happy with it, no hard reset until now. Soft reset usually about once a week. I would not change, only to update.

majo_scigo said:
I installed Mesche Meschle Touch 3.01 Full with cube on the day it was released(11/11/07). Very happy with it, no hard reset until now. Soft reset usually about once a week. I would not change, only to update.
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How you u can do a hard reset on Touch 3.01? I dont find them...

o2orbit said:
How you u can do a hard reset on Touch 3.01? I dont find them...
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A hard reset is as the name suggests, it's a function of the hardware, it's not software dependent, with the two softkeys held down, press the reset button, you'll then be presented with a confirmation.

Yes i do this, but then write, that you must press send button to hard reset it, but ayn button i press it, is my orbit not hardreseted??? Which button is mean for send button?

I switched from B&B 4.3 to Touch 3.1 Lite without cube and I find the Touch rom is faster and more stable. The memory leak seems to be less of a problem than with B&B but they are both fine roms.

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Which button is mean for send button?
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'Send Button' = the green phone button (for answer / initiate calls)

I've tried the Touch 3 and BB 4.3. Toms ROM looked great and was pretty fast but I didn't load up all my applications on it. I didn't really like the P-Bar prog as much as the simple X-Button. Also, his ROM was kinda light. A lot of people like that but I like not having to add a bunch of programs to get it the way I want it.
The Touch ROM was my favorite. W/cube there was a little mem drain but not much at all. It had most of the applications I was used to and was pretty fast. I would have kept the ROM but I was experiencing some problems with it that no one else seemed to have. So I switched to the Premium Plus ROM and it seems to be the perfect ROM for me. Pretty stable and functional if you soft reset once a week.
I don't care as much about the look as I do about functionality and stabilty. To me, Tom's ROM just didn't do that much. The way I figure, the more applications you have cooked into the ROM already, the less stuff you have to add, hence, slowing down the device and or unknown software conflicts. So I say pick the ROM that requires the least customization.

Best / Reliable 6.1 Roms

Hello, I see a handful on 6.1 Roms in here. Short of loading each one of them. Which is more reliable or keeps on top of updates if needed?
Im Currently using the MRH. And I Dont know much kinda new in a way to upgrading my phone. But It just seems like there is alot missing with this rom.

sammyboy405 said:
Hello, I see a handful on 6.1 Roms in here. Short of loading each one of them. Which is more reliable or keeps on top of updates if needed?
Im Currently using the MRH. And I Dont know much kinda new in a way to upgrading my phone. But It just seems like there is alot missing with this rom.
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u have to load each because each user here may have a different experience with each because for me one rom maybe perfect next person may crash left and right and so on so only way to know is trying each like i like pvh 19400 although am now trying pvh19900

To a fellow OK State alumn, I have tested at least a dozen different 6.1 ROMS and this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376223
has been the cleanest, fastest, and most stable one for me. Just add the applications you want.

Much thanks! Yea thats the one i was toying around with. There are so many apps out there. I dont know where to start. and which ones would tailor towards my use.

i downloaded and tried them all,
Quite happy with the one ive got now, many have loads of apps but you start to loose available RAM when that happens.
best just to try a few and see which one best suits what you want to do, suggestion though is to keep your PIM and other things backed up incase you need to do a hard reset in the event of a freeze

Just keep on this forum as often as you can. It took me months to find out what I wanted and what worked. Just be patient and play around. It is more of a hobby to me than anything.

less questions and read read read the thread posts!! try a few with features u like! all the cooks have great roms if u know how to use them....

Best ROM
I have install and test almost all the WM 6.1 ROMS.
Like the other guys say you really have to test out a ROM as you might like some features over others.
In my time i have found the following:
TNT ROM WM6.1 to be the best all rounder - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=376945
Only thing i don't like about it is the startup speed. Every with the animation disabled and the network auto config it still makes a good long while.
Blinky ROM WM 6.1 Super fast and really cool - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383751
My favourite ROM so far but does not come with many applications

im using pays rom 6.1, use it for a month now. stable and quite fast

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Blinky ROM WM 6.1 Super fast and really cool - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383751
My favorite ROM so far but does not come with many applications
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Its what I have and his review is spot on. Its very fast, probably the fastest I have ever used and incredibly fast startup time. It was missing many of the programs I like but thankfully I already had them on my storage card from playing with a Schaps Lite ROM a while back. I think my last changes will be a flashlight software like vjcandela and something better for BT transfers but all in all this is a great ROM and will definitely keep me happy until the next Schaps is released.

I like PDAViet build 19900... It is SOOOOOOOOO fast and had a remarkable 28Mb of ram left after installing it with almost 70Mb storage memory. Now down to about 25MB ram and 45Mb storage as I've put a heap of 3rd party apps on...Cheers...

the last Binky 6.1 WM 3.5 is a great slim one and you have the possibility to install your own apps after flashing
but guys, I can't beam files using the f***ing IR port... anyidea about it?

htc hd2 touchflo on at&t tilt2

I am a little new to XDA...but I cant really find a straight answer to a question I have.
I just purchased the tilt2...love it. Unfortunately, I watched videos on the new hd2, and while I don't want the phone....gotta have my keyboard....I think a couple of the touchflo tabs make MUCH more sense.
So basically, I am wondering if cooks on here feel that at some point they will be able to offer some of those features in .cab files?
I dont want a whole new rom, I tried that on my original tilt...and it just never worked perfect, gps problems, some menus didnt look right. I really just want the phone to work perfectly like at&t intended...but with the new contacts tab, email tab, and maybe the new home screen that allows weather backgrounds and I believe allows a couple contacts straight on it.
Anyway...based on how people have been able to pull apart software for these phones...does this sound possible? or is touchflo simply too complicated to only pull parts of it out? I wouldnt want to simply entirely replace my at&t tilt 2 touchflo version with the hd2 version because I have heard that you would lose landscape mode for touchflo?
Anyway...just wondering if I can hope for this...or if I simply need to accept what I have until the touch pro 3 comes out?
p.s. I am assuming I would need that new version for what I wanted..unless hacks are possible? Basically I love the new email tab that allows you to read your emails right from there instead of showing them in an envelope.
I like the new contacts tab much better....more functional than that rotating carousel thing.
New today screen is nice with the weather background...and I like the idea of contacts on that screen.

No, you aren't going be able to change your TF3D with a simple .cab file.
It would require the flashing of a new ROM.
the HD2 'Sense' interface is Manila 2.5 and is in many ROMs over at the development section. Since Manila 2.5 is only designed for the HD2, when using the interface there is no landscape support for when the keyboard is slid out.
No one in xda-deveolopers has shown the ability to be able to take some features from Manila 2.1 and mix them with 2.5. If they could, I'm sure HTC would hire them in a heartbeat. HTC has an entire team of paid workers that create the Manilas. It takes time and skill and LOTS of work.
I would recommend just flashing a good Manila 2.1 ROM. Get rid of your AT&T bloatware. NGRZ's Photon ROM (in my signature) is a good place to start. It is very fast, stable, and comes preloaded with a ton of useful apps.
You will have less problems with his ROM than AT&T's stock ROM.

skyler17 said:
No, you aren't going be able to change your TF3D with a simple .cab file.
It would require the flashing of a new ROM.
the HD2 'Sense' interface is Manila 2.5 and is in many ROMs over at the development section. Since Manila 2.5 is only designed for the HD2, when using the interface there is no landscape support for when the keyboard is slid out.
No one in xda-deveolopers has shown the ability to be able to take some features from Manila 2.1 and mix them with 2.5. If they could, I'm sure HTC would hire them in a heartbeat. HTC has an entire team of paid workers that create the Manilas. It takes time and skill and LOTS of work.
I would recommend just flashing a good Manila 2.1 ROM. Get rid of your AT&T bloatware. NGRZ's Photon ROM (in my signature) is a good place to start. It is very fast, stable, and comes preloaded with a ton of useful apps.
You will have less problems with his ROM than AT&T's stock ROM.
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Thank you for the response...I figured that was the case.
So let me ask you...I am very nervous about flashing the ROM on my brand new expensive phone. My main concerns:
1. Is their an easy way to go back to the stock setup?
2. When i flashed my first tilt, I had radio problems that never really got fixed
3. What advantage does that ROM have over the stock...other than space? I find the stock ROM has pretty decent speed honestly
4. My main concern: I don't like losing any of the functionality of the stock ROM...I actually like the default ATT opera page, etc.
5. If I could find a ROM that would simply remove things like the ATT mall, but otherwise leave everything else stock..and work just as good as stock...gps, opera, keyboard mapping, etc. I would do it. Oh...I wouldnt mind having custom wallpaper on all tabs.

acolona said:
Thank you for the response...I figured that was the case.
So let me ask you...I am very nervous about flashing the ROM on my brand new expensive phone. My main concerns:
1. Is their an easy way to go back to the stock setup?
2. When i flashed my first tilt, I had radio problems that never really got fixed
3. What advantage does that ROM have over the stock...other than space? I find the stock ROM has pretty decent speed honestly
4. My main concern: I don't like losing any of the functionality of the stock ROM...I actually like the default ATT opera page, etc.
5. If I could find a ROM that would simply remove things like the ATT mall, but otherwise leave everything else stock..and work just as good as stock...gps, opera, keyboard mapping, etc. I would do it. Oh...I wouldnt mind having custom wallpaper on all tabs.
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Here's some feedback:
1. Right now, no -- since the Tilt2 has just been released, many folks are waiting for someone to successfully dump the stock ROM in case we need to go back.
2. Many of the custom ROMs do not include a new radio -- you'll just have to read up and decide which ones you like.
3. Every custom ROM has a different advantage. In some cases its visual, in other cases speed, stability, and some are just highly experimental with features taken from other phones.
4/5. Again since the Tilt2 is so new, give it a little time. Usually there are some chefs who feel the same way you do and will use a stock ROM and just make minor tweaks like taking out some unnecessary bloat and adding some useful programs.
I would recommend if the stock ROM is working ok for you, to stick with it for the time being until some more ATT specific ROMs start getting developed and you find one that will suit your individual needs.

pinoymutt said:
Here's some feedback:
1. Right now, no -- since the Tilt2 has just been released, many folks are waiting for someone to successfully dump the stock ROM in case we need to go back.
2. Many of the custom ROMs do not include a new radio -- you'll just have to read up and decide which ones you like.
3. Every custom ROM has a different advantage. In some cases its visual, in other cases speed, stability, and some are just highly experimental with features taken from other phones.
4/5. Again since the Tilt2 is so new, give it a little time. Usually there are some chefs who feel the same way you do and will use a stock ROM and just make minor tweaks like taking out some unnecessary bloat and adding some useful programs.
I would recommend if the stock ROM is working ok for you, to stick with it for the time being until some more ATT specific ROMs start getting developed and you find one that will suit your individual needs.
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4/5. Perfect, thats a great answer for me. I think that's what I really want is a stock ROM with some tweaks for speed and bloat.
A. Does a stock tweaked ROM usually mean I dont need to worry about fiddling with radios? and the GPS and stuff works just like stock?
B. Any specific ROM chefs that you know of that I should follow that typically do these types of ROMs?
oh..this is unrelated, but does anyone know why I am having issues running software that seems to work fine on other touch pro 2's...I keep getting errors about .net versions being wrong. I tried installing the .net compact package from Microsoft..but it just says it fails during install. This is kind of a pain because I can't get some really common apps to install.

Which cooked ROM is best for Tilt 2.

I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?

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I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?
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The e2 ROM and the WCX ROM are both cooked specifically for the Tilt2. Your hardware keyboard should work with either one with no modifications or additional mapping.
It seems to me that the e2 ROM keeps a few more of the AT&T specific software, but in my opinion both ROM's are pretty much the same with personal preference being the deciding factor.
If you flash just about any other ROM, you will also have to install a cab to remap the keyboard to the AT&T setup, and may even have to do some modifications in the picture messaging.
e2 has a version without HTC Messaging which many people believe presents a lag problem in just about any ROM. He has a version with the older ArcSoft which is probably what you are used to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=644537
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681667

People always ask "what is the best ROM", but what is best depends on what you want in the ROM: aesthetics, features vs. lean & fast, what apps are cooked in, etc.
Personally, I've been using the Energy ROM on my Tilt2, and I love it. Great combination of eye candy, speed and stability. After you flash the ROM, just run the Carrier Provisioning in Tools, and it will map the keyboard to the ATT layout. Everything else works perfectly on ATT's network without any tweaking for me, NRG has already figured out the carrier specific settings to make it amazingly easy.

IMHO if you pick a ROM that is designed *specifically* for the Tilt2, then you are restricting your choice greatly. Most/all of the other ROMs should work fine on a Tilt2, just with a cab needed to map the keyboard (which is trivial).
I would ignore the Tilt2 bit, and just pick a ROM that looks good to you, and give it a try.
Yes, you can use either Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5 on your phone, also there are other front-ends too, like Cookie, MaxSense, Titanium, etc, etc.

steviewevie said:
IMHO if you pick a ROM that is designed *specifically* for the Tilt2, then you are restricting your choice greatly. Most/all of the other ROMs should work fine on a Tilt2, just with a cab needed to map the keyboard (which is trivial).
I would ignore the Tilt2 bit, and just pick a ROM that looks good to you, and give it a try.
Yes, you can use either Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5 on your phone, also there are other front-ends too, like Cookie, MaxSense, Titanium, etc, etc.
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If you have a cab which will map the ENTIRE AT&T Tilt2 keyboard, I'd like for you to post it. I agree that it is trivial, BUT, I've never yet found a keyboard cab which will map ALL keys, including the OK key, to work properly. I have tried many different ROMs on my wife's Tilt2, and yes, many of them look great. However, IF it is important to you to have the AT&T mapping exactly right on all keys, like it is to my wife, I have not found any of the others which will do that with an "add-on" keyboard mapping cab. As I said in the beginning, if you have one which will do this, please, please, please, send it my way. It would open many doors, and many other ROMs for me to try.
Personally, I never even open the hardware keyboard on my Verizon Touch Pro2, so keyboard mapping is not a big deal to me, but the first thing she does when she pulls the Tilt2 out of her purse is pop open the keyboard, so that has been a big issue in our search for a good ROM for her use.

redpoint73 said:
People always ask "what is the best ROM", but what is best depends on what you want in the ROM: aesthetics, features vs. lean & fast, what apps are cooked in, etc.
Personally, I've been using the Energy ROM on my Tilt2, and I love it. Great combination of eye candy, speed and stability. After you flash the ROM, just run the Carrier Provisioning in Tools, and it will map the keyboard to the ATT layout. Everything else works perfectly on ATT's network without any tweaking for me, NRG has already figured out the carrier specific settings to make it amazingly easy.
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The problem I've had with Engery rom and every other rom that insists upon using transparent sliders and clocks is the "bleeding" through on the contacts page. In my opinion, that bleeding through looks very unprofessional and unfinished. See picture below:

Xebec said:
The problem I've had with Engery rom and every other rom that insists upon using transparent sliders and clocks is the "bleeding" through on the contacts page. In my opinion, that bleeding through looks very unprofessional and unfinished. See picture below:
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So you would prefer to have the last row bottom completely covered?

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So you would prefer to have the last row bottom completely covered?
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Well, it is not really the last row, it scrolls up for even more rows. Once you scroll up past the slider bar, it would visible.

I like the energy roms but the e2 and wcx are the only ones with AT&Ts agps settings it seems. I've tried the .cab of AT&T nokia and google settings but it's still difficult getting a lock on other "generic" roms instead of the AT&T specific roms.

keyboard map
GaryMcQ said:
If you have a cab which will map the ENTIRE AT&T Tilt2 keyboard, I'd like for you to post it. I agree that it is trivial, BUT, I've never yet found a keyboard cab which will map ALL keys, including the OK key, to work properly. I have tried many different ROMs on my wife's Tilt2, and yes, many of them look great. However, IF it is important to you to have the AT&T mapping exactly right on all keys, like it is to my wife, I have not found any of the others which will do that with an "add-on" keyboard mapping cab. As I said in the beginning, if you have one which will do this, please, please, please, send it my way. It would open many doors, and many other ROMs for me to try.
Personally, I never even open the hardware keyboard on my Verizon Touch Pro2, so keyboard mapping is not a big deal to me, but the first thing she does when she pulls the Tilt2 out of her purse is pop open the keyboard, so that has been a big issue in our search for a good ROM for her use.
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try this. i use it on my tilt2 and havnt found any mapping issues. except for the OK key LOL but the OK key pops up bottom right, right next to you're thumb anyway.

Energy Rom gets my vote....awesome...a lot faster and more responsive than stock plus it looks better to me as well.

Guys, I have no need for ATT bloatware, HTC messaging, MS stuff like Marketplace, MyPhone, etc. Even stock music player is crap. Prefer to install separate programs. Free MB is of great interest. ROM working with GPS is a must. Functionality, speed, free space is much preferable to looks.
Could you give me some leads if you encountered any "lite" ROMs for ATT Tilt 2 out there?
Thanks.

pduncan said:
I have a Tilt 2, and although I love the phone, had it for two months now, it can be a clunker if I don't power it down frequently. Looking for a good, stable cooked ROM that will speed things up, get rid of the AT$T cotton candy and be able to use all the functions of the phone.
Anyone have a favorite. My current system is stock , (2.1.19183217.0)(is not sense version). Can I use Sense 2.1 or 2.5 on my phone?
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Becareful!... this is how it starts, one innocent post and then bam! your a ROM junkie... On here day and night, chasing the dragon, looking for next best ROM.

Green Eyed Misfit said:
Becareful!... this is how it starts, one innocent post and then bam! your a ROM junkie... On here day and night, chasing the dragon, looking for next best ROM.
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Truer words were never spoken. I have no idea how, or when, even why it started. But man I'd like to have a quarter for every minute I've patrolled these forums searching for that ever elusive perfect ROM.
My name is Gary . . .and I'm a ROM junkie . . .

I have had my tilt2 for 3 weeks and I searched and searched for specific tilt2 stuff. Even though I was really nervous to flash it I flashed the "Energy Standard sense" ROM and it was great. I used the TILT2 keyboard cab and it worked perfectly. I use my Tilt2 on T-mobile so it had provisioning for that cooked in as well. I wanted a little more "polish" and adjustment to it and so I now have the "Energy Dinik Glass" (June.7) ROM and it is amazing! No issues so far.
Just an fyi...for some reason all the energy roms I have flashed have really slow touch sensitivity but within a few minutes and a soft reset everything is speedy as normal.

GaryMcQ said:
Truer words were never spoken. I have no idea how, or when, even why it started. But man I'd like to have a quarter for every minute I've patrolled these forums searching for that ever elusive perfect ROM.
My name is Gary . . .and I'm a ROM junkie . . .
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652857

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thanks... i felt so alone!

Chasing the ROM dragon *LOL*
Guys, I must confess that I'm guilty of the same thing as well. However, I think that part of it is encoded into our DNA. The other part (if you're married to a penny pincher like I am) comes from our spouses. Let's be honest about this...guys love gadgets. That's why we have Spike TV & G4 (Thank God for G4!!) My point is this...since my wife won't let me go and buy the next latest, greatest phone each time a better one comes out, my only alternative is to change what I already have - hence the constant changing of ROMs.
Recently, it became a necessity because I had been a FUZE user and was devoted to TAEL's ROMs for quite some time. But then when I got the new car and the Tilt 2 was the only thing that would work on it (bluetooth car audio functions), I knew where I had to go to make the boring 'stock' Tilt 2 into something that I could use and be efficient and effective in my job. That's where NRG comes in. With no disrespect to the other ROM makers in the Tilt 2 forum, NRG has come through for me time and again. There are very nice things from the other guys, but NRG seems to know exactly what I NEED and he puts it out there. Mind you, I'm not even talking about the bleeding edge 23xxx stuff. I'm merely talking about the tried and true stable 21xxx ROMs that get delivered. Sure there's an occasional bug sometimes (who hasn't seen one?), but he's quick to fix them and the next release to us. (Which reminds me, I need to make a donation to him today because he has pulled my ass from the fire more times than I care to count.)
I'm sorry if I got on a soapbox, but this whole forum makes me very emotional. Before I knew how to flash ROMs and knew what was out there, a phone was merely a phone. But then all you guys came info my life and you shared your knowledge with me without condescension or bellittling.)
That's my two cents for what it's worth.

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That's my two cents for what it's worth.
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I appreciate your post!
I see you are using ROM : EnergyROM 21903/Sense 2.5/Cookie Home Tab/May 16
It looks like I cannot get that anymore, therefore I need to go to:
Energy.RHODIUM.21905.Sense2.5.Cookie.Jun.11.7z
?
Thanks!

So there's really no way to completely remap the keys on a Touch Pro2 ROM to match the AT&T keyboard? I only got my TP2 a few weeks ago, but I've been travelling and haven't had the internet to test out many new ROMs (just threw on Energy ROM before I left). Been using an unmapped keyboard for a few weeks now...
Just curious if there's a better way.

My Final Solution to ROMs

Hey guys, you might have seen I have posted on here requesting help with ROMs and suggestions for which ones and so on. Now, I'm gonna attempt to help everyone else out there. I use my phone a lot (mainly between texting and internet), and here is my breakdown of various UI's
Sense - great looks, however it slows down very fast after only receiving a few texts and emails. People who go easy on there phones would like this.
Titanium - Simple, probably one of the fastest, responsive, overall great. However I found the usage of it to be kinda harder because you don't have as many options on the Today page. Yes this is customize able, but I went away from it. I wanted something that was all there.
MaxSense - This looks AMAZING. When I first saw someone post something about it a couple weeks ago I looked into it and I basically loved it. However, at this point it is still glitchy and buggy. I would love to see how it looks like in a month or two! Also, I can't add as many widgets as I would have liked too. Don't get me wrong this is an amazing work in progress! I mean, hey, It's free, I can't really complain am i right? haha
SPB Mobile Shell - My dad bought this a while ago, and I asked him to install it. It was basically MaxSense, but not nearly as buggy and it didn't take up as much memory AND there are more availability for widgets! Down side, you got to bust out 30 dollars for it. I am now looking into customizing SPB and options are looking good. Also, for Mobile Shell, I flashed a clean rom to let it run faster. Also, I use wm6.5.5 with the Start menu at the bottom, I am looking for a "widget" that would emulate the Start menu because It doesnt show at the bottom due to Mobile Shell's interface which overlaps it. I realized you don't really need to use it, but it would be kinda nice. Currently I am looking for the Slide Clock (like the Android/Sense clock) as opposed to the standard Mobile SHell clock. Links would be nice guys
Everything has its ups and downs, I hope I helped some people out there in an easy breakdown of what I have gone through the past month or so.

this might be something you are interested in...it is my favorite SPB theme/skin/widget pack.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604146

There is more to just a good ROM than just which home screen you use.

redpoint73 said:
There is more to just a good ROM than just which home screen you use.
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Yeah, well I meant like the general categories of ROMs, woops

NRGZ rom with spb or deepshining?
Hey guys,
Currently waiting for NRGZ's rom with maxsense to finish downloading. I'm running the latest deepshining rom and was wondering do you think my rhodeo 300 would be faster if I loaded spb shell with energy rom?
Or should I just keep shining and run spb shell over that?

If i were you I would just run something cleaner over it. For example, the Energy Titanium ROM. But if you like the apps and stuff on DeepShining and don't want to change, thats one thing. Just a suggestion. Good luck

I use default WM today and since then I dont have problems with speed or memory...

This is exactly my thinking. I really like the Spb Shell because it has the left and right scroll like Android. I love wallpaper, so I only applied widgets to the left and right home screens. Since I had flashed my first rom, I had been looking for a clean rom to run Spb Shell on. I really wanted to try Freyberry's Barebone but have not found a working link yet. Anyway, I'm using Energy MaxSense and I like it alot. It has the scrolling wallpaper which is key for me . Besides the preinstalled widgets it only lets you add 3 other widgets I believe. Spb let's you turn all icons into widgets. It would be great if you could more thoroughly integrate the shell into the rom, not just preinstall it. I look forward to your rom and will be among the first to try it.

With all that said, what ROM would you suggest as a "clean" ROM to run SPB MS on? And what exactly is "clean"? Obviously I need messaging, GPS, camera, and many of the other pre-installed software. I'm new to this.

kfreels said:
With all that said, what ROM would you suggest as a "clean" ROM to run SPB MS on? And what exactly is "clean"? Obviously I need messaging, GPS, camera, and many of the other pre-installed software. I'm new to this.
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By clean I think most people think "bug free and runs smooth"
I have heard that the Jacko "old school" ROM is pretty clean. NRG sometimes makes a "Titanium" ROM that does not have Sense cooked in, I have used that one with Mobile Shell with good results. He only burns it occasionally, but whatever is out there should be OK to use.

kfreels said:
With all that said, what ROM would you suggest as a "clean" ROM to run SPB MS on? And what exactly is "clean"? Obviously I need messaging, GPS, camera, and many of the other pre-installed software. I'm new to this.
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I'm new to this forum myself. I guess 'clean' is a generic term, but what I mean by clean is free of all unnecessary clutter because I'm sure that Spb Shell will consume it's fair share of ram. Of course, what is 'clutter' is determined by the indivdual. I want it to run as close to a native OS as possible without interference.