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any of you guys come across this app.. it's for getting push e-mail without an ms exchange server.
question: has anyone got a way round applying this to hotmail? i think the trick is to get outlook to accept hotmail and then use this app.
also, i'm running on vista so this isn't yet compatible.. anyone aware of a similar app - i can use with my hotmail - that'll do the trick?
thanks guys..
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Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
palmbluetooth said:
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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But this doesn't support Hotmail does it?
I'm looking for a Hotmail solution... anyone?
Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..
xaoc said:
Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..
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sorry to be a pain... don't think i can forward my hotmail messages... can i?
are you able to explain how to do this and any implications?
cheers...
I have had a quick look at this app and it seems like a good thing to me - bearing in mind I've seen other push email accounts charging £15 a month.
I have a couple of questions though, someone here might know the answer.
AIUI the email is delivered over GPRS so you need to be connected all the time.
so the first question is what sort of data gets transferred if you are connected all the time but not actually downloading anything? for example if you look at your broadband connection, even when you are not using it, small amounts of data are sent/received periodically. over the course of the day this could quite easily add up!!
next question is, although I have an O2 Orbit, I'm not actually on O2. I have a temporary T-Mobile sim card while I wait to start my new job and they give me my new phone (I'll just take the sim out and put it in my orbit). I have only seen an option to set up the configuration for O2. Can the GPRS settings for other networks be entered manually? or will I have to remove all the O2 settings that are installed after a hard reset to enable me to do this? (not something I really want to do)
In answer to the other comments about mail2web and mail2wap. I have been using this site for years and years, the only thing is you have to connect to the web and then check your mail....you might not have any but you still have to pay to connect and transfer data. Hence the push email is a better idea as you KNOW you have mail as opposed to checking in case you MIGHT have some with mail2web.
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Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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My understanding is that the free Mail2Web Live product uses the older Always Up To Date technology. i.e. it sends you a silent text message when new email arrives which triggers Pocket Outlook to connect by POP or IMAP and get your mail.
That is not a push mail product. It is a triggered pull. Not bad for free, but one should be clear it does not include Direct Push... unless something has recently changed (please feel free to correct me)
Mail2Web also offer Personal Exchange, a paid hosted exchange service which has Direct Push. I personally did not like their service as I was unhappy with the Junk mail filtering they use, but their most basic hosted exchange service with Direct Push is extremely cheap... though not free.
so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes? (assuming I am somewhere where I have wifi or internet access)
that doesn't sound too bad....as basically what I am after is something that tells me I have an email when it arrives in my inbox. All I need is a text message telling me who it's from and the subject. That way I can decide whether I want to connect to the net and pick up the email or whether it's something that can wait.
is there anyone who offers a service like that? (I think hotmail do but I don't want to use hotmail)
many thanks
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so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes?
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Sorry to the Mods if this is getting off-topic (realize this is an Artemis - Emoze thread... please move if appropriate!)
Goota be honest, it is a few months since I used any Mail2Web service so I can only report on my past experience. I recall they had fairly responsive/informative support by email and recommend you ask them directly.
I think Always Up To Date (AUTD) doesn't work quite the way you describe... not that it is bad at all, and it may well do what you need. Anyway, how it works is you would be installing a little application on your device which can recognize a special hidden/silent text message from the Exchange Server (you cannot see or read this message). It just tells you device that there is new email, that is all, Then your device switches on (screen goes on, comes out of suspend) and does a an email logon as if you had opened the relevant Pocket Outlook email account and hit the send/receive choice. It then logs on from scratch and retrieves your email (just headers or everything will based on your settings).
The good is this is may be free and can work on a pre-WM5 device. The downside is that it is much slower than true Direct Push and uses more battery. With Direct Push a handshake is already established with the Exchange Server and when you new mail arrives it drops into you mailbox within seconds without your device even needing to come out of standby. You just hear the audio alert of email arriving (depending on your prefered settings).
I tried the least expensive paid Exchange Service from mail2web. It was only about 2 USD a month with no contract so I am not complaining. I personally didn't like that, for me, it incorrectly marked almost every single message as Spam and I could not adjust this adequately unless I upgraded to their most expensive Exchange offering... which costs about the same as other similar services.
I am trying out the 1 and 1 Exchange service at present. OK, not fantastic. Probably we should have a thread specially for a good email round up... likely there is one already and I should probably be posting there....
HTH
What you need is WM6 with Windows Live!
I have a Wizard running WM6... just got my XDA Orbit on O2, WM5 :-(
On WM6, the MSN service is replaced with Windows Live, and that allows you to configure a hotmail account to sync up automatically or at specific intervals.
You can do it in WM5 using the MSN messageger with an ID linked to your hotmail acocunt, but you have to be logged in to messgencger for it to work.
If anyone can extract the Windows Live component form a WM6 rom....
I recently tried another application from qore.
The idea is that you get your emails forwarded to a service that texts you when you get an email (in my case T-Mobile offers this service). The application intercepts this text (you receive no notification, it's all done in the background) and triggers a send/receive on the email account specified on your unit. In my case connecting via GPRS and downloading my emails.
sadly, it seemed to interrupt random texts and since it's done in the background, you don't even know that the text has been intercepted. I was getting angry phone calls from my mates asking why I hadn't replied to texts, that I hadn't even seen!!
Push Email
1. Register a Hotmail account and use the included Microsoft Pocket MSN software it works!
2. Register an account with http://www.consilient.com it's free and allows push mail from many services...
Hope this helps..
Basically there are two main flaws which MUST be fixed by HTC!
1) 9 times out of 10 when you try to create a new imap account, the setup doesn't proceed over the incoming server page so you can't configure it at all
2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
HTC must fix these issues as soon as possible, as they make the Desire unusable as a reliable business tool. Seriously
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2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
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When creating my excahnge account, it just asks me if I want to acccept the untrusted certificate and thats it, thats the last I hear about that.
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When creating my excahnge account, it just asks me if I want to acccept the untrusted certificate and thats it, thats the last I hear about that.
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It asks me to accept the certificate EVERY TIME it checks the email, even if I always allow it...
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It asks me to accept the certificate EVERY TIME it checks the email, even if I always allow it...
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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.
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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.
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I haven't had any problem with corporate exchange certificate when was using my old windows mobile phones nor with my former Androids (Hero and Magic) but with this Desire it's a nightmare. When using K-9 client everything works fine so I think it's HTC client's fault...
Will be interesting to see whether anyone else has the same issue. I can't fault it, works just as well as it did on my Hero!
Untrusted certificate problem...
I've got this problem too, but, I don't know why, after few attempts, the problem is switched off by itself.
I don't know if it is possible to load the certificate into the phone via browser, but you can try this way.
Sending email via outbox without data connection is not possible...
This is another odd issue:
If there is not a data connection, the email client is NOT able to send email. Normally the email clients move email into the outbox folder for a future sending when a data connection will be available.
It's simple to test. You can try this issue, disabling every data connection on your phone.
This is very boring issue, mostly for those people that strongly use email for business.
Any feedback about?
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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.
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Exactly the same with me too. Which version of Exchange are you using? If it is 2007 just remove the handset from exchange managed devices then recreate the account on the handset. Might help?
Just to confirm, currently using Exchange 2003.
Weird, the client is working perfectly for me, with Exchange 2007. I wonder what it is about your environment that triggers the problem?
I've setup IMAP acounts many many times with no issues at all on my Magic because of constant re-flashing ROMs ;-) (most of the time with the HTC mail client). Also the 2 IMAP acounts on my desire were setup in minutes with no problem. Maybe your device is faulty?
i had as well no problems setting up my corporate exchange account. it was exactly like on my hero. it showed me a warning about the certificate once, i think i pressed ignore and that's it. no more problems.
Exchange 2003
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Oh yeah I forgot about the IMAP bit. I use IMAP for my personal email account and again, it worked first time and has worked perfectly since. Same on my G1, though the default client lacked some functionality on there.
Do you have good connectivity when you run through the IMAP set up process? When you enter your details it tries to connect and verify that they are correct, so I wonder whether this is the delay/hang you're seeing?
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Basically there are two main flaws which MUST be fixed by HTC!
2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
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Indeed have this issue with exchange 2003.. Just to bad.. It's so close to being perfect, but now I have do dig out my iphone again..
I've been in touch with HTC customer service. They don't see this as a bug, but agreed to open a feature request to allow 'download and trust certificate' aka TouchDown does..
not had any exchange issues on my desire with exchange 2007 or 2010 as of yet. really pleased with the email client actually, works a lot better than my n97 one did!
Can someone explain to me the purpose of Outlook on the TP2? And how exactly does it differ from just setting up my own POP3 email? What benefit is gained from setting up my email as Outlook instead of as regular email? I'm just not getting this.
Either way, Windows Mobile uses Outlook Mobile to show email, no matter which option you choose. Much like Excel will show spreadsheets, Outlook is the program responsible for handling emails...
In this case I believe "Outlook Email" refers to Exchange Email. Exchange is a Microsoft Server product that integrates with the Mobile and Desktop versions of Outlook.
it also allows for calendar synchronization as well...
This is a holdover from the old days of the Pocket PC. Before Windows Mobile was running on phones, it was used on PDAs. The Outlook option in email allowed you to sync your email with your PC's outlook when connected with ActiveSync. When you synced your Pocket PC, your Outlook emails on your PC would get sent to the Outlook folder on your mobile device. Likewise, any emails you composed on your PDA would get sent to your PCs Outbox and sent out.
Nowadays, though, it's pretty useless since we all receive email directly on the device instead of by syncing with a PC. I wish I could get rid of it. In other words, there really is no good use for it now, just ignore it.
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Can someone explain to me the purpose of Outlook on the TP2? And how exactly does it differ from just setting up my own POP3 email? What benefit is gained from setting up my email as Outlook instead of as regular email? I'm just not getting this.
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If you are referring to the Outlook account inside the WM email program, that is used to synchronize your WM emails with MS Outlook on the desktop PC. That way when you connect via activesync, your phone will download all emails from your desktop outlook account. I have never used this feature.
However, your WM calendar is also synchronized with the desktop MS Outlook, which is a feature I use a lot.
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This is a holdover from the old days of the Pocket PC. Before Windows Mobile was running on phones, it was used on PDAs. The Outlook option in email allowed you to sync your email with your PC's outlook when connected with ActiveSync. When you synced your Pocket PC, your Outlook emails on your PC would get sent to the Outlook folder on your mobile device. Likewise, any emails you composed on your PDA would get sent to your PCs Outbox and sent out.
Nowadays, though, it's pretty useless since we all receive email directly on the device instead of by syncing with a PC. I wish I could get rid of it. In other words, there really is no good use for it now, just ignore it.
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It's not just for synchronizing with Outlook on a PC directly -- it also synchronizes with Exchange server.
Outlook on my TP2, with Activesync, synchronizes all my Outlook-type data (Calendar, Contacts, Tasks, and e-mail) with the same folders on my Exchange server.
I couldn't do this without Outlook (not interested in Gmail for important stuff -- too many false-positives in the spam folder), so it's not useless for me.
If you have a gmail account you can set up google sync through Active sync on your phone. It will push e-mails to your outlook inbox.
The level of ignorance on xda is growing. There was a time when a question like this would not be taken seriously, and most of the responses are ridiculous. Outlook is a client app. It rather seamlessly and natively handles synchronization of various kinds of data from either an exchange server (best option for pushing data) or POP3 or IMAP, etc. This data can include email, calendar, meeting requests, tasks, contacts, etc. I update information in one place and those changes are reflected on all my other devices instantly. That way all my devices have the same info, whether I'm at my desk, on OWA, on a pda or on my phone. Googlesync is a johnny-come-lately clone that tries to replicate the functionality of Outlook/exchange.
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The level of ignorance on xda is growing.
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So is the percentage of assholes. Thanks for contributing.
The op is talking about the Outlook account that's listed amongst his other email accounts, I believe. I don't think he's talking about Outlook itself.
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So is the percentage of assholes. Thanks for contributing.
The op is talking about the Outlook account that's listed amongst his other email accounts, I believe. I don't think he's talking about Outlook itself.
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the outlook account IS the activesync/exchange account, although i agree its silly to have it listed if its not configured
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The level of ignorance on xda is growing. There was a time when a question like this would not be taken seriously, and most of the responses are ridiculous. blah, blah, blah.
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This guy's post are never to be taken seriously -- unless you're into pointless snarkyness that contributes nothing to the thread (as if the choice of username and avatar weren't already a clue).
RE Ignorance: He obviously missed the point of the thread, which lsn't "Which is better: Outlook/Exchange or Google-syncing?"
Back when I was using a Dell PocketPC, I used the outlook email sync all the time. It was pretty convenient, considering the technology at the time. Nowadays, I don't sync Outlook email, as the op said, all that gets you is two email accounts with the same stuff in it. I still sync Outlooks contacts, calendar, task, notes.
As others have said, if you are syncing with an Exchange server, the Outlook email account could still be useful. I've never done, so for me and users like me the Outlook email account it is pretty useless, I wish I could make it disappear.
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This guy's post are never to be taken seriously -- unless you're into pointless snarkyness that contributes nothing to the thread (as if the choice of username and avatar weren't already a clue).
RE Ignorance: He obviously missed the point of the thread, which lsn't "Which is better: Outlook/Exchange or Google-syncing?"
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please give love a try...
MCbrian said:
This guy's post are never to be taken seriously -- unless you're into pointless snarkyness that contributes nothing to the thread (as if the choice of username and avatar weren't already a clue).
RE Ignorance: He obviously missed the point of the thread, which lsn't "Which is better: Outlook/Exchange or Google-syncing?"
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Actually, MCBrian, yours was one of the posts that made sense. My point was that this is basic information that has been repeated over and over again. I know when you grow, newbies will come, but reading is good! A quick search of this or any other winmo forum would have yielded the results the OP was looking for.
And, fwiw, if you check the OP's original question, how the conversation developed, and my response, you would see that I did not miss the point. But let the readers decide, homie.
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Actually, MCBrian, yours was one of the posts that made sense. My point was that this is basic information that has been repeated over and over again. I know when you grow, newbies will come, but reading is good! A quick search of this or any other winmo forum would have yielded the results the OP was looking for.
And, fwiw, if you check the OP's original question, how the conversation developed, and my response, you would see that I did not miss the point. But let the readers decide, homie.
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Yeah, what's so hard about just answering the question? What difference does it make if the answer is already out there? I always find it amusing how ruffled some people get about this.
Commdr64 said:
So is the percentage of assholes. Thanks for contributing.
The op is talking about the Outlook account that's listed amongst his other email accounts, I believe. I don't think he's talking about Outlook itself.
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Yeah, that's why I modified my post. At first I thought he meant what was the outlook program, but he was talking about the outlook account in WM messaging.
FWIW, I've been using WM since WM 2003, about 8 years now, and I've never used an Exchange server. It just happened that the company I was at preferred to save money and outsource to a remote email program. I did activesync my desktop outlook emails for a while there, but now I've gone to Thunderbird (great search engine) for my work emails. I do still sync my calendar and contacts, but mostly as a backup to the phone.
Oops, getting old, my first PPC was before WM 2003, the original T-Mobile PPC Phone. Huge device!
Yes, in case there is any confusion still, I was talking about the Outlook email on my phone. I just don't get the point.
I synced my phone, got to back up all my contacts to my Outlook 2007. Wonderful, but I already back up with PIMbackup. Is there any other value? Immediate push email or anything? Or does all of that involve setting up an exchange server?
Thanks!
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My best chuckle of the day. Thanks.
And my 2 cents. Some people (including me) ask questions to stimulate discussion. Maybe I know the exact answer to the question, but I want to hear or read others discuss it because I want to learn more about it. And BTW - the search on XDA leaves a lot to be desired.
The question on my mind is, will Windows Phone 7 Sync with Outlook that is not connected via Exchange?
I don't care about the emails but Contacts, Appointments & Tasks are important.
I hear about the Outlook connector but it seems to me that my PIM data will be moved over to LIVE account and then get synced.
I have a personal and a business domain that are hosted somewhere and I use outlook to get all my emails. I don't want to sync/copy my personal & business contacts on windows live mail. I have been waiting for WP7 to come out in lieu of getting a new mobile and this is not encouraging.
I assume Zune software will be upgraded to do most of the job.
Have I been reading wrong articles? Please guide me and correct me.
from what i read contacts/appointments will only be through activesync. i don't believe tasks are working as of yet.
how are you connecting outlook to your personal and business domains? to get anything more than email alone (pop/imap), you would have to have some protocol (e.g. exchange) in place to allow the rest to flow through.
Thanks
I am using POP3 at the moment and I don't believe the hosting provider gives me IMAP but I can live with it.
So ActiveSync or Windows Mobile Device Center will still work to sync? I heard any talking to the device will only be done via Zune Software!
i thought sop too.. that zune software will be doing the sync insted of the active sync or windows device manager...
as MS will have some provision to sync with outlook or express...
i am waiting for the devices to be out in the market..
dell and HTC HDD is the one i am looking for...
I posted a question in MSDN forums and I am not getting clears answers there.
http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...s/thread/fb28aeec-7dbb-4c92-890a-a7763ae82b60
The Windows Phone Radio podcast has answered this question and they say that there is full Outlook integration, and that's aside from the already robust Exchange ActiveSync capabilities.
Thank you. That is a sigh of relief. I am going to get one now as soon as possible.
Spoke too soon. Other posts clarify that it will not be supported.
I cannot believe that WP7 does not sync with outlook. This is a dealbreaker for me, I have to be able to sync my work laptops outlook calendar and contacts with my phone!!
I was just about to buy one, looks like I`ll be forced to buy android.
Bummer.
WP7 will sync with outlook but not OFFLINE outlook i.e. Outlook not connected to Exchange or Cloud. So if you want to move your contacts and all apointments from PST file to WP7, you have to sync them to the cloud first.
I was hunting around last night looking for a solution to this, and the only software I can find which will perform a periodic sync of my work outlook calendar up into the cloud is google calendar sync - the irony that I`m forced to use google to solve this problem is not lost on me!!
I know there is a microsoft supplied outlook addin for hotmail - but its not much good for this problem - you have to MANUALLY drag appointments from outlook calendar to get them up into the cloud.
I would be interested to hear how others are going to address this problem - are there other solutions out there??
Doesn't look to me that there is a solution to this sort of wait for someone to write a program to do so or have MS release an update to Zune to do so.
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Doesn't look to me that there is a solution to this sort of wait for someone to write a program to do so or have MS release an update to Zune to do so.
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I think theres lot of ways round this, I just posted one method already!!!
Interested to hear how others will approach it.
That is the whole point. I don't want to put my personal and businee contacts and appointments onto the CLOUD. I just don't trust them with the privacy and security.
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That is the whole point. I don't want to put my personal and businee contacts and appointments onto the CLOUD. I just don't trust them with the privacy and security.
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I hear you, and Im not super keen on the concept either.
The only smartphone that nativley supports local outlook sync is iphone.
Well then that sux. I am all for WP7 par this. Any one has any idea about the REAL technical reasons behind this?
This doesn't sound encouraging.
I too have a similar issue. My company doesn't allow connecting to the Exchange server from personal phones and local Outlook sync was the only way for me to keep track of the meetings / tasks (also contacts) through my personal phone (Fuze).
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Well then that sux. I am all for WP7 par this. Any one has any idea about the REAL technical reasons behind this?
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There is no specific technical barrier that stops this. Its a conscious design decision to leave it out.
And theres no guarantee that MS` new closed approach to WP7 will mean that 3rd parties are allowed to write a local sync solution, either. Time will tell on that one.
The cloud is the future, aparrently, like it or not.
I am also concerned about my Outlook data. having my data in the Cloud bothers me too, I want the data with me not online. It doesn't matter how careful I am with data, anthing that is not under my direct control is at risk.
For example I have an email address shared only with friends which was all fine until one of my friend fell foul of a social network scam, not my email address is out in the wild and I'm recieving spam. i may be tech savvy, but some people should be allowed near a PC or phone. I don't want to put personal data in the Cloud only to have someone hack MS and gain access. Can you image a list of peoples diary saying where they are and when they are not at home, please come and rob me.
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I am also concerned about my Outlook data. having my data in the Cloud bothers me too, I want the data with me not online. It doesn't matter how careful I am with data, anthing that is not under my direct control is at risk.
For example I have an email address shared only with friends which was all fine until one of my friend fell foul of a social network scam, not my email address is out in the wild and I'm recieving spam. i may be tech savvy, but some people should be allowed near a PC or phone. I don't want to put personal data in the Cloud only to have someone hack MS and gain access. Can you image a list of peoples diary saying where they are and when they are not at home, please come and rob me.
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Take a pragmatic look at what data about you is out there on the internet and make a considered, risk based approach. If after that you still don`t like contacts and calendar events in the cloud, WP7 is not for you.
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Take a pragmatic look at what data about you is out there on the internet and make a considered, risk based approach. If after that you still don`t like contacts and calendar events in the cloud, WP7 is not for you.
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Very little is out there about me that I don't want out there. There's a difference between what is out there and what PERSONAL information I have in Outlook, which includes my diary, past and present, things I need to do, notes I make, etc.
I plan to look at WP7 once the devices are out and find out how things work myself before making a judgement either way. At the moment it's all speculation because very few people have their hands on one.
Hi All,
I use my EVO and sync to a hosted Exchange Server for Outlook 2007 email, contacts, and calendar functions.
In Outlook on the PC, I set the auto receipt acknowledgement 'off' so that if I open the email and it turns out to be spam the spammer doesn't get a 'hit'. I can't find a setting on my EVO to do the same thing. Does the EVO support this?
Fully rooted running Fresh 3.3.0.1 with KK #11 CFS kernel.
Thanks.
I am fairly certain that few, if any, mobile Exchange clients support an automatic receipt acknowledgement. I can tell you that the stock Sense email client doesn't have that feature; you will have to submit your query to the dev for your particular ROM to be sure.
Few mobile clients don't even support 'out-of-office' on/off; I have yet to see one that supports the feature you describe.
Yea, I thought that would be the case, but was hoping I was wrong. Sounds like an app opportunity for those of you that know what you're doing!
Thanks for the reply.
Wouldn't really matter though, if your Outlook is taking care of it. Rules that are run server-side on your mailbox process your email before they hit any clients, like your Evo.