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before i update to black 2.5 i hope these programs will still work.any FeedBackplease

i really want to upgrade to wm 6.
my htc tytn does seem to run slugish with wm 5.(i have done some updates)
i use the USA cingular network
rom 1.18.255.3
radio 1.35.00.11
protocol ver 32.68.7020.10h
extrom ver 1.18.255.106.
i have done a lot of searching on the forum and have seen some programs have problems. some of these have fixes like slingbox.
i want to make sure that these programs will work after the black 2.5 upgrade. so far black 2.5 seems to be the main one people like.
here is a list of programs i am worried about.
any feed back would be great.
thanks
1.sling box. (will all ver of sling box work witht the patch? what made it stop working? would that effect any other programs?)
2.tomtom ver 6 (i really hope this works still)
3.google earth
4.vnc
5.bluetooth gampad
6.webcamera plus/cool camera
7.Implus

read the wiki and do some searches before posting a new thread please

i have read the wiki for a lot of things and the many new rom updates
and read and searched a good handful of threads.
i am not asking for anything big
just a small yay or nay. on some of the listed programs.
so hence the new thread.

1 ?
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
5 ?
6 Yes
7 ?

If you actually took the time to read for a while you'd know that with any ROM some apps will be buggy, and then along comes some fixes. Stick with WM5. If you don't have time to investigate what you're getting into, don't waste your time flashing a new ROM unless you know before-hand that you're gonna run into problems. How about this. Try a ROM, add the apps you want. If you run into problems work through them like EVERYONE else, because your configuration wont be the same as someone else's, and IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO READ THREADS you'd already know what apps are buggy with WM6, and the ones not listed you can add if you experience a problem. That's how the whole problem/fix thing works. Sorry. I'm just sick of these threads everyday from people wanting to know some magical setup or which ROM is TEH BESTEST cause they just want a finished product and don't care about the learning process. When you make the jump to flash your device, you become a "tester" like everyone else. It's not rocket science, but it's not finger paints either.

Deano69 said:
1 ?
2 Yes
3 Yes
4 Yes
5 ?
6 Yes
7 ?
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cool thanks
ronfin44,
i "READ" the posts i know there are bugs.(hence the question on the programs)
why would i risk a bricked phone or waste any extra time if some one else has already found out the needed info. most of the programs i asked about are some what common. it would not be so crazy to think there are a few people here that have tried and have some feed back.
based on the feed back i will decide if i want to go farther.
is it too much to come up with a risk analysis before committing to a project?
my god if asking for some feed back on a small list was such a sin why even have a forum.

"Risk annalysis". When you decide to do something like this there's a risk, but an app that may not be "buggy" for one, may be "buggy" for another. Try 2.5, load your apps, and see if everything runs fine. It's usually not the apps that cause problems but the development of the ROM, ie a ton of fixes that follow once one has been released. The apps with a history are posted ALL over this forum. If you haven't seen any of yours then why not try the ROM and see? It's not magic. If you run into a problem, post it and we'll help ya work it out. The forum gets cluttered with so many threads asking questions that could be answered by hanging around and doing a lot of reading and using the search feature. I know the search function isn't perfect, but it works.
Advice; load 2.5, load your apps. Good luck. If you run into some problems, check the 2.5 thread FIRST for an answer, if not, POST IN THAT THREAD about the problems you're having with THAT ROM and people will be happy to help. It just keeps the forum cleaner.

I can report that IM+ 4.3 works without crashes or any downtime, although it drains the battery like a mofo (didn't on WM5), it works 1000x better than it ever did on my 8125 with WM5.0.
Edit: other versons of im+ 4.9 ect. will crash / lock up your hermes on WM6.0 roms so be aware you MUST use 4.3 or higher.

Flash Touchflo coming soon...

Link here
http://www.tolna.net/~szabika/wm/index1.htm

Psiodon said:
Link here
http://www.tolna.net/~szabika/wm/index1.htm
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this is on a wizard aint it?

if it's flash it shouldnt matter what it's on, right?

ahfunaki said:
if it's flash it shouldnt matter what it's on, right?
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I guess not if the whole thing is done in flash, do you think it could be? also wouldnt flash be quite a big program?

bennec83 said:
I guess not if the whole thing is done in flash, do you think it could be? also wouldnt flash be quite a big program?
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The Flash Lite run-time (cab) itself is very small, about 800K. The size of the application built of course would depend on the application itself. As flash itself is vector based, the application can be very optimised if the developer use vector graphics instead of bitmap like jpg as much as possible.
You can get the Flash Lite cab for Windows Mobile from Adobe site at:
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/flashlite.html

Guess I'll have to keep an eye out for this

yeah its done in flash and the whole thing is probablly really really small as bchau mentioned its vector, if we get the source flash we can easily modify it to our liking

Looks interesting and very promising

Looks great!

Hmm..Ok when the cube thing came out for the first time, it was a hype for a short time. Its not that special. Its not that new, Iphone was the first with so called "touchflo". Like the design. But touchflo just dont work on the Hermes. So people want to copy it and make their own version of it. It just takes alot of space and there will always be bugs..

Don't know why people bother so much creating something that is not so useful. If you have to press any button to be able to show the cube it is useless. Maybe it looks nice but the main features are also included into htc home. The one thing that would be realy useful from touchflo is the "dragging" instead of scrolling...

Bram87 said:
Hmm..Ok when the cube thing came out for the first time, it was a hype for a short time. Its not that special. Its not that new, Iphone was the first with so called "touchflo". Like the design. But touchflo just dont work on the Hermes. So people want to copy it and make their own version of it. It just takes alot of space and there will always be bugs..
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well for me, i don't even want the cube; but the ability to do drag&throw to a list would be useful.
so I'll watch the "TouchNav" thread closely:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=321242

it's fun to have but i don't think anything special.

Any application that can provide one handed operation for most common functions is a welcomed app by me. I am currently using spb today and though it lacks the ability to really truely customize it, it beats the hell out of having 10 different plugins trying to create the same effect. Flash is a new thing for mobile interfaces so you should support it every chance you get. As you can see some really truely wicked things can be done with it in a decent footprint. With that being said, SOMETIMES its easier to start from scratch instead of reverse engineer something. There are enough threads, questions, flames to show there are enough people interested in such an application. He has not worked on it long it seems and its almost completed as well as doing work for the whoneedsaniphone project.
So, keep up the good work developers, you are appeaciated by those who can see the potential for fully customized applications.

I'll be watching this thread with interest as Flash can do some amazing things so lets see what our developers can come up with.

Will Donate For Answer!!!

Hey guys, I think I posted this in the wrong forum yesterday, so I figured it may help to be more specific to my device. Let me say, I will donate 50 dollars to the first person that can help me with this. And I have literally read every spec of information on the PPCgeeks Kitchen and each individual ROM, and not seen anyone else post this problem. So I'm pretty much begging for the answer now.
I have tried to use the vogue kitchen from ppcgeeks for a week now. I installed it, and ran the updater. Just to clear it up, I've re-installed it almost ten times now, and still get the same problem.
Anyway, after I bring up the program, it brings up the window to choose which ROM selection I want to use. I've tried three different ones , from three different people, with and without GPS, and no help. When I choose which one I want, It brings up the list to make my selections. I go thru and choose the boot screens, and then the apps I want (I've even tried almost every possible combination of apps to see if that would help), then I click the Icon in the toolbar that starts the ROM build.
After I start the build it brings up the window to make donations, then the window that shows the build progress. It goes through a bunch of stuff like scanning files, and creating things I know nothing about. Then it pops up an error message at the same spot every time. It says that it can't find a folder , and wont go any further. The folder it asks for is located in:::
"My Computer/ C drive/ Document & Settings/ "my user name"/Application Data/ hIq INC "
The folder it asks for ends in .layout or something very close to that.
Like I said though, I've tried every single thing I can do! Re-Installation, New downloads, everything possible. Guys, I've literally read everything on this program, and never found this before. So IM BEGGING FOR YOUR HELP. I will donate like I said, 50 dollars to the first person to help me fix this. If it's a file Im missing could you post it, or even if it's a step Im missing, I dont care! ILL DONATE THE SECOND I GET THE HELP!! So please guys, help me out!!!!

Reproduce the behavior, take a screenshot of the error message you are describing and attach the screenshot to a reply.
Also, with the screenshot of the error, indicate the operating system, version and the account on the computer security rights (i.e. Windows XP service pack 2 Administrator -or- Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Power User).
There has got to be a reason behind the error.

remember that wqhen you are selecting the oem apps to have on the new rom build make sure you are paying attention to the colors if you select something and it is shaded yellow it means it needs something else selected first so that it can work and so forth

TweakMan said:
Hey guys, I think I posted this in the wrong forum yesterday, so I figured it may help to be more specific to my device. Let me say, I will donate 50 dollars to the first person that can help me with this. And I have literally read every spec of information on the PPCgeeks Kitchen and each individual ROM, and not seen anyone else post this problem. So I'm pretty much begging for the answer now.
I have tried to use the vogue kitchen from ppcgeeks for a week now. I installed it, and ran the updater. Just to clear it up, I've re-installed it almost ten times now, and still get the same problem.
Anyway, after I bring up the program, it brings up the window to choose which ROM selection I want to use. I've tried three different ones , from three different people, with and without GPS, and no help. When I choose which one I want, It brings up the list to make my selections. I go thru and choose the boot screens, and then the apps I want (I've even tried almost every possible combination of apps to see if that would help), then I click the Icon in the toolbar that starts the ROM build.
After I start the build it brings up the window to make donations, then the window that shows the build progress. It goes through a bunch of stuff like scanning files, and creating things I know nothing about. Then it pops up an error message at the same spot every time. It says that it can't find a folder , and wont go any further. The folder it asks for is located in:::
"My Computer/ C drive/ Document & Settings/ "my user name"/Application Data/ hIq INC "
The folder it asks for ends in .layout or something very close to that.
Like I said though, I've tried every single thing I can do! Re-Installation, New downloads, everything possible. Guys, I've literally read everything on this program, and never found this before. So IM BEGGING FOR YOUR HELP. I will donate like I said, 50 dollars to the first person to help me fix this. If it's a file Im missing could you post it, or even if it's a step Im missing, I dont care! ILL DONATE THE SECOND I GET THE HELP!! So please guys, help me out!!!!
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hmm thats sort of strange. are you sure that you have everything that you need all in the same folder on the same drive? ie if you have it in c:\program files\ppckitchen.org\buildos, then be sure to have your selections as well as your oems/kitchens/etc all in that same folder too. make sure you have only one buildos folder and that everything is located there and that you are running it from there only. i know that sounds dumb, but i had an issue with it and...thought i might as well throw it out there.
keep us posted/updated!
p.s. which drive do you have it on, and which os are you on/using?

TWEAKMAN
Hey fellas, thanks for the help, but I've give up. Ive tried everything. Tiermann, you all, ppcgeeks, everyone has helped, and nothing will work. It keeps asking for the same file with ANY COMBO of apps. 1 , 10, even when I try it with no apps selected. I've tried every rom selection I can find. I'm just going to try it on a different computer when I get a chance. But it doesn't make sense. I have a wicked pc. So im not sure. But thanks to everyone who has spent time helping out here. I will try again with a dif pc, but I'm going to keep messin with this till I find the cause. That way if it happens to someone else, then we can help them. But again, thanks guys.

TweakMan said:
Hey fellas, thanks for the help, but I've give up. Ive tried everything. Tiermann, you all, ppcgeeks, everyone has helped, and nothing will work. It keeps asking for the same file with ANY COMBO of apps. 1 , 10, even when I try it with no apps selected. I've tried every rom selection I can find. I'm just going to try it on a different computer when I get a chance. But it doesn't make sense. I have a wicked pc. So im not sure. But thanks to everyone who has spent time helping out here. I will try again with a dif pc, but I'm going to keep messin with this till I find the cause. That way if it happens to someone else, then we can help them. But again, thanks guys.
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Vista or XP?, which Service Pack

X1 Panles from MODACO: Working Almost PERFECT!

Hi all,
Firstly, Posting this in a seperate thread, as SINGH here is getting a bit annoyed seeing me write about someone else doing similar project, in his thread. People have to have a open mind too, when it comes to developing, and should appreciate other people's work and not be insecure about their project.
This is just like different members here developing great roms for us. But we all know every rom here, suits some, doesnt suit some. And most of us here keep switching from ROM to ROM, just to try out new stuff, and i see the ROM developers here are very open to people using other roms and reporting in their thread about it, discussing out the goods of other ROM, in another ROM's thread. Rom Builders i have seen, in this forum, have been very open to this and are taking up good bits from others. Only when this is there, we have a neat and healthy run going on with new roms coming up.
Enough of this for now,
This is to present you the work of PAUL, the ADMIN at MODACO, and he has compiled these in a very good manner and is working great.
I have been using the Panels by MODACO from past 2 days nonstop now, and its working SUPERB, without any hangups at all, and i have been switching from the Fish Panel to X1 Panel to Mobile Shell Panel and they are all working just perfect. No extra Battery Drain, no big jump in memory usage, no Slowing of device, No Hangups either.
Only problem, to say if, i see is that changing between panels, is taking a few seconds, and is not instant. And it can't be assigned to a hardware button.
Please have a look here to download and know more of it.
http://www.modaco.com/content/blackstone-blackstone-modaco-com/276540/panels-on-touch-hd-installer/
Please install it at your own risk, as Paul clearly states it as EARLY BETA!, for me, It works Perfect. might not for you. But if u are game enough, then go ahead, try it out, i hope it will work just perfect for you too!
Thanks again to PAUL @ MODACO.
PS: Singh's cab when it comes out, surely must be much better than this as he is working on it in depth, and sorting out these delay problems too, i dont deny this, but as of now, to play around, Modaco has something for you. I highly respect SINGH's work on the Panels, and wish him best of luck.

For clarity, Modaco's version does not work perfectly and has all the constraints and issues that have prevented !SINGH! from releasing a CAB.
Many of insane devil's comments are valid but please don't be misled into thinking that this is a fully functional solution. Use with caution and in the expectation of lots of soft resets.
If you are desperate to have something to show to your mates, go for it, otherwise read all the stuff in !SINGH!'s thread about why it's not currently working and accept that this is a real challenge, technically.

Fraser, have u used the Modaco's cab?
Personally, still going on good with the panels at 2.5 days, i have not had to make any resets till now, and memory hasn't gone up above 58% usage,(for me, without panels, usually its around 55-56%). And best part is, i havn't even disabled the TF3D! so i have both working perfectly well. and i just hope it goes on like that for a long time! Even if i have a reset right now, its still good score having to reset it once in 2.5 days. Singh will be able to package it better and do away the flaws that i mention below, for sure, no doubt in that. But for now, this works as near perfect.
I just dont understand why everyone is making such a big deal of it, while it is working just fine. As i did say, the only problem is that the Panel's choice menu, takes a few seconds to load (takes 8-9 Seconds on mine), which is ok as of now, to think it is something new, but once u are on a panel, and dont intend to change it every few minutes, this shouldnt be a problem at all.
Another Flaw is that when the HOME button is pressed (having TF3D enabled) it goes to TF3D, and the Panels shut down. So again have to open Panels and select the one u want.
Lastly, it cant be mapped to a button. Best way is to have that to show on ur start menu. And then select from there. OR Have it as a "favourite" app on the X1 Panel / SPB Mobile Shell panel, and select it right from your screen, close to your finger.

You are right, working really good! Personally I do not notice any particular slowness even in switching between them (2-3 secs). As you said not perfect but usable.
Still have to fully test stability though.

I also installed it.
Basically it is OK.
It is not so slow as I think.
I encountered 2 episodes of hanging.
1) switching to TF3D without closing panel, then open and close communication panel.
2) switching to TF3D without closing panel, then soft reset.
It then hanged upon the green window mobile screen.
Otherwise, it is good.
Probably, complete closing of panel is essential.

So can you:
Use the Media Panel? No
Use the Facebook Panel? No
Use the Radio Panel? No
Switch between panels more than 5-10 times without a soft reset? Probably not
So it's not working perfectly then. Even the posts over on Modaco say that.
At the moment this remains no more than a toy and again, to the inexperienced and unwary I would say by all means try this, but please do so in full awareness of the issues it may cause.

I've been using the xperia panel from this morning and I had no soft resets till now. Actually I really like this panel because it's really comprehensive. No problems not having media, facebook and radio because I can have shortcuts on the panel itself for those. As for the switching I did played a lot the first hour without any issue but I don't think that you will switch tons of times a day in any case.
That said I think it's only a good thing if many people work on the same thing you know, competition just gives you one more reason to work harder...

really perfect
nice work madaco

Hey.. just installed. It is running good, no issues as yet. Will update if any... Thanks for sharing this with us.

iain.fraser said:
So can you:
Use the Media Panel? No
Use the Facebook Panel? No
Use the Radio Panel? No
Switch between panels more than 5-10 times without a soft reset? Probably not
So it's not working perfectly then. Even the posts over on Modaco say that.
At the moment this remains no more than a toy and again, to the inexperienced and unwary I would say by all means try this, but please do so in full awareness of the issues it may cause.
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Really sad to see that u dont like it one bit, Fraser, but then, its ok. Afterall, people are slowly staring to use it now, and they are also having great experience. Maybe you should give it a go again, you might have a problem with the rom that u are using, which is popping troubles while using the Panels.
About the Media Facebook and Radio panels, frankly fraser, we gotta be less picky when it comes to stuff not meant for our phones. And anyway, the best panels are the X1 panel, SPB Mobile shell panel and the Today screen panel (have pocketplus today plugin+inesoft addressbook plugin+messages+calendar+tasks). And for the Fancy use, the Fish panel is the best. All these three panels are working superb!
to All:
I haven't had resets at all till now, but in next five minutes my phone will get reset as my battery is on 1% now, and i am waiting it to switch off completely, and then put it to recharge, as am using a new high capacity battery, which needs to be charged only after being discharged compeltely for first 2-3 cycles.
Till now, i didnt have any hangups with using TF3D together. And i am switching to TF3D once for 2-3 minutes once every half hour to see the stock update on the "stocks" page in TF3D, very useful for me!
Just keep playing around, maybe it will get set in a few days once it gets used to your rom.
Anyone here knows where we can get more panels, which are made by developers other than SE themselves? i had read somewhere that there is a site which has them, but not getting it now.

Well a bit disappointing. I follow the thread on Modaco and i was happy to see this posting, but old news. Still no update and the first release was last year.

Well for something not designed for our device it runs rather well.
Actually I really like the way the default x1 panel was designed since it has almost all the essential features of tf3d in one single screen and also the way that rss feeds work that from my point of view, tf3d lacks on this matter.
I strongly recommend to all of you to test it just for the experience since in the worst case scenario you will just soft reset your device and you can uninstall it at any time.
Have fun...

i also installed it a few weeks ago. it's working perfectly on my device. sometimes it will freeze and i have to softreset but everything works fine to me.

Is there any chance this might work on a vogue?

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Really sad to see that u dont like it one bit, Fraser, but then, its ok.
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Just keep playing around, maybe it will get set in a few days once it gets used to your rom.
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To be clear, it's not in the least bit about what I like and don't like, it's about the fact that this is imperfect and people, especially the many noobs on this site need to be aware of that fact.
I'm delighted for you that your version seems to be working, if highly sceptical. But please do some reading on the various Panels threads already in existence dating back to November and you will find abundant evidence of proper testing that confirms this is the exception rather than the norm. You have uncovered nothing new, merely Modaco's cruder version of the work !SINGH! produced for beta testing back at the end of November. Neither work properly for most people, irrespective of the amount of time you allow for it to get 'used to your rom'...!!
The reason !SINGH! did not release his version is because the many people on the site who treat it as a helpdesk would have inundated him with 'you broke my phone...' nonsense. Frankly I'm not in the least bit interested whether people install it or not, I just think sweeping and inaccurate statements like 'it works perfectly' are dangerous and need to be balanced out by the weight of evidence.
So to all: please do as you wish, just do so in full knowledge of all the facts - I hope it works for you

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I just think sweeping and inaccurate statements like 'it works perfectly' are dangerous and need to be balanced out by the weight of evidence.
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never have I agreed more with a statement on this board. Absolutely well said Iain!!

I think that if you read the 1st post (and not just the title) it is VERY clear that it's a beta and you install it at your own risk (like anything you can download from here, developed by highly skilled people but nonetheless without ANY guarantee). This is again stated at Modaco's. I really don't understand why you repeat the same (obvious) alerts many times. That said I'm suggesting something new here, why not start a poll to state the usefullness/stability of this panel version. That could help the common user to decide wether to give it a try or not.

Firstly.. Why create a new thread????????????
modaco created one long ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=453624
It's been dead a month.. with not a single post, but it is exactly the same as this thread.! Take the hint. It's no longer being worked on!
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never have I agreed more with a statement on this board. Absolutely well said Iain!!
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I was weary on saying anything.. then I saw this post, and I too agree with what Iain & Mallman said.
I made a comment on the other thread at the start of Dec2008
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2996255&postcount=350
In that post.. I actually told them how to re-create exactly what Paul had.
Just that sweeping statements that said Perfectly.. and Brilliantly,.. for noobs with a new HD in their hands..
Perfectly = I have to have it and it won't break my phone.
and it is far far far from stable or perfect. You will learn in due time. This I know as there is no way your HD was manufactured more stable at running modaco's panels cab than any other HD on the planet.
It is flaky... and if you had read the other thread (which i know you were posting in in Nov last year)...you would know there are those way before yourself that said exactly the same.. then stated later on..' Ok.. it is bad'.. or 'it's caused hang ups... and i have de-installed it'.... have you forgotten?
Some of those are ones that made me furious and made me question why I would even bother continuing..
anyways.. I leave you to your thread...
Iain... Nice to see you mate!
Mallman.. You gets everywhere!
Have a great 2009 to you both.
PS.. I agree with the never a more correct statement ever made on here than Iains
PPS.. And If you want to advance it some.. Work on what i put on that post above.. and you can see clearly what you need to do to get to Pauls stage..and then work forward to giving everyone on here a stable version...for me too
PPPS .. You got the Title wrong... ITS X1 Panels not Panles!

I hope someone somewhere gets a working version soon, my 1 year old daughter loves the fish and I love anything that gives daddy some peace and quiet

to add what singh has already explained, i also has already tried and install the panels from modaco almost a month now.
yes it seems work alright for couple days... but eventually u will experience hangs more then b4 trust me... those panels are still inside my hd. but i never touch it anymore... do it only to show off that the hd can play the x1 panels... and show kids the fish... ofcourse after that i must reset as it create freeze.
so for you who wanted to try.. try it... but no 1 to blame hereee install the cab try the panels. and stop using it. it will give you screen freeze more day by day!!
singh i hope u still developing the x1 panel for our beloved hd bro!!!!

Checkbook app?

i was wondering if anyone knows of a good simple free checkbook applicatoin..
all i want is ability to make catagories, put in + or - amounts and make notes, i had one a long time ago i liked but lost it when my last phone died. the one thing it didnt do was pass the balance to the next month. would be nice if it has some form of stats and ability to text to a emal account a spreedsheet of some sort.
just curious if anyone knows of anything thanks..

What about Excel Mobile....

thats an idea i didnt think of. but i never have worked with spreedsheets much. was hoping something simple was already made. i was using money manager by 8mobile for a long time, but it is acting weird in my phone. the input screen numbers are tweaked out, and for some dang reason every number i enter in the thing adds a 0 to it. so 1 =10 10=100 never had that problem with it on my behold and since its a java app i thought it would run fine on here.
thanks for the input ill look into it was just looking for something simple and really easy lol

you can try millomoney. its simple and free

i have seen that one listed but out of the 10 links i found for it everyone of them is dead no page...
do you know of a good link or anyone got it to send to me?

here ya go. better than other links. may not be the newest one but give it a try.
when adding a new entry u cant see the description line but just scroll down and it will let you edit it even tho you cant see it all.

thanks but after installing its not saving anything, even installed it to the phone not the sim. i input a + or minus then goto view and it shows nothing.