There are so many people and so many topics on how to "Disable Sense". Why get a Desire if you don't like Sense?
I mean, fair enough if this was a hero but the Desire and the Nexus are pretty much exactly the same phone. If you don't like Sense then get a nexus.
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I Spent Months Hopping between Laggy, unfinished Sense ROM's on my G1 just so I could have the Style of it Even happier now I have it with a 1Ghz Processor
But yeah, Seems odd to buy a desire then want to remove the Sense UI, Like buying a Red car and wanting it Sprayed blue.
don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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Most people on here bought the phone unlocked.
For those who are on contracts, the Nexus will be on vodafone soon and will (apparently) also be free. Why not wait, it will only be a few weeks...
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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damn you and your logic! can;t we just have a rant once in a while!
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don't suppose you considered the nexus one is more expensive and not yet availible (easily) in the uk.
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So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
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killyouridols said:
So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
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Maybe people do really want the phone, or a N1, but don't want sense. Why do you think that they have to stay together, that having one means having the other? Did you ever run the default Window Mobile ROM/Shell/Applications for the life of the device when you (likely, given the forum) owned a WM handset?
I don't really like the look of sense, and I'm likely going to disable it on my Desire. The Desire also has (slightly) more RAM, those hardware buttons, and the optical trackpad. All three things I prefer over the N1. Only downside is the lack of second mic..
I got my desire for free on a £15/mo 24mo contract. There's no way I could get a Nexus One today on T-Mobile with the contract I have.
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Most people on here bought the phone unlocked.
For those who are on contracts, the Nexus will be on vodafone soon and will (apparently) also be free. Why not wait, it will only be a few weeks...
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cause i'm already locked to an orange contract maybe?
I love Sense but I understand those who bought the Desire but want to get rid of Sense. Nexus One is only available (officially) in the US, UK, Singapore and Hong-Kong. Where I live the Nexus One can be bought from some online stores but it costs 100 euros more than the Desire.
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So why buy something that you don't really want or not happy with? I understand its easier to get a Desire then a Nexus, but would you really buy one if its not what you want? There are Better options out there if you really want Eclair 2.1, Not buy a Sense UI phone and try to Remove the key aspects of it.
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i am happy with it and i will be happy even more if i can remover SENSE which is what you are ranting about i give you a valid reason yet you still try to prove to me that spending more money on something that does exactly the same is a good idea?
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i am happy with it and i will be happy even more if i can remover SENSE which is what you are ranting about i give you a valid reason yet you still try to prove to me that spending more money on something that does exactly the same is a good idea?
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That's the idea of a Civil "Conversation"....Try it some time....
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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i still use sense as i preffer the sense widgets etc just hate the bar across the bottom, and if it is easy to remove sense surely its better to save some money, and remove it?
what a bloody stupid question. as you say the phones are almost identical, the desire is free for most people and disabling sence is easy so of course people are going to get the desire. if they don't like since, they'll ask how to remove it. now go and find something to occupy your mind so things like this don't wind you up.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone who has done this, I just don't get the point. What exactly is wrong with sense, it actually improves Android. Why go so far to remove it from a phone which has Sense included, If you're that bothered get a Nexus One, or wait for something else to come on the market.
Not only that, remove all HTC Widgets from the homescreen and replace them with google ones and all you have is a launcher which is exactly the same as the "Vanilla" one except having a themed task launcher.
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Well ignoring the fact that I like the buttons on the Desire, and the trackpad, over the N1s ball and touch buttons.. for a second.
The Nexus One is on Expansys for £584.99 right now. So that's exactly £584.99 more than I paid for the Desire, which I like more than the Nexus One, hardware wise anyway. I'd have to have a contract with a carrier for a decent data plan as it is, so I may as well get the 'free' handset.
So why wouldn't I get the Desire and run stock Android on it, like a Nexus One. If that's the UI I prefer?
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Well ignoring the fact that I like the buttons on the Desire, and the trackpad, over the N1s ball and touch buttons.. for a second.
The Nexus One is on Expansys for £584.99 right now. So that's exactly £584.99 more than I paid for the Desire, which I like more than the Nexus One, hardware wise anyway. I'd have to have a contract with a carrier for a decent data plan as it is, so I may as well get the 'free' handset.
So why wouldn't I get the Desire and run stock Android on it, like a Nexus One. If that's the UI I prefer?
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yep same story for me spend near £600 on a nexus 1 or spend £400 on a desire which can easily be modded to be the same as a nexus 1
Blimey guys - Get a life!
I find it amazing that you all get wound up over nothing.
Now if it was Iraq of Afganistan then I could maybe understand.
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Blimey guys - Get a life!
I find it amazing that you all get wound up over nothing.
Now if it was Iraq of Afganistan then I could maybe understand.
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its more that i get annoyed that people are willing to have a go at people for their own personal preference
Its the same for me, nexus only available through black market for a steep price and the desire is freely available. Have to say i don't hate Sense, but being able to run the basic homescreen is fun as well.
The same goes vice versa, n1 users that want sense on their phone but didn't wait for the desire.
Sometimes people choose a phone because its available sooner or looks better in their opinion, it doesn't mean they have to "love" the interface that comes along with it. Thats the point of android, tweak and change it to whatever the hell you want.
I like Sense UI, but I can understand why people who don't still want the Desire over the Nexus One, even if you don't count the price and availability.
For a start its similar hardware to the Nexus One but it isn't identical. The "real" buttons are better on the Desire, I don't like those non-button touch sensitive buttons on the Nexus One. The Desire has the optical pad rather than a track ball.
Second, if you could disable Sense on the Desire you would have a choice of either and could switch at will. I say "if" because I don't seem to be able to disable Sense on mine, but that's another story.
But to really sum things up, here is a quote from the Desire page on HTC's website:
Make It Mine
With the HTC Desire, it’s all about your information, your entertainment, your multimedia … your way
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Perhaps it should read "your way... as long as your way is to use Sense".
Android was designed so that you could install alternatives for pretty much every part, it was considered an important fundamental goal in the design. I don't think that choosing a phone that includes Sense should have to mean sacrificing that core philosophy. Its all about choice, right?
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Loved everything about the desire, but found out that HTC are no better than Apple for locking down there phones and bricking people who want to flash custom roms;(
This goes against everything i thought the android movement stood for!
So HTC you should hang your head in shame for scaring people that want to tweak and customise their phones to there own spec... This whole usb bricking thing has now made me sell my Desire and im buying a N1....
HTC Stink and Google rule!!!
JD
Same thing can happen on the N1 too you know?
No it cant,
I have had a chat on twitter with paul tonight, its impossible to brick an N1
You can brick anything, from a PSP to a Nokia 3310, just different chances/issues.
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No it cant,
I have had a chat on twitter with paul tonight, its impossible to brick an N1
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Nothing's unbrickable - the N1 is just a lot harder!!
Yes, the problem with the Desire is that it "bricks" randomly without doing anything wrong apparently.
But I can promise you that if you update radio and pull out the battery during that on a N1, it will be bricked.
But that's not the sort of thing you're expected to do
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Yes very true
Well its very sad because i loved the desire, HTC killed the fun;(
Welcome to the world of N1))
JD
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No it cant,
I have had a chat on twitter with paul tonight, its impossible to brick an N1
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Well, send me your phone and pay me $100, I can brick it for you (instructions included).
I am thinking of doing the same thing!
where and how much for did you sell your desire?
and where did you get your N1?
Don't forget to change your signature JupiterDroid!
I'm actually thinking of doing this myself. I love this phone, but without a stable root I just don't trust it. I just bought a great case for it as well! How much did you get for your Desire and where are you getting your N1?
Well thats not entirely fair is it? Yes there is a current issue with the flashing bricking phones but it's being worked on. When it get fixed and full root is acomplished (and i'm shure they will) it'll be just as "open" as the n1.
after all, if and when it's acomplished i'm sure i would miss the hardware buttons (i come from a touch hd and it is NOT the same!!) and maybe someday also the little bitty extra ram and personally, i prefer trackpad to trackball.
I get your frustration and you are entitle dto buy any phone you want but isn't this a bit exagerated?
Only my two cents!! Best of luck with the N1, it's a gras phone!
PS: maybe you shoud stick around and wait for Galaxy S (even if it is a Samsung!!!!)
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... Yes there is a current issue with the flashing bricking phones but it's being worked on. When it get fixed...
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do you have any source for the information you post here ?
dont forget that some people can decide if they buy or not this phone just because what you've just said. if its not exactly as you said or maybe just a rumor\guess\wishful thinking - you can make many people disappointed.
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do you have any source for the information you post here ?
dont forget that some people can decide if they buy or not this phone just because what you've just said. if its not exactly as you said or maybe just a rumor\guess\wishful thinking - you can make many people disappointed.
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http://android.modaco.com/content-p...nd-os-to-1-21-support/page/1900/#entry1285776
for what it's worth, dunno.
all who this nexus is unbrickable, i kinda just stumble upon this, wasnt even a search.... i wonder how many i could find with a search...... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=686711
You do know that the N1 is also made by HTC, there's a reason they are so similar in hardware and design so they are not gonna care much which one you buy
Who makes the N1.... isn't it HTC
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ajeuk,
Yes, the N1 is made by HTC also. It's branded as a Google phone, but HTC built them.
I think I did read something about removing Sense from Desire to put it like a N1, and N1 can get on Sense from HTC if they "desire"...
Thought the N1 and the Desire were pretty much the same phone!
- I wouldnt jump ship unless I was getting the Galaxy S (although dont really like the look of it ... - battery life on it sounds very very good though...)
so I pretty much decided I'm getting the HTC Desire over the Nexus one, but now with the Desire HD's release about 1 month away I'm debating whether or not to wait.
To be honest I'm in love with the HD's huge screen and looks, but looks alone don't cut it for me. I plan to jump on board the modding/rooting community as soon as I can (just starting out atm) and the Desire is the better choice when it comes to that since its been rooted and messed around with already.
I just worry that I will have to wait a very long time for the Desire HD to be rooted successfully, or it will turnout to be hard to hack and play with like the Nexus one and Desire as I want to try my hand at some hacking myself.
what do you think I should do?
Thanks in advance
EDIT: ok thanks everyone for the replies, I've pretty much decided to go with the Desire. I need a phone I can play around with right away so the Desire would be the better choice. Maybe in the near future when I need a new phone android phones will be more out of the box hacker friendly (hints @ HTC)
If I were you I'd take the HD, but after hTC's stunt with the T-Mobile G2, I'm not so sure at all. If you really want to customise your phone properly, then your best bet would be the Desire.
I'm after the HD now, as i'm a phone whore. So if you want a Desire £230 if you fancy it, unbranded, used but never damaged. Screen mint, phone mint. PM if your interested.
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I'm after the HD now, as i'm a phone whore. So if you want a Desire £230 if you fancy it, unbranded, used but never damaged. Screen mint, phone mint. PM if your interested.
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thank you for the offer, but i'm still trying to decide between both phones. do post back and tell me how the HD was though
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If I were you I'd take the HD, but after hTC's stunt with the T-Mobile G2, I'm not so sure at all. If you really want to customise your phone properly, then your best bet would be the Desire.
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what stunt? and i am leaning more towards the desire at the moment because its more customizable. i'll look around the Desire HD forum for more info, maybe that will help me decide.
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thank you for the offer, but i'm still trying to decide between both phones. do post back and tell me how the HD was though
what stunt? and i am leaning more towards the desire at the moment because its more customizable. i'll look around the Desire HD forum for more info, maybe that will help me decide.
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here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/10/06...epair-if-rooted-modding-community-cries-foul/
Desire!
definetly a Desire. A guy at work got one today and i was well jelous until i saw it in the flesh.
The screen is bigger but the resolution isnt much higher than the desire resulting in a big average screen.
Obviously the cloud features are a benifit but no doublt a custom rom will turn up with them on sooner or later.
Aye. supposedly we're going to get the HD sense package for our desires in December too! w00t.
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I think you should go for Desire. Spending more money just for HD features when your use is mainly for modding - ahhh... doesnt make sense to me
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Hey, what do you mean by Free of Market Restrictions? (sorry for going offtopic)
I have a Desire and wanted a Desire HD. Until I noticed, it's not the hardware I want. It's the software.
I think the design of the Desire is better.
I also like the physical buttons more. (My mom got a Wildfire, I had using it cause I always accidently hit the capatative buttons).
I think the size is perfect. Sometimes I feel like I wouldn't mind if the Desire was bigger. At other times when using with 1 hand, I find it a bit big.
It's the nw HTC Sense that I noticed I REALLY want. And I'm gonna get that anyway. Officially or modded.
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I have a Desire and wanted a Desire HD. Until I noticed, it's not the hardware I want. It's the software.
I think the design of the Desire is better.
I also like the physical buttons more. (My mom got a Wildfire, I had using it cause I always accidently hit the capatative buttons).
I think the size is perfect. Sometimes I feel like I wouldn't mind if the Desire was bigger. At other times when using with 1 hand, I find it a bit big.
It's the nw HTC Sense that I noticed I REALLY want. And I'm gonna get that anyway. Officially or modded.
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I share your exact same views, I really wished HTC would make a smaller sized flagship phone...
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here you go
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oh yeah, i heard that this feature was on the motorola Droid, had no idea HTC did that same thing to the G2. While the phone will most likely be sold here unbranded and unlocked, since I got Legend which was exclusively sold by vodaphone unbranded and unlocked, i think it will most likely be a built-in hardware feature regardless of whether or not its exclusive to a certain carrier. that seems to be the on going trend right now with HTC and other manufacturers.
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at the moment the Desire seems to be the better choice for me, i was considering the HD version based purely on physical looks. after seeing the HD2 in person i loved the huge screen and i thought the Desire HD will be like a buffed up android version of the HD2. i know the Desire will eventually get the updated Sense UI so i have no worries regarding the software.
As for the camera, 5MP is good enough for me when i want to take pictures on the go, otherwise i bring along a real camera with me. I don't think phone cameras are good enough to replace an actual camera just yet.
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so I pretty much decided I'm getting the HTC Desire over the Nexus one, but now with the Desire HD's release about 1 month away I'm debating whether or not to wait.
To be honest I'm in love with the HD's huge screen and looks, but looks alone don't cut it for me. I plan to jump on board the modding/rooting community as soon as I can (just starting out atm) and the Desire is the better choice when it comes to that since its been rooted and messed around with already.
I just worry that I will have to wait a very long time for the Desire HD to be rooted successfully, or it will turnout to be hard to hack and play with like the Nexus one and Desire as I want to try my hand at some hacking myself.
what do you think I should do?
Thanks in advance
EDIT: ok thanks everyone for the replies, I've pretty much decided to go with the Desire. I need a phone I can play around with right away so the Desire would be the better choice. Maybe in the near future when I need a new phone android phones will be more out of the box hacker friendly (hints @ HTC)
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I want to jump on the band wagon here cos im in the same boat, and this thread has thrown a spanner in the works!!
Ive currently got a rooted hero but lack the power from a 1ghz amongst other things....ive played in length with the Desire and genuinely love it, but its knocking on a bit now so am tempted to hold out for the Desire HD as the price is only £100 diff.
What are we saying about the new HD ? Is it likely to going to be a ball ache to do what the desire already does well.....dont get me wrong ill wait for the dev work to catch up but obviously if theres **** hard coded designed to prevent rooting is it gonna be worth it?
also im going unbranded this time....if that makes a difference (aside from the obvious lack of network restrictions!)
I'd suggest wait till the community has successfully rooted the HD, then decide
aww I was gonna go buy the Desire tomorrow, now I can't decide again haha
I can call HTC's distributor here and ask them when exactly the device will release here and how much it will be for. When i was comparing between the Nexus and Desire the price was almost the same but now there is obviously going to be a significant price difference.
I guess for me now it all comes down to the price and customization ability.
I've checked the Desire HD's forums and there seems to be a temporary root solution for it at the moment. Looks like they are still working on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=812358
Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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Okay guys I know many xda'ers don't hold apple in high regard but my girlfriend is looking to upgrade her blackberry soon. I would just like some opinions of the dinc2 and if anyone has used an ip4 as well and how do they compare? Hows the camera and video capture on dinc2? Also most likely I will be rooting her phone if she gets the dinc2 because she loves miui and wondering how easy it is to root it, Ive read the alpharev thread and I think I have the gist of it. Thanks any thoughts and opinions would be awesome.
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I have chick friends that love the inc2, and I have chick friends that love the iphone4, depends on what she or U lol plan to do to it, root, jailbreak, ect..or nothing. if she wants basic go apple. if you want great community support go android.
Its not like android would be particularly difficult to get the hang of, hell my grandpa uses a Droid X. The iPhone isn't going to do anything the inc 2 can't, at this point I think people buy apple due to the perceived status.
And rooting is very simple, its not "one-click" easy, but if you're computer literate its easy. Literally takes a couple minutes once you're ready to go.
I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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I do like the design of apple products but the company and its beloved followers I can't stand. In the end it is up to her but she weighs a lot on my opinion and told her I would ask the fine people at xda as well lol! Also I am cashing out 100 dollars to help pay for it too, and since I got a nexus, I'm hoping she pics the dinc2 .
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Put it this way. you can get an iPhone and be stuck with iOS and whatever memory size you happen to choose forever (not to mention feel bitter once the next iPhone comes out).
Or you can get the more recent, more technically advanced DInc2, and be able interchange SD cards and Batteries, and switch HTC Sense, AOSP, or MIUI (which is basically iOS, except better because you can use widgets and everything else that makes Android awesome). In my opinion, if you fall prey to the flashy logos, sleek design and massive marketing and ignore the obvious advantages of the HTC android phones, then you deserve to be pigeon-holed in with the mouth-breathers that stand outside the Apple Store all night waiting for the iPad 3 to come out so it can (not) run flash up to 3X faster!
The only problem is I wouldn't get too excited about rooting the Inc2 off the jump because if you get one now it's likely to come with Gingerbread (unless one has been sitting on a shelf for a bit). If you get one, you better get it quick. Froyo had the only known root method and no telling how long it'll take to crack Gingerbread
That said, even in the situation that I didn't root, I have the Incredible 2 and I'd take it over the iPhone easily. HTC sense is really not a bad UI at all, slower than AOSP of course but of all the manufacturer skins on top of Android, Sense UI is by far the most useful.
The biggest problem with the iPhone 4 (to me) is that it doesn't really multitask and the hardware is starting to get a bit dated. The iPhone 4 isn't "slow" by any means, but most modern Android phones will run circles around it. The Dinc2 has good battery life too, I have to absolutely abuse mine for it not to last a whole day easily
If you do happen to get one with Froyo, AlpharevX is as painless as it gets. S-off and it installs clockworkmod recovery for you if you elect to.
Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If she's coming from Blackberry and uses a ton of photo/video out of the phone the iphone may be better for you.
I switched my wife over from an Inc 1 to the iPhone and she's in love with it. The camera is unrivaled to be brutally honest, it smokes any android phones camera and i'd love for my inc2 to have the same quality.
Basically she's not a tech person, she needed easy, something that took good pictures, and battery. The inc2 has great battery but still nowhere near the IP4.
I've owned both, and I would never personally go back to an iPhone, but for my wife it was perfect for her, and she would never give hers up.
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Thanks guys, told her what you guys said and she is like 100 % sure she wants the dinc2 Now I'm excited, I get to play with 2 phones, hopefully she'll get one with froyo. If not I can always install adw or go luancher if she doesn't like sense.
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If you get one with Gingerbread on it, you can still S-OFF using the clip method.
If you're getting it new from Verizon I can't think of why it wouldn't be on froyo, unless HTC is already shipping out new units with gingerbread. Just don't take the OTA if you want root.
yeah she told me that she "didn't want to fall to the hype of iphone" lol. She just wants a bigger screen, and she always carries around a point and shoot where ever she goes so camera i'snt really that big of a deal. Also the Dinc2 is 50 dollars less than the iphone at bestbuy. All in all she goes one week to make up her mind lol!
well, the way I see it is that an iphone 4 is pretty much an ipod touch that you can make calls with. the other advantage, which is the main one i'd say, is that if you have a nice sound system in your car and the deck has an AUX in then absolutely nothing can compare with the output quality of an ipod touch/iphone.
ive tried mp3 players from creative, sansa(even with rockbox), sony, etc... even tried different phones(mytouch 3g, htc hd2, samsung galaxy s, and my current incredible 2). no matter how you adjust the eq's or what apps you use(even poweramp), they still do not compare to apple.
but, if you arent planning on doing that in your car then theres no point in getting an iphone4(especially now that android has Plants vs Zombies).
Best advice when choosing a device:
Go to a store with active devices and play with them. Spend some time with them. If you know people with the devices in mind, ask them if you can play with them and get to know them. Make the choice based on your experience, not the advice of others, because it all comes down to personal preference.
As much as I am a big fan of Android and Android devices, and despite the fact that I will never choose an iOS device, I would recommend a person try it before rejecting it.
My sister tried going from a blackberry to an Android device and found one very big legitimate problem with it. She's on Sprint and doesn't have the iPhone as a choice so she went back to blackberry. She liked Android, but that one glaring flaw was enough to push her away from it (at least for now). Of course, the same flaw exists on the iPhone so she's doomed to be stuck on blackberry (yeah, I hate blackberry).
If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.
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If you want to know the flaw: She can make calls and do certain tasks without looking at her device. With Android, she was unable to do this. I'm betting with something like a Droid Pro this wouldn't be an issue, and the voice command features Android has acquired more recently would help a little, but it's not where she could get as proficient at it as she is with her blackberry.
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
EDIT: NVM.. I think I figured out what you might be referring to. That's an issue I have as well, but voice is a big help in it (even if not 100%).
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of certain tasks? Is it a difference between having physical buttons versus softkeys?
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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).
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Something like that. It's mostly a problem with her particular usage. She gets tactile feedback for what she is trying to do and can generally get things done without looking at her device. She's a pretty big multitasker so this is important to her. Unfortunately, this also helps her use her device in the car (I wish she wouldn't TBH).
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Tactile feel = knowing keyboard layout. I was real good at punching out emails on my 9700 without looking at it for most of the email. Same with the car use, which I definitely no longer do (despite the fact that it is now also illegal here).
Curiosity answered.. Thanks.
So idk how many of you are like me and follow popular android blogs like Droid-life or Android Central, but lately there has been a crazy amount of discussion about all these new super phones that are coming out in the next few months. And also if you are like me, then your contract is going to be up around the holiday season or a little after because that is 20 months after our phone was released.
I am just trying to get a little discussion going about what you think your next phone will be, you can answer my poll and/or just talk about what you are looking for in your next phone. Going for a 4.3in screen? Is 4.5in too big? Must be LTE? Needs HD (720p+) screen? Sticking with HTC? Liking the idea of Google/Moto merger? Ice Cream Sandwich or nothing? Will the next Nexus phone come to Verizon? These are just some of the questions that I am curious about and I'm sure that others are too. Happy discussion!
I love htc phones, dont ask me why. I also love sense, so sonething dual core, 4g capable, sense 3.0 or whatever is newest. Rootable. Has to be verizon, right now i wouldnt change.
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I came from the Eris (got my Inc on eBay), so my contract is actually up next week. I'm probably going to get the Vigor if it has everything that is rumored and actually comes out close to that date. I don't want wait til next year.
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Already jumped that boat and I'm happy.
DROID 3 lol
/droid3
The mythical DInc 3 that's rooted already. It's got 16 cores with 4 GB memory, battery never needs changing cause it's powered by love.
EDIT: Seriously, I don't know. Verizon doesn't get great reception where I'm moving, so USCC is gonna be my next carrier. I heard they're coming with 8 phones and possible LTE by fall sometime, so I'm in a holding pattern, but the Inc rocks, no hurry.
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The mythical DInc 3 that's rooted already. It's got 16 cores with 4 GB memory, battery never needs changing cause it's powered by love.
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Sign me up for a box of these lol! I am usually an HTC man myself, but I think my next phone is going to be moto (unless the Nexus ACTUALLY comes to Verizon). I know I'll probably get some **** for this, but I actually like the new Blur. My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional. But time will tell.
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Sign me up for a box of these lol! I am usually an HTC man myself, but I think my next phone is going to be moto (unless the Nexus ACTUALLY comes to Verizon). I know I'll probably get some **** for this, but I actually like the new Blur. My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional. But time will tell.
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Hey, whatever works for you man, nothing wrong with that! I like HTC, but depends on what USCC will get. Verizon likes to pass on phones, and USCC gets the best reception where I'm moving... Time will tell!
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My biggest problem with HTC is the dock on their phones: it only has 3 spaces, you can't change what they are, and one is wasted on the "personalize" menu which there are like 3 other ways to get to. New Blur lets you customize 3 dock spaces and it just seems more functional.
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You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.
Probably Nexus Prime.
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You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.
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Yeah don't get me wrong, I have been an avid launcher pro user for almost a year. But I would love to be able to just use to stock launcher and just about any one would be usable for me besides sense. And yes being able to unlock it is extremely important to me too, so new HTC phones are looking good for that reason. I am hoping that the Droid HD will follow in the footsteps of the OG.
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Probably Nexus Prime.
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We can only hope so, if that comes to Verizon it will be a glorious day.
Whatever has an AMOLED screen. Its looking like it'll be a Nokia ClearBlack running WP7 or some sort of Samsung Nexus kinda thing. I will certainly miss HTC though when I go!
I know the SLCD's aren't THAT different, but everyone is nitpicky about something and the ever so slight difference just happens to be something that gets to me horribly. I have been intrigued by WP7 for a long time anyways, and I'm sure it will be even more polished by the time I'm ready to peace out the Dinc.
Sense is awesome, and most (non-dev everyday) people I know who have a post-Nexus One HTC phone are in love with it, while there seems to be a large amount of "how come mine doesn't have that" coming from (non-dev everyday) people with other Android devices. I figure the positive feedback I see with WP7 and Nokias recent hardware will give me a solid alternative in 10 months when its time to upgrade.
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You can use an alternate launcher or custom rom, unless you're really attatched to sense widgets. I just don't think I'd select a phone based on the manufacturer skin's dock.
I'm intrigued by the possibility of the nexus coming to Verizon but I'm not getting my hopes up. At this point, what's important to me for my next phone to have is LTE, nice screen (preferably SAMOLED), and CM7/MIUI support (this would imply an unlockable bootloader). I wouldn't personally be one to buy a phone first day, I'd prefer to wait and see what issues it has and what the development community is like.
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You can't install any launcher on a Sense ROM. And ADW can kiss my ass for 6 or 7 bucks to do a fraction of what Sense does. I'd suggest hunting down one of the patches that allows you to remap those dock buttons. Something like Myn's Rosie or use a rom that remaps them. I thought pretty much all custom Sense ROMs allowed remapping of 2, if not all the buttons.
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Hey, whatever works for you man, nothing wrong with that! I like HTC, but depends on what USCC will get. Verizon likes to pass on phones, and USCC gets the best reception where I'm moving... Time will tell!
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US Cellular? I'm not sure how much of what they say I'd believe. For those who don't know, they're a CDMA carrier which has strongholds in Chicago and many areas of West Virginia.
Not too terribly long ago before the introduction of EVDO Rev.A, USC operated a CDMA network that both Alltel and Verizon used under an interoperability agreement. The problem was US Cellular didn't use standard 1xRTT or EVDO and Alltel and Verizon devices couldn't authenticate on their network. They were possibly THE LAST adopter of EVDO Rev.0 and as of last year still hadn't fully deployed EVDO Rev.A across their network. It was only in the last year and half they got their network compliant with the standards Alltel and Verizon use across IL, and still their coverage is horrible.
In short, I'd be pretty skeptical about any claims they make about LTE until I actually saw proof.
Nokia - Windows Phone. That is assuming Big Red gets a high end one (latest net rumors say they are). Who knows.
If they don't and there is no talk of it coming... I may look into the Nexus Prime if it's on Verizon. Like somebody else said, It's got to be AMOLED.
If it isn't.... I'll be checking out Sprint.
Nothing worth changing for yet
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Another HTC phone I am extremely satisfied with my ability to tinker with this phone especially with the prls. I've got 3g in places I used to get 1x. And miui.us is tight
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I love HTC and Sense but I voted for the Samsung Galaxy SII.
However, in reality, I will probably go for the phone that has the best battery life be that a Samsung or an HTC phone - I'm not wild about Motorola phones.
I am so tired of the crappy battery life on my DInc.
I'm still not sure which phone I'm going to go for, I could upgrade at any moment but I think I'm going to wait. I originally had an OG droid and I loved the sturdyness of Moto's build quality, but I love the lightness and the look of sense on the Incredible.
One thing is for sure I need 4G, at least dual core, 1GB+ RAM, still haven't decided on screen size yet (at least 4"+).
I think I'm going to wait until ICS drops since I'm already in debt up to my earlobes :lol: Buying the Transformer didn't help that.
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You can't install any launcher on a Sense ROM. And ADW can kiss my ass for 6 or 7 bucks to do a fraction of what Sense does. I'd suggest hunting down one of the patches that allows you to remap those dock buttons. Something like Myn's Rosie or use a rom that remaps them. I thought pretty much all custom Sense ROMs allowed remapping of 2, if not all the buttons.
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I used a demo unit at a T-Mobile store, and was kinda surprised to find it relatively responsive/lag-free, especially with Sense tacked on, given the specs; I can imagine how much it'd fly with a vanilla CM7 ROM on it or something of the sort. I was originally hoping the Dell Venue Pro would fill in as a secondary phone, but I didn't like WP7 so I returned it.
Anyway, I have the chance to get one for like $150 new, and I was just wondering if it's worthwhile using it as a secondary/smaller phone to my G2; while my G2 isn't exactly super-heavy/expensive, I'd probably feel worse losing/damaging it than the Wildfire, and I don't really need the keyboard at work since I don't exactly have the time to really use it. Having a second (decent) Android phone would allow me to play around with experimental stuff with the G2 while I use the Wildfire and still have a functional/available Android phone. I like the overall feel/look/weight/etc to it too - light enough to use with an armband if I wanted to and comfortably take my phone jogging or something. Yes, I know the specs and screen resolution would mean less stuff compatible, but it's not like I even watch Netflix or anything like that on my G2. Are there any major problems with it maybe, particularly ones that can't be fixed by software?
The next cheapest decent phone I can get is the new LG MyTouch for about $50, and while it's better in like every way (screen quality, specs even better than my G2, etc.), the lack of a search button is a real downer, I'm not a fan of the build quality (played around with it and used to have a Optimus V...both feel like toys compared to my G2 or the Wildfire S), and the huge bezel on the bottom is just ugly. And while it's ligther than my G2, it's not much smaller.
And while I could obviously get something better than my G2 and then use the G2 as a secondary phone...there isn't much on T-Mobile that I'm really interested in; I mean, I can upgrade to the Amaze 4G or GSII for about $400, but I don't find either enough of an upgrade over my G2 (unlike the Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy Tab 7.7...which are $600+ each, and don't really have a need for either at the moment).
Honestly you'd be better served finding another phone. While most things are fixable with software, unless you're a dev, the gsm models are constant headaches. Don't get me wrong, i like the phone. I just sometimes regret not just trying to flash a dinc or something to my carrier. Ebay has super cheap used phones.
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so far almost everything works OK for me with unofficial CM 7.2 from alquez, and I'm quite pleased with how it's performing now
the one last stumbling block for me now is GPS which I broke by applying patches from here I guess worst case scenario is I'll have to re-flash it again (too bad I did not do backup before applying the GPS patch).
but it was indeed a pain to unlock the bootloader and root it, quite a procedure let me tell you
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Honestly you'd be better served finding another phone. While most things are fixable with software, unless you're a dev, the gsm models are constant headaches. Don't get me wrong, i like the phone. I just sometimes regret not just trying to flash a dinc or something to my carrier. Ebay has super cheap used phones.
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Mind telling what's so bad about the GSM versions? I'd really like to know, as I kinda close to impluse-buying it yesterday if it really is that bad, are there any other small/light T-Mobile phones you can recommend? Everything else I've seen feels so cheap/plasticky...
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but it was indeed a pain to unlock the bootloader and root it, quite a procedure let me tell you
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How hard was it? I've only dealt with a few phones in terms of rooting and I can't say it was enough to deter me away from the phone itself.
GSM version is a great phone especially running cyanogen.
Everything is running fast and stable.
For the price and form factor its fantastic and very friendly on and in your pocket.
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You should probably get the HTC Sensation 4G or the HTC Amaze. I should known how bad the wildfire s was before I bought it
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Honestly you'd be better served finding another phone. While most things are fixable with software, unless you're a dev, the gsm models are constant headaches. Don't get me wrong, i like the phone. I just sometimes regret not just trying to flash a dinc or something to my carrier. Ebay has super cheap used phones.
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i dont get it how can it be a headache, since from when i bought it, there were only minor problems.... can u give some arguments on what you are telling
Also this stands for MrTaco505 ....
As for the thread starter: if you want small phone, with decent capabilities, its phone for you ... though i don't know what is the price range that you want, certainly that the sensation would be better... but it also costs twice the wildfire s ?
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For the price and form factor its fantastic and very friendly on and in your pocket.
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Certainly good to hear, thanks.
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You should probably get the HTC Sensation 4G or the HTC Amaze. I should known how bad the wildfire s was before I bought it
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Eh, Sensation/Amaze are at least $300 each for me, and are only barely slimmer than my G2 - they're about equal in weight and bigger due to the screen. I understand either would be much better than the Wildfire S...but simply put, I need an Android phone for a few basic functionalities/apps, not some fancy dual-core for games I'll never play with HDMI-output that I'll rarely use (if ever), etc. I also don't like spending much on a phone period, so ~$150 is a great price to me.
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As for the thread starter: if you want small phone, with decent capabilities, its phone for you ... though i don't know what is the price range that you want, certainly that the sensation would be better... but it also costs twice the wildfire s ?
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While I can technically afford the Sensation, the size/weight of it compared to the Wildfire S is why I'm not really considering it. And unless I'm mistaken, there's not many other decent phones in the same price range that don't feel like they're made of cheap plastic - which is why I'm asking.
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Certainly good to hear, thanks.
Eh, Sensation/Amaze are at least $300 each for me, and are only barely slimmer than my G2 - they're about equal in weight and bigger due to the screen. I understand either would be much better than the Wildfire S...but simply put, I need an Android phone for a few basic functionalities/apps, not some fancy dual-core for games I'll never play with HDMI-output that I'll rarely use (if ever), etc. I also don't like spending much on a phone period, so ~$150 is a great price to me.
While I can technically afford the Sensation, the size/weight of it compared to the Wildfire S is why I'm not really considering it. And unless I'm mistaken, there's not many other decent phones in the same price range that don't feel like they're made of cheap plastic - which is why I'm asking.
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galaxy ace would be the only alternative, but it feels cheaper than wfs in hand ...
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How hard was it? I've only dealt with a few phones in terms of rooting and I can't say it was enough to deter me away from the phone itself.
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not super hard, most of the hassle was around unlocking the bootloader which in my case was not very straight forward (and in general I think I hit every corner which I could possible have )
see my post here for more details about what were my steps
I am using a DZ (european G2) and a wfs as a secondary phone. All I can say is that the wfs is performing pretty good. As I am not using any data on it, the battery life on 2G is more than decent and the handset is quite fast. Right now I am using the latest stock ROM with OC and I am very happy with it.
I guess it also depends on what and how many apps are you planning to install on it. The internal memory is not very big, and it may also slow down the phone. At some point I was using a phone logger that would sync all my phone calls with google calendar and the app would render my phone unusable at times.
If you are planning to use it mainly for phone calls, I definitely recommend it. It is a great phone, way better then the galaxy ace IMO
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galaxy ace would be the only alternative, but it feels cheaper than wfs in hand ...
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Yeah, was looking at it earlier, but even if I wanted it I'd be stuck with 2G using it on T-Mobile USA.
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not super hard, most of the hassle was around unlocking the bootloader which in my case was not very straight forward (and in general I think I hit every corner which I could possible have )
see my post here for more details about what were my steps
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Thanks, I'll look into that soon!
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I am using a DZ (european G2) and a wfs as a secondary phone. All I can say is that the wfs is performing pretty good. As I am not using any data on it, the battery life on 2G is more than decent and the handset is quite fast. Right now I am using the latest stock ROM with OC and I am very happy with it.
I guess it also depends on what and how many apps are you planning to install on it. The internal memory is not very big, and it may also slow down the phone. At some point I was using a phone logger that would sync all my phone calls with google calendar and the app would render my phone unusable at times.
If you are planning to use it mainly for phone calls, I definitely recommend it. It is a great phone, way better then the galaxy ace IMO
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Thanks for the reply, went ahead and put a bid on one Wildfire S, hopefully I can get it cheaper than through my friend's T-Mobile discount.
I forgot to mention one thing: the price. I got my wfs brand new for less than 100 bucks from vodafone, so for that price is an amazing device
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