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Apps Space Confusion!!!

Hi folks,
I thought this phone had like 500MB odd for apps storage?
I've just checked my space left on internal memory and its like 18MB.... thought this is strange.
Installed Linda File Manager, under Applications it says 133M / 147M - 90%
A big WTF???? What is going on here????
This is what I expected with my Hero, but the Desire? Something has to be wrong.

Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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Arf!!! Thought it would be more than that. Sheesh!!!
I have 150MB spare on my Hero.

I don't see a problem here. When I was still on G1, I had 256 MB partition for APPS2SD and I never went over 100 MB.
Of course, that depends on everyone's personal use case.

irkan said:
Where do you think Android OS resides? it takes most of the space.
the allowable rom for apps is a little above 100MB
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I believe this is wrong although I've had very busy weekend and had no time to look into it.
I think android OS in the 512MB ROM. I think the reason the RAM is nearly full from the word go is that it is full of Sence UI and the apps that HTC has installed. Most of these can't be uninstalled, yet.

I'm confused: are we talking about ROM - where Android OS, Sense UI, apps, etc are stored, or RAM - "working" memory?
I also have ~100+ MB of RAM left and I totally forgot that total amount is over 500 MB.
But then coming back to G1, it had 192 MB of RAM and I never had more than 30 free.

So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.

Let's hope Android 2.2 or 3.0 supports Apps on SD and HTC will port it.
~100Mb Free Space only with preinstalled HTC Apps and Android is not very much

seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?

Arthur Hucksake said:
So basically the Rom, Sense UI, and all the HTC apps / widgets take up 350MB?
Wtf!! Way to go HTC, tout 512MB rom and then leave you with 150MB.
Can't wait to root this phone now.
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No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM through any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)

cez10 said:
seems like i dont understand something
is it not possible to install the apps onto a memory card?! does rooting allow to do that?
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In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)

farnsbarns said:
No you have definitely misunderstood.
The ROM is 512MB
The RAM is 576MB
Android is in the ROM You don't have access to the ROM though any file explorer (may be possible once rooted). It wont be long before the device is rooted (hopefully) and then custom ROMs can be used and it may even be possible to reduce the size of the ROM and increase the size of the RAM.
Sence UI and apps (HTC or otherwise) are in the RAM. Once we have root acccess it should be fairly easy to place apps on the SD card by using symbolic links to fool the OS into believing that an EXT2 partition on the SD card is the app storage on the phone ram. This is all still to come but I still have a 1.5GB EXT2 partition on my SD card from when it was in my G1 which I will use for this purpose once root has been achieved (you will probably need to create one, I'm not going into detail about how to do this until the device has been rooted)
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Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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What have you heard to suggest rooting is impossible?

Ok .. i was about to preorder Desire for myself.. but this thing holds me back a lil now.. whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..? sure once theres a chance to root your device u can get rid of this thing.. but what about ppl which wont root their device.. as im still not sure about root aswell..
PS: i always had just WinMo devices.. and im sick of it already.. especially after i saw WP7 i hate MS.. so android is the only way for me.. have to learn alot about this OS .. dont have it yet.. but already love it..

farnsbarns said:
In theory, once rooted, YES! (you posted while I was typing!)
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whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
how big are the apps in average? 5mb? or more?

barakoas said:
whats the point having alot of apps in the market while u can install about 3-5 apps on your phone coz of pathetic storage space..?
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With over 100Mb Free Space you should be able to install at least 30-50 Apps (or at least 10Games). Most Apps are <1Mbyte. (Biggest Software i know is Copilot takes ~ 10Mbytes)
Don't think that you get serious problems here.

Ok that sounds quite fair.. but still.. well im App/game maniac

cez10 said:
whats the point of having a memory card then if you cant install any apps on it :|
can I download the apps onto the card though? and same with music files etc?
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I agree there, you can't save apps on it, you can't install apps on it, so what the heck is benefit of having it in ur phone then, why Google won't give this feature/option 2 install on MemCard?
Or why the heck they don't make phones memory any bigger so that we don't have 2 worry about it.. I mean if they raise built-in memory to 1GB or big it's not gonna bring the price of phone 2 double, I guess it's gonna be only few quids more...

Arthur Hucksake said:
Right, now I get you.
It all becomes clear. lol
I used AP2SD on my Hero, but from what I have heard I fear we won't be able to root the Desire at all.
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It WILL be rooted, it's just a matter of time. Probably just days in fact, knowing all the talent round here!

well theres an option to wait on Samsung Galaxy S.. which will have 8Gig internal memory and lovely hardware specs.. but meh its samsung which have crappy UI and support.. grr there always must be some BUT...

Low on space - Phone Storage space is getting low

Somehow my space on my phone is very low. I started getting the messages this morning. I wouldn't say that I have a load of applications. No more than I had on my HTC Magic...Is this too much for it to handle?
Here goes;
2010 World Cup
Air Control
AppAware
Astro
Barcode Scanner
BBC News
BeebPlayer
DishPointer Pro
Droidbox Free
Earth
Engadget
F1Android 2010
Facebook
Foursquare
Fring
Gesture Search
Google Sky Map
Hoccer
iGo
KeePassDroid
Listen
Lookout
MapDroyd
Maps
Nimbuzz
Pkt Auctions eBay
Qik
Shareprice
Shazaam
Sky News
Soccer Livescores
Torrent-fu
Twitroid
UK TV Guide
Wave Secure
Zedge
What are my options?

1. Clear cache;
2. Remove some apps;
3. Wait for root + custom ROMs with APPS2SD

I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT

I have removed Google earth as it was taking up nearly 22MB which in the grand scheme of things seems to be load of space....

I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.

Jabbypants said:
I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.
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...or just allow for apps to be installed on a memory card from the first place
Seems like that they [Android OS] have realised that without doing so, they will not be able to have storage hungry things such as games to be installed.

36 as I counted, is normal IMO. But yeah, I really hope that you will be able to install applications on your SD card in the future. Not that I want more apps, but I want BETTER apps (which means they will be more MB's). I remember downloading games for the iPod touch that were over 100 MB. They were also off very high quality.
About not allowing installing apps to SD card: I think the reason why it is not allowed is the following.. if you can install something to your SD card, you can easily share it with other over the internet, right? That will mean people will start downloading apps the 'dirty' way! That's the only reason I see.
But Google is very smart and so far keeps giving everybody what they want. I am sure they will find a solution!

gogol said:
I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT
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When you use apps, it stores some files in memory for quicker access later. Downside of it is that it takes-up space. Normally you would not want to clear cache that often, but if you're running out of space it helps.
Unfortunately you can only clear cache for each app one-by-one, but here's an app that might make the process easier http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.cerisierbleu.qac

You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?

Raminder1992 said:
You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
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No, you can't put apps on memory card until we have root and get to use cool ROMs like CyanogenMod.
Or until Google adds official support for apps2sd, but I can bet you that root will come first.

the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section

I also got low memory on my G1 with Apps2sd. That's because every app stores stuff on the internal memory, the browser cache, google maps cache and so on. My experience showed me that these things are the real memory killer.

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.

deprecate said:
Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
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right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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I thought it was due to the fact that the paid apps wouldn't be secure on the sd card, opening the gate further for app piracy and thus they were working on a solution to allow copy protection on the sd card.

I think this issue just turned me off the Desire and now I'm leaning towards the Nexus 1. I like to install plenty of apps so this could be a real issue for me

All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.

cez10 said:
right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
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not sure to be honest. I would assume that you will be able to mount your sd card and copy all of the contents off the secured/encrypted partition if your machine recognizes that partition type...then again, maybe you won't be able to.
If you upgrade sd cards, you may have to start all over with installing to the sd card. Good question.
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
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the iphone is popular for lots of reasons; app support being at the top...but I would imagine the viral advertising and the "everyone has it" thing doesn't hurt.
Funnily enough, Android is almost on as many mobile devices as iphoneOS (according to an admob metric report). So the "everyone has it" argument is about to become a moot point.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
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people want what they know, what they see, what they hear is the best...apple has done an amazing job doing this with their products.

Jabbypants said:
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
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more than 10 apps? Are you trolling?

Don't think i have even got 10 on mine atm and can't think i ever had more on any Android i had so far, hero/milestone.

Why does the HTC Desire not come rooted?

Hi there, I know there are various threads but none of those seem to give a reason as to why the htc desire doesnt come rooted in the first place?
From what I understand you cant even install apps to your storage card unless you root the handset so all the apps that the average person will go crazy installing will eventually lock up the internal memory.
So why isnt the rooting done before its sold ? is it just something thats overlooked?

bungle2k3 said:
From what I understand you cant even install apps to your storage card unless you root the handset so all the apps that the average person will go crazy installing will eventually lock up the internal memory.
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The *average* user will never need to root, and will never install that many apps. For the most part, people who frequent these forums are not average users and are in a very, very small minority.
So why isnt the rooting done before its sold ? is it just something thats overlooked?
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Essentially it is all about support. HTC try to lock down their phones so that you cannot mess around with them too much, as this will minimize the amount of support they need to provide. So, it's not an oversight, it is by design.
Regards,
Dave

i see
cheers dude

and now i know what rooting is thanks

[Q] Few Questions before buying the phone

I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?

rangeela2331 said:
I have had HTC Desire for 2 years now and I am planning to buy this phone in couple of weeks. I have few questions if someone could answer them for me.
1. How is the loud speaker feature? Is it better than the Desire?
2. Out of 32GB memory, how much is available after all the preloaded system apps?
3. Since there is no SD slot, how an individual would transfer the data from PC to the phone? can an individual use a USB cable and place them in designated folder of the phone?
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1. (My last phone was a Desire) The speaker is A LOT better, it sounds even better then the speakers in my laptop.
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
3. Through Dropbox is the easiest way, you get 25 GB free storage which makes transfering files very easy to do. (And if 25 isn't enouf you can always buy more/also use Box which offers another free 50 GB.) USB transfer also works, but believe me once you get used to Dropbox you don't want anything els. When I take a picture on my phone it is a few seconds later already on my Dropbox account available for all my other devices.

Thanks.

H-Cim said:
2. 25GB left. (+ You get 25 GB free with Dropbox, which you can use for your documents,photos,video)
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I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.

psinno said:
I saw in a review that only 2GB is available for installing apps. Is this going to be a problem? The only thing I really disliked about my Desire was the dramatically limited space for apps and I don't really want to fall into that again.
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Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?

rangeela2331 said:
Can someone confirm this if only 2GB is available for installing apps?
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I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
PS2: Since all the storage is located on one physical storage unit (as far as I know?) I think devs might be able to make the 2GB partition a 10 (or any number) GB partition. But you better ask this to a real developper.

H-Cim said:
I should have said that indeed, there is 2GB dedicated for installing apps but you can move pretty much any app to the "SD CARD" which has 25 GB of storage. My apologies for the confusing answer the first time.
PS : Keep in mind that within the 6 months pretty much all apps will be optimised for "Move to SD-Card".
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Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.

psinno said:
Call me paranoid but after the Desire I am a bit wary of moving apps to sd being some magical fix. It didn't seem to help me that much when I was HTC stock (pre root and roming). I thought the point of Android switching to MTP was to make all the space available for apps.
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Yeah I had that same problem with the Desire, some apps didn't work after moving them to SD. But I think app-devs will start optimizing this, apps become larger and pretty much every phone has very limited memory (without the SD-Card).
+ I'm pretty sure Devs can make the 2GB partition larger, if you root the device and use a costum rom that is.

Android 11 blocks Microsd

hi i'm having app issues since i have android 11.
some emulators that I have (dolphin) do not have access to the microsd folder where I have the roms.
does this happen to you? Is there any solution? wait for the application update?
thanks

we'll just have to wait until devs update apps to be compatible with scoped storage

Yep, my microsd is readable till my phone lock himself. After that it dismount the card and I have a try at next day... same thing happens again and again. I didn't found a solution,but I still have 120 Gb free space in phone...

Meh... that's one reason I'm staying on Pie.
If I wanted scoped storage I have gotten a bloody Apple.

Is it possible for samsung to fix that microsd bug? or should it be google?

elevation_ph said:
Is it possible for samsung to fix that microsd bug? or should it be google?
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Assuming Google gives Samsung the leeway to fix it, Samsung could... eventually.
Lol, took over a year for them to fix the Buds firmware

Does anyone know of an e-mail to contact Samsung?

elevation_ph said:
Does anyone know of an e-mail to contact Samsung?
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You can phone them in the USA. Their tech support is pretty much worthless.
Best bet is a Google search but the OS is very new so it's going to be slim pickens. You might luck out though. Try other makes and models as it may be a shared issue.

I don't fully understand: the problem accessing your SD card is with any app, or with some particular apps? If the problem is with any app, this is a major bug that makes unusable a hardware section. Can you please clarify please? Thank you very much.
Update: I have read more about "scoped storage", and I think that the problem is only with apps that "need" to access beyond its own storage (like file managers, photo managers, etc). In that case, I think that the solution is just to keep with "old API" version of those apps, that will not have the Andoid 11 "scoped storage". I hope I am ok.
vaski88 said:
Yep, my microsd is readable till my phone lock himself. After that it dismount the card and I have a try at next day... same thing happens again and again. I didn't found a solution,but I still have 120 Gb free space in phone...
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elevation_ph said:
hi i'm having app issues since i have android 11.
some emulators that I have (dolphin) do not have access to the microsd folder where I have the roms.
does this happen to you? Is there any solution? wait for the application update?
thanks
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If you have Magisk: have you tried tze Magisk module mentioned here in XDA https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/module-exsdcard-write-access-enabler-5-0-8.3670428/?

Hello ! I am still trying to understand "scoped storage" before upgrading my Note 10+ to Android 11.
Does anybody know what will happen if using an "old" application targeted for APIS older than 30 ? Is it possible that old APKs still are allowed to access the SD Card ?
Example: I have a couple of apps (file managers type) used to do some back-ups to the SD Card. Using AppChecker, I have found that they are API 28 and API 29. So these APKs can still access SD Card under Android 11 ?
Thank you very much in advance.