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Low on space - Phone Storage space is getting low

Somehow my space on my phone is very low. I started getting the messages this morning. I wouldn't say that I have a load of applications. No more than I had on my HTC Magic...Is this too much for it to handle?
Here goes;
2010 World Cup
Air Control
AppAware
Astro
Barcode Scanner
BBC News
BeebPlayer
DishPointer Pro
Droidbox Free
Earth
Engadget
F1Android 2010
Facebook
Foursquare
Fring
Gesture Search
Google Sky Map
Hoccer
iGo
KeePassDroid
Listen
Lookout
MapDroyd
Maps
Nimbuzz
Pkt Auctions eBay
Qik
Shareprice
Shazaam
Sky News
Soccer Livescores
Torrent-fu
Twitroid
UK TV Guide
Wave Secure
Zedge
What are my options?

1. Clear cache;
2. Remove some apps;
3. Wait for root + custom ROMs with APPS2SD

I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT

I have removed Google earth as it was taking up nearly 22MB which in the grand scheme of things seems to be load of space....

I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.

Jabbypants said:
I never understand why they don't a minimum of 1gb internal storage on these devices for apps.
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...or just allow for apps to be installed on a memory card from the first place
Seems like that they [Android OS] have realised that without doing so, they will not be able to have storage hungry things such as games to be installed.

36 as I counted, is normal IMO. But yeah, I really hope that you will be able to install applications on your SD card in the future. Not that I want more apps, but I want BETTER apps (which means they will be more MB's). I remember downloading games for the iPod touch that were over 100 MB. They were also off very high quality.
About not allowing installing apps to SD card: I think the reason why it is not allowed is the following.. if you can install something to your SD card, you can easily share it with other over the internet, right? That will mean people will start downloading apps the 'dirty' way! That's the only reason I see.
But Google is very smart and so far keeps giving everybody what they want. I am sure they will find a solution!

gogol said:
I am now wondering ... What is this "cache" ?
Do we really need to clean it periodically?
It would be nice if there is a widget to clean this.
And honestly, I am not impressed with the storage ... 512 RAM seems a lot, but actually it is NOT
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When you use apps, it stores some files in memory for quicker access later. Downside of it is that it takes-up space. Normally you would not want to clear cache that often, but if you're running out of space it helps.
Unfortunately you can only clear cache for each app one-by-one, but here's an app that might make the process easier http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.cerisierbleu.qac

You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?

Raminder1992 said:
You can not store any apps on your memory card!
I did not know this
I have low space as well!
I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.
Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
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No, you can't put apps on memory card until we have root and get to use cool ROMs like CyanogenMod.
Or until Google adds official support for apps2sd, but I can bet you that root will come first.

the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section

I also got low memory on my G1 with Apps2sd. That's because every app stores stuff on the internal memory, the browser cache, google maps cache and so on. My experience showed me that these things are the real memory killer.

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.

deprecate said:
Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.
Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
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right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|

cez10 said:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,
someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
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I thought it was due to the fact that the paid apps wouldn't be secure on the sd card, opening the gate further for app piracy and thus they were working on a solution to allow copy protection on the sd card.

I think this issue just turned me off the Desire and now I'm leaning towards the Nexus 1. I like to install plenty of apps so this could be a real issue for me

All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.

cez10 said:
right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?
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not sure to be honest. I would assume that you will be able to mount your sd card and copy all of the contents off the secured/encrypted partition if your machine recognizes that partition type...then again, maybe you won't be able to.
If you upgrade sd cards, you may have to start all over with installing to the sd card. Good question.
and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.
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the iphone is popular for lots of reasons; app support being at the top...but I would imagine the viral advertising and the "everyone has it" thing doesn't hurt.
Funnily enough, Android is almost on as many mobile devices as iphoneOS (according to an admob metric report). So the "everyone has it" argument is about to become a moot point.
My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
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people want what they know, what they see, what they hear is the best...apple has done an amazing job doing this with their products.

Jabbypants said:
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
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more than 10 apps? Are you trolling?

Don't think i have even got 10 on mine atm and can't think i ever had more on any Android i had so far, hero/milestone.

[Q] Weird behaviour with menu icons on Arc!

Heyy guys
Has anyone noticed that if you arrange the icons on the arc when the phone is restarted the icons all move around...
Is this just me or has it happened to others?
Thanks,
Jinx13

I got same issue, upon every restart the phone shuffles the icons adding new windows and places 2 or 3 icons on window or so...

What I've noticed is that this only applies to apps stored on the SD card, anything stored on the phone memory will stay in place.

DemonicHawk said:
What I've noticed is that this only applies to apps stored on the SD card, anything stored on the phone memory will stay in place.
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Yeah...
Is it possible to be the low-class SD doing this? The standard default SD Card included in Arc's box is Class 2 I believe.
Could higher class SD card fix this? Can someone with Class 4-6-8-10 share impression please?

It is strange tough, I'm using the SD card provided with the Arc and dont have any problems.
I read some people did have problems with the launcher but that was fixed in SEs latest android version, are you guys on the latest version ?

more people are having this problem :
Touranaga said:
Regardless the complainings about the Arc I would definitely say that is a faulty phone. I have mine for 2 mounts now and the only problem i experience is when i reboot the phone occasionally it shuffles the icons...no lag, no delay. It's a truly worthy phone.
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Same problem..Sandisk class4..latest firmware

Glad to hear it's not just me lol I also have the latest version 2.3.3
I didn't actually notice that it was only the apps on the SD card that moved till it was mentioned

Using 2.3.3 here as well.
Hope this will be fixed in upcoming updates, cause its annoying...not that i restart my phone often, but nevertheless when you do you need to spend some time to re-arrange all the icons back again or just scrolling arround till you find that you need.
Depends on how many craps you have installed on you phone lol.
Brah.

Have same issue with icons.
2.3.3 did not help at all.

KitKat causing SD card problems - woah intentional?

This has got to be the worst move ever made by Google (and I'm a Google fanboy). Makes me frustrated. Samsung is one of the only companies providing micro sd card slots, and now this comes and screws that up. What can you even do with a micro sd card now besides read it...?!
Here is the article: http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/65841
Leibeck explains what this means to users, writing,
“If your device has user-accessible internal flash storage, your SD Card is a “secondary external storage device”.
What this means is that with KitKat, applications will no longer be able create, modify, or remove files and folders on your external SD card. As a for-instance, you can no longer use a file manager to copy files from your computer to the SD card over a network. This ability, which has existed since the beginning of Android, has been taken away.”
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Mystery? said:
This has got to be the worst move ever made by Google (and I'm a Google fanboy). Makes me frustrated. Samsung is one of the only companies providing micro sd card slots, and now this comes and screws that up. What can you even do with a micro sd card now besides read it...?!
Here is the article: http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/65841
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This is horrible.....shame on google

I'll be waiting. No need to rush in and be an early adopter. I wonder how the S5 is handling this/going to.

Google mess it up on purpose, to force people to use their cloud services and be bombarded by their advertising, that's how they make money and their official explanation to improve security is so lame. Anyhow, hopefully Samsung will fix it sooner or later, or you can root it and fix it yourself, loosing warranty in the process. I took the high road and will not update, until a) it's all fixed or b) my warranty runs out and won't care about Knox at all.
Google gets on my nerves lately, first they messed up new maps update (at least I got option to stay on old version for now) and now this.

rosedog said:
I'll be waiting. No need to rush in and be an early adopter. I wonder how the S5 is handling this/going to.
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So should I not up date the software.
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Google changed it because a lot of folks were having their app data store on the sdcard, which later on caused stability issues with the apps loading. Some resulted in FCs, crashes etc etc. So in order to increase stability, and possibly even security in Android, Google made the move to allow on app data to be stored internally. You can store and do whatever else you want to do on the sdcard like storing music, photos, other files etc etc. App data can no longer be stored on external...
Personally I don't mind, the Note 3 comes with 32GB minimum... That's plenty for me....

Pajar0913 said:
So should I not up date the software.
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I hear ya. 32gb is more than I need.. makes a lot of sense to do it that way.
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I am not sure I understand correctly. I read the above link also.
When I go to my application manager I can still move apps to SD card?

okay, so I take a picture. The photo is not saved on the sd card?

Exfex21 said:
okay, so I take a picture. The photo is not saved on the sd card?
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I'm guessing it is going to be under your stock gallery app and it's saving to your device.
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Limeybastard said:
I am not sure I understand correctly. I read the above link also.
When I go to my application manager I can still move apps to SD card?
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Yes, you can still move some apps to the SD card.
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Pajar0913 said:
I'm guessing it is going to be under your stock gallery app and it's saving to your device.
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I still can go to settings and change to save the pictures to the SD card. It's the app data, not pictures that you can't move to an SD card.

These SD card problems are a super-dealbreaker for me, does anyone know a way (via root or whatever) to revert kitkat to previous SD card behaviors? If not, I'm going to have to revert back to Jelly Bean.

jax omen said:
These SD card problems are a super-dealbreaker for me, does anyone know a way (via root or whatever) to revert kitkat to previous SD card behaviors? If not, I'm going to have to revert back to Jelly Bean.
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If you're rooted there is a fix. it's in the kitkat qa thread in the dev section. Seems to work fine.

itsmikeramsay said:
Google changed it because a lot of folks were having their app data store on the sdcard, which later on caused stability issues with the apps loading. Some resulted in FCs, crashes etc etc. So in order to increase stability, and possibly even security in Android, Google made the move to allow on app data to be stored internally. You can store and do whatever else you want to do on the sdcard like storing music, photos, other files etc etc. App data can no longer be stored on external...
Personally I don't mind, the Note 3 comes with 32GB minimum... That's plenty for me....
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Why not force apps to be defaulted to internal unless user unchecks that option for people using developers menu and/or root. Sort of like force gpu rendering option.

Does find 7 QHD version has 3gb app limit?

For ANYONE who already owns the find 7 qhd, does it have the same limitation on storage as the find 7a or is it unified storage? Please answer me fast I can't WAIT to pre-order. Thank you!
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zabih107 said:
For ANYONE who already owns the find 7 qhd, does it have the same limitation on storage as the find 7a or is it unified storage? Please answer me fast I can't WAIT to pre-order. Thank you!
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Unfortunately, not unified.

God dammit oppo. What the hell!
Anyway I got this from a user on oneplus forums:
"Go to Settings > General tab > Storage > Preferred install location. There you have 3 choices... System Storage, Phone storage, and System default. Change it to Phone storage
Edit - adding addtional info: User installed applications are installed in /data/apps, settings and app data is stored in /data/data, and then application cache data is stored in /cache. These are all part of the "System Storage".*
Quoting from*http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...ce-between-system-memory-and-internal-storage"
Does this help with the limitation problem? Anyone?
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zabih107 said:
God dammit oppo. What the hell!
Anyway I got this from a user on oneplus forums:
"Go to Settings > General tab > Storage > Preferred install location. There you have 3 choices... System Storage, Phone storage, and System default. Change it to Phone storage
Edit - adding addtional info: User installed applications are installed in /data/apps, settings and app data is stored in /data/data, and then application cache data is stored in /cache. These are all part of the "System Storage".*
Quoting from*http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...ce-between-system-memory-and-internal-storage"
Does this help with the limitation problem? Anyone?
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Interesting. Didn't know that. Just got the phone a few days ago. I'm so used to having the whole phone storage and external microSD storage. Hopefully, someone could shed some light. Sorry about that.

3GB limit solution
coremark said:
Interesting. Didn't know that. Just got the phone a few days ago. I'm so used to having the whole phone storage and external microSD storage. Hopefully, someone could shed some light. Sorry about that.
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Check this solution https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/which-one-will-you-choose-opo-vs-oppo-find7.36739/page-3
Can somebody confirm if this solution works?

eruan said:
Check this solution https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/which-one-will-you-choose-opo-vs-oppo-find7.36739/page-3
Can somebody confirm if this solution works?
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What solution? They just said buy an OPPO and flash CM11. That doesn't change your non-unified storage, I've done it.

There seems to be some indication from oppo that they will be moving to unified memory soon(ish)
there is a thread on the oppoforums.
google search "FREE OUR MEMORY MOVEMENT find 7" and you can have a read. its a 10 page thread.

aaminuk said:
There seems to be some indication from oppo that they will be moving to unified memory soon(ish)
there is a thread on the oppoforums.
google search "FREE OUR MEMORY MOVEMENT find 7" and you can have a read. its a 10 page thread.
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Hello,
They said they will be moving to unified memory for future phones not for the oppo find 7/7a.

Yes it does however I installed all my apps today and still have 1.5gb left!

The method of changing the preferred location will put your apps in the "other" storage partition. The only problem with that is some of the apps don't like the "other" section, especially widgets so they won't work properly. I have all my apps that I normally carry on my phone and I'm fine. The structure is stupid/antiquated and will be corrected at some point in the future but for me, for now, it's not that big of a deal. If you're a gamer that might pose a bigger problem but I'm not certain if apps to SD applications wouldn't solve at least some of the issues?

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marmankites said:
Yes it does however I installed all my apps today and still have 1.5gb left!
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That's worrying.
You had you phone for how much time ?
I guess not very long and the partition is already half full.
Now the cached data are going to grow and of course there are going to be update too.
I wonder how much time is needed in your case before you need to do some cleaning.
6 months, one year ?

Bobalamer said:
Hello,
They said they will be moving to unified memory for future phones not for the oppo find 7/7a.
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Check this out:
http://www.oppoforums.com/threads/find-7a-coloros-2-0-2i-beta-update-preview.20094/

Note 7 Adoptable Storage?

Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?

There is no reason not to work!
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Yes if you mean Modaco
hamza_theclue said:
Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?
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Yes if you mean Modaco version (ADB), there are other ways but I'm not a expert like that.
EDIT: Unless I did it wrong, didn't work. Probably Note 7 different upgraded touchwiz or something.

hamza_theclue said:
Has anybody tried the method of formatting an sd card into a partition for the note 7 the way it was done for the s7 and s7 edge?
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Might have to disappoint you as it seems Note 7 doesn't support adoptable storage.
http://m.androidcentral.com/things-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-sd-card-slot

statikk1 said:
Might have to disappoint you as it seems Note 7 doesn't support adoptable storage.
http://m.androidcentral.com/things-know-about-galaxy-note-7s-sd-card-slot
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Good to know, I tried the adb method but it didn't work for me, I just wanted to know if it was my mistake or if it just wasent gonna work.
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It's a method of bypassing a security feature. They have to close down these exploits because they want a bigger share of the enterprise market. Most companies aren't too keen on letting people receive sensitive data on an insecure device.
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This is extremely aggravating. Adopted storage can be made to be just as secure. What a pain in the arse these locked down phones are! I'd rather sacrifice most of these "security" features for freedom.

I hate adaptable storage

Is it still necessary with a 64gb phone? What would be the advantages? Just curious
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So what happens to the internal storage after you make the SD card adoptable?
Also there's a setting in the browser to set download to SD card.
But I see your point.
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If I am not wrong adoptable storage breaks your phone if you remove the SD card. And another phone won't read it.
I constantly switch SD cards and copy files from and to my friend's phones because it is faster than wireless methods.
Adoptable storage is good for people who just keep their SD card in all the time

shag_on_e said:
This is extremely aggravating. Adopted storage can be made to be just as secure. What a pain in the arse these locked down phones are! I'd rather sacrifice most of these "security" features for freedom.
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Might as well give up our guns for "security" while we are at it! Haha

xtzi said:
If I am not wrong adoptable storage breaks your phone if you remove the SD card. And another phone won't read it.
I constantly switch SD cards and copy files from and to my friend's phones because it is faster than wireless methods.
Adoptable storage is good for people who just keep their SD card in all the time
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If I understand it correctly, adoptable storage also lets you set up partitions on your SDcard. So part of it will still work just like in the past, therefore allowing you to still have a user defined section of it available to still transfer data by popping the card in and out of various devices. This would be the best of both worlds.
As a mobile gamer, I SERIOUSLY hope someone finds a way to incorporate adoptable storage on the Note 7!!!! The data folders for HD games are so big these days that with just 20 HD games or so I have almost run out of storage space already on my 64GB Note 7. I have rooted all of my previous Note devices for this very reason (in order to store game data on the external card), but was hoping that the Note 7 could be the first one that I would NOT have to root. Now Samsung has screwed this up AGAIN...just like last time with the Note 5 where there was no SDcard used at all.
If anyone can figure out a way to use adoptable storage on the Note 7, it will be tremendously appreciated!!!!!!!! Thx.

aznmode said:
Is it still necessary with a 64gb phone? What would be the advantages? Just curious
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The ways in which someone could use a memory card formatted in a typical manner is restricted. In a nut shell the phone treats it as a source for content like music or videos, but won't let you copy applications and other types of content to it. This also means that data that some applications use can't be moved to the cards. Applications that are for consuming content (ex: an audio book reader or a video player) potentially could use a lot of memory and there's no way to save it in anything other than the device's main memory. I personally struggle with 64-gigs. The Note 5 didn't have a memory card option at all. I have a GS7 and enabled it's memory card to be used as adoptable storage and it works great for my needs/demands. I had been hoping that between the 64 gigs built into the Note 7 and the 256 gig memory card available for it that I would have more than enough. But hearing the news in this thread strongly disappointments me.

Batman8 said:
If I understand it correctly, adoptable storage also lets you set up partitions on your SDcard. So part of it will still work just like in the past, therefore allowing you to still have a user defined section of it available to still transfer data by popping the card in and out of various devices. This would be the best of both worlds.
As a mobile gamer, I SERIOUSLY hope someone finds a way to incorporate adoptable storage on the Note 7!!!! The data folders for HD games are so big these days that with just 20 HD games or so I have almost run out of storage space already on my 64GB Note 7. I have rooted all of my previous Note devices for this very reason (in order to store game data on the external card), but was hoping that the Note 7 could be the first one that I would NOT have to root. Now Samsung has screwed this up AGAIN...just like last time with the Note 5 where there was no SDcard used at all.
If anyone can figure out a way to use adoptable storage on the Note 7, it will be tremendously appreciated!!!!!!!! Thx.
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I don't have a link or anything but there is a no root method of doing it now. People just tend to advise not using it that way as if the card becomes corrupted for any reason it may negatively affect your internal HD. Also if the card us removed for any reason it can create problems because the OS isn't set up to react to the HD being removed.
I have no experience with it myself but that's what I read about it. Biggest use the SD card would have is utilizing some of it as RAM when a root releases officially but other than that everything I've read advised using it for storage only.
Kind if sad since I got the SD card ad a promo gift but hopefully all that space will come in handy as the phone updates or gets more root love.

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lorenzobjuarez said:
Well, that is EXACTLY what we are referring to in this thread. The source that you do not have the link to in order to enable Adoptable Storage on any device is referred to as the "ADB Modaco Adoptable Storage Method". It is supposed to work on ANY Marshmallow device, but for some reason as some of us have tested, it DOES NOT WORK on the Note 7. Samsung probably found out about it and BLOCKED it just because they think they know what's best. Its STUPID!!! Its a stock Android feature & should have been left alone!
Now my fear is that they somehow break this method on the S7 &S7 Edge with their stupid "Grace UI" update & it would have been pointless for me to exchange my Note 7.
Will be disabling "System Updates" with Debloater on my S7 Edge... try blocking THAT!!!
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Just finding this it now! I've been expectantly waiting for my 256 Gig SD card just so that I could partition it and use part for adoptable storage. I am beyond belief that Samsung has blocked it! Damn them!