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Hi,
I have all my music library encoded as eaac+ 48kbps parametric stereo as this allows me to fit my entire music library on my microsd card.
Been using my music collection on my HTC HD2 which i soon replaced with the Desire.
Thing is that after some of the tracks i've been listening to started sounding funny, i've investigated more on the issue to find out that the Android eaac+ encoder seems to be doing quite a bad job...
For example the .aac file i've attached sounds almost perfect on my laptop and HD2 (using the same hi quality Sennheiser headphones) but on the desire the low bass sounds are awful, it's just like someone is hitting on a broken drum.
Could someone please help me confirm this issue? Could you try playing the attached test .aac file on the htc desire and let me know if you encounter the same problem with it sounding awful? (Try also on a laptop with latest winamp to see the difference).
Thanks !
Hi ubik,
All my digital audio files are also eaac+ at 48kbps, but are in .m4a containers, not .aac, but that shouldn't make any difference (By the way aac+ with parametric stereo = eaac+). As I'm about to buy a Desire, your post made me think that maybe the Desire doesn't support eaac+, only aac+. Iphones and ipods only support aac+, so eaac+ files come out in mono and sound rubbish on those devices. HTC's website doesn't confirm if the Desire plays eaac+ files, so I contacted HTC via their website, and they confirmed that the Desire supports these audio formats .wma, .aac, .m4a, .mp3, .mp4 and .wav files And these codecs WAV, WMA, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, M4A, MP3 and MP4. Therefore if it supports the eaac+ codec, you should get CD quality sound with your eaac+ files at 48kbps. Maybe you should ask HTC about this via their website.
SpaceGooner said:
Hi ubik,
All my digital audio files are also eaac+ at 48kbps, but are in .m4a containers, not .aac, but that shouldn't make any difference (By the way aac+ with parametric stereo = eaac+). As I'm about to buy a Desire, your post made me think that maybe the Desire doesn't support eaac+, only aac+. Iphones and ipods only support aac+, so eaac+ files come out in mono and sound rubbish on those devices. HTC's website doesn't confirm if the Desire plays eaac+ files, so I contacted HTC via their website, and they confirmed that the Desire supports these audio formats .wma, .aac, .m4a, .mp3, .mp4 and .wav files And these codecs WAV, WMA, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, M4A, MP3 and MP4. Therefore if it supports the eaac+ codec, you should get CD quality sound with your eaac+ files at 48kbps. Maybe you should ask HTC about this via their website.
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That's funny, I contacted HTC support about playing .m4a files and the reply was, and I quote, "You can not play the m4a files by default on your device and you need to search over the Android market for a compatible application with your device to allow you play such files on your device."
I myself haven't been able to playback .m4a files with several music players, including the default HTC one and players downloaded from the market.
Is anyone actually able to play this file type?
SpaceGooner said:
Hi ubik,
All my digital audio files are also eaac+ at 48kbps, but are in .m4a containers, not .aac, but that shouldn't make any difference (By the way aac+ with parametric stereo = eaac+). As I'm about to buy a Desire, your post made me think that maybe the Desire doesn't support eaac+, only aac+. Iphones and ipods only support aac+, so eaac+ files come out in mono and sound rubbish on those devices. HTC's website doesn't confirm if the Desire plays eaac+ files, so I contacted HTC via their website, and they confirmed that the Desire supports these audio formats .wma, .aac, .m4a, .mp3, .mp4 and .wav files And these codecs WAV, WMA, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, M4A, MP3 and MP4. Therefore if it supports the eaac+ codec, you should get CD quality sound with your eaac+ files at 48kbps. Maybe you should ask HTC about this via their website.
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What i did is dump my eaac+ converted music library as it sounded bad on my Desire and it was really a lot of music that i did not listen to; being a lot of media files, the music player was very sluggish. I reordered my original mp3s and made a selection of music that i do listen.
I admit, this is not the solution to the problem (using mp3s instead of eaac+ and using less files because the player is sluggish) but it is a great phone overall and who knows what the future brings (Android 2.2 Froyo for example).
I'm not impressed with how google has failed to respond my bug report, but it's hard for me to find faults with this phone, after using the HTC HD2 i'm wondering how i could live with winmo's faults all this time
Hey,
I plan to buy a Desire, but this could be a dealbreaker for me:
Does this occur with AAC+ (e.g. HE-AACv1, without Parametric Stereo) as well? My whole music library is in that format!
It would be really great if somebody could confirm the situation. If you don't have access to any AAC+ files of your own, I uploaded one to drop.io/3q2r8b7/asset/desire-heaac-test-zip in MP3, AAC+ (HE-AAC v1) and eAAC+ (HE-AAC v2).
Thanks!
hi,
all three files sound ok on my desire (i can tell very little difference between them)
maybe you should try giving me something with more base sound (this is where i notices the problem)
you gave me symphonic music which has more of the high notes
ubik said:
hi,
all three files sound ok on my desire (i can tell very little difference between them)
maybe you should try giving me something with more base sound (this is where i notices the problem)
you gave me symphonic music which has more of the high notes
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Thank you very much for testing.
I've now uploaded another track with more bass in it: drop.io/3q2r8b7/asset/backleg-heaac-test-zip
Hi,
i've tried these three files on my desire and they sound just fine !
can you tell us the exact settings u've used for music encoding? we might be onto something here...
ubik said:
Hi,
i've tried these three files on my desire and they sound just fine !
can you tell us the exact settings u've used for music encoding? we might be onto something here...
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I've encoded them with the Nero AAC Codec, Version 1.5.4.0, with the command line parameters -br 32000 for the v2 one, and -br 48000 for the v1 (Nero autoselects the appropriate codec for the chosen bitrate that way).
Did you encode your 48kbps files to HE-AAC v2? That could be the cause of your problem; v2 uses Parametric Stereo, which can improve quality for very low bitrates (<32kbps); but for 48kbps you usually get better results with just using HE-AAC v1.
Be sure to use the newest version from www .nero.com/enu/downloads-nerodigital-nero-aac-codec.php, as the change log specifically mentions some fixed incompatibilities with some hardware devices.
my files for the most part are AAC in mp4 or m4a extensions.
done myself with belight and neros AAC encoder. haven't had any problems at all with the default player or meridian
p.s some are about 2-3 years old at least and still play fine. older ones are mp3 though
I had a similar problem with my Desire. Music sounded AWFUL. Lots of clicks and pops on drum sounds. I normalized the mp3s to 90% and it seems to have fixed it.
Hi!
I choose WMA for my Audio Codec. So is there a way to add WMA too Froyo?
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I found
libomx_wmadec_sharedlibrary.so
what is the next step?
To do that , you'd have to delve into the NDK and build a native app in C, modify the decoder so it works on the SnapDragon Processor, and then build a new media player app around it.
Just grab a transcoder like Handbrake, and transcode from WMA to OGG Vorbis or any of the other Formats available here: developer.android.com/guide/appendix/media-formats.html
You could use FormatFactory : http://www.formatoz.com/
Does this mean that when people with a Nexus One have the phone updated, they lose WMA support?
I dont have a N1 or Desire to be honest, i have a little Hero that i am messing about with, and this thread came up first in my google search for "froyo 2.2 wma"
I was under the impression that HTC added WMA support to Sense, but I've never had the need to try it out myself.
Regards,
Dave
Suggest me one video player which can play all the formats of video such as .avi, .mpg etc etc.
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VLC just released an app for Android. Google it.
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VLC just released an app for Android. Google it.
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http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-android.html
vital player in the market supports all codecs! and its free
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VLC just released an app for Android. Google it.
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VLC is pretty great for being an alpha. Stock player is still the best though.
Nothing beats stock player atm. I'm on CM7, so I don't have the flawless Samsung player, hence I also need a replacement. The best I've got so far is mobo player, however it can't handle HD videos that well. There's also Rock player, but to me it seemed even worse than Mobo player. I've also gave VLC player a try, but in this alpha stage it's unusable; it has lower than 1 FPS on HD videos. So, I'm waiting for improvements on either of them.
I use QQPlayer for playing RMVB files. Super I should say
Vplayer, all the way.
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Mx video player the best
Plays all formats and also supports dual audio
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Dice Player, supports flac and dts audio fully unlike the others I've tried.
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Mx video player the best
Plays all formats and also supports dual audio
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Does It suport dual audio? How? for me It doesn´t work ...
Thanks all
I want 2 know what is dual audio?
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shantanuparadkar said:
Thanks all
I want 2 know what is dual audio?
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Multi audio track in single file.
Single MKV/MP4 file may have 2 or more audio track.
some players like dice,mx can choose audio track.
Ohk. Thanks
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There seems to be 2 Mobo players on the market. The original one, and a "newer" one. No idea if the newer one is legit or notably different.
Generally, there is very little the stock player won't handle, if you find something then Mobo seems to be able to deal with it.
My Samsung Galaxy s2 Stock Media Player dosent play ac3 Audio files or Mp4 Files with Ac3 audio decoded. I was able to play those using Dice player or rockplayer. But i dont have an option called 5.1 to enable on those players unlinke stock player.
The official Samsung Site or other specification gives the specification (This is from wikipedia)
For audio it supports (FLAC, WAV, Vorbis, MP3, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, MID, AC3, XMF). For video formats and codecs it supports (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, DivX HD/XviD, VC-1) and video formats (3GP (MPEG-4), WMV (ASF) as well as AVI (DivX)).
Issues:
1. Stock Media Player dosent play ac3 Audio files or Mp4 FIles with Ac3 audio decoded (Stock Media Player gives the Option 5.1 to be enabled but ac3 not playing)
2. Other players play it Under software decoding, But main Problem is 5.1 isn't working with Head phones
I googled and found some Users were able to Play it with stock media Players. Read something like "I dont have any problem playing those files, I just copy and play them"
I am now confused is this happeneing with my device alone, So guys how do you dea this?
Please reply so that i would be grateful to you guys
Until someone makes video codec for the sg2 Mali gpu, no software codec will be able to handle high res video better than the stock video player, or lower res video with the same battery efficiency.
That being said, audio decoding and subtitle handling don't need that horsepower, and more and more players mix stock decoder hardware features for the video part and software management for the rest.
Magnanimousdude said:
My Samsung Galaxy s2 Stock Media Player dosent play ac3 Audio files or Mp4 Files with Ac3 audio decoded. I was able to play those using Dice player or rockplayer. But i dont have an option called 5.1 to enable on those players unlinke stock player.
The official Samsung Site or other specification gives the specification (This is from wikipedia)
For audio it supports (FLAC, WAV, Vorbis, MP3, AAC, AAC+, eAAC+, WMA, AMR-NB, AMR-WB, MID, AC3, XMF). For video formats and codecs it supports (MPEG-4, H.264, H.263, DivX HD/XviD, VC-1) and video formats (3GP (MPEG-4), WMV (ASF) as well as AVI (DivX)).
Issues:
1. Stock Media Player dosent play ac3 Audio files or Mp4 FIles with Ac3 audio decoded (Stock Media Player gives the Option 5.1 to be enabled but ac3 not playing)
2. Other players play it Under software decoding, But main Problem is 5.1 isn't working with Head phones
I googled and found some Users were able to Play it with stock media Players. Read something like "I dont have any problem playing those files, I just copy and play them"
I am now confused is this happeneing with my device alone, So guys how do you dea this?
Please reply so that i would be grateful to you guys
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Something is wrong or missing, can't really give you an answer because I never seen that happen before. Should give more info about the file your trying to play.
Besides that, why not just stick to the 3rd party apps. I stop using stock since it barely plays anything correctly compared to both MX and Dice player anymore. Or is that 5.1 sound effect really that necessary to you?
Disfected said:
Dice Player, supports flac and dts audio fully unlike the others I've tried.
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And Dice Player handle 1080p mkv very well.
I just got an update today for both my Gnex and N7 and tested it out and it works!!! I am SOO happy now This has been bothering me for so long, but after the update, I put a live album on that is easy to tell and there were NO GAPS!!
I'm just mildly happy. It does work for MP3 and Vorbis files, but not for AAC which I happen to use for my audio collection. Haven't tested any other formats so far.
Definitely a step in the right direction though.
MoosDiagramm said:
I'm just mildly happy. It does work for MP3 and Vorbis files, but not for AAC which I happen to use for my audio collection. Haven't tested any other formats so far.
Definitely a step in the right direction though.
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Well, I upload my music to google music, and all higher quality music just gets converted to the highest rate MP3 anyway. But that is good to know, thanks.
Listening to it now, love it.
#Galaxy Nexus HSPA+
I think this was done in time to appease people who buy the Nexus 4 and need a solution for music that they can't put on their phone due to the low storage space.
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I think this was done in time to appease people who buy the Nexus 4 and need a solution for music that they can't put on their phone due to the low storage space.
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And gapless playback helps this how?
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And gapless playback helps this how?
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People with a ton of music on their computer, especially live albums, tend to love things like gapless playback. If they can't play a lot of music on their phone locally, as is the case on the Nexus 4 with its limited storage which is also needed for apps, photos, video, etc, they will buy another phone or a dedicated mp3 player. However, now that Google music has gapless playback just in time for the sale of the Nexus 4, more people will warm up to the idea of playing their music over the cloud with a Nexus 4 and they will buy it.
This isn't related to cloud storage. Gapless playbck didn't work AT ALL in the Android music app until now, even for files stored on the device.
I've tested a different AAC encoder and the files it produced do play gaplessly.
Apparently, the gapless information stored by Nero AAC (current version 1.5.4.0) isn't supported by the Android music app. It does work an any other device/software player with gapless playback support I tried, so the problem is probably on Google's end. It even works on Apple devices.
Files produced by the Quicktime AAC encoder work fine.
Does it have to be in an album or what? And is the gap less trigger stored in the file itself?
There are some tracks - not live albums - of various artists that have gap less tracks (Green Day's Holiday and Boulevard Of Broken Dreams is an example, Royksopp's Melody A.M. album is another)... So how does it great those tracks in that case? Gap less, or standard?
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You're confusing gapless with crossfade. Crossfade plays the second track before the first ends, merging them into one. Gapless just makes sure that there is no additional gap between the files, the second track is played exactly when the first ends.
As you can see, there is no reason to disable gapless for specific situations. It is never harmful.
I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
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aeoveu said:
I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
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Gapless playback under Android doesn't remove any data from the files or depend on any metadata scheme. It just plays the tracks back-to-back so that any silence between tracks is due to that silence being encoded in the files themselves.
The underlying mechanism for gapless playback was added to the Android SDK for Jellybean/4.1. I added it my music app a couple months ago. I was surprised that Google didn't add this into their player at the same time that Jellybean was released.
Oh... So there's no gap or delay when playing the files (or switching from one file to another), right?
I thought it involved using a buffer and cutting to the next file and whatnot.
So its all normal. Thanks.
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Hmm some things are gapless others aren't. Really annoying.
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aeoveu said:
I didn't mean cross fade; I know exactly what gapless playback is all I was curious to find out was are there certain rules where gapless playback kicks in, or does it apply on all tracks by default.
(In short - how the app knows when to remove gaps and when to treat it like normal files)
Because it was said that encoding it in AAC using Nero doesn't help, but QuickTime encoding works... So... Kinda confusing me.
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Ah, now I understand what you mean.
Lossy audio compression (like MP3, AAC, whatever...) adds a bit of silence at the end and beginning of each track. It's part of how lossy audio codecs work.
In order to remove this silence during playback, modern encoding tools write some additional data to the compressed audio file that says "remove x milliseconds at the beginning and y milliseconds at the end" to restore the tracks original length. Players need to look for such data and skip the additional parts accordingly.
If you take an album that has silence at the end of tracks on the CD and convert it to MP3/AAC/whatever, it will add some more silence to it. A player that supports gaplesss playback will remove this additional silence, but keep the original silence that was on the CD.
AFAIK, there is no official standard on how to write this gapless information to the compressed audio file, so different codecs do it in a different way and developers of audio players must take a look at files produced by popular codecs to understand how each codec handles it and implement support for it.
Android 4.2 along with the latest version of the music app supports the format used by Lame MP3, Vorbis and Quicktime AAC (and probably others, these are just the ones I tested). AAC files produced by Nero AAC, which do have gapless data and work fine on other players, are not supported at the moment.
Ahhh so that's how it works. I've been a long time winamp user and use the silence remover capability in there...which does it on the fly! Never tried it with portable devices...but I think I may give it a shot this time.
Cheers!
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I enjoy the cross-fade feature in PowerAmp, would be cool to see that implemented one day too.
Cross fading in those apps are basic i.e. they only work on a constant. Not sure if any of you guys know about this plugin for Winamp called Sqr Advanced Cross fader... it works based on the silence level of the currently paying song, and works wonderfully in most cases.
Then there are times when I end up cross fading songs myself in Winamp
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MoosDiagramm said:
Ah, now I understand what you mean.
Lossy audio compression (like MP3, AAC, whatever...) adds a bit of silence at the end and beginning of each track. It's part of how lossy audio codecs work.
In order to remove this silence during playback, modern encoding tools write some additional data to the compressed audio file that says "remove x milliseconds at the beginning and y milliseconds at the end" to restore the tracks original length. Players need to look for such data and skip the additional parts accordingly.
If you take an album that has silence at the end of tracks on the CD and convert it to MP3/AAC/whatever, it will add some more silence to it. A player that supports gaplesss playback will remove this additional silence, but keep the original silence that was on the CD.
AFAIK, there is no official standard on how to write this gapless information to the compressed audio file, so different codecs do it in a different way and developers of audio players must take a look at files produced by popular codecs to understand how each codec handles it and implement support for it.
Android 4.2 along with the latest version of the music app supports the format used by Lame MP3, Vorbis and Quicktime AAC (and probably others, these are just the ones I tested). AAC files produced by Nero AAC, which do have gapless data and work fine on other players, are not supported at the moment.
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Very nice explanation, thank you!
So I went ahead and listened to some of my lossy mixes, still .1 second gaps between songs... it hurts wish the player could analyze the spectrum and fix this... guess nobody at google listens to trance
On the plus side, I ran a local mix that was in FLAC, and it was truly gapless! Too bad that it every 30 seconds theres a .5 second pause.....
I remember not having these problems 2004, why do I have them in 2012
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Just use PowerAmp, you'll need to pay a few Euro's, but that player is just great! Gapless playback? Like that is a novelty! PowerAmp had Gapless playback 2 years ago already! Besides that, PowerAmp has a great Equalizer and a big deal of other settings to match it to your liking...
Hi everyone anyone know of a app or website to convert mp3 audio books to aax the audible format?
Thanks
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