Hi
I'll try to explain my situation.
I have an Imate PDA2k that I wanted to revive.
I bought an extended battery from ebay (item number 360240003003)
When the battery arrived, I placed it in the phone and tried to charge it. Nothing happened. The phone's led did not turn orange or green.
I figured maybe because the battery is over 2x the capacity of the original, the phone may not be able to charge it.
Ok no problem, I'll stick the battery on the separate battery charger.
The light turns on (indicating that it is charging).
After the battery was charged, I put it back in the phone and the phone turns on. Problem is the battery meter does not measure how much power is left and automatically turns off the screen within 30 seconds regardless of the settings i put in.
I've tried increasing the time to turn off the screen to 5 minutes, nothing.
I've tried reflashing the phone with different versions of WM, (I tried wm2003, wm6.1, wm6.5) nothing.
I even tried Qtopia linux. That one did not recognize the battery but it did obey it's own configuration regarding when to dim and turn off the screen. (Then again it locks up after a few hours which is a problem for a different discussion)
So my question / request is: Is there a battdrvr.dll or battery.dll that can report to windows mobile that the battery is full?
At this point, I really don't care if the report is accurate as long as windows doesn't turn off the screen after 30 seconds. I'd be satisfied if the battery reported 100% all the time (hard coded in there).
Thanks in advance,
anubis_2003
anubis_2003 said:
Hi
I'll try to explain my situation.
I have an Imate PDA2k that I wanted to revive.
I bought an extended battery from ebay (item number 360240003003)
When the battery arrived, I placed it in the phone and tried to charge it. Nothing happened. The phone's led did not turn orange or green.
I figured maybe because the battery is over 2x the capacity of the original, the phone may not be able to charge it.
Ok no problem, I'll stick the battery on the separate battery charger.
The light turns on (indicating that it is charging).
After the battery was charged, I put it back in the phone and the phone turns on. Problem is the battery meter does not measure how much power is left and automatically turns off the screen within 30 seconds regardless of the settings i put in.
I've tried increasing the time to turn off the screen to 5 minutes, nothing.
I've tried reflashing the phone with different versions of WM, (I tried wm2003, wm6.1, wm6.5) nothing.
I even tried Qtopia linux. That one did not recognize the battery but it did obey it's own configuration regarding when to dim and turn off the screen. (Then again it locks up after a few hours which is a problem for a different discussion)
So my question / request is: Is there a battdrvr.dll or battery.dll that can report to windows mobile that the battery is full?
At this point, I really don't care if the report is accurate as long as windows doesn't turn off the screen after 30 seconds. I'd be satisfied if the battery reported 100% all the time (hard coded in there).
Thanks in advance,
anubis_2003
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Unfortunately, if Windows believes it is about to run out of juice, it will turn off, regardless of how much charge you believe your battery has. My advice to you would be to return the battery since it obviously has an issue (my guess is that whoever made it, didn't follow the pin out diagram properly )
Good luck!
and the capacity of the battery should not matter to the charger. i use a 3600mah battery that charges just fine (except that it doesn't go in the cradle, neither front, nor back, because it is too thick)
Thank you for the replies folks.
I've had the battery for too long, so I can't return it (been stubburn trying to figure it out)
Is there a way to hard code a value in the battdrvr.dll file? So that way I could break the battery meter in essence and hard code a value to satisfy windows (i don't care if the power runs out without warning at this point)?
anubis_2003
anubis_2003 said:
Thank you for the replies folks.
I've had the battery for too long, so I can't return it (been stubburn trying to figure it out)
Is there a way to hard code a value in the battdrvr.dll file? So that way I could break the battery meter in essence and hard code a value to satisfy windows (i don't care if the power runs out without warning at this point)?
anubis_2003
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Not to my knowledge... I don't know if Chef may have something to add, but rather than messing with drivers, I would simply buy a new one off eBay (much simpler fix). Keep in mind that if it isn't wired properly, it might end up damaging your BA... personally, I wouldn't risk it.
let's assume messing with the drivers would be possible and maybe even easy and you could disable the battery meter and set a permanent number, these are the two outcomes:
1. you'd set the permanent number to 100, device would never switch off (achieved), but it would also never charge! every time you want to charge the battery, you'd have to switch off the device and take out the battery for external charging.
2. you'd set the permanent number to 99, it would never stop charging and so the battery would heat up (remember it is not an original one, even higher risk) and after some time, it could explode! remember the apple battery issues? where users reported, their phones and notebooks would never report a full battery, so it kept charging until it actually exploded, not just breaking the battery (of course) but also the device.
i would agree with egzthunder, that your best choice is buying another battery.
Chef_Tony said:
let's assume messing with the drivers would be possible and maybe even easy and you could disable the battery meter and set a permanent number, these are the two outcomes:
1. you'd set the permanent number to 100, device would never switch off (achieved), but it would also never charge! every time you want to charge the battery, you'd have to switch off the device and take out the battery for external charging.
2. you'd set the permanent number to 99, it would never stop charging and so the battery would heat up (remember it is not an original one, even higher risk) and after some time, it could explode! remember the apple battery issues? where users reported, their phones and notebooks would never report a full battery, so it kept charging until it actually exploded, not just breaking the battery (of course) but also the device.
i would agree with egzthunder, that your best choice is buying another battery.
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Wow! I personally didn't even think about all that! But Chef is absolutely right, the battery can explode if you charge it beyond its limits.
Well that's exactly what I'm doing now. The phone doesn't charge the battery anyway. I have to pull the battery out of the phone every 4 days to charge it overnight in a separate charger. So option #1 would be ideal for me.
Don't suppose you have any hints on how I could do that?
Although you're right about the 99% scenario. Indeed it would try to charge it past its actual limit.
anubis
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Here is the problem :-
1. Full charged batttery (NEW) drain out within 2 hrs
2. Exec in standby mode, got heat (warm)
3. While charging, i put it on standby mode, few second later it wake up it self.
4. while open the cover, usually have to press the power button it's only wakeup, but this time its on every moment..
Tried solution :-
Problems occured while using gprs for internet, it hang so soft reset it... after soft reset everything is fine, but the battery drain out so fast... and the device is WARM...
Flashed back to original rom (o2) - still the same
Tried flashed to WM6 - still the same problem
i got 2 x batteries... the problem still the same (not the battery problem)
anyone can help out with this?
thank you so much
try using 2А battery charger .. I have had similar problems that I decided to convert the old computer power supply for charging purposes
I was going to say your battert's old and dead, but since you said it was independent from the battery, now I think the drain and the heating might be explained by a short circuit somewhere in the non-vital parts of the device, or a malfunction of the power control circuit, causing constant drain and heating up the battery.
As for the device beng constantly on, have you checked the power settings? If those are all right, they can stil be attributed to the faulty power controller...
I suggest you take it to a repair shop(since your ROM-flashing probably voided the warranty, so the provider will just turn you away...), they might be able to do something with it.
I suggest you check back later to see if someone more knowledgeable than me offered confirmation or another opinion...
Good Luck!
theres only one thing i can think of: Turn off your wifi when you dont use it Xp Thats the only reason i can think of when your device gets warm and the battery quickly drained ; D
maicrosoft said:
theres only one thing i can think of: Turn off your wifi when you dont use it Xp Thats the only reason i can think of when your device gets warm and the battery quickly drained ; D
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I don't think so...the wifi doesn't use nearly enough power to heat up the device or drain the battery that quickly. Even with all wireless options enabled, but screen brightness set to minimum, the battery lasts approximately one and a half hours for me.
I think the quick drain and heating is caused by either a non-critical short-circuit or a faulty power controller circuit...
maybe you gor ripped off. what kind of battery did you buy?
The battery that im bought recently
same as the old one.
PU16A Li-ion Polymer Battery 1620mAh
everything i tried to save the power
everything off except the phone, the backlight set to the lowest.
im charge it with my charger instead of USB port from computer
Hey guys,
i have a Vodafone VPx now and all has been great, however yesterday it reckoned the battery charged from 8% to 100% in 10 mins, i left it on the cradle over night, and now the device doesn't show any signs of life apart from a red charging indicator. I took the battery out and metered it, shows up at 3.72 Volts, so battery holds charge. What can i do to get the device to power again?
T.I.A
RJ
I'm not an expert but I would suggest to leave the device in the cradle and try to boot it when charging it. In this way you can decide whether it's a battery or some other malfunction. Maybe the internal backup battery needs to be replaced, but I don't know if it would let the battery indicator LED to blink...
I replaced my battery because it showed that it's fully charged but when uncradled the device won't connect to bluetooth devices or regularly drops the connection, it even resets itself although the indicator displaying full charge. Now everything is OK. You may consider buying a new battery if it's older than 2-3 years, but first test if that causes this behavior.
hi,
actually i'm experiencing the same thing..
my BA if used to connect to wifi, not more than 5 minutes it will hang with the screen goes blank.. so is it because of my internal back up battery that needs to be replaced or my main battery that need to be replaced?
FYI, backdays before, i got notification that my internal battery runs dry..
Ive just bought a BA off ebay and it came with 2 batts, but 1 of the batts keeps causing the BA to turn off evern if the batt is fully charged.. odd hey?
speedy2009, I think that one was the original battery bundled because it has no value any more so the seller sent it with the machine, all in all it's not a bad device for it's years.
jilaxzone, don't know how to test this, because sometimes the device gives false alarms, I would take it to a PDA shop and let them replace the internal battery as this is cheaper than the main battery.
Also Ive figgered out that if the backup battery is low, it gets charged up from the main battery.
Should everything be lost from the memory once the backup battery runs out? Cos I did try this morning, taking the main batt out and left the phone for about a hr. When I put the batt in, even tho windows said the backup batt was completely empty, it still had all my info in windows??
Hi, the backup battery is responsible for the time and date. The other functions of it are unknown to me. Fortunately the ROM storage is not lost when the battery drains completely
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Hi, the backup battery is responsible for the time and date. The other functions of it are unknown to me. Fortunately the ROM storage is not lost when the battery drains completely
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If thats the case theres no real reason for a backup batt cos it only takes a few secs to alter time and date, like on a normal mobile phone.
Hi. I have a Voda branded TP2.
I have installed the 1% battery indicator and have realised that the battery is dropping at an alarming rate. In two hours without any data activity, just two calls of 5 mins each and the battery has already reached 74%. The number drops in front of my eyes. Quite scary actually.
Anybody else faced a similar porblem?
2 things I can advice you (as a TP2 beginner)
-First times: charge up to 12 hours non-stop even when light is green (has nothing to do with phone but with the chemical proces inyour battery) this will prolong lifetime
-This TP2 WWE ROM has a lot (and I mean A LOT!) of background running stuff compared to other WM 6.1 - ROMS. So you thing it is not using any current but it is!
Maybe you could install advance task manager and check out all running programs and processes ...
hope this helps ...
greetz,
Kjoere
Thanks. I have done the 12 hours charging many times - about 6-7 times. Will try the advanced task manager.
Anybody else with a battery problem?
Any application / software is known to be a battery drainer?
Thanks
Had a strange one last night. Went to be, put the phone on charge (was about 16% iirc), and the orange light came on to say it was charging. Then, this morning at about 3am, I hear the phone making bleeps. Check it out, and it's at 5%, with orange light flashing. Take out charger, put it back in, and it starts charging. I went out afterwards, came back about 4.30, and it says it was about 80% complete. Go sleep, wake up about 7.30am, and it's fully charged (green light). Then, I unplug charger, turn on, and it says 96%, and I notice it dropping the amount of charge in front of me (like OP's notice), until it got to about 91%.
Now, about 5 hours later, it reckons the charge is 74%. So dunno why it went down so quickly, and why it didn't actually charge... But will keep my eye on it and see how it goes...
data connection
Another way 2 keep your eye on it: check data connection (start>settings>connections>comm manager) a lot of stuff open this connection which uses power. if it turns on without you knowing .... (especially auto-update plugins (weather?)), sometimes AS also ...
gr
C.
For indo, it says here (amongst others)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=519673
that it isn't a good idea to do "old style battery cycling"
I really don't know what to think of LiPo battery management, so many different theories.
Also, something that annoys me is that I fully charge the TP2 overnight, in the morning the lights green. If I simply unlug charger and plug in back in it well go back orange and stay orange for a good half hour... and I can start again a few times...
To be honest, I had to hard reset my device couple of times and haven't had time to 'fully' recharge it after the resets.
I guess I will give it a few days of full charging and then check on the battery.
But, I am not joking when the 1% battery meter just drops numbers faster than a meter at the gas station.
vinayaksupekar said:
To be honest, I had to hard reset my device couple of times and haven't had time to 'fully' recharge it after the resets.
I guess I will give it a few days of full charging and then check on the battery.
But, I am not joking when the 1% battery meter just drops numbers faster than a meter at the gas station.
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I had this problem when I have push mail turn on. If you disable push mail and set it to receive like every 15 mins, it save the power a lot.
Try the advance config to auto disconnect every x mins, this will helps as well.
Hi HaveryR and others,
yep your source isn't to bad. Beginning with full charges (6 to 12 hrs instead of 3 like the manual says) isn't about the old charge-memory story (because Lithium-Ion battery don't work this way, only the nickel-cadmium and nimH do) but about fully charging cells.
I mean the best way to look upon this is like a pile of bricks on top of each other (all different cells if you wish). So the first time it is important to give all the bricks enough time to charge - so even when it says 100% it does not mean that it has (you're indicator is a feedback of a reading by your cpu). So not all the bricks (let's say) have the same quality (yesyes even in this day and age of hight teck).
So you can also take this parallel to discharging: if you discharge fully, you risk that one of these bricks get busted and so will NEVER recover.
So i agree on this with your source a LiOn batter is bettery served with frequent partial charging and must NEVER be drained completely
Greetz,
Kjoere
Guys,
I put the TP2 on for charging the whole night (about 9 hours). In the morning the LED was green and the battery meter said 100%. I took the charger off from the handset and re-inserted the tip in. Guess what? 95%.
AM not sure if it is a battery problem or handset problem?
Its come down to 73% with just one phone call of 5 mins. Mail is on, but its on manual and havent pulled anything since morning.
Any idea?
Man, I hate starting new threads! I did a simple search and couldn't find this problem anywhere else, so here goes:
Earlier in 2009 I bought an extended 2400mAh battery for my Kaiser (8925). Everything is working just fine, except that I noticed that the phone doesn't seem to notice that the battery life is much better for this new battery.
What I mean is: after a few hours of usage, the battery level drops at a normal rate.
Once the phone tells me the battery is almost dead (and sometimes the phone will shut off if I ignore this), I can shut down the phone, remove the battery, wait a few seconds and then replace it and boot back up the phone.
At this point, the phone will usually tell me that the battery is at 33% to 36% charged. Notice that I did not charge the battery, I just removed it and put it back in.
When I first got the battery, I cycled it completely three times in the phone, removing it twice and replacing it to ensure that the battery was completely drained before charging it to 100%. (Yes, I know that is only recommended for metal-hydrates, but I feel better doing that anyway).
On the top-end, it usually takes about two hours to charge the phone from 30% to 99% via a standard USB2.0 connector.
However, the phone will report that the battery is not fully charged for nearly an hour after reaching 99%.
I know what you are probably thinking; Why is this guy complaining about his battery performing better than his phone reports?
Well, it IS kind of annoying. I would like the phone to properly report the remaining percentage for my own benefit. I really hate having to guess at how much time I have left before I need to drop it off at a computer or wall outlet while I find something else to play with for three or four hours.
So... Does anyone know how I can convince my phone that the battery is pretty awesome and to start reporting the actual battery life?
Good day to everyone! Hope you all are doing well!
To start with, power consumption was just terrible on MIUI, i switched to custom firmware (crDroid) - according to subjective feelings, energy efficiency has improved twice as much, no less, and it was like new birth for my phone!
However, I am VERY annoyed and a couple of times already have been put myself in an awkward situation due to one problem with the phone, which is long, no, actually VERY long time to turn on after full discharge. It takes up to 10 minutes to charge 1A after the phone has run out of power (!!!) so that the device turns on, and the screen may show that there is 1-2%, but when you turn on the device declares that the battery is too low to turn on. Just imagine how awesome is to miss calls from your clients because you`re waiting for your phone to charge enough that it can turn on for decades of minutes... and if i am in a trip and connect it to pc, then charge time before turning on may exceed 30 minutes!!
In this regard, my question is: is it possible to somehow configure the phone to turn off from discharge at a higher battery current (i.e. that the phone turns off in fact at 3-4% of charging, but in the interface it is displayed as 1%) so as not to wait for a hundred years until the phone is charged? Ruth has access, of course.
I was thinking about editing init.d or systemd, or whatever its Android counterpart is. Maybe there already are any solutions for this? Or if not can someone give me an advice where to dig in to make the things work like i want them to?
Great thanks in advance!
I just use "gsam battery monitor" to play an alarm when the battery drops to 20%, I look after my battery as i cannot afford to replace my N8P anytime soon, I also set an alarm so i get a warning when i am charging and it hits 80%(you have to pull out the charger), As charging to 100% every time damages your battery.
It would be nice if the phone could be set to stop charging at 80% or 90% like you can on a lot of notebooks.