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WinMo to Android "converts"

If this phone gets to the US through att (please!) I'm thinking hard about picking it up. I have a question though for the users that have switched from winmo to android.
I've been a winmo user since the wizard days and here lately I've grown tired of the daily resets (or multiple resets per day) to keep memory down and things running smooth. I love the Sense UI but it's a hog on winmo. I never thought I'd go to another phone that didn't have a slide out keyboard but the desire is something I'm really considering.
I realize this is a modding community and I'm sure I'll mod the device, but whereas the sense ui on winmo is "lipstick on a pig" it seems it's a lot more seamless on android.
Mainly i think i'm just getting burned out on winmo, but i refuse to support the evil empire of apple lol. I just want a phone that i don't have to restart every day, and I'm hoping android can be that.
So uh, does android "just work"?

Depending on how much of a "power user" one is , you could say Android just works.
I mean, Android with Sense + some minor tweaks and i don't have the urge to hack my phone into little pieces. I just use it.
Then again, for "just using" you might aswell get the iPhone.

Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/

brummiesteven said:
Yes android does "Just Work"
And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
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what u mean by different? whats so different?

cez10 said:
what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Some of the design and the widgets of course and the integration. Plus it's slower on winmo than on android...

Almost identical reasons as the OP for me very seriously considering moving to the Desire.
Sense on Android does seem far more customisable than on WinMo devices. I've been using WinMo device since the Imate JAM.

cez10 said:
what u mean by different? whats so different?
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Sense UI on winmo is basically touchflo

I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc

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I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).
I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...
-Mc
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same here... i absolutely love WinMo and will never, ever abandon it. i'm waiting for the HD2 to drop on T-Mo so i can test before i buy. if i get the HD2 it will be the Telstra version. i might wait longer for a WinMo 7 device, too.
i took the Android plunge almost 2 months ago with the Nexus One. i have been challenged to no end to learn some of the Android basics, but i'm getting there. once i got the courage to unlock and root, it was friggin on! now i'm running the alpha Desire ROM (yes alpha), a.k.a, Sense UI, which isn't perfect, but from a functionality and performance perspective i couldn't be happier. (well, that's not entirely true, i'm hoping that [email protected] can get bluetooth fixed, it's a little flaky right now). i truly, truly hope that WM Seven is similar in performance and functionality.
using Android hasn't been an easy journey and i was very concerned that i'd change my mind and go back to WinMo, but it hasn't happened. i know i will be a better, more knowledgeable hacker in the future. some of the things i admire with Android/Nexus One:
ability to create backups before testing new ROMs. i mean backups with all my apps installed. a.k.a., Nandroid
the ability to recover from my mistakes via Nandroid backups.
a buttload of themes, customizations galore for the Nexus One
notification panel, where you can slide down for all your notifications
a great browsing experience
absolutely beautiful AMOLED screen
with a 1 ghz processor, this thing is simply fast
gesture search of contacts, music, apps, web, etc. it's like the old graffiti but using the regular alphabet
things that are challenging me big time:
Android command language
ROM/folder structures, basically where stuff get's stored
java, java, java
no native install to microSD card, there's AP2SD, but i'm not ready for that yet
not knowing how Android manages memory, programs, etc.
knowing how to create my own themes; i've had more failures than successes
having to depend more on others for assistance than i'm accustomed to.
i'm glad i made the transition to Android with the right device (for me). i miss WinMo and my all time favorite device Touch HD. i have an Xda Orbit II as a standby that's been good to me for 2 years. i'll be back to WinMo 7, but for now, i'm enjoying my Android experience.
i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to move to Android; i only want to share my experience as a current/forever, diehard WinMo user. thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts!
p.s. i still have my first WinMo device, it's an MPx 200 running WinMo 6.5. a classic device that i will never give up!

I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.
A few questions to Android users!
How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards

great time to stumble on this thread.... my HD2 is no more and despite only using winmo for 3 months, I'm ready to go to Android too.
I'm no smartphone veteran - but something I enjoyed on the HD2 was the PSX emulator - will we see anything like that on Android?
Does anyone know about the development of medical apps for professionals as well as students?
Much appreciated.So far the Desire is looking like a strong contender but do the wise folks here have any other phone tips?

Hi there.
I am quite a WinMobile user. I already worked with WinCE many many years ago, but couldn't ever think of having a phone with WinCE/WinMobile. Then 2 years ago, I got myself the Tytn II because I wanted to advance in my mobile experience. After using it quite a while, flashing ROMs and doing stuff with it, I thought I'd never switch away from WinMobile. Until the real problems started.
A friend of mine got a Hero last year and I started playing around a bit. Android really seemed to me, that it is pretty nice and you can do a bunch of things with it. I then tried some Android things on my Tytn II and was pretty happy with playing around with it. My first Android experience was with the G1. But I really didn't like it back then.
Currently I use the iPhone I repaired for a friend (just some minor testing because I don't like it) and I must say, that I am already pretty accustomed to the touchscreen keyboard (like everyone knows, the touchscreen keyboards on Tytn II are crap) (and the iPhone sucks... did I mention that?). But, I always wanted a hardware keyboard again. The only good device currently is the Moto Droid. But it already lacks due to the processor and not natively having Android 2.1. So I looked around a bit and found the Nexus One. Would be pretty cool, but it's still not yet available in germany. So I waited. Then the MWC. HTC Desire. Now this is what I want and this is what I will get. Already pre-ordered and hopefully it will hit the market soon. Can't wait for it.
This will be my first Android device, but I look forward to a bright future with it I already like the customizability of it and of course the big screen and everything else. Despite the little things.
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years

Balrog82 said:
Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years
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I would say that anything with android on it would still be considered a google phone since google came up with android in the first place. They get a customer either way
However, I have no idea how they make money out of this since it is open source. Maybe they are like huge donators to a charity for all us techno geeks, just to make life more pleasant for us.

Just wanted to say I recently traded my tp2 for 200$ plus a G1, and I couldn't have been happier. The G1 is GREAT. It's not rooted yet, but I already like the experience more then the Tp2 with sense.
Im going to be trading the G1 for a Magic soon, and I will get sense on that. Im sure I will enjoy it even more then.
I liked winmo 6.5. But 7 looks like garbage to me. So I jumped ship from a dieing platform, and I suggest others to do so aswell. Android is great.

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im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal

sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Your reasons why the HD2 (with WM 6.5) is better than Android:
1. Yes, it has a 4.3 inch screen, and currently there is no Android device that has such a huge screen. I myself find the screen beautiful, but would not mind using a slightly smaller screen. The HTC HD2 can be hard to use sometimes, because of that massive screen.
2. The 1 GHz processor is fast indeed, but the Nexus One and HTC Desire both have a 1 GHz processor as well. Since most people here are talking about the HTC Desire, this point makes no sense. Both have a 1 GHz processor.
3. Android Market = 20.000 apps and growing, fast. WM Marketplace = biggest Smartphone Application Store failure ever. Seriously.
And yes, there may be many 'apps' on the internet that you can use on the HTC HD2. But really, of what quality are they? First of all, they are random spread on the internet, so very hard to find. Secondly, they are made for Windows Mobile in GENERAL, or if you are lucky for Windows Mobile 6.5. But then again, it could be made for another device, with a 3.5 inch screen, which means it will not be optimized for the HTC HD2.
So what I am trying to say is: the HTC HD2 lacks good apps. Android Market on the other hand offers many applications, which are easy to find and install & usually better quality.
4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
So my vision is still, HTC Desire > HTC HD2

XDA mark said:
4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.
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Android, unlike win mo, is an open source operating system so the scope for new roms, new featurs etc is better than Windows Mobile.
Check G1 Android Development or Nexus One Android Development to see the vast amount of roms avaliable.

sallal said:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...
i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...
so why android ? the hd2 has:
- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)
- faster processor
- more apps (but spread in the www)
- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)
also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....
when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...
Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...
Greetz
sallal
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Sorry mate but I think a mega fail on your part, you just bought a device that can only run at this stage on a dying OS that will be unsupported shortly. No new fancy apps or games..... And technically you are not a convert, so why you posting?
I will be switching to the desire after having my blackstone for a year. I hate win-mo. No matter which version (6.1 -too old, 6.5 - still ugly and looks the same as 6.1, or 6.5.x which looks slightly better but that's it) I always try and improve things. That's the prob I find, it doesn't do what most people want it to do straight out of the box. You have to apply a zillion reg fixes, patches, work arounds all to get something android does straight out of the box..... Can't wait!!!! been fiddling with android on my blackstone and it rules, so pretty and logical

For reference on the switching to Android from WM thing, I bought an n1 a month or so ago, with great hesitation, and came from a TP2. I've been an avid WM guy for about 2 years, mostly due to being amazed at eeeeverything you could do.
The just works thing is the best answer. But it's also more of a black box, yet more customizable. linux is no registry having windows system. however, sense on android makes wm touchflo rediculous. The home system is completely different but similar thinking. The Android homescreen with sense is seven screens, customizable completely and easily with either shortcuts or widgets, smaller tiny always on versions of programs that you choose. htc designed a widget to replace each pane on the WM version, for example text email weather etc.
But there is a big similarity. The weather clock, the dialer, the keyboard, and mostly the weather widget, is exactly, down to color and design, the same. And so when converting to Android, if you liked htc, the desire will be instantly usable.
For more info you can search my thread in the TP2 forum. By the way I am dying to have an Android phone released like the TP2, except more 2010: very thin, wider screen, good speakerphone nice keyboard. I'ld buy that droid in a heartbeat if it was gsm, b ut i hate the keyboard. thats the idea though, or like the toshiba g1 w/ the qwerty version.

Thinking about.....

Hi
My contract is up for renewal soon and I've decided to give the Android platform a go after using WM pda phones for 10 years or so.
I'd narrowed it down to the Desire then saw the Samsung Galaxy S with its built in 8 / 16 gb and had a brief moment of "which one".
However, I currently have a Samsung i900 which I've had for 18 months and while its okay, it doesn't seem as good as previous HTC models I've had, especially the screen so the Desire is back to the top of the list.
My wife has recently got an iphone 3gs and the screen and interface on that is awfull when compared to what I'm used to although she loves it but shes never used any of my phones in the past.
The only reservation I have about changing to Android is that I have all my favorite WM programs in Cab format and can set up a new WM device in a couple of minutes. Still, the unkown aspect will be fun and there is plenty of support on this site which I've missed with the i900 although the Modaco guys are very helpful.
Anyway, enough waffle. I'll probably be back soon with questions on how to do this or that.

Once you have apps on yur device you can back them up onto your SD card to be reinstalled easily in future so that takes care of that!
I came from a HD2 and Android is a million miles ahead of WinMo IMO - and the Desire is an awesome device, better than the iPhone 3GS
Get one, you won't be disappointed

As somebody who has just moved from a long term WM relationship to the Desire I can tell you that it didn't hurt.
The learning curve is not that steep and apart from a few niggles, I am not missing anything (apart from Live Mesh) yet.

I feel like a kid thats waiting for xmas - getting impatient but excited cos I know that my contract'll be up in a few days. Desire here I come.

from someone who's been on windows mobile for 2 years and had the hd2 since the day of the release, switching to the desire was the best move i ever made. I loved my hd2 but the desire is amazing. I do miss the nice big screen on the hd2 but oh well. IMO android is what windows mobile should have been, it is smooth, stable and i have never needed to perform a soft reset as of yet. I remember with the hd2 i was flashing roms on a weekly basis and use to love customising, but i can honestly say i am glad i switched

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Wow first one to vote, maybe im just abit excited lol.
Omnia 7 is at the top of my list atm. GSMARENA has a good review of the device already (no idea how they got hold of it)

Im gonna hang on to my current device and by a WP7 phone when they start coming out with a second line of phones.

just bought my desire. WinMo 7 doesn't look too customizable, but only time will tell

Former long time windows mobile user, not impressed, Ill stick with my EVO for now.

Going to get a better Android phone I think... probably Samsung Epic 4G now or Evo (more than the WP7) ones now.

Once I see multiple calendar support, we'll talk. As for now: never.

Like a lot of people here, I have a HTC HD2 and am running WM6.5 and Android 2.2 on it. So, for me, I'll consider a WP7 device once my HD2 either dies (let's pray it never happens) or maybe in 6-12months when it's time for an upgrade.

Casey_boy said:
Like a lot of people here, I have a HTC HD2 and am running WM6.5 and Android 2.2 on it. So, for me, I'll consider a WP7 device once my HD2 either dies (let's pray it never happens) or maybe in 6-12months when it's time for an upgrade.
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Me too.... HD2 forever

Our beloved HD2s can run any OS so why switch to WP7 when the HD2 already runs it (Not public yet!)
The hardware in most (currently presented) WP7 devices is as good as our HD2's
So.. maybe I will buy one if the hardware is superior to the HD2's!!!

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Once I see multiple calendar support, we'll talk. As for now: never.
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Um, there is multiple calendar support.

Looks great to me, especially the Dell Venue Pro.

Sure, why not. Every HTC phone that I have had was Windows. Why would I give up now? I have played with the HTC EVO running Android, and I do not like it. I prefer Windows. That is my own personal opinion and choice from experience, and somewhat from what I have spoken with other people who have Android phones from different manufactures, which I have personaly tried and played with for a while with each and every one of them.
I just prefer Windows over anything else.

maybe and unsure is about the same.
im hoping it can be ported to the hd2. that'll save me some money

for sure i will buy the WP7 phone HD7 i think... as i am HTC fan as well as WM.

Not at this time. I love the interface. I just don't like the rest of the story. The system just locks you in. Perhaps if could be jailbroken, that would change things.

Well I got the HTC Desire on Android 2.2 and thus far I don't see anything I prefer in the Win 7 phones that would make me switch. If anything it has less functionality at present with no cut & paste, no tethering and no SD card. I do like some of the features though but will wait and see how they develop this, so for now it's a no.

I think Microsoft has missed a trick with the launch of WP7, by basing the OS entirely for phone devices. As with Android it can be used not only on phones but tablets as well and judging by how the community response to the Sammy Tab is high with enthusiasm i think MS should have looked further forward than just Windows 'Phone' 7 and evolved further ahead with appying its new OS to tablets as well, even if not making it available now but atleast showing a mock up to show its potential of being more than just a phone OS.

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Well I got the HTC Desire on Android 2.2 and thus far I don't see anything I prefer in the Win 7 phones that would make me switch. If anything it has less functionality at present with no cut & paste, no tethering and no SD card. I do like some of the features though but will wait and see how they develop this, so for now it's a no.
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What?!? no cut & paste and no sd cards? where can I read up on WP7 features?

Also long time and big time WinMo fan, but I got the EVO and after rooting it, nothing can come close. Win7 simply went the way of iPhone, by locking everything down, so even if it weren't for the rooted EVO being so damned awesome and far above every other phone out there, I wouldn't get a Win7 phone out of iPhone-hatin' spite.
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Xperia upgrade: HD2 or HD7 ?

Hello all.
I am going to replace my X1 to a newer and faster phone.
I decided to remain with WM, even if I briefly considered switching to Android or iPhone.
The first time I saw the upcoming HD7 specs I felt really disappointed, especially for the non-removable ram and the almost-obsolete CPU being used.
Now, considering that running WM7 on HD2 should be quite feasible (I don't really need WM7 anyway), I don't see any good reason why I should get an HD7. HD2 is also currently becoming cheaper in the last few weeks.
Besides audio surround, that I don't need, what's a real plus of HD7 compared to HD2 ?
Thanks
S

sandrinopi said:
Hello all.
I am going to replace my X1 to a newer and faster phone.
I decided to remain with WM, even if I briefly considered switching to Android or iPhone.
The first time I saw the upcoming HD7 specs I felt really disappointed, especially for the non-removable ram and the almost-obsolete CPU being used.
Now, considering that running WM7 on HD2 should be quite feasible (I don't really need WM7 anyway), I don't see any good reason why I should get an HD7. HD2 is also currently becoming cheaper in the last few weeks.
Besides audio surround, that I don't need, what's a real plus of HD7 compared to HD2 ?
Thanks
S
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LOL , the kickstand .

Why would u even consider an HD2... To tinker? Lol. That phone is a dead end if you prioritize support and productivity (yes, I have one).
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what's a real plus of HD7 compared to HD2 ?
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LOL. Wake up man, HD2 is dead i.e., Windows Mobile 6.x is dead, you will not see anymore new app for it (may be some). And within 2 years it will be completely dead.
Seriously you want to spend money on an almost dead phone?
As you said you wanna stay with WM that is Windows
No need to think just go for Windows Phone 7 - HD7!

Android is doing grate on hd2, meego and win phone 7 are probably on their way... so hd2 is a grate phone still... almost why would you spend much money on a worse looking phone with same specs?
So yeah... i just bought my hd2 via ebay ... and I'm lucky!
But winmo 6.5 sucks balls
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You may all be right guys, but considering the hardwares I simply feel that an HD2 running WM7 is simply an HD7 that has a price 20% lower.
Again, an HD2 running WM7, not running WM6.x.
Where do I go wrong ?

The problem is if we indeed get WP7 running on the HD2, I doubt it would be as fast as on the HD7. And there might even be (unseen for now) problems (kinda like how Android is. Great, but far from perfect).
If you want to stick with Windows, I would suggest waiting to see how WP7 turns out on the HD2 before buying.

I am currently in same situation. I need a new phone but can’t decide which OS to choose from.
WM6.5X is aged OS and not much new 3rd party application are made currently for it. However MS still releasing new builds. Seen and using builds like the # 24635 or higher the speed and stability has improved significantly.
WM7 is new seams fast and stable, but completely New OS many of the Basic futures missing compare to WM6.5. For my own opinion the UI is just too simple. It reminds me to Internet page that made just with basic CSS. The biggest disappointment that I have with WM7 is the missing Sync functionality with my MS outlook and Not able to Sync certain MS office files from my Desktop. Furthermore AGAIN the UI, even though you have 3.8” screen but mostly 2/3 is used all other areas is just simple Big Fonts and empty area????
Yes I trust MS will further improve and implement things which are not yet there but definitely they will need TIME. Even with such company and with such resources they can’t do it all at least before 1-2 years’ time.
Android OS and Seen the new upcoming device HTC Desire HD seems the next choice for me after WM6.5.X! HTC DHD has very similar specs like the HTC HD2. However I still struggling with Android because of Not able directly Sync with outlook (there are some 3rd party application though) but mostly because I have never used one for few days to see hands on the limitations.
However having all those thoughts I still considering highly to getting the HD2. Because It still has :
-One of best hardware spec after 1 year
- it has still the best OS that can sync with desktop and MS Outlook and make fully use of Calendar, TASK, NOTES, Contacts, Categories
- There are still tons of old but still good application’s which do the job
- the Price of the HD2 is at least 30-50% cheaper than others.
Be frank if I can get the HTC desire HD with a good price and Android has not much limitation with Sync with desktop then I might consider to give up on HD2 and WM6.X or else I am thinking to get HD2 and see How the WM7 looks alike in 1-2 years’ time

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Android is doing grate on hd2, meego and win phone 7 are probably on their way... so hd2 is a grate phone still... almost why would you spend much money on a worse looking phone with same specs?
So yeah... i just bought my hd2 via ebay ... and I'm lucky!
But winmo 6.5 sucks balls
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Tinkering...
Like I said.
Some people just love the neverending wait for workable (and often bugg as hell) ROMs. The rest of us just want great devices that work.
My expeeiences with the HD2 tells me that it is not that device.
Why do you think its price is dropping like a brick despite it having better specs than over half of the "high end" android phones on the market?
That phome sucks, and your chances of havimg to replace it multiple times after you buy it is much higher than average. They have issues with overheating/reboots requiring the main board to be replaced. WM6.5 is crap - I don't care how well it Syncs to a computer.
No HD video recording - the still camera is also terrible. hTC Sense does very little to save this pjome with the types of deep modifications they've made. 80% of WinMo apps are made for Stylus use and the browsers suck. If you go to Opera 10 u wont have pinch and the screen scrolls oddly.
You can sit here and give all excuses you want, but that's jusy the way it is. Dual booting Andtoid is not viable for the majority of users, and who cares about Meego (rhetorical)?
You're better off gettimg a good phone and experimenting with OS-01 in an emulator on a PC IMO.
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Bulldog said:
I am currently in same situation. I need a new phone but can’t decide which OS to choose from.
WM6.5X is aged OS and not much new 3rd party application are made currently for it. However MS still releasing new builds. Seen and using builds like the # 24635 or higher the speed and stability has improved significantly.
WM7 is new seams fast and stable, but completely New OS many of the Basic futures missing compare to WM6.5. For my own opinion the UI is just too simple. It reminds me to Internet page that made just with basic CSS. The biggest disappointment that I have with WM7 is the missing Sync functionality with my MS outlook and Not able to Sync certain MS office files from my Desktop. Furthermore AGAIN the UI, even though you have 3.8” screen but mostly 2/3 is used all other areas is just simple Big Fonts and empty area????
Yes I trust MS will further improve and implement things which are not yet there but definitely they will need TIME. Even with such company and with such resources they can’t do it all at least before 1-2 years’ time.
Android OS and Seen the new upcoming device HTC Desire HD seems the next choice for me after WM6.5.X! HTC DHD has very similar specs like the HTC HD2. However I still struggling with Android because of Not able directly Sync with outlook (there are some 3rd party application though) but mostly because I have never used one for few days to see hands on the limitations.
However having all those thoughts I still considering highly to getting the HD2. Because It still has :
-One of best hardware spec after 1 year
- it has still the best OS that can sync with desktop and MS Outlook and make fully use of Calendar, TASK, NOTES, Contacts, Categories
- There are still tons of old but still good application’s which do the job
- the Price of the HD2 is at least 30-50% cheaper than others.
Be frank if I can get the HTC desire HD with a good price and Android has not much limitation with Sync with desktop then I might consider to give up on HD2 and WM6.X or else I am thinking to get HD2 and see How the WM7 looks alike in 1-2 years’ time
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Even at release WP7 will offer better desktop synchronization than Android. I wonder if you people ever do research on your own, or just expect us to regurgitate everything to you on a forum...
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N8ter said:
Even at release WP7 will offer better desktop synchronization than Android. I wonder if you people ever do research on your own, or just expect us to regurgitate everything to you on a forum...
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First, I never said Android has better Sync then WM7!!!!. Be Frank I really don’t know how good or bad android is with desktop sync. Or else I would have come to end of my decision.
But be frank I do have expected that MS the should have at the beginning better integration of MS office and desktop sync then they going to have now. I mean they are the maker of MS office, Windows desktop etc. I wonder how one will transfer Office documents, PDF files etc. to the device and able to work with those documents without having a file explorer on the device. Where is the SD card that I can use as Mass Storage and transfer files from one computer to another?
it is a joke that I have Windows desktop which has all my information on it then I have my windows phone just beside of it But I can’t Sync calendar, contact, Notes, Task, Documents without going through a server. well I can understand that MS trying to push the sales of exchange , SharePoint servers, usage of Live/Hotmail’s as they wanted make money with sales of their other software’s or advertisements in Hotmail/bings’s. But as a user which paying about 700-800USD for device I wanted to have the choice to been my own master.
All the hardware problem you have mentioned are not the issue of the OS but rather it is the problem of HTC which also going to manufacture some of the WM7 devises. HTC is pushing out so many different devices and trying of course making much more money that they can. Naturally the quality
Coming back to Wm6.5! I have/had a HTC HD which is obviously hardware wise much less then HD2 but with cooking my own ROM the device and also the OS has performed greatly.
I could have few application open running at the background and switch between them as I like but still for whole week I didn’t need to reset ones. Yes I agree that so many cooked ROMS are out there which have so many crap in it. Furthermore so many guys loading so many different application I wonder how many guys really need some of those regular base.
Well it become again long, at the end everyone is free to choose what one things is right

And google isn't pushimg the use of gmail and google search with android. You're startimg to soumd fanatical, so I won't respond anymore.
And lol @ worrying about Synching media or documents. WP7 will do all that flawlessly via Zune and SkyDrive/Office Web Apps.
Sure, you can multitask on HD2, but ur battery will run out faster than a hooker runs out of condoms. Have fun with that.
Multitasking on smartphones is overrated, anyways. Just something fanbois talk about when an OS they won't use anyways doesn't have it (usually before they use that OS and know absolutely nothing about it, to boot).
Just the lack of decent 3rd party apps will be enough to kill off WM6.5, and of course you'll still be waiting for God knows who to fix the bugs.
I'm not arguing about a phone I own with someone who has never used it... Seriously.
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I'd go with either the HD7 or Desire/HD personally. Buying a HD2 is going to leave you with a choice between poor hacked versions of modern OS's or an abandoned OS with diminishing support.
The hacks are great for existing owners but they aren't really a reason to buy one. Too buggy/unstable.

My opinion: for now - get HD2 definitely.
WP 7 has many annoying limitations
which will effectively hold back the platform for over half a year.
And don't listen to idiots saying "WM 6.5 is dead".
I mean - what dead?
Now the platform has thousands of apps,
it will take some time for WP 7 to reach this level.
Devices are working, not disappearing or exploding because of WP7.
WP7 will be a treat when Microsoft will stop it's idiotic policy
and let users use their devices.
Wait for some time for WP7.

Can you wait til Christmas? If so, then do! (or, at least, that's what I'm doing and I already have a HD2)
You'll get to see whether WP7 has been ported to the HD2 and, if it has, how it is running.
You'll also get some information about WP7 and whether, or not, it is going down well. That might help influence your decision. Equally, you'll get to see how people are reacting to the HD7.
Oh, and the big plus, I imagine that the HD2 will have dramatically dropped in price and, you never know, the HD7 might have dropped a little, or even some newer phones will have come out...
Casey

WM6.5 is dead. Most of the better app devs have either moved to other platforms, or moving to WP7.
The apps exist, but most of them aren't that good, are badly maintained (if at all), or are clunky as hell (side product of the underlying platform).
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HD2 is so great. It can run WM6.5 and Android smoothly. I think it will become the first one can run 3 OSs. You can now switch btw WM, Android easily. HD2 is a great WM6.5 phone, a good Desire, Nexus, Desire HD, Desire Z. HD2 is also a Evo one without 4G funtion (3G, wifi, hotspot are all working).
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HTC HD2 Leo
Rom: Dutty's N4s V3
Radio: 2.15.50
Android Build: Mdeejay FroYo HD, Z, Lex, EvoRevoluton...

Having 2 OS in your device is a huge advantage, belive me, I love having WM 6.5.x and Android Froyo in my Device... HD2 is my best choice
Also it has the requirments for Windows Phone7, so there is a good chance to have it in your HD2 ( there will be some bugs at the biganing )
BELMOT

N8ter, is it possible that you don't like WinMo? lol
I have an HD2 and love it, but would try to wait like others have said to see about WP7. You never want to get stuff when it first comes out b/c of HW/SW issues.

I won't get HD2 due to:
This phone is old. (I know the spec similar / same with HD7 but it feel like getting old device).
Official support till WM 6.5.x
WM 6.5.x is dead product soon.
Soon no more release of WM 6.5.x apps.
BAD quality LCD.
I get HD7 because:
Design better than HD2.
New Phone.
Official support WP7.
No worried on apps in coming future.
Better S-LCD screen.
New experience, what for take HD2 since you own X1 before, it is kind of bored owning same things.
** Kindly take notes, HD7 not support surround sound, only HD7 surround edition support surround sound.

[Q] Who is buying windows phone 7?

Just wanted to see what type of user MS is attracting. i suspect the other colum will be quite low, which of course would not be good for microsoft.

I will follow this thread!
A poll until it interesting.
But I warn that any flame, I will not even post anything, I just delete the comment.
One suggestion:
Just vote, please!

I Have been a long time user of wm and recently palm and android, I just got to the point where I wanted a straightforward uncontested smartphone that gives me the info I need on the move, wp7 meets my needs perfectly

I would consider trying out WP7 (even with all its deficiencies) but the ones being offered by AT&T are garbage. Just look at HTC Surround. Was this phone a inside joke by HTC? Slap on a some cheap, useless and bulky speakers on a phone and see how many people would rush to buy one just because it is different. Amazing how a bunch of designers came together and agreed on this model as one of their flagships.
The one phone that does interest me is the 7 Pro. But there is no word on when it will be out on US soil, it has only 8gb internal memory, and by the time the phone does come out it will be too little too late. Looks like I will be on my Tilt 2 for a while.

I was on Symbian, then wm6.5 then Symbian then WP7 with my HD7.

Coming from my Tilt2, which I loved dearly, but spent way too much time trying to tweak. The effortless speed of WP7 is a breath of fresh air.

I voted as an average user because technically this is my first smart phone w/ any type of data plan. I spent @ 10 hours playing with phones and reading forums before picking WP7. Didn't want iOS simply becuase I didn't want what masses already have. Considered Android because of all you can do to it and enjoyned playing with my wifes Aria. However every time I went to ATT I gravitated to the WP7 devices. I really liked the fresh new UE and the HTC Surround. I just like how it felt in my hands over the Focus and personally I think the speakers are neat and rock when compaired to any other "noise" you get from any other device. 100% pleased with my choice.

Average users dont visit xda and most of the other categories listed dont like WP7.

efjay said:
Average users dont visit xda and most of the other categories listed dont like WP7.
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Maybe so. But like I said this is my first smart phone and although I have been too xda before I never really read much of the content on the page or forums. What should I have selected then?

Focus is superb
deeken said:
I would consider trying out WP7 (even with all its deficiencies) but the ones being offered by AT&T are garbage.
Looks like I will be on my Tilt 2 for a while.
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My Focus is FAR superior to my HTC phones that I owned and loved. Didn't think I could do without a hardware keyboard, as I can't type on my wife's iPhone (after hours of trying). I still make a lot of mistakes, but, this phone corrects my typos accurately 99% of the time.
I don't miss the lag and drag of my Tilt2, which I overclocked to 748 mHz. Hopefully this phone won't fall apart like my HTCs.

I've been an Android user since the very beginning. I preordered a G1...and still own it, a MyTouch 3G, and a Vibrant. I was also impressed enough by the HD2 hardware to give WM a shot. Stock WM on the TMOUS HD2 was a mess...but that was nothing that a nice custom rom wasn't able to fix. I still enjoy using my HD2 on occasion. I also own an iTouch...which, of course, runs iOS (beautiful hardware, but mine is best at collecting dust). And, although it's a bit of an afterthought now, I also owned three Blackberries.
I really like Android. Nothing can touch it when it comes to customization. But, the inherent stuttering and occasional lag does get old...even though it's gotten much better in both departments and is now fairly smooth on most new phones. It's also not the prettiest thing in the world, in my opinion (I also think iOS is hidious looking...although nothing is smoother, but WP7 is nipping on its heels in that department).
I've owned my HD7 for nearly a week. I bought it with the full intention of returning it prior to the end of my 14 grace period...unless it totally blew my mind. Well, consider my mind blown. I now believe that it's a keeper. Keeping in mind that WP7 is currently just at v1.0, I believe that MS has done a better job than both Apple and Google. Yes, there are a few features missing....but there's good reason for that...and the upcoming update is very likely to address those deficiencies.
For v1.0, MS focused on the UI, and it shows. My HD7 is incredibly smooth and blazing fast. The UI is intuitive, efficient, beautiful, and fun. The few issues with it are also things that were lacking in both iOS and Android initially...and it took both Apple and Google substantually longer to address them than what it's taken MS. Many people are saying that these things should've been included from the get go. I say that MS has created a masterpiece, and that...as long as the missing features are addressed in a timely manner....whatever they had to do to get the rest right was ok in my book.
MS was down...and all the haters thought that they were out. I never felt that way, but I was skeptical that they were going to be able to deliver something that would truly rival the offerings from Google and Apple. I was wrong....and so were/are all the haters.
I am as unbiased as it gets. I own devices that run all 4 major mobile OS'...and know their strengths, and weaknesses, inside out. I now consider WP7 to be my favorite. MS has laid a foundation that surpasses the foundations that both Google and Apple initially laid. Things are only going to get better from here on out...and I'm excited to see how far MS can take this.

Does this refer to what platform I was JUST on before making the jump to WP7? Because I have owned iPhone, Android, AND Symbian based phones as my past Smartphones. Also, how come Symbian or BlackBerry is not included in the poll? That is a glaring omission....

Also missing is Blackberry.

I came from android but I ticked other as I think that would be the main target for MS most android users love its openness iPhone users are to loyal even though ots hardly changed and old MS users want the buseness features more than the play. As I said I came from android but I always planned to change before I bought my desire so I don't think it counts.

have been a long time htc user first the tilt then the tilt 2. loved my tilt2, got the surround and returned it due to battery life.... never thought id like a samsung device, seeing how my girlfriend went through about five instincts, and four or five various other sprint samsung phones,,, but i must say i love my Samsung Focus...........

Windows Mobile User Tried and True
Ive been a Windows Mobile User since its inception and I have to say Microsoft has out done themselves. Just need to bring on the Business access like remote desktop and ICS. Still have my HP IPaq 1945, Tilt, and Tilt 2. I know own the Samsung Focus. We also need a XDA App for Windows Mobile 7.

davidebanks said:
Just wanted to see what type of user MS is attracting. i suspect the other colum will be quite low, which of course would not be good for microsoft.
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I have used most of the modern smartphone OS's (see signature), just waiting for a good Android tablet now that Honeycomb is almost here ...

rexian said:
I have used most of the modern smartphone OS's (see signature), just waiting for a good Android tablet now that Honeycomb is almost here ...
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You haven't tried the Samsung Galaxy Tab? Outstanding smaller tablet. Has 16GB built-in and a slot for up to 32GB extra. Has front and rear cameras and can be used as a phone....with the install of a specific app.

What do I vote as? I moved from an HD2 which was running Android but I also have an iPod Touch and iPad :S

DavidC1980 said:
What do I vote as? I moved from an HD2 which was running Android but I also have an iPod Touch and iPad :S
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Hmm being only 1 of those is a phone and the topic is "Who is buying windows phone 7" key word phone. That narrows it down to which one of the 3 to consider IMO. And since your using Android on your HD2 I would think you should vote as an Android user.