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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
Just the faster navi and app run speed will make u wanna upgrade. btw..seems to be more stable than WM5.
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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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Here's a MS press release that you can check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/feb07/02-11WM6SoftwarePR.mspx
As far as which WM6 d/l's out there, you can refer to the stickies in this forum or the wiki.
Your device will faster, stable, nice icons, you get all the benefits from the new upgrade pointed to you and its feels like a new PPC at zero cost.
It's faster!
I can also confirm, that WM6 is much more faster (my subjective impression is about 1.5 to 2 times faster).
And it looks better
soniX
Can somebody post a benchmark, so we can measure the benefit of WM6.
Still there are many bugs, and different bugs in the WM6-ROMs.
Speed & Style aren't the only quality-attributes!
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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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popularity amongst your geeky collegues.
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
If you're coming from the stock cingular rom (1.34), everything just feels a lot faster, and much more stable. You'd have to spend some time reading to get some of your cingular specific settings back. A lot of those settings are floating around the boards.
If you're after all inclusive, it looks like threedes released a rom with several added programs. If you just want a rom that feels like stock cingular, check out lvsw. that's what i'm running on my 8525, and it's great.
Some additional functionality as well. One of the small yet convenient features is the ease of which you can add a recently called number to existing contacts. in wm5 i would have to start as if creating a new contact and copy and paste the number to a new one. just my penny and a half
After a week with WM6 I've decided to go back to South African ROM 1.35 and Radio ROM 1.27.
Just too many bugs and minor flaws with WM6 I tried I just felt it ain't worth the hustle. ROM 1.35 was as fast and more stable with programs than WM6 was.
I will just kick back and wait for a possible REAL WM6 rom to appear from operators or something. Better to have a stable phone with less pretty icons than a flashy looking pda with bugs.
And since you can gain pretty much everything (xcept for those icons) with tweaks/utils I haven't really found WM6 to be any better.
But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
My personal view is that WM6, at least the version I have used, is no faster then the WM5 I was using. I think the reason people always claim the new ROM's are faster is because it is a clean install, the same thing happens with Windows on your PC.
Apart from lots of small tweaks here and there, there is nothing major in WM6 with the exception of the themed bars being more curvy. It's more of a WM5 with a couple of service packs to me. Still, worth a look.
Definitely noticed a significant improvemnt in responsiveness on my M3100.
Also, less phone lockups /issues I think.(subjective judgement)
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But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
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Well this 1.35 ROM is as fast as WM6 I had. The AKU 3.3 ROM version I had was slow as hell. Speed wasn't the reason to change back from WM6 but the annoying little bugs:
- Windows Update wouldn't close but using Task Manager
- Turn WiFi Off from the balloon
- TomTom 6 ocassional start up problems
- Soft key setup's little change under Text Messages (Where it used to be New now had Delete)
- Pocket MSN/Live problems (constantly tried to open the GPRS connection after sign off and closing the app).
- SPB Backup problem (couldn't unlock a file)
- WiFi annoyance: Even when there were available APs, the
phone didn't announce it but you had to manually go see if there were any
These problems (that I remember off hand) are the reason why Im not going to use WM6 anymore until some legimit party releases one.
@Steiale: You said WPA2 works. Does that mean you can use WPA-AES encryption? If so: what exact version of WM6 are you using - vanilla, ...?
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Can somebody post a benchmark to compare?
2x faster, 1,5x faster isn't much representative.
If a Rom or Radio upgrade is released the signal strenght is always better and always faster and much better battery duration.
If it really was so, we should all have 365 days battery lifetime without charging and always full signal strenght and the program is opened before pressing a button.
Since upgrading to wm6 the most significant changes for me is that it runs faster than wm5 and the pocket outlook (messaging) now does html email
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BT and WIFi do work with WPA2...
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Which wm6 rom are you using?
WPA2 is important to me, and would be a reason to upgrade. You do mean WPA2 with AES?
Are these things improved on the mailclient:
- selection of smtp at time of sending (like is possible on symbian), or support for different smtp profiles
- specification of the imap root folder
- bluetooth pan (would love to use this to connect my laptop via tytn to 3G)
Thanks!
Jörg
Well, after just 1 week, WM6(Most Beautiful Edition) seems
1) much, mush faster than before. Faster than my friends WM5 on Dopod838Pro(Hermes).
2)more RAM even
3)Hmm, looks like I am the only one who likes the delete softkey in messaging replacing the new... Probably because I just use SMS...
4)Stable.
5)Faster reboot(useful if you tend to try new software almost every other day).
6)Widcomm can now power up easier(less or no driver memory error). Yeah, for me, the MS Bluetooth stack still sucks for A2DP).. File transfer seem more faster too, probably a pyschological effect from the faster interface..
dear guys, i know you are the best in upgrading our smartphones, do you know if there is, or soon will be an upgrade to wm6.1 for s620???
tnx
Not yet.. but I think that soon it will come to S620.
We are all waiting for this update
I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican
JAmerican said:
I actually got to play with a Windows Mobile 6.1 Dash but it still seemed to lag a fair amount. Just had a flashier home screen. Everything seemed to be the same. They added Copy and Paste as well.
JAmerican
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Oh man that's great news!!! I am excited. At least that confirms that there is a very high chance we will have to upgrade. Hopefully it will become more stable and not have memory leaks.
Thanks Jamerican....
did you check the new PIE how is it, does it have flash???
How about threaded sms like the PPC version has??
i'm actually really curious about wm6.1 too. I know it's out already, so where are the ROMs at? BTW, does anyone have access to HTC's downloads for the S620-621? When I attempted to register my unit with the serial # at their site, it wouldn't let me since it knew it was T-Mo Dash instead.
EDIT: well a quick search on google yielded this interesting result:
http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13800
I guess that's why we're not seeing any wm6.1 devices anytime soon...
even so, here at xda-developers you can see upgrades to 6.1 for some devices, so i guess we´ll just have to wait a little bit, but its going yo be here i´m sure
Google is your friend. Many websites have covered the new WM6.1 features. Basically it comes out to these:
* Threaded SMS - A Chat like function for your SMS Inbox
* Zoom out in Pocket IE - Enables Page overview mode and better navigation
* One Note included in Office Mobile
* Running Programs tab in Settings > Memory replaced to a better Task Manager. (But the previous running programs tab was much simple and easier)
* A new Managed Programs menu
As you can see, no mention of flash incorporation in PIE. Personally, I won't upgrade until it is as fast as the HTC ROM I'm using now. I am, however, really excited about threaded SMS.
wm6.1 does exist for the dash.
Lets put it this way. People have HTC excalibur running wm6.1. 6.1 adds a new home screen, better IE (much better IE), copy & paste, new version of active sync, etc, etc. WM6.1 is also faster. I'm not sure when this will be avaliable to everyone... but it does exist.
Actually I tried it at a M$ event at my school. The lady said it would take at least 10 months for consumers to see it. That does not include carrier customization etc. Pissed me off.
JAmerican
How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait
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How come the Wing users have the 6.1 and not us! When I had the Wing the 6.1 made it SOOO much better....sucks having to wait
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Yup, i'll vouch for this. I have open touch v3 on my wing and love it. Sometimes i like to go out with my dash since its slimmer and wow its like night and day how slow it is. Even with the new HTC rom that was posted...
Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused
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Am I missing something here? When did the Wing get a system that isnt released yet? I am confused
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WM 6.1 is alive and well on the PPC platform. First batch of WM 6.1 Professional ROMs hit the scene about a week and a half ago and I may be wrong about this but I believe the wing (HTC Herald) was the first to get it from our fine chefs here on XDA-DEV. Still waiting on a 6.1 Standard version for our favorite non-touchscreen devices (HTC Excalibur etc)...
Also don't forget that fortunately/unfortunately the touchscreen devices are way more popular than the non-touchscreen devices.
Personally I believe my T-Mobile Dash running the HTC ship rom is way more stable than any other Windows Mobile device I have ever owned, and I've had quite a few as can be seen in my sig.
Thats interesting, I had no idea!
I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?
Microsoft Is Coming Out With An Official 6.1 Version For The Excalibur Very Soon
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I don't want to waste time flashing my Dash with a cooked 6.0 ROM (HTC ROM) if 6.1 is only a few weeks away. Any estimate from the ROM cookers on a 6.1 release for the Dash?
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This is good news to my ears, I had no ideal that Microsoft was coming out with a official released for the Excalibur very soon...........!
Haha, yeah good thing I didn't waste my time with a cooked 6.0 ROM...
This ever happed?
WM 6.1 for S621, Excalibur?
Official ROM release?
Is the original WM6 for Artemis more responsive in general use than the WM5 version? I'm also interested if the cooked ROM's (Touch 4.02 for example) have any speed advantages when running TomTom. In my WM5 TomTom is quite slow. Can anyone comment on the performance of TomTom using different ROM's? Is there any visual difference?
About battery life, I've read a lot about some experiencing power drain but others getting even better battery performance with the same ROM. Is it even possible to say whether WM6 increased battery life vs WM5 or not? Please post your experiences, as I am trying to decide to upgrade or not to, because it is a small risk aswell.
in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
totally agree and i suggest go forward to WM 6.1
WM5 is only history
thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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wm5 is faster in my opinion that wm6 and wm6 totally kills your battery time which is a big nusience..
also wm6 seems more complicated with the simple phone functions....
I have tried some of the cooked rom's and have so many problem with the screen auto rolling when I don't want it to and sometimes I will click on "ok" and it doesn't seem to register for 3-4 seconds....
in general for phone and email use I am going back to wm5 to get back the battery time and general usability of the phone itself...
with wm5 I hardley ever ran out of battery time however with wm6 there has been a few occassions where I have not had a chance to charge the phone in one or two days and it has gone flat when I really needed it... simple things like this make the upgrade not worthwhile IMO, even if there are better features and nicer look in wm6..
Still confused what to do then with my xda orbit!
Just found this thread.
Mixed advice it would seem.
I've just bought an XDA ORBIT. It's still got Windows Mobile 5 and has TOMTOM 6 installed.
I still don't know whether I should UPGRADING TO WINDOWS 6.0 OR NOT?
Some say TomTom6 runs better on Windows 5, some disagree.
I also have copilot 6.0 discs which I could use instead. Anyone have a preference between Tomtom6 and Copilot 6 on the xda orbit?
Thanks in advance,
Matt.
I strongly reccomend skipping WM6.0 and going streight to WM6.1, and go for the "Touch 4.01" rom. I'd personally reccomend the vanilla one, as it's the fastest, and most of the installed stuff will be useless on the bulkier roms.
TomTom 6 runs very well on WM6.1, better than I remember on 5.0, however, i'm using a much later version I got from an unmentionable place. Takes only 3-4s to load from the today screen.
As for the data loss with WM5, that's actually a bit of a fib. Non-volatile storage was introduced with WM5, and enhanced for WM6. It was WM2003/SE when there were issues with volatile storage, and the in-ability to actually turn a device off.
Hope this helps
thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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Latest official o2 wm6 rom is shipping with radio version 3.06.90, which I found very good.
Wish there was stand alone install for this one, so I could use it with touch 4.02.
I am a current owner of a Verizon XV6800 and am searching the forums daily for news of Verizon's release of the Touch Pro 2.
With the improvements in the TouchFlo 3D interface, what are users going to find to be the biggest improvements with Windows Mobile 6.5? I'm not an expert, but it seems like TouchFlo 3D steals a lot of thunder from this upgrade. Other than the honeycomb screen (which I assume won't be utilized if using TF 3D) and access to the Windows Mobile store, I don't see anything earth shattering.
Thanks for any answers!
From my limited experience usinf wm6.5 (mostly from the old tmobile wing rom) I can't think of too much advantage of wm6.5 with touch pro2 either.
The biggest advantage of wm6.5 on wing was enlarged pop up menu and scrolling, which is already handled elegantly here with touchflo. So to me, wm6.5 upgrade is nice but certainly not necessary.
I'm anxiously awaiting my TP2 in the mail, but the biggest advantage I've found so far with WM6.5 on my current Tilt is the text messaging screen. Nothing is really different other than the icon next to each text showing if it has been replied to or not.
Pretty sure TF3D takes care of that in its own messaging window, though
One thing I really want out of WM6.5 in the newer builds is the new taskbar.
I'm seriously not a fan of the honeycomb start menu. I've just tried out one of the 6.5 ROMS, and it's a real turnoff. Don't understand why Micro$oft thinks anyone would want icons arranged in such a way. I've since flashed back to the latest stock HTC ROM...
Hi All
I made an upgrade yesterday; I previously had the stock HTC rom with Windows Mobile 6.1 & TouchFlo 2.1, and I hard reset, then upgraded to the official HTC Windows Mobile version 6.5.
Are there any other users who prefer the old version? The phone seemed so much smoother before the upgrade, it almost feels as though the hardware isn't up to the job of running the new version. I even preferred the old black and white Touch Flo menu colours, the colour ones don't look as nice. I don't really see any amazing 'must-have' new features on the OS either - as a result, i'll be 'downgrading' my phone, back to the old ROM 1.19.401.1 later today.
I wondered if there are others who feel the same way, or am I just not giving the new OS time to win me over?
Have a good weekend everyone....
LJ
Glad its not just me then...
Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
Same here. After upgrading, and installing a few programs, I started having stability issues. Nothing serious, but I hadn't noticed that on WM6.1. Also, the battery consumption is higher, the memory consumtion is higher (I've seen it use as much as 85% of memory, which leaves about 40-45Mb free), and TF3D looks like it's half finished.
I've already flashed back to WM6.1. Maybe I'll try again if HTC releases an updated WM6.5, but until then I intend to enjoy my device with the original ROM.
Same here, tho I'll maybe try it again when verizon gets theirs together. After trialing many cooked 6.5's on my old tp I'm not a big fan. I think my tp2 as is, is a very outstanding device.
6.5 was on my TP2 for about 15 minutes. it seemed slower then the Orange shipped 6.1 ROM I've been happy with, but without any benefits. So im back on the Orange ROM.
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
Farsquidge said:
May I ask how many of you have HardSPL'd to install an upgrade not meant for your device?
I only ask this because most others (including me) have noticed a marked improvement. Disregarding colours layout etc. as they are only personal preference.
I wonder if we are getting back to the old Kaiser/Tilt scenario where people forget the devices marketed for the US are HW different from the rest of the world due to US laws and US operators requirements and US having a different radio system to most others?
JMHO
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You make a very good point. In my case, the device in question is a standard, stock, UK unbranded TP2 from HTC, so I this scenario does not apply in my case, but I have tried it on a Vodafone UK handset which HAS been HardSPL'ed. Most people who are familiar with the Vodafone UK ROM know that it's plain ugly with one of the worst themes known to man
But yeah, it could indeed be the reason why some people are having problems.
I'm glad i'm not the only one who feels this way too though - thanks all for sharing your thoughts. I guess in my case, a lot of it is just down to personal preference - plus, without realising it, the phone already did everything I needed it to, and did it well enough for me - so I don't really know what I thought 6.5 was going to do that would change that.
Just my 2 cents.
Cheers all...
You could always turn off the TF3D and other Win 6.5 stuff and have a 6.1-ish homescreen in 6.5
But I love the new interface, it took me about 3 hours to get used to, and now I'd never go back
I'm a fan of 6.1 but it really sucks that all the new tf3d won't work on 6.1. I've come to terms with 6.5.1. I like that version of 6.5 but the regular interface to me just sucks!!
lol - Snap!
Im not overly fussed about TF versions and what not, the device is plainly slower on 6.5
(Stock UK HTC)
GermanGuy said:
Same here. I very much prefer WM 6.1. Multitasking on WM 6.5 is a pain and it is slow. Only problem is that I cannot initiate VoiceCommand over Bluetooth on the 6.1 ROM. That is the only reason why I moved to 6.5. And nobody seems to know a cooked 6.1 ROM that enables voicecommand over bluetooth.
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
Winmo 6.1 v 6.5 on touch pro2
Initially the upgrade was staccatto but a new hard reset fixed that. Wifi turns itself off now but gProfile still works so no worries there. MMS have gone back to early TP 1 mistake of flipping the image by 90degrees for MMS (annoying).
Battery life seems better and the web scrolls better with fingers (or is that me)
Couple of oddities -e.g. Text boxes dont wrap well on web pages. Also i have had to restart more often then 6.1. (tp2 6.1 is the most stable winmo ppc i have ever known)
I shall stick with it for now I think however.
In the end, I believe the phrase "To each his own.." is most appropriate. Some love WM 6.1, some love 6.5 and others absolute hate any official/stock ROM. That's the beauty of the HTC dev community, I think there is something for everyone!
Are they still using that horrible WIDCOMM bluetooth stack/driver on WM6.5 upgrade?
I totally agree with you.
I have downgraded to Orange's stock ROM.... That's the first time I find a stock ROM better than an official or cooked ROM.
It starts using 42% or less RAM
It works "correctly" (stilll has unexplained problems) with BB Connect.
It works fast (of course, there's 58% RAM left for software execution).... and with a few chnages, the GPS is effective.
What I miss from WM 6.5 is just the My Location option that doesn't exist in Orange's ROM.
I'll wait for their official 6.5 ROM and maybe will test it...
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I disagree, I have been using 6.5 on my Tytn II for ages and when I finally got my TP2 on Vodafone here in the UK I came home, HardSPL'd it and found a cooked 6.5 ROM that I liked (Thanks NRG) I have experienced no problems at all and it gets rid of the ugly Voda theme too.
I love 6.5 and couldn't stay on 6.1 for longer then I did.
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So you never really tried 6.1 on the TP2 and don't have a basis for comparison? (obviously 6.5 on the TP2 will work a lot better than on a TytnII, it's a case of apples and oranges).
Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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...Will try the upgrade when it comes out. Though I know from the screen shots I prefer the colour layout of TF3D2.1 to the colour icons of TF3D2.5
But I'll give it a try and go with what works best for me.
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You may want to check out this post of mine if you really don't like the color icons that HTC provided...
Power Functions in 6.1
I started a thread, posted in multiple threads, exchanged P.M.s, searched like it was my job and flashed multiple 6.1 variants. The one function, or lack thereof, that was the deciding factor for me was the power saving functionality in the media players response to pressing the power button to turn the screen off to save battery. It would stop the music playback!
My old Herald did this. The Fuze did this. Both on 6.1 Roms. Why the TP2 could not, with the smooth Tmobile stock Rom, I could not understand. I used so many different playes that all worked in the past. My current favorite is Nitrogen. But since I listen to music so much I couldn't have the sreen, even 'dim', for the hours I listen to music. My battery would be dead in no time.
This, ultimately, was the reason for me flashing and sticking with 6.5. If any one has found the magic registry edit or whatever for this fix, let me know.
Do you listen to your music with the speaker? Because my stock 6.1 US TMo TP2 continues to play via headphones just fine after pressing the power button. I'm no audiophile but I could not imagine listening to music on that speaker. Just thinking about it makes me shudder.
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