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Hi, where can i find all the planned updates for the desire? and is FroYo is really different than 2.1?
HTC have not published any sort of roadmap for future updates, so your best bet is to go to your nearest psychic, and ask them!
And to answer your second question: Yes.
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Dave
June the 23rd ... thats the date we are all freed from 2.1.. LOLO!!
But then you have to throw Orange / O2 etc etc in the pot.. so to be honest ...
look on the forum .. and either get a new rom or wait till next year !!!!
23rd June has only been stated by a member on here - there's no guarantee that either him or the person he spoke to is telling the truth.
Unless the guy knew the iPhone 4 was coming out then
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Unless the guy knew the iPhone 4 was coming out then
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HAHA.. this is funny... if it was true, Froyo update comes in the same time with iPhone 4.
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June the 23rd ... thats the date we are all freed from 2.1.. LOLO!!
But then you have to throw Orange / O2 etc etc in the pot.. so to be honest ...
look on the forum .. and either get a new rom or wait till next year !!!!
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Sorry im kinda lost in translation here whats orange/o2 and why will i throw it? Lol
So basically the 720p, divx playback is just rumors?
So htc will just give us froyo then discontinue the updates and support?
First, Google makes the Android OS, so they'll release 2.2 (Froyo).
Then HTC add their own front-end to it, called Sense UI.
Finally, Orange, 3, Vodaphone and so on add their own tweaks (and rubbish apps) on top.
Each of those additional steps takes extra time, so basically Nexus One users will get it first, unbranded Desire users will have to wait a while for the HTC version, then others will have to wait even longer for the network versions.
If HTC go on the offensive with 2.2 on the 23rd i'll be laughing evilly over here. tbh I think HTC need to get this update out as simply put Sales will fall. the race between the two companies will be incredibly close. HTC need to make sure it's best hand is on the table. and keep there core elements separate and upgradable on the fly.
HTC will just release another dirge of handsets and forget the Desire. Am I being cynical??
Nope,
but with an official, yes will update it, with a possible date i'm hopeful.
i see.. too bad i live in the philippines so i will not get the updates from the mobile ops in other countries..
so the divx and 720p are just rumors?
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HTC will just release another dirge of handsets and forget the Desire. Am I being cynical??
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I don't think you're far off with that assumption, my previous phone was a touch HD their former flagship model, it got one lame excuse of an update that did more harm than good, they kind of [email protected] us over with the 6.5 update that brings a stable and fast build, gave some lame excuse about users not wanting an update anyway
That made me not wanting to buy an HTC ever again, if only the desire wasn't the best android phone avaible at the time and my contract wasn't up for renewal, I wouldn't have consider another HTC.
According to a post on official blog of Polish service provider ORANGE, HTC is due to release the Froyo update for Desire in August 2010.
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According to a post on official blog of Polish service provider ORANGE, HTC is due to release the Froyo update for Desire in August 2010.
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and the link to that blog is: www . blog . tp . pl/wojciechjabczynski/entry/pragnienie_będzie_w_czerwcu
(sorry for messy link - new user)
Use translate if you like, or here's my awesome translation of:
"HTC poinformował nas, że umożliwi klientom upgrade systemu w okolicach sierpnia."
"HTC informed us, that it will provide system upgrade for it's clients around august"
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If HTC go on the offensive with 2.2 on the 23rd i'll be laughing evilly over here. tbh I think HTC need to get this update out as simply put Sales will fall. the race between the two companies will be incredibly close. HTC need to make sure it's best hand is on the table. and keep there core elements separate and upgradable on the fly.
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It doesnt matter anymore. HTC already lost this battle. HTC desire cant stand versus an Iphone 4.
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It doesnt matter anymore. HTC already lost this battle. HTC desire cant stand versus an Iphone 4.
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Yes throw your phones in the bins everyone, theyre useless now.
No. I just wish Id waited. Wanted Divx support and 720p. Well since I cant get that on Desire nor Iphone. I take the later cuz it is simple better.
We are only customer... buy and enjoy it
The way I see it:
I purchased an awesome Desire my first HTC phone of many. I did not expect plenty of updates but do expect updates to solve issues.
If I dont get any updates then fine as my handest runs like a dream. I dont have any issues and dont need any solving (well only user error)
Surely good buisness is to release a new handset rather than offering new roms to exsiting customers. As long as problem solving updates are done im happy and surely you cannot slate HTC for this.
If you purchased a Ferrari and then they release a new engine, sat nav, bluetooth, leather etc you cannot expect a free upgrade as then you wont purchase the new model!
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My experience with HTC (tornado, wizard, blackstone) are that they dont update the software. You have to rely on hacked roms for new updates.
This could be a microsoft-problem and since I now have my eyes on android I wonder if HTC will keep updating the desire...
Still no word on the froyo-update...
This alone could be an argument for buying nexus instead even if its uglied both in hardware and gui.
What do you think about this?
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My experience with HTC (tornado, wizard, blackstone) are that they dont update the software. You have to rely on hacked roms for new updates.
This could be a microsoft-problem and since I now have my eyes on android I wonder if HTC will keep updating the desire...
Still no word on the froyo-update...
This alone could be an argument for buying nexus instead even if its uglied both in hardware and gui.
What do you think about this?
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I had a Touch Pro, and since MS is the developer I would blame them not HTC for updating MS software. HTC did actually update the Touch Pro a while ago, and a second update of Winmo, should be released in due time. But I would still blame MS for their crappy 6.5 Winmo OS.
According to HTC, will Froyo come some where after Today and 12 weeks ahead. I guess that it will come rather sooner than later. And if somebody cant wait for offical OTA updates, root the device and update to Froyo.
Apparently the 23rd of June thing leaked by one of the support staff was tosh (supported by the fact that the date has been and gone and no Froyo yet!). One of HTC's spokes-people said at Google I/O that...
“We are working hard with our partners to update the HTC Sense experience on Froyo and distribute it to our customers as fast as possible. We expect to release updates for several of our 2010 models including Desire, Legend and Wildfire beginning in Q3″
Being as this is some super speedy new kernel I think its wise that they test their Sense UI to bits before issuing the update
That aside...GIVE ME 2.2 NOW!!!
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What do you mean no word? They've confirmed that it is coming, but not given a precise timescale.
Past Froyo, I wouldn't expect further updates, but I suppose there is a slim chance we'll get Gingerbread. However, since Google will be moving to yearly OS updates after that, I can't see HTC providing anything beyond that - the economics of it just don't make any sense.
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Dave
Can you update with hacked roms and get everying working with the hardware (and just loose the gui) or is it like i remembered with the wizard, problems with drivers to the camera etc.. ?
If not i guess I could transform the desire-hardware into a fully updated gingerbread-nexus in future.
Given that the OS is open source, barring specific hardware requirements, there's no reason why later versions of AOSP Android couldn't be ported to the Desire. Unlike WinMo phones, we always have the option of compiling up Android to suit the hardware.
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Dave
Ok, how many threads are going to be like this???
Yes you can flash to froyo now and loose sense ui, give a look at development section and/or use search or even google search. HTC didnt officially stated anywhere yet that Froyo is coming to Desire @blabla... However there was a leak about Froyo, which was miscommunication and actually 23rd of June was the date when Google announced the release of code of Froyo to everyone. So from that date HTC is able to work on Froyo.
And look with help of search i was able to find this http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/htc-expect-desire-legend-and-wildfire-to-get-froyo-beginning/ and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713588
Of course they forget about old devices, Touch HD and all those other devices are outdated. I had a TD2 and it got the free WM6.5 update but after that it was DEAD for HTC.
Dude, read the threads around here. As of today HTC has officially said 2.2 will come in Q3 of this year.
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I had a TD2 and it got the free WM6.5 update but after that it was DEAD for HTC.
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Not entirely true, the TD2 did get a Sense 2.5 after the promised WM 6.5 update. After that the TD2 was pretty much dead for HTC.
yeah they do, its hard to get support for older devices lol
Im hoping that as long as google continue to update the nexus, HTC will update Desire, Anyway what I read gingerbread is trying to clean up the UI's so there will be no need for manufacturers UI's, This will make updating in the futher alot easier I guess and possible updates will be pushed for longer even thought it will change to yearly, Alot of people are stuck with the same phone for around 2 years
Im here at work and got me thinking bout the rumoured news bout Google releasing the JB 5.0 sometime this fall or workingnto release Q1 2013. News from AndroidPolice...too lazy to link it.
Im just thinking that these updates are happening way to fast. Some phones are yet to receive their ICS and yet JB is just around the corner. Also, new phones with quad will be released early/late spring..? with ICS and for some they will have to wait for another good amount of time for JB. We know that Samsung etc are never on the dot when releasing updates.
I kinda miss the days of Windows OS when they actually make you wait 2/3yrs for a new OS release. Just kinda makes it worthwhile.
All im saying is, that Google should wait until the supported phones have been updated to ICS and give them time to enjoy it. For others they will have to spend an extra money to buy the latest phone with ICS. Not really fair.
Ok im goin back to working...lol...sorta
Until we start seeing apps that don't work on somewhat new OS's I don't see it as a problem. For the most part, apps being put out now are still compatible with Froyo so why should people on Froyo care? Yes it sucks to get a new phone and not have the newest OS but what do you expect Google to do? With apple releasing yearly releases as well they need to keep up.
Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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I think one release a year is fair. With all thats evolving in the mobile landscape, an update interval any more than that will risk falling behind the competition.
A yearly update is not just to change things around for the heck of it, but to aim to improve the user experience. If the Android team has good work ready to be released, I don't see why they should hold it back because manufacturers can't get their act together. This is why we have the Nexus phones.
I completely disagree. Google's yearly release cycle means that they are always working on making Android better. Since a new major OS release comes every year, I am guaranteed to have a modern phone with a modern OS every year if I continue buying Nexii.
In my opinion it is certainly a good thing.
I dont agree with this. Wait 2-3 years for new features and fixes while other OS's (iOS and Windows Mobile) continue to have yearly updates? No thank you.
For the majority of people, whatever current Android they are on is more than enough for them. If you want to stay on the bleeding edge, you get a Nexus device.
JB probably will not be as big as an upgrade as it was from GB to Honeycomb or ICS.
How is Fall of 2012 or Q1 of 2013 too fast? It's not even spring yet. ICS was announced and released in November, I think. That is a full year, at least, in between OS changes. I think that 1 year in between OS updates is perfect. Why would you want to be stuck on an old OS when new, better features are always a good thing?
You're pretty much saying that you wouldn't mind still being on Eclair or Froyo right now. I don't know about you, but I think ICS is light years ahead of both of those OS's.
Hardware obsolescence will eventually halt fragmentation on its own. Most consumers roll over their device at the end of a contract anyway, that's just 2 years or 3 in some markets. Anyone that holds on to a phone for over three years either doesn't care about bleeding edge updates, they're happy with an old device anyway, or they've extended their device's life via custom roms. In other words, If it is January 2013 and you're still on Eclair then a) you probably don't know what 'Eclair's is and b) you're not losing any sleep over being excluded from updates.
I don't see a huge problem with the android market being 'fragmented' over 2-3 versions. It's all just optics: Android haters trumpet the fragmented platform while advocates brush it off. It shouldn't halt or slow down progress, and if it does then Google risks stagnation.
Its not that Google is going too fast, its that the other manufacturers are going too slow. 1 OS release a year shouldn't be a crazy schedule.
Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
Yes please get back to work already, sorry but I don't agree with your opinion, blame the carrier's and manufacturers as well.
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Google has been releasing yearly OS updates for a while now. Why the concern all of a sudden? Also, probably not worth getting worked up over unreliable rumors.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence. Of the hundreds of Android handsets out there, only a dozen or two actually get these new OS'.
This isn't a problem you see in iOS devices, but it's certainly an issue with android.
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The problem with these "hard and fast" Android updates is that is accelerates device obsolescence.
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Obsolescence? So which Gingerbread device can't make calls/text/access the market/use apps after ICS is released?
Just because some other devices do things faster/different doesn't make your device obsolete. And please, look up the word 'obsolete' first before tossing it around.
I think I partially understand and agree with OP's point.
It is not the yearly update that causes concerns, but it is the rate that creates so much hardware junk that counts.
For example, Apple's 3GS still can use recent iOS, at least it is upgradable, though you wont enjoy the speed or new features etc, but you still can use your old hardware with new iOS.
For Android, one year later you phone/tablet may already be "NOT ABLE TO UPGRADE TO NEW OS" , ICS, in this case.
Too many Device Spamming there. I think it is not Google's issue, it is , somewhat the Manufacturer's issue.
Because Nexus S still able to upgrade to ICS, Nexus One , sorts of (please correct me if I am wrong!)
But thanks to million android phone manufacturers, they locked down the system and make it proprietary in certain sense. and not upgradable to future OS because they don't know their current "Feature" will or will not be shoot down by Google's future updates.
Im actually coming from the Atrix which had an announcement from Motorola that ICS release would be sometime Q3 but that would depends if there is a delay or not. I decided to put myself into a contract and decided to get the Gnex since it had the latest offering of ICS. The Atrix ICS is still running on beta.
I agree that yearly updates will improve the user experience/fixes but then again we are but a small community here on XDA that are keen into rom/mod our phones. That is even if we have Devs willing to give time and effort in regards to leak updates. If ever we dont then we are sol. Im just thinking more about the general public who has no idea or would careless bout having a modified rom but are just interested in receiving the updates in a timely manner. Also, wat if ur current phone will not be included for any more OS release? the easiest way would be to purchase the latest and up to date phones.
If lets say that my collegues are getting the ICS for their SGS2 this Q2/Q3. Then JB will be released Q4/Q1 2013. The Google phones will be updated by either official or leak. Also i cant find the link but there was a stat released i few weeks ago stating that there are only 1% or 2% of phones that are currently running ICS.
Its frustrating for an average user having to sit next to a person with the latest OS release and wondering when they will get theirs.
For me, since im on ICS i dont care but when i was using my Atrix i had to settle for a mediocre beta ICS. :banghead:
@jiwengang - Thank you! Im glad someone here at least partially gets my point.
...now to get back to doin some real work.
I agree with others in that it's the hardware manufactures that are the problem, not Google.
1 year OS updates are fine. We just don't need 20 damn variations of the same phone from the same manufacture within that same year. The manufactures can't support all the different hardware configurations they are spewing out in a timely manner, so it takes ages to get updates, if you get them at all.
Dang manufactures need to focus more, stop trying to one up each other every 2 weeks. And support what they release more timely.
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Am I reading this right - so you think technology advances too fast and wants it to slow down because YOU can't catch up?!
OP, please tell me that you are kidding.
Edit: I'm not flaming but simply shocked by the logic and argument.
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Not everyone has either the same knowledge or bottomless pocket that they can sport the latest and greatest phones. I still have a friend who I recently just flashed his SE X10 with GB 2.3.5. Though SE mentioned bout an ICS upgrade sometime in the future of who knows when.
Similar to the PC industry. A gamer will build a pc gamer rig with i9/FX with crossfire/sli etc...If you look at it now, the hardware has reached its peak. You can pretty much play any games these software companies throw at you. It is now the software ie: Games, trying to play catch up and entice gamers with more 'extra' dazzling features or effects to maximize ur hardwares potential. Back then, it was the other way around
If u use a console then its a different story.
Yes, it is shocking. Not everything works as smoothly as butter like ICS.
Yearly release / change of Android OS makes really senses to me.
I don't think I can wait for 2-3 years for an update / release.
that's why I got a nexus!
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You are really losing focus as to what Jellybean actually is. All it is is an updated Ice Cream Sandwich. Yes, ICS was a huge jump from Gingerbread, because of the tablet/phone unification so there were major changes with the UI. That probably won't be the case with the next update. But if you remember the jump from froyo to gingerbread that wasn't a big deal huh? Googles cute little names cause too much confusion with consumers that don't understand software updates. 4.0.1, 4.0.2, 4.0.3...just updates.
Good evening everyone, on a wave of excitement caused by the latest update for HTC One X I think it might be the good time to discuss something more serious and disappointing.
It is very likely that HTC One X just came to its EOL. In this post I would like to keep any information relevant to the future of a 2012 flagship phone and I also would like to see some smart thoughts from forum members.
So here is how the future is seen at this moment:
Official HTC firmware updates
The latest official update that rolled out in mid-august is the 4th major update for HTC One X. It features Android 4.2.2 with the latest version of HTC Sense, including minor changes that present in the current HTC One (2013) firmware. It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
It doesn't even need any explanation, but it may be nice to put up some facts proving the point of view expressed above:
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception;
There are no reasons for HTC to keep One X up-to-date for so long as it is being replaced from the market by newer models;
One X was released on April 2nd 2012. There are still 4 months left of Google update program, but no vendor except Google and possibly Samsung ever kept this promise;
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
However, history knows a case when HTC being pressed by the community released a newest firmware for their phone marking it as forever-beta firmware. This phone was HTC Desire and it happened more than 2 years ago. I doubt that it could happen ever again.
But when it comes to minor updates, it is possible that we would get an official 4.3 update, which actually doesn't feature anything astonishingly new, and here's why:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
In conclusion:
FUTURE ONE X OFFICIAL MAJOR FIRMWARE UPDATE IS VERY UNLIKELY, BUT A COUPLE OF MINOR UPDATES COULD GET RELEASED
Unofficial HTC firmware ports
Porting is a very sad thing to talk about when it comes to Sense ROMs on One X. HTC One X has Tegra 3 inside and it is the only HTC Android phone with this kind of SoC. Porting from devices with different SoC is extremely complicated and nearly impossible. However, this isn't true for HTC One XL which got a very popular Snapdragon SoC.
FUTURE ONE X UNOFFICIAL SENSE FIRMWARE PORTS ARE VERY UNLIKELY
Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future. However, with all the simplicity of the AOSP development process, HOX AOSP community is being shrunk down:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
THERE WILL BE SOME MAJOR AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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In conclusion I should say that I'm a kind of person that likes everything new and because of that I will get a newer phone really soon as many other XDA forum members and it is very depressing since One X is really a great device in every aspect.
For those who are thinking of getting the One X, it is a relatively cheap but very nice device to get in 2013, but you shouldn't expect it to be up-to-date in terms of software.
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Everyone, make sure to express your point of view if you disagree with the information above. More information is always better.
The list of the nice guys who expressed their point of view and explained it, therefore making this post more informative and accurate:
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very informative and great post mate
Lol I just decided to buy one ... and now I'm discovering it's its EOL ... anyway, I agree with the content of OP and I'm buying the HOX because I still think it's one of the best in terms of design and materials and I really believe in the developers community, that seems to be really active... Hoping it will be the same for a long time...
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Unofficial AOSP (Android Open-Source Project) development
AOSP is happily the last chance to keep One X up-to-date. Google Nexus 7 (2012) is based on the same Tegra 3 platform and this device will be up-to-date for a very long time. This fact + Android being an open source mobile OS + a huge AOSP development community gives us hope to get the latest Android versions in future.
THERE WILL BE LOTS OF AOSP RELEASES IN THE FUTURE
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Some thoughts on this:
- The device maintainers or devs for AOKP (IceColdJelly by LordClockan) and SlimBean (by Krarvind) don't anymore have a HOX or aren't using them and are unlike to provide updates for Android 4.3 and above.
- Pabx who has been deving for AOSP has also stated that he isn't sure if he has time to provide further updates for 4.3 +.
- Unless those roms get new maintainers or devs, the only AOSP style ROMs that will be developed in the future are Avatar ROM (a mix of CM and MIUI), Cyanogenmod and CarbonRom (their own take on AOSP - albeit updating HOX quite slowly).
- While it's very likely that Sense 5 will be the last major update from HTC and Sense ROM developers, it also looks like AOSP is slowly withering away.
While the HOX is an excellent phone, I am personally very disappointed that it is coming to the end of its lifespan in less than 1½ years. It also forces me to seriously reconsider my future device as I tend to stick to my phone for around 2 years until updating. There's no point in buying a device that will not only stop receiving updates from the manufacturer quickly but also halt development in such a short time period.
One more reason to only support Nexus (or a device like HTC One / SGS 4 with pure Android) in the future.
Hmm mate I've owned many phones. Whilst HTC are crap with updates..with the one x they did a good farewell. Sense 5 has bought life to it again. I had the HTC one..the hype wasn't deserved. It's still got a while yet. As for aosp..they never feel complete due to there camera
Besides who doesn't like upgrading. The only downfall with pure android is the goth colour scheme. Saying this I loved my gnex. The nexus 4 didn't compare.
Swings and roundabouts swings and roundabouts
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Very well written post. This time next year I'll have my next phone.
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I don't know, I hope that the HOX keeps getting updated through AOSP but our dev community is much smaller than it was before, what with most of our former kernel devs having quit or just disappeared, it seems like AOSP releases will be fewer and further between than before.
Don't forget that HTC isn't just bad with updates, they are also notoriously bad with kernel source releases, if i remember correctly it was very close to the 90 deadline when they released kernel source for the 4.1 update. and in the time leading up to that update and then subsequently waiting for source is when the majority of devs left.
The Hox is far from dead, there is no reason for Cyanogen mod or Maximus / ARHD roms to stop development soon, but my prediction is that in terms of community created content we won't see much that deviates from them.
it is a great boon for us that the Nexus 7 has the same chipset as us, however there are a lot of other parts at work in the HOX and many of them are not the same as the N7. This is probably why there are still some bugs in our AOSP roms, because it's not as simple as just porting from one device with the same chipset.
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It is almost completely obvious that Sense 5 with 4.2.2 is the last major update made by HTC.
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I don't think it is that simple. If nothing had changed between 2011 and 2013, your prediction would be spot-on, but that's not the case. Let me offer counterpoints to yours:
HTC has trimmed their line-up considerably, so they should absolutely be able to provide support for longer. People will be looking to their treatment of the One S/X/X+ to gauge how well the new One devices will be updated. You know that HTC's outlook isn't great, so they need to do everything they can to improve their image.
The One X+ is much newer, so not getting 4.3 would be incredibly disappointing. Since the One X is basically the same device, it would not require much effort to update it as well.
4.3 is apparently such a minor update that multiple manufacturers won't release the 4.2 updates they've been working on and instead go right to 4.3...
So I think it may very well be the case that we'll see more updates, at least 4.3 - unless HTC really doesn't want to survive as a company. But major Android updates (5.x) are out of the picture, that much is obvious and understandable.
(P.S.: When referring to the One S I mean the S4 version - if Qualcomm doesn't provide updates for their S3 processor any more, HTC can't realistically provide them either.)
I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
Whether another update comes out or not I'm never selling this phone, actually so attached to it.
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The only semi official word we have so far is this
Jeff Gordon @urbanstrata 2h
@Libzzor Who says the One X won't get 4.3?
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https://twitter.com/urbanstrata/status/366803640503107584
HTC is generally known for a very naughty update policy. Look at our phones' little brother, HTC One V. It was released at the same time, but it never got any major update at all.
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HTC deals with flagships very differently to affordable low end products like One V so your comparison doesn't stand, if the device is upper end and sold well they will still give it better support
There've been no HTC Android phones that made it to the 5th major update (first digit in the firmware version number). It is very unlikely that One X could become an exception
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The One X was the first to make it to 4.x so who's to say it won't make it to 5.x, 4.3 is considered as minor / easy over 4.2.2 by HTC so why not
They have never supported a device like they gave to the One X, which shows how much they regard this device (they sold around 15 million of them)
Finally "naughty" stories like Desire HD and One S are to be blamed on suppliers failing to provide updated drivers
With all said and done, you can't blame them if they stop the support either, they have almost met their 18 months commitment
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I feel like the hox was the spiritual successor to the desire, the community surrounding it has a lot of enthusiastic fans that still see the potential in the phone, you never know what could occur?
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Nothing similar at all. However, One X is technically a successor to the Sensation, which community also looked exactly like the HOX community.
UPD: Updated the op-post, adding the information given by the forum members.
Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
True, fair thought and points. Give you thumb up for this!
I wouldn't demand on a new firmware version number starting with 5.xx for edeavorU. If it does happened, it would be suprise with appreciation..
Here is my views of future updates from the perspective how update will be handles:-
Talking about possibly future 'major' HTC updates for HOX, we should first look onto how they decided to treat Android 4.3 to theirs newer flagships first since the strategy will much likely reflect down to us.
There is still unclear how HTC plan to handle Android 4.3, I mean wether it come with same Sense version or newer. The major overhaul's Sense 5 already extent itself through Android 4.1 and 4.2. Under HTC tradition, most likely they will bring Sense 5.1 / 5 Max (hmm.. learnt from X+'s case) with little polishing. Furthermore, Android 4.3 was known to be has minimal user facing changes.
"Lots of questions re 4.3 release for One. We r wrking hard (needs cert) to release 4.3 across all US, Canada skus by end Sept. DNA as well." --- Jason Mackenzie (@HTC US President)
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Taking the statement into account, obviously HTC has only left some little extra times and reasons to rush out Sense 5.5 nor Sense 6. Unless HTC really want to expense un-necessity major Sense version bump over high public expectance of new Android version.
If you have time do read this: Why Android Updates Are So Slow. Hardware manufacturers is what I wanna to talk on next. Luckly, HTC only uses major ARM processor makers to make phone, in case there are Qualcomm and nVidia. Both of them are also Google nexus partners present on nexus product catalogs. It means they are working closely since Google initiated their work on Android 4.3. In layman's term, there is no extra waiting time for HTC to wait for the arrival of Android 4.3 equivalent kernel sources. However, HTC might still need to wait for other component makers to update their libraries to match and work on new Android. Ironically, from technical standpoint there is reasons why Android 4.3 still named JellyBean. For those component makers they only had to deal with little obstacles because there is much lesser lower level changes on Android. We do know those hardware manufacturers is punctual for HTC One given that HTC One GPE's OTA is only 9 days behind. However, it is not always truth for non-first priority devices like HOX.
So what these all means? Android 4.3 may not impose heavy burden on HTC as many of us thoughts. (because they can actually skip 4.2 on some products too).
If HTC's update plan went smoothly as Jason Mackenzie stated, there will be more likely we might see yet another major firmware version bump. Albiet, we're incapable of getting OpenGL ES 3.0 support...
It seems to be coming closer to EOL buy in my country they still sell HTC One X for 400€ (2 years warranty) while the One costs 490€...
All good things must come to an end. When my HOX turns 2 it will be finding a new home via eBay, it doesn't appear to to be too far away as time flies when your having fun. Great device and still enjoying it, the only issue I will have is what to replace it with...... it has be just as reliable, more powerful and aesthetically pleasing which I think means I'll hold on to it at least 2 months longer whilst deciding.
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Assuming HTC continues to provide updates, what about people's warranties? Wouldn't a manufacturer cut off any non critical updates after most devices have gone off their original warranty period? Its been mostly a full year for the early adopters, has anyone got extended warranty or different policies (say EU and China with their 2-year legal enforcement?)
This of course affects no AOSP stuff since we pretty much gave up our warranties the day we unlocked the boot loader anyway, but we could probably refer to warranty lengths for a flagship device to see how much HTC will squeeze out of it.
There are no One X's on sale right now are they? Like brand new ones, not the secondhand market.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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furius said:
Just bought on eBay a One X 32gb white, for about 310€ in mint conditions (finger crossed) , because I was tired of my (excellent) Galaxy Nexus (18 months old) ... I want something more elegant ...
I'm sure we will see 2/3 months of Sense custom Roms with a lot of optimization based on latest update, then CM based roms for a long time ... At the moment on the market there is nothing so excellent that convinced me to spend the double (or little bit less) of what I spent for the HOX ...
The only thing I would like to see on the HOX soon or later is the Modaco switch like on the HTC One and now ported to the S4 ... Do you think it will be possible?
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Modaco Switch is made to switch to the OFFICIAL aosp build and connecting to the proper OTA branch.
Obviously it won't come to any other phones besides One and S4 since there's no other phones with the official AOSP firmware.
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Warranty presumes a proper device operation on the full length of the warranty, doesn't have to do anything with the software updates unless it's essential to keep the device in the condition stated in the warranty.
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Yep I know, but would a manufacturer hold onto providing updates if everyone's devices are already "expired" (in warranty sense)? I don't know about business strategy though, whether maintaining a long software update cycle would be better for further marketing and sales (It's certainly positive when it's existent, but what if it was lacking?)
An important issue delaying timely updates is all the testing, if we buy unlocked versions it's the manufacturer, otherwise add carrier to the list... I wouldn't expect a 5.x update (but I've been running stock/CM/Carbon/AOKP since day one) as long as all the drivers and sources are properly supplied...
And just dreaming, if HTC could S-OFF our phones after it decides to stop providing updates it would be so great
Sold the HOX to a mate, with the cash puchased a note 2 for the gf which in return I got her iphone 5. All I can say is android destroys ios! Battery wise iphone kills the HOX. Called my friend to see if he will let me buy it back but no luck....im back on ebay looking for a bargain HOX, I thought id never say this I miss sense.
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Heya guys and gals.
Just wondering if anyone has any news from the folks at RAZER as to when we'll be seeing that Oreo Update. It was supposed to be out within Q1 2018 which suggests by the end of the month (March) but no release news as yet...???????
Just chatted with them on support, the rep still says first quarter. Then they said there's still 3 weeks left so it will be out "very soon"..
That thread title made me excited for a second
Especially after seeing the changelog for the Razer theme app saying 'support for android O"
I was contacted by Razer late last week based on some issues i was having regarding the Netflix app still crashing my phone at a very high % and they where talking about waiting for the next big update. They didnt give the impression we would be waiting long but then also didnt give a timescale.
Already talk that we would be getting Android O 8.1 as a version and some talk about Android P as my understanding is theres some fetaures in P that will make it easier for non Google branded phones to update easier. So hopefully the phone gets quicker system updates and my majour concern is that it gets quicker secuirty updates.
Also as mentioned above by Roxas the Offical Razer Theme App got a recent update to support Android O
Yes. I also have seen evidence that android 8.1 is the actual update not 8.0 so win win for us ?
I'd prefer P but can't be too fussy as it's still in development
P just had it's first beta release afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong. Won't come out until fall this year.
Yeah your right P is still way in beta I just want it on the phone when it does come out. I hope it doesn't stop at Oreo