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Here are most of the reviews on the net (till now) about the HTC Desire, the first detailed review was by techradar,
First HTC Desire detailed review
Update: here are other reviews that came later on
TracyandMatt
SlashGear
cnet.co.uk
Gizmodo
metro.co.uk
pocket-lint
T3 Review
Knowyourmobile Review
Engadget Review
TrustedReviews, dont trust it though , in the video review the guy says "the desire is not so desirable" Lol
recombu
Mobileburn Review [ Part 1 | Part 2]
android.pocketpc.ch (translated from German)
RegHardware.co.uk (Desire was chosen as regHardware Editor's choice)
Mobile-Review (Russian)
IT PRO Review
PR Frog (Mini review)
tweakers.net (Dutch)
smh.com.au
fluidDynamic.co.uk
ohyeahar (XDA Member)
Telefonino.net (Italian)
areamobile.de (German)
Mobile-users.net: The best smartphone yet?
PhoneArena
GSMArena Review
pocketnow.com review
MobilyZ (Dutch)
Andicampbell (XDA Memeber)
Grigio.org (Italian)
PCPro
Videos (Updated):
Unboxing (and a little bit more) by tracyandmatt
Geekanoids Review ( the guy says he gets 2 full days worth of battery from the first charge )
Up-close with the HTC Desire
19 parts video review (German)
htcMania (Spanish)
HTC Desire benchmarking!
android.hdblog.it (Italian)
Pocketnow.com [ Unboxing | Harware Walkthrough | Sense UI walkthrough]
GSMArena first glance
TechnoBuffalo Desire Walkthrough
ENJOYYY
Update: for people who want to just read the verdict
Techradar Verdict
In short, this is a phenomenal phone - one of the best we've ever had on TechRadar. Usually when we like a phone on the first use, we end up horribly disappointed after a little use - but the HTC Desire kept on performing and achieving when we thought it wouldn't.
The screen is lovely, the design is slick and processor makes everything happen in a flash - all you'd want from a smartphone.
Sure, some people will want slightly nicer design (we'd advise you check out the Legend) or a simpler home screen and richer app store at the moment (look at the iPhone) but as a piece of hardware it's without par in the mobile world.
A stunning phone, and one that will show the world that Android isn't just for the hackers and phone geeks any more.
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Is it me or they didnt talked at all about the speaker loudness?
wow, that´s one pretty impressed reviewer Oo
"Verdict
In short, this is a phenomenal phone - one of the best we've ever had on TechRadar. Usually when we like a phone on the first use, we end up horribly disappointed after a little use - but the HTC Desire kept on performing and achieving when we thought it wouldn't."
good to know, let´s see what the other reviews will bring..
vegetaleb said:
Is it me or they didnt talked at all about the speaker loudness?
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they did say something about sound quality
The HTC Desire is an upgrade in the media department over the HTC Legend for a number of reasons - the first being the fact it has an upgraded audio performance in the shape of Dolby Mobile enhancement.
This isn't mentioned in the settings or anything, which makes us wonder if it's a big part of the audio experience - but in comparative tests, it seems to offer a richer bass sound and a nice mid range too....
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kirilliz said:
wow, that´s one pretty impressed reviewer Oo
"Verdict
In short, this is a phenomenal phone - one of the best we've ever had on TechRadar. Usually when we like a phone on the first use, we end up horribly disappointed after a little use - but the HTC Desire kept on performing and achieving when we thought it wouldn't."
good to know, let´s see what the other reviews will bring..
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added the verdict in the first post, a spoiler hehe
true indeed... great addition
Eddiemc said:
Read the review, page 8; media... It comes with an 8 gig sd card, so htc just granted your wishes
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Handtec and Clove still say its 4 GIG, .. I sure hope for an 8 though
How come they have this phone several days earlier (judging they could test the battery life)?
Is this retail version?
And they did not say about voice-to-text either, thus it is not there ...
Oh well, anyone know how to change the keyboard?
Damn fxxxing gorgeous phone!! love it! hope someone can do a touchscreen test and tell us that it has a perfect screen. can't press the jumping money anymore in my pocket.
gogol said:
How come they have this phone several days earlier (judging they could test the battery life)?
Is this retail version?
And they did not say about voice-to-text either, thus it is not there ...
Oh well, anyone know how to change the keyboard?
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yes they actually had it for around 3 or 4 days, and they tested it throughly .... I dont think its the final retail version, because *I heard* that the retail versions will be pushed to first of April ...
But who cares ... the most important major thing is, there aret any major bugs reported, within the next few days more reviews will come (and hopefully confirm) that there arent any major bugs/glitches/flaws in the device
I was hoping in that 7 page diatribe they would have made mention of the bootloader. But I suppose the target audience doesn't much care for that information...
Good and thorough review; could have been condensed down to 3 pages though
DAMN I just wanted to post this... then I see somebody already posted it!
I am going to read it now! But I already have seen a few people saying it is a good review ^^
deprecate said:
I was hoping in that 7 page diatribe they would have made mention of the bootloader. But I suppose the target audience doesn't much care for that information...
Good and thorough review; could have been condensed down to 3 pages though
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agreed, ... very good review though, considering that there arent a retail versions available yet.
I am waiting for engadget and GSMArena reviews, .. those are what count
XDA mark said:
DAMN I just wanted to post this... then I see somebody already posted it!
I am going to read it now! But I already have seen a few people saying it is a good review ^^
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not fast enough
and yeah its gooood, i almost jizzed myself reading it, jk hehe
irkan said:
*I heard* that the retail versions will be pushed to first of April ...
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Shame for all the t-mob uk customers (inc me) who will be listening for the postman tomorrow morning.
irkan said:
not fast enough
and yeah its gooood, i almost jizzed myself reading it, jk hehe
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Nice review indeed. But what I liked even more:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...le-phones-in-the-world-today-645440?artc_pg=1
Look who is on number 1!! Damn, can't wait to get this device. And yes, I am awaiting the Engadget and GSMArena reviews, those are usually the best.
Beware ...
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/itarsquo-s-htc-desire-time
It’s HTC Desire time!
26/03/[email protected]:33 by James - 262 words
Categories: News, Mobile Phones, PDA's & Accessories
Desire-Brown_Front
This is the one we have been waiting for!
The HTC Desire is now in our possession and over the coming days Matt will be posting the unboxing video and also putting together an in depth and extensive review of the device.
We must however point out a couple of things regarding the Desires out there at the moment, although we certainly do not wish to discredit anyone else's reviews.
We have been informed by a reliable source that some HTC Desires have been out for review for several days now, but these devices did not come from the same source as ours. These early versions did not contain the final ROM that we have been waiting for and I am reliably informed that those devices will have essential features missing. They have also had problems with the OS crashing and serious battery issues which is clearly down to the fact that Google had not completed the ROMS when the devices were shipped.
The batch of HTC Desires that we have had ours from have been in the UK for over a week now but were unable to be released pending the flashing of the final ROM. Its been a frustrating week waiting for Google to authorise the ROM but now its done the fun can begin.
Stay tuned to tracyandmatt.co.uk over the weekend as we will be bringing you some demo videos as well as the usual stuff. Please do interact with us via the forum too!
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gogol said:
Beware ...
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/itarsquo-s-htc-desire-time
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yeah i also saw that, but that does not matter,
What would be the difference, ... maybe few bugs or something, the review was detailed and its great that they did not have any major bugs or issues, even though that its not the final/ultimate retail version
XDA mark said:
Nice review indeed. But what I liked even more:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...le-phones-in-the-world-today-645440?artc_pg=1
Look who is on number 1!! Damn, can't wait to get this device. And yes, I am awaiting the Engadget and GSMArena reviews, those are usually the best.
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its the best device indeed, I cannot think of any existing/released phone that is better than this one
Yes That's the most important.
irkan said:
yeah i also saw that, but that does not matter,
What would be the difference, ... maybe few bugs or something, the review was detailed and its great that they did not have any major bugs or issues, even though that its not the final/ultimate retail version
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Related
THIS IS NEW Universal Unlocking thread with a SOLUTION.
Previous topic is HERE.
jabberwock said:
But don't forget mamaich and the others...as mentioned..
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of course,
MANY MANY MANY and MANY THANXS to:
mamaich
for his great finding, which makes this come true.
Everyone please praise mamaich!
itsme
for his wonderfull scripts and efforts put into researching
arc
for providing very special tools and interesting stuff
vijay555
for his constant support on anything
and for being my spokesman ))
machinagod
for providing usefull stuff and info
mwang
for donating Universal device to me and other support
and all of you guys for being patient )))
THANX
buzz
PS.: some kind of ehm... 'very special thanks' to v4victory )))
and to other guys, who call us begging muppets
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buzz the man
only one thing i can say....Buzz is the Man!
offcourse the others also!
donate so Buzz can buy a new centrino or something like that!!!!
OK Buzz hope to test the program as soon as possible thanks!!!!
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surinamer123 said:
only one thing i can say....Buzz is the Man!
offcourse the others also!
donate so Buzz can buy a new centrino or something like that!!!!
OK Buzz hope to test the program as soon as possible thanks!!!!
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Agree, have already donated, but a Centrino Duo would be better!
How to donate buzz-team? On His webside?
macpier said:
How to donate buzz-team? On His webside?
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buzzdev.net
There is a donate link on the page.
Centrino ?
Are you guys sure that buzz will buy a new centrino notebook with the donated money rather than spending the money on crack ?
greetz
So....
Just came back on the site and it looks like Buzz and Mamaich have hit the jackpot - however not sure on where in the trail the description of what to do is ? Looked on Buzzdev.net and doesn´t look like it´s there yet.
Buzz - will send you some money via your site when I´m back UK side (in sunny Barcelona right now)...
In the meantime - I have a business contract with Vodafone UK and as I had a German QTEC to unlock they recently offered to unlock a UK Vodafone QTEC free - they couldnt unlock a German one - so in the short term if anyone wants a UK Vodafone QTEC unlocked I´d be happy to try...Private email me if you want it done......FOC - first come first served as I can probs only get this done once.....
Cheers
Do we have a new time & date for release ?, I understand everyone has worked hard to get to this point, what is left to be done ?
Maybe
This is all just some scam to get us to donate (I know I did)...
Noooo just kidding!!!!
Looking forward to actualy use the phone of this unit!
Keep up the good work lads!
May the Schwarz be with you :wink:
If I made a statement that something would be released on a certain day, knowing that I had the whole world waiting for me I would try my best to deliver on time. And if for what ever reason it were late I certainly would not list credits, I would concentrate my efforts to the release and the first post would be a link for people to download.
The above may sound harsh but expectations have been rasied and then dropped which leads to frustration & confusion.
MobileMagic said:
If I made a statement that something would be released on a certain day, knowing that I had the whole world waiting for me I would try my best to deliver on time. And if for what ever reason it were late I certainly would not list credits, I would concentrate my efforts to the release and the first post would be a link for people to download.
The above may sound harsh but expectations have been rasied and then dropped which leads to frustration & confusion.
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Dude, lighten up, we should be grateful for Buzz & Co's efforts, and them keeping us up to date with what's happening! Give them a break (literally!)
Harsh!!, more like getting kicked in the gonads!
Some people here have been working very hard to get you this as freeware, the fact that it was delayed was inevitable due to the incompatibility issues with the laptop of the lead developer, thus, as he has mentioned, he has left it with sombody else to design the front end. Whenever outsourcing a project there are going to be delays due to teething problems. Youve got to remember that everybody involved in the development is a skilled professional who will likely have a mortgage, kids, and thus a job, this restricts the hours available for programming to a few per day, combined with the issue I mentioned above, this is likely to lead to (I would guess) at least a week of delays.
Weve all been patient until now. I know I personnaly would rather they take the time to get it done properly than to rush it and possibly turn all our phones into paperweights.
lets keep being supportive, and im sure they will deliver as soon as they can without putting undue stress on themselves and their families!
Consider how much money Microsoft put into their development, and then tell me the last time they actually reached one of their release targets?
[rumour control]
ai118: thanks for the support!
This release will happen, but given how long you guys have had to wait, I'd ask you to continue waiting quietly for a little while more... Buzz is currently coding this thing on my pc using remote desktop, with a remote connection to my Universal.
Now coding this stuff with the hardware in your hand is hard work, near impossible for most. With it in a different country, with no view or access to the phone - well, I'll leave it to your imagination, but it's not easy.
Now couple that with both of us also getting a bollocking from significant others as well, and you'll realise that when it is released, the code will be liberally splashed with our own blood I'm typing with one hand, crying baby in the other :evil:
It's unfortunate Buzz pre-announced, but he was so overjoyed when the alpha release worked, he couldn't contain himself. You guys try to be a bit calmer then him, m'kay?
It's coming, and it's one hell of an international collaboration. I hope Buzz isn't stealing my porn while he's connected And if he is, well, I was young and needed the money
It'll be days or less, but for any acts of God.
V
FYI, I am very willing to support a 'Core Duo Laptop' for Buzz drive. I am all for it. We can get some great deals in the States, especially on Dells. Of course, it would have to have an international warranty so I guess Dells are out.
I think Buzz deserves a T60p for his efforts
In the meantime, I recommend, as I have done so before that all of us support not just buzzdev.net but this site. Heck, we should even donate a few bucks to Vijay555's site.
And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.
monakh said:
FYI, I am very willing to support a 'Core Duo Laptop' for Buzz drive. I am all for it. We can get some great deals in the States, especially on Dells. Of course, it would have to have an international warranty so I guess Dells are out.
I think Buzz deserves a T60p for his efforts
In the meantime, I recommend, as I have done so before that all of us support not just buzzdev.net but this site. Heck, we should even donate a few bucks to Vijay555's site.
And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.
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monakh said:
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And folks who have waited patiently for so long, can wait a bit longer, I am certain. Anyone else who has a problem with the delay can take a hike. No one is compelled to deliver on time here. Everyone does stuff on their own and it's not like they get paid for it so stop your whining and get lost.
Oh, and trexysexy, you are clearly a troll who is jealous of Buzz and mamaich, so please 'buzz off'.
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Agree.... but how can anybody donate if the paypal option is anavailable?
Re: come one buzz make us happy!
kolff010 said:
and here is the 4th dutchman
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and one from austria
Thanks for all your efforts Buzz, and everyone else who is making this possible.
I suspect those being critical of the delays are nothing more than Ebay scammers who rip people off by advertising an unlocking service for silly amounts of money, and are now about to lose their revenue stream... alternatively, they're people looking to make a quick buck off your hard work.
I've donated an amount equivalent to what I would have been prepared to pay for a commercial service, but I'm shocked by how few other donations there are - certainly not enough to buy a new laptop, sadly. I'd implore anyone reading this thread; if you're going to benefit from an unlocker, then you too should recompense Buzz for his hard work via the Paypal options on his website.
battletank said:
Thanks for all your efforts Buzz, and everyone else who is making this possible.
I suspect those being critical of the delays are nothing more than Ebay scammers who rip people off by advertising an unlocking service for silly amounts of money, and are now about to lose their revenue stream... alternatively, they're people looking to make a quick buck off your hard work.
I've donated an amount equivalent to what I would have been prepared to pay for a commercial service, but I'm shocked by how few other donations there are - certainly not enough to buy a new laptop, sadly. I'd implore anyone reading this thread; if you're going to benefit from an unlocker, then you too should recompense Buzz for his hard work via the Paypal options on his website.
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I live in the Eastern Europe and paypal does not accept members from my part of teh world.... :-(
Is there any owner of this new HTC gadget in this forum?
HTC Max 4G, the first 4G phone in the world
So far I cannot find anything for my new Max, except microSD.
If there's accessory producers reading this forum, please take into consideration this amazing WinMo device!
Begovaya said:
Is there any owner of this new HTC gadget in this forum?
HTC Max 4G, the first 4G phone in the world
So far I cannot find anything for my new Max, except microSD.
If there's accessory producers reading this forum, please take into consideration this amazing WinMo device!
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Welcome to the forum
MaybaI can be mistaken, but I think you are the first HTC Max user on this site, can you please post some pictures and reviews for the rest of us?
I´m sure someone will give you the right direction on your questions
Good luck,
Please excuse me for replying late... only saw your post now
Here are some pictures (hopefully flickr links work; first two photos were taken by SonyEricsson P1i)
Pyramidal Box
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The officer on the picture is the ad of a 2008 Russian film "Admiral", which can be watched on the Yota TV channel.
(Yota is the name of the 4G network)
Features
My poor translation from Russian to English --> both languages are foreign to me.
"Yota. Now Music and favorite TV are always with you.
All the best of music. Tens of TV channels.
2 years free of charge. Already in operation.
Internet. Fast than ever.
Amazing high speed access to 4G Mobile WiMax.
Always on-line. No limit".
Opening
As a newby I am limited to only 4 pictures... so I post separately.
Minimum accessories, no soft case no microSD -- not reasonable for a $1300 phone
Close resemblance to HTC HD
No flash
Only 3 buttons -- I really hate the guy who removed the 'cancel' button
With my beloved SE P1i
Comparison to iPhone
Sorry I cannot write any review now since it is my first WinMo phone. Perhaps after weeks I can give some comment.
I wonder how the contrast and resolution of the screen compares to the iPhone. But please let us know your thoughts on the phone once you've broken it in.
Thanks a lot Begovaya!!
I´m sure this are the first exclusive pics of Max on this site!
Thanks a lot and hope you can post your reviews about it once you´ll get more familiar with it.
About comparisions with other devices it has almost the same specs as HTC HD, and there are already thousands of comparisions between them, so let´s no waste time on it (Just a suggestion).
The most important here is the WIMAX service so let us know about it in detail.
About the accesories you are looking for, I´m sure you can use the same as the HD ones, same case for software and apps (Someone correct me if I´m wrong):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=451
I´m sure soon Max will have it´s own dedicated thread
Spaciva,
orb3000 said:
Thanks a lot Begovaya!!
The most important here is the WIMAX service so let us know about it in detail.
About the accesories you are looking for, I´m sure you can use the same as the HD ones, same case for software and apps (Someone correct me if I´m wrong):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=451
I´m sure soon Max will have it´s own dedicated thread
Spaciva,
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Thanks for response! I guess you mean "Spasibo".
Also thank you for telling me the HD forum.
Regarding the 4G WiMax network, I'll share the experience in the HD forum.
SneekySoldier said:
I wonder how the contrast and resolution of the screen compares to the iPhone. But please let us know your thoughts on the phone once you've broken it in.
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I think the owners of HD can tell about this better than I. The screen is larger than iPhone (it's only noticeable when you place them side by side)
The resolution is fantastic and it is the first phone that makes me feel surfing is alright on a phone.
Some people say 65k colors are enough. THAT AIN'T TRUE. I copy my favorite photos which I took by a Canon EOS 5D (of course the files are shrunk to reasonable size) to the Max4G. The 'discontinuity of color gradient' is very obvious. (I hope you understand my English) That's due to TOO FEW COLORS.
But still, the resolution is great and photos look subtle.
65k is a problem, but phone is not guilty for this. The problem is in Microsoft e.g in Windows mobile. It only supports 65k. Maybe in new versions it will be corrected
WiMax 2.5Ghz Maidstone Kent UK
Hello, Does any one know if this handset will work on my Local Wimax service in Maidstone Kent the trial is being conducted by Mobile Wimax Acceleration Group M-WAG and is running on a 2.5ghz band, i will contact Kerl Haslam at M-WAG today and ask about access to this service, seen sevice in daily use with emergency services and police. Going back to russia in two weeks so tempeted to pick one of these HTC handsets
So my question is, can you tether the WiMax service to a desktop PC?
If so, what is the speed test results?
Begovaya said:
Is there any owner of this new HTC gadget in this forum?
HTC Max 4G, the first 4G phone in the world
So far I cannot find anything for my new Max, except microSD.
If there's accessory producers reading this forum, please take into consideration this amazing WinMo device!
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HTC_GLOW said:
Hello, Does any one know if this handset will work on my Local Wimax service in Maidstone Kent the trial is being conducted by Mobile Wimax Acceleration Group M-WAG and is running on a 2.5ghz band, i will contact Kerl Haslam at M-WAG today and ask about access to this service, seen sevice in daily use with emergency services and police. Going back to russia in two weeks so tempeted to pick one of these HTC handsets
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I'm not sure which bands YOTA uses, but according to HTC "Mobile WiMAX: IEEE 802.16e (2.5 ~ 2.7 GHz)" which means it should operate on any 2.5Ghz network, but I'm speculating on that part as I've not had experience with WiMax
It should work, but maybe phone is locked in some way to Yota
keithwwalker said:
So my question is, can you tether the WiMax service to a desktop PC?
If so, what is the speed test results?
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Yes, there is a built-in program "Modem WiMax", according to the manual, you can use HTC Max4G as a modem for PC or notebook.
However, the WiMax coverage in Moscow isn't satisfactory yet. So such test is not possible for me now.
Sorry I'm a WinMo newbie and my knowledge is limited, not able to say anything further.
Clear WiMax was just introduced in Portland Oregon. It would be a kick to setup the phone as unlocked, and then use it as a modem as well. I don't think they would allow that though, access is via a usb dongle for mobile and a paperweight modem for desktop use:
https://www.clear.com/clear_gear.php
$50/month for broadband mobile internet, VOI telephony. It's a total win.
portland wimax
I live in Portland too and am very curious about " Clear WiMax. Has any one who reads here posess the skills to abapt Clear's USB Dongle to mini USB, rewrite the necessary software, and do whatever else is necessary to make wimax work on my HTC Blackstone?
I would gladly pay for any equipment and fees necessary to have this project end with favorable results!
Please contact me at this email with questions and answers.
[email protected]
P.S The rights to any potential commercial product would remail with the fabricator, I just want to be the first one to benifit from it's use.
sincerly,
John Nance
John, I think it would be worth running down to a Clear store with a usb dongle to see if it would somehow work with your phone.
fwiw, Clear has no way to reach tech support, or even leave feedback on getting an HTC or Nokia wimax phone into their lineup.
I was at a BestBuy and Clear was there, but it was the usual idiots who only sell contracts. They are the lowest of the low - I knew the nation was in trouble when I started meeting cell phone salesman-like idiots telling me they were 'mortgage brokers'....but that's another story.
Has anyone confirmed that mods and software for Blackstone are compatible with the Max?
Seriously considering picking up an unlocked one once the price comes down a little bit. It is supposedly a long way out before where I live in China will see 3G coverage, so I will have to live with EDGE no matter what handset I buy. The design of the Max is spot on, and it would suit my needs well enough.
Hi all ass google told me, there will be an unofficial update for hd2 but they still have problems with the grafic driver.
I may buy an Hd2 and i want to know your opinion about the graphic bug and if the Hd2 has enough sufficient hardware; 1Ghz cpu is MINIMUM requierement and in the video in youtube the os works really slow.
Thx
wait until its ready for the HD2 before you buy 1, because its no guarantee that it will work & if it does who knows if it will be able to download things from the marketplace
as far as graphic drivers if those arent up to par the whole UI will be pointless (laggy & choppy) to many unknowns to spend that much on a phone imo
I talked to HTC and T-mobile they expect the update mid to late june around the same time the Iphone 4g will be droppin...
sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
Thx guys but with unofficial update i mean the russian guys who could get wp7 working on the hd2
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sorry to say but they just fed you donkey balls =)
the only thing I have seen or even heard/downloaded is a new rom from htc and its still 6.5
it isn't 7 =/
Officially microsoft has repeatedly stated that no device will get the wp7 upgrade sadly...so take it as it were but that's the official word
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can u find the official microsoft statement and give s a link here??
well..I found this:
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Cue the sad trombone, folks. If you were waiting around with your Windows Mobile 6.5 device with hopes that Microsoft would one day bless it with a new chance at life in the form of Windows Phone 7, it’s time to move on.
APC Magazine just got the full spiel from Microsoft themselves: Windows Mobile 6.5 devices won’t be upgradable to Windows Phone 7 series. (You hear that? Five hundred XDA hackers just scoffed and said “Yeah, we’ll see about that.”)
Why? Standards. Microsoft has a very, very, almost ridiculously strict set of hardware guidelines that they want manufacturing partners to follow when building Windows Phone 7 Series handsets — and for the most part, old handsets just don’t fit the bill. They either lack one of the three mandatory keys (search, back, and Windows key), or — get this — they have too many keys.
A while back, a shot of the HTC HD2 allegedly running Windows Phone 7 Series hit the net. We were quick to debunk it here, with our reasoning being that the HD2 lacked the mandatory search key. Sure enough: Microsoft’s GM of Mobile Communications in the Asia-Pacific, Natasha Kwan, says the HD2 won’t be getting the upgrade “because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Of course, this just means that they won’t be getting the upgrade treatment from Microsoft. As we mentioned above, there’s probably a mighty army of hackers just waiting to get their hands on Windows Phone ROMs for the sake of down-porting it to older handsets; if it’s feasible, it’ll probably happen.
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http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/03/01/windows-mobile-6-5-upgrade-windows-phone-7/
daam..now i'm becoming really the anti-microsoft..
and I never thought I would say that..not even after windows ME and Vista on pc..
how can they do this to us???
So they say just because there aint no search button..and there r to mush other buttons our phones wont get WP 7?
SO that means we (all HD2 users)just got f****d???dam..I spent alotta money not to change my phone in couple of month..since WM 6.5 is totally dead..
MS will change their mind
When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).
I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..
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I abhor statements like this from the above poster
MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.
Fact remains
Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...
so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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actually u should read my post below this one..
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad
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thats alright friend
but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..
plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..
personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.
Waiting game.
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.
This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.
For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
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Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device.
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I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?
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I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=684346
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.
And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.
The Stupid = Too many buttons.
Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.
The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.
One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
Thought you guys might find this interesting...
Its a phone case that transforms into a car dock, adjustable camera mount, movie stand, credit card holder, Sd card holder & SUPPORTS the extended battery.]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6NLUEnYQdY
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jawcase/121340187919260
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Looks pretty sick too!
That looks like a really cool case.
Too bad their website isn't finished.
I'm buying one as soon as it comes out! The Facebook profile states they will start pre-order sales in just a few days! The video plus the pictures on Facebook are great information.
this was posted over at androidforums a few months ago. apparently the "company" that was going to make these cases need start-up money for the project. i remember the last few pages of posts on the thread was calling the op a scam artist...
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this was posted over at androidforums a few months ago. apparently the "company" that was going to make these cases need start-up money for the project. i remember the last few pages of posts on the thread was calling the op a scam artist...
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That's where I got the link to this project. I personally asked the creator if she'd sell me one, she wouldn't take my money though. She eventually got banned from that site because the admin wants people to pay to post links about their products. The day she left she asked them to delete the thread because she couldn't afford it and sent me and a few other members links to a face book page. Instead of simply deleting the thread they banned her! I think she said they wanted $500 just to allow her to keep her post, now that is a scam!
For a while I thought it was vaporware because there was no updates on the face book page but now there is new photos every day and she says she'll be able to do pre-orders soon.
I think if it was a scam and if it didn't work there wouldn't be so much proof that the concept works, also why didn't she take my money?
The reason why I started coming on here to XDA developers is because android forums is run by greedy businessmen.
I forgot to add this before, here's the facebook page where I got the photos.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jawcase/121340187919260
WooHoo!
they are accepting orders next monday
Update: they got a demo video...
Product Page
Wow this thread died!
Man...that sucks. First they say then are taking pre-orders on the 7th and then, you go to the website and they say they are looking for $9,300 in pledges before the project officially begins. They are only at 3% of the goal. Sounds like bogus to me even if it is legit.
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Man...that sucks. First they say then are taking pre-orders on the 7th and then, you go to the website and they say they are looking for $9,300 in pledges before the project officially begins. They are only at 3% of the goal. Sounds like bogus to me even if it is legit.
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Dude, they just started a day ago, I was a bit worried myself but the site they are using doesn't take ANY money unless the project reaches its funding goal. They could have used Amazon or some other site that takes money immediately when you pre-order. This is the same thing as pre-ordering, its just that they have a minimum pre-order amount to make the case.
I've been watching their thread on this site...
droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-accessories/4609-droid-x-polyurethane-hard-case-images.html
They have a alot of "fans" on that site, I've seen no complaints about scams or anything there.
I think its awful when some people spread rumors that this is a scam with no proof to back it up, I have a case but I'm going to contribute to this project.
The Jawcase concept and the Kickstarter concept are good. It's hard for small people to get started with manufacturing a new idea. So I applaud this gal for sticking with it, and using the Kickstarter method to help get their business off the ground.
They are using Amazon Payments for the pledge system. Nothing will be charged unless they reach their goal of 9300. I pledged 25 bucks to essentially pre-order the case. It's a great concept, and hopefully others will follow suite.
Wow, look at this! A cnc milled version for the iPhone 4. Apparently its going to be around $100!
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Wow, look at this! A cnc milled version for the iPhone 4. Apparently its going to be around $100!
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And? Why do I get a funny feeling that some of these posts here are spam posts for advertisment for this case? This is NOT an iJunk forum and for $100, I much rather buy from a reputable well known company like Body Glove and Otterbox. No offense, great concept, I would use it all the time if it was available for sale, IF it's ever available for sale. My two cents.
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And? Why do I get a funny feeling that some of these posts here are spam posts for advertisment for this case? .
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Uh... you think? No one is going to take their case off each time and put it on there dash. it's no dock. Junk IMO.
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And? Why do I get a funny feeling that some of these posts here are spam posts for advertisment for this case? This is NOT an iJunk forum and for $100, I much rather buy from a reputable well known company like Body Glove and Otterbox. No offense, great concept, I would use it all the time if it was available for sale, IF it's ever available for sale. My two cents.
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Sorry if it seems like spam, I specifically asked everyone that was interested in my case to spread the word by tipping gadget blogs and posting on forums.
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Uh... you think? No one is going to take their case off each time and put it on there dash. it's no dock. Junk IMO.
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I dont mean to sound defensive, but I have strong thoughts on this.
Don't be so pessimistic of start ups everyone has to start somewhere, companies like the creator of the solid wood dock, the game gripper, dockem, ezestand, element case, and most of the other aluminum cases for the iphone are/were small start ups.
Our case is genuinely beneficial to most droid x owners, it saves you a lot of money on your phone accessories, and is much more practical to your every day life.
We're currently sending our case out for previews, the guy I sent the case out today has a car dock so he should be able to tell us the pro's and con's of our version.
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I dont mean to sound defensive, but I have strong thoughts on this.
It's remarkable that so many people in the droid community have this distrust of start up's. Everyone has to start somewhere, companies like the creator of the solid wood dock, the game gripper, dockem, ezestand, element case, and most of the other aluminum cases for the iphone are/were small start ups.
Our case is genuinely beneficial to most droid x owners, it saves you a lot of money on your phone accessories, and is much more practical to your every day life.
We're currently sending our case out for previews, the guy I sent the case out today has a car dock so he should be able to tell us the pro's and con's of our version.
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What's remarkable is that a startup company having such thin skin. If you put a product out there you better be ready for harsh criticism. Embrace it. It's the only way you can make a better product. You don't put something out and then expect it's perfect without receiving a lot of feedback-be it good or bad. So be happy anyone is making comments on your product.
i would like to see the cad/cam files before i believe its cnc milled.
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i would like to see the cad/cam files before i believe its cnc milled.
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Right now we only have a cnc iphone version, this is because the shape of the iphone is much easier and cheaper to make. The droid X version would cost over $100 per case.
I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Start-up ideas...great. That's part of the backbone of America.
But something like this perhaps would have had a LOT better chance getting off the ground if done 1-1/2 years ago. That's my thought. I've occasionally stopped by to check the progress on the funds to be raised, (as a post-graduate in business management some time back and just saying that to give some perspective) I don't see that the funding goal is going to be reached. And by the time it might ever happen, I'll probably have moved on something else (i.e. HTC) as I'm getting too annoyed with Motorola's locked bootloader stance.
On the plus side, it does sound like the Droid X2 will have the same dimensions. Or so some folks hope in order to be able to use the same accessories and such.
If you believe in this product, go for it, as long as you understand its late in the game (my thinking) with respect to the DX and hopefully would work on the DX 2. There are always going to be folks ready to 'dis anything. I still chuckle when I think about the guy who demanded a refund from JRummy16 for the Liberty Toolbox ... available for FREE on the Market. The way some folks whine about all that the devs do and offer them for free, just imagine (nah...you don't have to even imagine it) what happens when you mention $$ for it. ;-)
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What's remarkable is that a startup company having such thin skin. If you put a product out there you better be ready for harsh criticism. Embrace it. It's the only way you can make a better product. You don't put something out and then expect it's perfect without receiving a lot of feedback-be it good or bad. So be happy anyone is making comments on your product.
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What's remarkable is someone calling a product "junk" without having laid eyes or hands on it.
I personally don't feel her response was a thin skinned answer. Yours however leaves something to be desired.
Hello friends, this is my first post, just thought I'd share a few thoughts about my HTC titan. Coming from an android device (HTC desire running 2.2 froyo) , was immediately impressed by the smoothness and ease of use, and the huge screen is a revelation! I used to have an xda Orbit 2 (running windows mobile 6.1) and there is no comparison, so much better in every way. The android phone scores better than windows phones in that it is so customizable, but I found myself playing with the settings for hours on end without actually using it! A few times I have swapped back to my Desire, but never for long- what I thought was a smooth browsing experience was very jerky, and the flash player didn't help, slowing the phone down whilst loading numerous adverts on each webpage. After a while I found myself getting bored with the metro start screen, and can't wait for the 7.8 update with a busier screen. Android has thousands of apps, 95% of which are garbage. I find I only need a few good apps on my titan- a good you tube app, picasa app being the most important ( I like to upload my pictures an videos to the cloud where they are safe) . I had an issue with outgoing call quality on my titan- my voice was muffled, the answer was to tape over the noise cancelling mike on top of the phone. Also be careful with the case you use- any with metal in them seem to kill the reception. Now I use a rubberized case, my previous leather one (with aluminium stiffening) and my plastic case (with aluminium stuck on the back) are now gathering dust upstairs! Overall, I love this o.s., it may not be as flashy as some, but works. As an aside, I bought the Mugen 1950 ma battery, and the phone lasts two and a half days easily with moderate use- I bought a Mugen 3200 ma battery for my desire, and it only lasts two days!
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Hi++
so you switched to WINDOWS PHONE , congratulation and Welcome to your new community !
and here is HTC titan 7.8 roms :
Sianto Edition AL
EB Edition V2.6
++ HTC TITAN unlocking and SPL guide-1
HTC TITAN unlocking and SPL guide-2
Have fun !!
Hey, thanks for welcoming me Spider-7. And thanks for link to all those roms. I should say tho that I've never flashed a rom to any of my phones, they are all totally stock. I do enjoy the xda site for all its useful info, like tips and tricks, accessories etc. Yes, went from windows mobile to android and back to windows again, windows seems like a professional platform to me. I'll wait for the official update for 7.8 to come, whenever that may be!
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Hey, thanks for welcoming me Spider-7. And thanks for link to all those roms. I should say tho that I've never flashed a rom to any of my phones, they are all totally stock. I do enjoy the xda site for all its useful info, like tips and tricks, accessories etc. Yes, went from windows mobile to android and back to windows again, windows seems like a professional platform to me. I'll wait for the official update for 7.8 to come, whenever that may be!
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Welcome to WP7 and soon 7.8 have fun
Thanks Dinchy87. Didn't know I'd been a member since 2008- must've joined when I had my windows mobile! Only took me nearly 4 years for my first post!
Welcome
I would recomend checking out the Skydrive App if you are into Cloud backup, It can be used for totaly automatic backup of photos
Mark
Thanks for the tip, but I read somewhere that the photos are uploaded in a lower resolution, don't know if this is right.
Welcome! The Titan is a nice device. I rock a Focus S but I have a Titan too I got repaired for a friend. Both solid units. Some apps to get: Board Express Pro (it runs a bit better on WP than the WP version of the XDA app), Amazing Weather/Weatherflow, Ask Ziggy, Amazon, Gleek! (if you're into Twitter), LinkedIn, Metrotibe, Daily Wallpaper, TurboCam, Photosynth and WPCentral.
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I meant Metrotube (for YouTube videos)
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Hello! Yes, I like the titan very much, just the call quality issues that spoilt it at first. I have the super tube app for watching you tube videos, and is pretty good. Who needs flash!
Just last night I purchased the surf cube browser after using the trial first, and it seems good. More features on the u.i. than internet explorer, you can swipe for favourites or use an onscreen joystick. Tried uc browser too, but was disappointed. Uc was available on android, and was pretty quick. Earlier on I was reading a review of the new Nokia lumia 920. I'm not sure that windows 8 is much of an improvement over 7.5/7.8. Seems more of a refinement than a major step forward. I can't upgrade for 6 months, and I'm not sure that I would. I'm sure everything will run a little quicker with the dual core CPU, and you need that to shoot 1080p videos, but I may wait till windows 9 is out, till the difference in performance is really noticable. Just my thoughts.
For you since you are new to the platform, 7.5 to 7.8 will do just fine. I'd either wait to see what gets put out in the spring before you upgrade, of if you get a lumia 920 on the cheap, then take it. Supertube is a fine app too
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Oh yes, I'd say the 920 is a superb phone for sure. And as time goes on I suppose windows 8 will improve on windows 7 series in one big way- the apps. I just hope that the developers who design apps for 8 will also do the same apps for 7. Though will that be more difficult than it sounds since the o.s. Kernels are different? Forgive me if I'm wrong, these are things I've picked up looking thru xda and WP central forums- and I'm no developer!
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Oh yes, I'd say the 920 is a superb phone for sure. And as time goes on I suppose windows 8 will improve on windows 7 series in one big way- the apps. I just hope that the developers who design apps for 8 will also do the same apps for 7. Though will that be more difficult than it sounds since the o.s. Kernels are different? Forgive me if I'm wrong, these are things I've picked up looking thru xda and WP central forums- and I'm no developer!
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it wouldn't be so hard if they developed For the 7.x platform as 8.x supports both, but it would mean some features would not be available. If they develops for 8 first and use 8 only functions then they will have to re do it for it to work on 7 costing more time and money. Logically any developer should aim to target 7.x to gain the widest possible user base. Games maybe the exception here but in an ideal world, shouldn't be, it would mean not having cutting edge wp8 game tho which isn't ideal from a selling point of view
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it wouldn't be so hard if they developed For the 7.x platform as 8.x supports both, but it would mean some features would not be available. If they develops for 8 first and use 8 only functions then they will have to re do it for it to work on 7 costing more time and money. Logically any developer should aim to target 7.x to gain the widest possible user base. Games maybe the exception here but in an ideal world, shouldn't be, it would mean not having cutting edge wp8 game tho which isn't ideal from a selling point of view
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That's the thing. Ideally as a dev you code for both, and that's what I've been telling a close friend who wants to get in on WP. But because the market for WP7 was relatively small, if the first wave for WP8 are a smash hit then most will not code for WP7. Devs are in a tricky spot in that if Gen 1 WP 8 doesn't sell, they may be forced to code for Windows 8 only before they come back fully to the WP platform.
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Is it correct that 7.8 devices will still be made and sold alongside wp8 devices? If so, app developers would be encouraged to develop for both platforms.
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Is it correct that 7.8 devices will still be made and sold alongside wp8 devices? If so, app developers would be encouraged to develop for both platforms.
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well I thought so, I have no proof but im sure I read somewhere that 7.8 effectively becomes the low end parts
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well I thought so, I have no proof but im sure I read somewhere that 7.8 effectively becomes the low end parts
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That's exactly what will happen. Nokia's 510 that was recently announced is now the poster child of that. It still is a good idea for devs to code for both, but we will see it they will...
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The more I use my titan, the more impressed I am with it. Lets hope apps keep being developed so these devices can only keep getting better.
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The more I use my titan, the more impressed I am with it. Lets hope apps keep being developed so these devices can only keep getting better.
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I'm glad you dig the Titan. I've always loved some of the HTC unibody designs, so it is cool for me own one, even though I plan to use it as a backup phone. . Support really depends on how much stuff from WP8 gets ported into 7.8. If there are enough new features, it will hold some over until Gen2 WP8, or WP9.
My issue with HTC over the last few years is that they're releasing too many devices with that "one thing missing" to not make them popular, or releasing the right device a few months later , when the market's moved on. Adding the ****ty aftermarket (comparative to Nokia) and non hacker friendly (comparative to Samsung) support, they cannot help but bleed money...
Sorry for the rant.... The Titan is an excellent Gen 2 WP 7 phone. Let's see what HTC does with its successor...
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Oh yes, onwards and upwards! I'm glad that WP hasn't gone the way of android with a new o.s. Upgrade every 6 months- you no sooner get your jellybean powered phone than the rumours start of the new upgraded system with amazing multitasking features , which render your phone obsolete (a friend at work has a Samsung s3 with picture in picture capability, so he can continue watching whatever while he plays with his start screen- wtf! ) no wonder quad core cpu's are so necessary! An excellent improvement for the next upgrade would be an external battery so you don't need to take the back off the phone when the damn thing freezes up! I would call this the Cadbury's chocolate bar upgrade! I don't mean to knock android, but my stock 2.2 desire used to freeze up regularly for no reason at all, and my Titan hasn't frozen once in 6 months. It all comes down to what you like, an if you are happy with whatever phone you have, then I am very happy for you! I can't comment on Apple products, I've never tried one, they really don't interest me. So in short, lets just have upgrades to the o.s. when there is something usefully added, or leave them as they are. P.s. Thanks for the thanks Trappxl!