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I'm a coder with a shed load of console and PC development experience and I've been looking into doing some dev work on my new HTC Desire.
First thing that struck me was how bad the performance of the san-angeles demo is. I recompiled it using the arm7 eabi and still the performance sucked.
So I've tried out Quake 3. MY performance is pretty much identical to this chaps:
(Because I'm not allowed to post links: Look up "Quake 3 HTC Desire" on youtube)
So at least I know its not just me. The thing that confuses me, though, if you compare it to this video of the nexus one:
(Look up "Quake 3 Nexus one" on youtube)
You can see how badly the desire is performing.
So ... erm ... WTF is going on here? The CPU and GPU hardware in the Desire and Nexus one is the same isn't it? IS the Sense UI really causing performance to get hit THAT badly?
Anyone got any ideas how to improve performance? 'Cos this is making me sadly look at the iPhone for games development again and I prefer the Desire in general but the 3D performance is just waaaay too bad
Well i really think it's a matter of good or bad porting, since the Desire and Nexus one are essentially the same in hardware.
I don't think either that Sense have anything to do with it.
The games you're looking at are probably intended for 2.2 which has a massive speed improvement over 2.1. The Desire should be one of the next phones getting it, so that's good.
Does the nexus one used to demo the performance have froyo? Will that have a very positive impact on the Desire's performance?
Strangely I thought "Why don't I turn down the in-game settings?". After doing so it was much smoother.
So I decided to see which setting was killing it. So I pushed them back up one by one. Fine.
So I pushed texture detail BEYOND what it was originally ... Fine (Though frame rate is probably around 15fps). There is obviously something else amiss.
Now I've restarted and even WITH sound its running OK.
So yeah ... I take that back ... would love to know what was going on though.
To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave
Also ... this doesn't explain why the san-angeles demo was running so poorly
foxmeister said:
To be honest, when I looked at the Nexus One Quake3 video on YouTube, everything looked much lower quality than what I saw on the Desire Quake3 video, but it was very difficult to tell as both videos were poor.
Regards,
Dave
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Yeah you are probably right ... Anyway ... porting my GL/DX9/10/11 engine to Android Ahoy!
Might be worth checking what resolution you're running at.
Once I set mine to run at 800x480 rather than the default 800x600 it jumped up to a reasonable speed....although it's still damn near impossible to play without decent controls
If only we had Urban Terror (far better Q3 port) on Android
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HTC prepare a new Windows phone with a 16MPX !!
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-preparing-16-megapixel-windows-phone-7-video
if that's real that bumps the specs to dual core...
8x60
dual core!
if that is really an htc commercial it looks rather fake but if it sports 16 mp that is a snapdragon 8x60 I think if it has a keyboard I may be sold
The first comment said it best on the YouTube page for that video: we don't need more mp, what we need are better lenses. Although I don't think with our current tech we can fit good enough ones into cell phones.
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The first comment said it best on the YouTube page for that video: we don't need more mp, what we need are better lenses. Although I don't think with our current tech we can fit good enough ones into cell phones.
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I don't think its real...
where is it on the htc youtube page
where is the htc logo
why does the video look so low quality
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
Photos taken with HOX have a lot of noise indeed.. Sadly, HOX camera cannot compare to my ex iPhone 4s' camera.
EDIT: you might wanna look into that thread.
It's not that the sensor is bad, it's just really really bad compression on the pictures that is applied by the stock camera. Using a different camera app yields much sharper images.
Can you be more specific what app are you using? Isn't compression done before image even reaches any app?
Of course not, compression is performed only when dumping the image to storage. Until then, it's only RAW memory.
I'm facing the same issue now.. I must try another Photo APP...
Any ideas?!
Maybe is the compression you can try to use camera fv-5
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
I also feel that the camera isnt up to the standard as my old iPhone 4 was. Thought it was just me.
Anyone have a suggestion for a good app that will decrease noise on photo's?
I have problem too
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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I also have the same problem and have not found a solution, even though my phone is a htc one x +. See this link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2264896
Dyonas said:
A lot of fuss was made over the "ImageSense" chip in the One series, especially the One X and One S, but when an HTC tweet mentioned a blog post (also by HTC employees) where they took it out on a trip and took some shots I was eager to see the results. The first impression was that the thumbnails looked great so I clicked through to the full-size images and ......... that's where I sat in shock at how really poor the image quality was. There was noise in around 50% of the image, lack of detail in most areas and it just plain sucked.
I commented on the article, as did others, all commenting on how poor it was for a supposed fantastic camera with all new ImageSense chip. After a while the person who posted the photos replied saying they were uploaded in reduced quality to save on load times and that full versions would be uploaded soon. At that time the full size images that I'd seen were removed. No new images were posted the last time I looked and as I now own the One X I've seen for myself that, sadly, this is the actual quality of the camera. No matter the light or subject I have noise and lost detail all over.
Is my experience here unique or are others finding that, for a supposedly fantastic camera phone with new chip specifically for photos, it just plain sucks?
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Camera of HTC One X is one of the worst camera since HD2, even HD2 has better camera. The only good thing here is HDR mode, which is also not so good.
One X produces photos with so much noise, dynamic range varies and contrast is bad, and on direct light cant compare even with old Blackberry phones like 9780 or 9800 torch. Colors turn to be cold/blue. Photos are washed out etc etc There are no life in photos.
One X and One followed with BIG ADVERTISEMENTS and MARKETING CAMPAIGN, they are not good camera phones. I was naive to buy it. Now im searching to replace with Incredible S or Sensation even HD2.
HTC Sensation equiped with much better camera. Blacberry 9810 and 9800 has 10x better cameras. Not to mention N8 or E7 Nokia.
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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I have made AWESOME pictures with the cyanogenmod camera APP. And now I reverted to stock and the only difference I get is that images are no longer sharper but after an auto enhance edit I get some pretty nice colors and I'm glad with the pictures again.. I wasn't glad with the macro shooting of cyanogenmod and I wasn't glad with the system overall that's why I got to stock.
Thanks ,Dan.
USING HOX
Phk said:
Yes, but your sig still says bless HTC..
I changed to SGS4 and the camera is the best i'e seen.. think about doing the same. No hope for Hox..
Cheers!
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funny but im not giving up on HTC as ive mentioned.
i will buy sensation or one v.
it is very bizzare company politics of HTC to announce three new models One v, one s and One x and ONE V which is 'value model' has way better camera than 'superior' A class ONE X.
and what we are... donkeys... it is all about some software (loaded on purpose because of that competition stuff) i suppose, same chip, same camera software two different photo qualities,
Since both devices have the same HTC ImageChip DSP, they both should perform the same, right? Apparently no. According to PhoneArena, "The HTC One S takes slightly oversaturated photos with good contrast and amount of detail. The colors are colder in the case of the One X, and it has more accurate color representation with white balance a bit off in some shots." To me, the shots look better on the One S. You can check it here: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/HTC-One-X-vs-HTC-One-S_id3005/page/3
Any idea how to improve the one x's cam?
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Hi mate, I havent heard the One S is better before, but shall take a read of that link.
But I have asked this question before, and didn't get an answer. (NOT HERE ON GOOGLE!)
I wanted to know, surely theres some tweaks etc you can perform to get the most out of the camera, but I'm no means a camera nerd and havent got a clue what makes a picture better, apart from MegaPixel and ive been told thats nothing to do with quality, just how big you can blow it up.
Anyone have any tips for improving the HTC One X cam?
**edit** : looked at your link.
I definately agree the HTC One S pictures are alot better. What gives?
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Hi mate, I havent heard the One S is better before, but shall take a read of that link.
But I have asked this question before, and didn't get an answer. (NOT HERE ON GOOGLE!)
I wanted to know, surely theres some tweaks etc you can perform to get the most out of the camera, but I'm no means a camera nerd and havent got a clue what makes a picture better, apart from MegaPixel and ive been told thats nothing to do with quality, just how big you can blow it up.
Anyone have any tips for improving the HTC One X cam?
**edit** : looked at your link.
I definately agree the HTC One S pictures are alot better. What gives?
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try this HQ Camera Mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1765416
vivek_bhoj said:
try this HQ Camera Mod:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1765416
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Thanks mate, taken a look but I'm not on a custom ROM :/
I think im going to HAVE to root my device soon, once I get over the nerves of no warranty !!
Actually, I do know for sure that this is due to crappy JPEG compression. (You can use a third party app like Camera Zoom FX) But still if it is because of that, and the One S is using the SAME camera and software shouldn't it be about the same?
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hi dudes...i had htc one x 1 month ago...i install any hq mode & other camera app...problem is not just about detail...it`s about pinky shadow...bad color balance..& dark & pink cover over all photos...in low light or outdoor light...there is no mod that can solve it..it`s hardware problem...i have htc one s now..& must say that it`s powerfull cameraphone...& results are same as iphone 4s & xperia s & better than galaxy s2 that hi had last year...
Which phone is better?
Whould i switch to N4 from my HOX?
Or no visible change between the 2 preformance ?
I know the N4's camere is not as good as the HOX's camera.
I'm a HTC fan so my heart's choosing the HOX
But I need some help in it
Hi,
Although I've only had a quick play on the Nexus, I still can't decide which one's better. That tells me that they're almost identical devices, both with their pro's and cons.
I have to say I still love my HOX, I've never had a phone like it. Its so comfy to hold, looks amazing outside and doesn't struggle with any tasks. Your choice is really between providers.
With the N4 your gonna get updates, and pure android (vanilla) whereas your gonna get Sense with HOX.
However you can get rid of sense.
Theres no real performance issues, so reading your post, I'd suggest the HOX for you, as you said your a HTC fan and are already swaying that way.
Both devices are virtually the same age also.
I know this isn't the type of answer your probably expecting, as this isn't a conclusive answer, but then again non of us can tell you, we can advise you.
So yeah, HOX = Smart, Polycarb Uni Body. Sense
N4 = Google, Frequent Updates, Vanilla Android
Hope this helps in some way.
As i looking after the N4:
for N4:
pro:
- Vanilla is rock stable
- Snapdragon is better then Tegra
- 2 gb ram instead of 1
- Google phone, so it's sure to upegardeable
- Better uptime
cont:
- No Sense
- Worst camera
- IPS screen is not as nice as the S-lcd2
And for sure, I love HTC
So I still don't know
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