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Ok there are a lot of questions about Android in a lot of different threads scattered about the forum so I thought I would make this topic.
I've had my G1 for 14 months now, in that time I've seen the upgrade from 1.1 to 1.5 to 1.6. I've rooted my device, installed a whole load of Cyanogen Roms, Hero Roms and Super D Roms. I've even installed Debain on my system.
If anyone has any questions about Android please use this thread and I'll do my best to answer them.
How many applications do you usually find yourself running at once and how much effect does it have on battery life in the real world?
Many. Android doesn't close applications it keeps them in the memory until they need to be removed (ie when more memory is needed).
On the G1 I run anything up to about 20 applications at the same time. It's never effected performance and battery life is fine. You generally find you have to charge the phone at the end of the day after heavy usage but the G1 is known for having poor battery life.
Of course you can use Task Managers etc to increase your battery life but it's not really necessary like certain articles/websites like to make out. I get around 15 hours life on my G1 and that's with sending around on average 20 texts a day, a few phone calls, some game time, surfing the net about an hour a day and going on facebook/twitter regularly over about 4 hours a day (basically anytime I'm in a lecture). I also get 2 hours of music playback via AD2P bluetooth headphones.
I've read about people saying that there is a limit to the amount of apps you can install because everything has to be saved to the ROM. (Assuming you don't root it and install it to the SD card). Do you know if this is true?
what are the advantages n disadvantages of android over the winmo ??
luckypoop said:
I've read about people saying that there is a limit to the amount of apps you can install because everything has to be saved to the ROM. (Assuming you don't root it and install it to the SD card). Do you know if this is true?
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Yes this is true however the Desire has 512mb of space for you to store apps. I've got a 800mb partition on my G1 for Apps2SD and I have around 200 apps installed lol with no problems so 512mb will probably hold quite a few apps.
They're working on getting apps installed to the SD card in the next android release.
cez10 said:
what are the advantages n disadvantages of android over the winmo ??
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That's a broad question, maybe you can be more specific?
Hey brummiesteven, thanks for creating this for Android noobs like me! I've been using WinMo for quite some time. Never played with Android until just a few weeks ago when I tried running Android on my Touch Pro2.
Enough history, on to my questions...
1. Is there a native file explorer? If not, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Any one in particular that is considered the file explorer? (The equivalent of Resco Explorer or Total Commander in WinMo?)
2. I read in that there's no native Office doc (ie, Word, Excel, etc) editor. There's only a viewer. Again, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Recommendations? Does it work as well as the native one in WinMo?
I guess that's it. These are my only concerns about jumping ship to Android. Everything else, I'm going to have a blast figuring out on my own...
ohyeahar said:
Hey brummiesteven, thanks for creating this for Android noobs like me! I've been using WinMo for quite some time. Never played with Android until just a few weeks ago when I tried running Android on my Touch Pro2.
Enough history, on to my questions...
1. Is there a native file explorer? If not, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Any one in particular that is considered the file explorer? (The equivalent of Resco Explorer or Total Commander in WinMo?)
2. I read in that there's no native Office doc (ie, Word, Excel, etc) editor. There's only a viewer. Again, I suppose there are 3rd-party ones. Recommendations? Does it work as well as the native one in WinMo?
I guess that's it. These are my only concerns about jumping ship to Android. Everything else, I'm going to have a blast figuring out on my own...
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1. No native file explorer, I think Astro is generally seen as the best file exporer:
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.metago.astro/
2. Again no native Office. There are quite a few office suites, I don't know which is the best as I have no use for one. Here's one of them though:
http://www.androffice.com/
It will be worth noting that there probably will be a google docs app soon. And you can edit google docs already on android via docs.google.com. There's also a program called GDocs that syncs all your google documents to your handset.
I think the reason why there's no "Native" options for these is because Initially "Stock Android" is aimed at the average customer, they wanted to get the balance right for non tech savy people who just want a phone with apps but also allow the possibility and expansion of turning it into something extremely powerful for someone of the more tech savvy type.
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That's a broad question, maybe you can be more specific?
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umm thought you might say that right let me think
- i've been mainly using symbian and winmo devices for the past years and there was some issues with stability and lag etc. on my old n95 8gb i used to get slow downs when ie had lots of apps installed does that happen on android? lags etc?
- are there any custom roms tweaks or in general droid doesnt really require much work to make it better?
- what about security of droids? as its an open source software it might be easily hacked, accessed by 3rd party users?
thats it so far i probably forgot about other more important things
well thanks anyway
cez10 said:
umm thought you might say that right let me think
- i've been mainly using symbian and winmo devices for the past years and there was some issues with stability and lag etc. on my old n95 8gb i used to get slow downs when ie had lots of apps installed does that happen on android? lags etc?
- are there any custom roms tweaks or in general droid doesnt really require much work to make it better?
- what about security of droids? as its an open source software it might be easily hacked, accessed by 3rd party users?
thats it so far i probably forgot about other more important things
well thanks anyway
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1. Put it this way, I've never experienced any slowdown on my G1 and it has like maybe a 3rd of the spec of the Desire? It is a fast operating system, wont be slowed down by installing a lot of apps but might by by having a lot of apps open but I highly doubt this would ever be a problem on the Desire (as it isn't on my G1).
2. Yes there are custom roms, mostly of different builds. For example the HTC Hero doesn't officialy have 2.1 released but there are already a few 2.1 roms for it on XDA. There will always be a way for devs to increase speed on here... even if it isn't needed speed can always be increased .
3. The only security flaw you would have is if you rooted it, this enables the root account and on a linux system the root account can do things like access system files. Having said this, if you do root the phone, the phone will ask you before it permits anything (program etc) root access. I've never heard of anyone having their phone hacked or anything like that.
I have had my G1 since it came out. Also, I rooted it as soon as that was possible. I have tried/installed over 500 apps and normally have over 100 installed at any given time. I have never had any issue with hacking or security.
That having been said! Recently, I read on an Android site where a group of individuals made an app as an experiment to see if they could access a users data. I believe it was a weather app. A majority of the users (if I remember correctly) didn't read the access rights of the weather app - as it said in the access rights it would have access to the users contacts/data. The app was able to upload user's data/contacts from those who installed the app.
So, MAKE sure you always read any applications access rights prior to installing an application. If the app is requesting access to information within your device that are NOT related to the apps functions - don't install it!
If you do that one thing - you should have nothing to worry about!
@brummiesteven - Didn't mean to highjack your thread. This is a great service you are providing for the new Androidians! Just wanted to remind them (all users) to read those app access rights before installing an application.
Hijacking? Lol don't be silly the more the better
Thanks for answering these questions. This next one is a bit more speculative....
given that winmo 6.5.x is probably going to be the last iteration before WP7S, what are the chances that some kind of emulator will be built to run legacy winmo apps on Android?
would this even be possible?
Hi Steven,
great service
One thing I really liked about my Blackberry, was the ability of customization regarding profiles and the notifications connected to it.
Is it possible to create profiles in Android, like 'Silent', 'Vibrate Only' and maybe one for the office where ringtones and notifications are very silent to avoid waking everyone up at the office
By the way, I recently stumbled over an application called cVolume that seems to enable some customization in that regard.
Is it possible to assign different ringtones for messages, mails, event notifications etc.?
(An example of what I dislike: I actually use a Palm Pre and the launch firmware didn't allow much customization. All notifications (except event reminders), no matter whether new mail, new textmessage used the same ringtone, which also couldn't be changed. That changed thankfully with a later firmware. Profiles are still not supported, you can just switch between 'ringtones on' or 'shut up/vibrate only'. --> Having used a Blackberry before, I felt kinda castrated with that few options of notification-settings )
Thx & Greetz,
69Mws
Sorry, no time to read which questions you have answered! I just copy/past my questions from another thread:
I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.
A few questions to Android users!
How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
XDA mark said:
...How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?
General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?
Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?
Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?
What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?
I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.
Kind regards
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I'm no Android user yet. But I have played with the emulator running on my Touch Pro2. So I can help answer a couple of your questions.
1. Android Market is much more extensive than Windows Marketplace. Remember, it's not the quantity but quality of apps that matters. And quality there appears to be much more quality apps than WinMo. Perhaps veteran Android users can chime in regarding usability by the Desire and installation location.
2. The Android OS is so much more pretty than WinMo. There are fade in/out animations when opening/closing windows. Everything is finger-friendly. The slide-down notifications bar is extremely handy. The ability to fully customize your home screens with shortcuts and widgets is just great.
3. The Android browser is much better than Opera Mobile on WinMo. I think there's Opera Mini in the Android Marketplace. But really, I don't think there's any reason to not use the default browser. It's renders fast and accurately. I can even access my internet banking site which doesn't work on WinMo or iPhone OS.
4. There's plenty of videos of Sense on Android. Check those out and see for yourself. Personally, I think it's great. Completely different than Sense on WinMo. Sense on WinMo is just a Today-screen plugin and enlarged menus. Sense on Android includes the HTC widgets and Leap among other goodies.
5. This is something I want to know too. Most of us know about what's bad about the iPhone OS and WinMo. But what's bad about Android that you'd want changed?
does Android require soft/hard reset every now and then like those damn M$ Windows Phones ?
I asked these in a different section, but thought I would see what Answers I get here, I know some have been answered before.
1. If / when the Desire gets rooted, will the device be permanently rooted or will official updates from HTC "un-root" it?
So hypothetically, I get a Desire and it is rooted, and HTC releases Android 3.0 (for example), would I be able to upgrade to the newer software or would I have to use a "dev" update?
2. Since the hardware between the 2 phones is very similar, what is the chances of current Nexus One modded ROMs (cyanogen, enmother etc) working on a rooted Desire?
3. I imagine the community will be working on rooting the Desire so it can port the shipping version of Sense UI to the Nexus One?
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Thanks
Stu
69mws said:
Hi Steven,
great service
One thing I really liked about my Blackberry, was the ability of customization regarding profiles and the notifications connected to it.
Is it possible to create profiles in Android, like 'Silent', 'Vibrate Only' and maybe one for the office where ringtones and notifications are very silent to avoid waking everyone up at the office
By the way, I recently stumbled over an application called cVolume that seems to enable some customization in that regard.
Is it possible to assign different ringtones for messages, mails, event notifications etc.?
(An example of what I dislike: I actually use a Palm Pre and the launch firmware didn't allow much customization. All notifications (except event reminders), no matter whether new mail, new textmessage used the same ringtone, which also couldn't be changed. That changed thankfully with a later firmware. Profiles are still not supported, you can just switch between 'ringtones on' or 'shut up/vibrate only'. --> Having used a Blackberry before, I felt kinda castrated with that few options of notification-settings )
Thx & Greetz,
69Mws
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There's no option for this initially but the system does allow you to assign different notification tones to different events, eg Email and SMS.
There will be apps that allow you to have "profiles". There's even an app called Locale which is pretty much an automatic profiler, will switch your settings dependant on the time, your location etc. For example, if I'm at Uni it automatically switches my phone to silent for all notifications and vibration only.
CURRENT VERSION NUMBER: 8.0 Beta 4
Hydros Media Center[/CENTER]
Catcher
Are you tired of the same old boring activesync of wmdc for your Windows mobile device? All of us who have used Microsoft’s so-called sync utility know that it’s nothing compared to their Zune software which they have created. Anyway, you’re now in luck. I have finally gotten to the edge of my patience trying to sync up my phone with their software and ive started making my own replacement for it. Currently, Hydros Sync Center supports being used as a normal music player as well as a device sync utility. Due to it being only a beta, you will not be able to transfer files with the phone, but already it is much more user friendly than the old Activesync. All you need to do to install is unzip the package and run the setup.exe installer.
Side Note:
For those of you who don't know what im doing, im trying to make an efficient media player for windows which interacts with windows mobile nicely. As a model, im using many things and features which have been included in Zune Software 4.0. Anyway, I have been working on this alone for a long time and I think it's time to reveal this to the public for some help as well. I would like to post the source code somewhere but im not sure exactly what the process is so please help me on that if you can.
Features so far:
-Settings panel added to beta 4
-View songs on device
-Splash Screen
-Sync With box.net
-Music Library
-Pictures Library
-Apps Bazaar
-Device Support [NEW for Alpha release 4] - you can add and remove songs now
-You can now delete files [New to Alpha release 4] - works now
-WIDGETS [updated interface for beta 4]
Alpha Release 6 - 5/24/10-First ever widget (facebook widget) - lets u chat to facebook within the app
-Fixed the full-screen issue
-Fixed issue of dissappearing songs
DOWNLOAD LINK FOR ALPHA 6: http://www.mediafire.com/?2nlz2yuznhn
Alpha Release 4 - 5/20/10
-Added the ability to add and remove songs in library and device library
-Fixed the comment dialog to show up (it notifies you of any things that are important...like a device being connected)
-Still uses activesync dll so you still need activesync to be installed
(and i cant distribute the dll due to legal issues)
-More stable than before (also faster)
--DOWNLOAD LINK BELOW--
Alpha Release 3 - (5/19/10)-Just added device support (just getting started with it)
-added device song playback
-unfortunately still haven't found a way to connect to device without RAPI (the activesync dll) so it still needs activesync to be atleast installed
-Fixed issues with resolutions under 1333x768 (all over 1024x768 is ok)
-modified the layout of bazaar
-Enjoy!
-Fixed the bug of not having an x button (lol)
*Download link Below*
BIG IDEA I NEED HELP FOR
-In order to keep things away from Microsoft ActiveSync, I need to eliminate the who idea of using RAPI as an interface for communication, so I decided that the easiest other method is to impliment my own thing based on TCP. I tried some stuff with TCP and it's actually quite fast, and it allows WIFI SYNC!!!
-Anyway, the part i need help with is the wired sync. With TCP, i need it to be under a wifi so for those devices without TCP, im not sure how to use the COM port it's recognized as for doing TCP transfers. If you have any other recommendations, please do comment below.
-APP IS CODED IN C# so please do consider that when posting code. I am also familiar with other languages but i would prefer this (anything is welcome though).
THANK YOU
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seems like a good idea, when can we expect a download?
i would love an alternative to activesync, and a good media player.
Hydros
I got a sample running at lg-incite.com
heres the download:
http://uploading.com/files/f43e2e5d/HMC+a3.zip/
This is just an alpha so its not great but it puts my point through....
ill be your tester.
good thing, i have an omnia i910, and it has the same resolution. ill let you know what i find.
edit: check the link, it just takes me to some website called directors cut.
it's uploading.com......it should only take you there. Are you referring to lg-incite.com? it works fine for me. Try to search it in google or something. Im posting the next version here in a day.
That's odd
rkrishnan2012 said:
it's uploading.com......it should only take you there. Are you referring to lg-incite.com? it works fine for me. Try to search it in google or something. Im posting the next version here in a day.
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No, it does take me to uploading.com, but when I hit free download, it takes me off site.
Edit: nevermind I got it working. I just got confused by a redirect. Sorry.
ok, I. got the download working, but I keep getting a message that the setup.exe is an invalid pocket pc application. any ideas?
Oops...
Im sorry. i think you misunderstood me. This app is meant for the computer and it syncs up with the phone....maybe i forgot to say that
Anyway, so far, the player only plays stuff. it doesn't have device support yet. I am releasing a new version tonight which may have device support.
Great to know this!
I´ll be following development
Congrats.
rkrishnan2012 said:
Im sorry. i think you misunderstood me. This app is meant for the computer and it syncs up with the phone....maybe i forgot to say that
Anyway, so far, the player only plays stuff. it doesn't have device support yet. I am releasing a new version tonight which may have device support.
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ohhhhh.... ok, i dont thik i read your post very thouroughly. my bad. ill try it on my pc and let you know what i find.
Edit: i installed the Hydros media center, and i gotta say, it really reminds me of the zune marketplace (which i like). so keep up the good work. a few questions though; is there supposed to be a background image? and am i supposed to install everything in the .zip folder? other than that, the only thing i can notice is that the home button doesnt do anything.
Hydros Media Center Alpha release 3
winmofreak said:
ohhhhh.... ok, i dont thik i read your post very thouroughly. my bad. ill try it on my pc and let you know what i find.
Edit: i installed the Hydros media center, and i gotta say, it really reminds me of the zune marketplace (which i like). so keep up the good work. a few questions though; is there supposed to be a background image? and am i supposed to install everything in the .zip folder? other than that, the only thing i can notice is that the home button doesnt do anything.
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nope. im trying to keep it as simple of a UI as possible so so far, there is no background image but i will make the next version so the user can choose themes and add their own image. I just updated it and it now has device support (very very minimal though) but you can now view stats about your winmo device, and you can view the songs in it.
-Ill post up pics as well in a few mins.
DOWNLOAD IS ATTACHED TO THIS POSTedit: link removed due to a stupid bug ill fix in a min.
EDIT: reposted in the first post.....that was a close one...
Edit: pictures posted as well...enjoy
Flashing a ROM
Is it possible to use this application to Flash my phone like I normally do via Active sync?
how do you flah your phone with activesync? you would need access to firmware...however, you CAN flash your phone (not yet though) but ill add that feature in...
EDIT: can anybody please test and respond if this app works for them? if so ,please post up your system specs...
just posted alpha release 4. check it out now!
Doesn't work it crashes as soon as I launch the app.
OS: Win7 x64
CPU: Intel Core2Duo E7200
Ram: 6gb DDR2
Video: nVidia 9800gt
Chipset: Intel P45
Phone: HTC Rhodium
thanks for the info. i just found that out when i ran on another computer. Ill post up a new version with it fixed in like a day...sorry guys.
rkrishnan2012 said:
thanks for the info. i just found that out when i ran on another computer. Ill post up a new version with it fixed in like a day...sorry guys.
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dont worry take the time u need, looking forward too the day u publish a full release cuz i hate media player and the way it syncs. Make sure it doesnt autosync all songs in library like media player does. Keep up the good work
what type of sync do you want?
here's version 5. please try it and tell me if it works....thanks
i think doubletwist is better
well thats why i want to make this better. Did you get this running yet?
would this work on a samsungjack device or only professional devices with touch screen
So im new to the whole Phone scene, This is my first smartphone.. I know shocking. And of course being a Customizer and moder in everything I dabble in I rooted my Evo and am now scouring the net for useful apps.
So my question is..
What are your favorite/most used apps and how do they save you time?
So far heres my list.
Audio Galaxy - Can stream all my music from my computer. No storage needed.
Apps Organizer - Keeps folders looking sleek and easy to access. Also the most available icons by default.
Last Call Widget - Can just glance at my phone to see who called.
XDA App - Faster than the stock browser.
Android Central Widget - Android news at a glance.
Rom Manager - To obvious there.
Selective Silence - Good White/Black list for vibrate... still searching my options for this type of app. (any suggestions)
Thanks
Dropbox is definitely my favorite time saver. I NEVER have to plug my phone into my computer just to swipe a file! Saves me huge amounts of time Plus I download roms and hacks for other phones and store them on my desktop so when I run into my friends I can quickly download appropriate hacks and bluetooth them on over
If you want to sign up, and it's free, could you use this link? I get 250 MB more storage upon a successful referral (that's another thing I like there)
*NVM* Can't post links (I'm too new) *NVM*
PM me if you want the link to sign up please!
Barcode scanner is another time saver. I hardly use it to scan any actual barcodes at all, but it can read QR codes off webpages as well. So when I want to download an APK while I'm browsing on my desktop, I just bust out my phone and point it at the screen and it does all the hard work! There's 45 and a half apps that do the same function, but this one is my favorite as it has the most minimal UI.
Fast Reboot is definitely one of my most used apps. It's essentially a link that sits in your drawer (or wherever you place it) that does a software version of a reboot upon press. It's great for clearing tons of memory quickly, calming down your Android when it's bugging out with a memory leak, or if you're handing your phone over to someone and you don't want them to hit the back arrow and see that you were on Ebay looking for outfits for your girlfriends Tea-cup chihuahua And did I mention it's literally instantaneous?
Hope it helps!
Thanks ill definitely have to set up the drop box. Always having to SD to the computer is a hassle at times.
Thanks
Sent from my WTF using XDA App
Instructions:
Download Windows Phone Device Manager and launch WPDeviceManager.exe
Plug in your phone, it should detect it automatically, if not click Connect in menu
The first time you connect your phone Windows Phone Device Manager will automatically install TouchXperience
If you want to be part of the beta team, you must make a donation to http://www.touchxperience.com/ http://www.touchxperience.com/ directly and create an account on their http://forum.touchxperience.com/. Then post a DM to Schaps with the donation number. Schaps will add you to the beta team quickly.
Requirements:
Unlocked/registred Windows Phone 7.5 device
Windows Vista or Windows 7 32/64-bit
.NET Framework 4.0
Zune software 4.8 or later
Zune WMDU (optional)
Windows Phone SDK 7.1 or later
It should work on any version of WP7 and has been tested on the following devices:
HTC HD7, HTC 7 Mozart, HTC 7 Trophy, HTC 7 Surround, HTC 7 Pro, HTC Arrive, HTC HD2, HTC TITAN, HTC Radar, Samsung Focus, Samsung Focus S, Samsung Omnia 7, Dell Venue Pro, LG Optimus 7, LG E900, LG C900, Nokia Lumia 800.
The latest version of TouchXperience is 2.5.0.0
If you want the lastest features you should try the beta which is reserved for donnator (beta tester group)
Changelog:
Version 1.10.0.0
Compatible with Windows 8
Minor UI changes
Bugfixes
Code:
Version 1.9.0.0
[LIST]
[*]Improved remote screen (up to 30 fps)
[*]Improved general stability
[*]Fixed app backup error on unlocked devices
[*]Fixed screen capture not working because of background agent memory limitation
[*]Files put in \My Documents are copied in Office hub for all devices
[*]Bugfixes
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Version 1.8.0.0
[LIST]
[*]Public release
[*]Full access to apps isolated storage
[*]Show toast notification when an action requires to launch TouchXperience
[*]Bugfixes
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Version 1.7.0.0
[LIST]
[*]Full support of Windows Phone 7.5
[*]Added support of Nokia Lumia 800, Samsung Focus S, HTC TITAN & Radar
[*]Improved connection
[*]Auto detect OS and version when phone is plugged in
[*]Warning when trying to install an app using interop services on an interop-locked phone
[*]Supports Mango ringtones API
[*]Show toast notification when the phone is connected or disconnected
[*]Show toast notification once an app has been installed
[*]Automatically check for TouchXperience updates
[*]Bugfixes
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Version 1.6.0.0
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[*]Check whether phone is PIN-locked or screen-locked
[*]Ability to change remote screen resolution & quality
[*]Full screen mode in screen capture
[*]Display battery remaining charging time
[*]Notify when battery is fully charged
[*]Automatically disable Zune launcher while running
[*]Fixed crash when Windows Phone Developer Tools are not installed
[*]Improved progress dialogs
[*]Improved general stability
[*]"Maybe" fixed FS access on LG devices
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Version 1.4.0.0
[LIST]
[*]Backup/restore documents & apps data
[*]Improved connection reliability
[*]Improved transfer of large files
[*]Improved connection over Wi-Fi
[*]Fixed some connection issues
[*]Fixed "Newer version required" error message
[*]Allow to manually connect by entering computer IP address
[*]Allow to change ports on device
[*]Automatically add rules to Windows Firewall
[*]Show progress while retrieving app info
[*]Sortable app list (by name, size, install date,...)
[*]Sortable file list (by name, size, date modified,...)
[*]Save UI state on exit
[*]Display ROM modules and ROM files in blue/dark blue
[*]Open apps install & data folders directly from app list
[*]Send sounds (in the same way you send ringtones, to customize sounds in Advanced Config.)
[*]Support of Mango developer tools beta
[*]Fixed localization issues
[*]Improved debugging
[*]Automatically check for Device Manager & TouchXperience updates
[*]Hundreds of improvements and bugfixes
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Version 1.3.0.0
[LIST]
[*]Public release
[*]Documents and favorites sync (1-way only from PC to phone)
[*]Improved file explorer
[*]Added option to reconfigure and restore default settings
[*]Supports file copy to \Windows for LG devices (untested)
[*]Fixed screenshot saving
[*]Fixed control panel task links
[*]Fixed localization issues
[*]Many other bug fixes
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Version 1.2.0.0
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[*]Fully featured file explorer & integration with Windows Explorer
[*]Support of copy/paste and drag & drop
[*]Support of HTC Arrive
[*]Install mutiple apps at once
[*]Send multiple files at once
[*]Send toast notifications from PC (with command line WPDeviceManager /SendToast "message")
[*]Launch in background at Windows startup
[*]Improved connection reliability
[*]Fixed connection issues
[*]Fixed missing toolbar in file explorer
[*]Fixed error after taking a secong screenshot
[*]Fixed application list not showing in some cases
[*]Fixed duplicate tasks in jumplist
[*]Fixed Connect/Disconnect not working in jumplist
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Version 1.1.0.0
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[*]Improved Windows explorer integration (display apps icons and info)
[*]Control panel integration
[*]Application updates notifications
[*]New custom installer solving issues for both 32-bit & 64-bit
[*]Send notes
[*]Send clipboard content
[*]Detailed device info
[*]Check for app updates
[*]Auto update for future TouchXperience versions
[*]Improved connection reliability over Wi-Fi
[*]Launch apps from WP Device Manager via Wi-Fi
[*]Multilanguage support
[*]Fixed links in Windows Device Stage
[*]Fixed connection problems on 32-bit when Zune is not running
[*]Fixed Samsung Focus not recognized
[*]Automatically remove max apps installed limit
[*]Sound notification on connect
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Version 1.0.3.0
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[*]Device Information (partial)
[*]Capture phone screen (TouchXperience must be running on the device in order to take screenshots)
[*]Open weblink on phone
[*]Add web favorite to phone
[*]Managing purchased apps (HTC only)
[*]A lot of bugfixes
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Version 1.0.2.0
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[*]File Explorer
[*]Improved performance and reliability
[*]A lot of bugfixes
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Download link : http://www.touchxperience.com/apps/TouchXperience_2.5.0.0.xap
http://www.touchxperience.com/downloads/WPDeviceManager.exe
http://www.touchxperience.com/advanced-configuration-tool/
Official support forum : http://forum.touchxperience.com/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=5126180dab8ba8a73227b40c08899c72
Don't ask for release date, just be patient and wait for it.
This thread is only here to show which features are going to be in final version which can be free or a paid version, i just don't know yet.
Source :
http://forum.touchxperience.com/
http://twitter.com/#!/touchxperience
https://www.facebook.com/touchxperience
Hints: PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
Windows Phone Device Manager features:
Applications management: view, install/uninstall & update applications
File management: explore device, exchange files with your phone
Sync files, folders and favorites with phone
Send to Windows Phone (to send files, apps, ringtones, web links in one click)
Detailed device information (CPU, ROM, RAM, storage, network, battery, OS,...)
Detailed storage information
Add and manage custom ringtones
Send SMS, E-mail, notes directly from PC (without needing cloud services)
Remote screen view and take screenshots of the phone
Backup/restore files and application data
Create and manage backup/restore of the phone
Full access to apps isolated storage
Programming sends notifications to phone
Shared clipboard with PC and phone
Integration with Windows explorer (drag & drop, copy/paste)
Integration with Control Panel (Device Stage, task links)
Nice integration with Windows Vista/7 (jumplists, widgets, aero effects,...)
View apps icons and details from XAP in Windows explorer
Initiate connection from PC or phone
Wireless connection support
Auto pairing (no need to enter PC or phone IP address)
Notify phone applications updates
Display battery remaining charging time and notify when battery is fully charged
Reboot phone (OS/SLDR/Cold boot)
Open marketplace for non-commercial applications (if developers are interested)
TouchXperience for Windows Phone features:
Create custom menus
Add folders, apps, contacts, websites, maps, documents, and many other widgets
Pin apps, folders and any other stuffs to Start screen
Organize applications & games
File explorer
Multitasking support
TouchXperience port taking benefit from Metro UI
Background customization
Contact manager
Communication manager
You can initiate connection from both PC and device (tap PC Synchronization in TouchXperience to etablish connection from device). You can connect via USB or Wi-Fi, but the first time you have to connect via USB so WP Device Manager can deploy TouchXperience and your device can get your PC IP address.
In the current version you can't manually set the PC or phone IP address to connect, or change default ports.
Make sure port 8007 is not blocked by firewall on PC and port 8107 is reachable on device.
When WP Device Manager initiate a connection and can't connect to the phone, in case you are connected via USB it will launch TouchXperience, in other cases it will send a push notification to your phone asking you to manually launch TouchXperience
Some tasks requires your phone screen to be unlocked
It is not necessary to have Zune runing in order to use WP Device Manager.
If WP Device Manager does not start at all, make sure you installed all the requirements and try to reinstall full .NET Framework 4.0 and developer tools.
If you are not able to connect or if some features are not properly working, go to Settings in WP Device Manager, click Restore default settings and eventually restart your PC.
If Windows Phone Device Manager is not able to communicate with TouchXperience, go to Settings in WP Device Manager, click Restore default settings and restart your PC. Try to temporarly disable your anti-virus or firewall programs to see if that's the problem. You can also try the registry fix in attachment
If you have connection problems, try the following may help: unplug/replug your phone, close or start Zune, restart WP Device Manager, make sure your device is detected by Zune, in worst case restart your PC.
WP Device Manager or some components of it may be considered as potential threat by anti-virus or firewall programs, this is a false alarm, you may need to add exceptions to your anti-virus or firewall may prevent WP Device Manager from working correctly.
WP Device Manger is automatically disconnected when you quit TouchXperience (for example when you launch an app or return to Start screen). This is not a bug, this is because TouchXperience is stopped due to the lack of native multitasking in WP7. To workaround you can enable multitasking in TouchXperience settings.
Tap on a menu title in TouchXperience and the main menu will show up
If you want to take screenshots of an other application on the phone you need to enable multitasking in TouchXperience settings
Some features needing high privileges on the phone (f.e. file system access) may not be available, this depends on the unlock level of your phone.
Applications installed with other tools than WP Device Manager are not recognized (they are identified by their id) on non-HTC device. To solve the problem you can simply browse your original XAP files, application info will be automatically cached and diplayed in the app manager.
If only sideloaded applications are displayed it's because your phone does not have full file system access.
Some application versions are incorrect. This is due to the fact that some developers does not update their application manifest with correct version number when they release new versions. To fix the problem you can check for app updates and click on Dismiss All assuming all your applicatons have been updated to their latest version.
You can't copy most of DLL and EXE in \Windows directory, this is simply because these are not files but modules.
You can check TouchXperience version in Settings or in WP Device Manager application list.
You should have a folder with device name in My Documents on your PC, place here the files you want to sync with the phone.
You can send toast notifications from any program on your PC using command line C:\Windows\WPDeviceManager\WPDeviceManager.exe /SendToast "message".
In order to use WP Device Manager from Windows Device Stage, you must have Windows 7 and driver signature verification disabled, unfortunately this is because Windows 7 recognize only digitally signed drivers.
Be carefull when using device restoration, incorrect usage or unexpected bugs may cause loss of data.
Don't use full backup/restore feature on custom ROMS!
If you get a message "Unable to launch TouchXperience" on custom ROMS it's because the ROM has some missing components, so you have to launch it manually.
Please uninstall any previously installed version of WP Device Manager and TouchXperience on your phone.
This beta is private for testing purpose, you are not allowed to redistribute it.
VIDEOS démo
Screenshots : http://www.flickr.com/photos/touchxperience/sets/72157625661986819/
Awesome, will we be able to backup and restore with this?
From what I have seen @ WPpoweruser, only sending sms works?... I guess it will take long for a public version...
awesome!
no questions asked, I am looking in the TX supporters forum for it and don't seem to find it oh well guess I will wait anxiously great job.
bippolinno said:
I agree, nice interface, nothing inside, wait another month for what???
The really solution for people looking for taking full control on phone 7, will come from another developer, sometime, I assume!!
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Ok I understand that sometimes Shaps shouldn't ad us too early and make us wait long to finally release tools who are not complet, at the risk to disappoint us.
But remember DFT make us wait 4 month before they release magldr.
WP7 is a new OS,there is still lot of work to do. Everyone here have a life, maybe a work, a wife and some kids behind the screen.
People like shaps are doing the best they can, and just for this don't blame it.
If you don't like his work, log off this topic.
pittphan said:
All I am saying is why post this thread? Does the OP just want to taunt those that don't have the tool?
Really, you "just wanted to post updates on the Beta Testing" that everyone else is not privy too?
That is what's weak! Not Julien's work. He's doing real work! This thread is useless!!!!
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The goal of xda developers is to post information regarding development. That includes development in alpha, beta, closed or open. How in the heck is this different than any of the launchers in android that haven't been released, the programs users are developing for wp7, or any sort of development not released?
xda is information and a place where users and develop interact to find solutions to common problems, where users can become developers, and inform users of development for their xda/samsung/wp/android device.
So why does this thread exist? it's x - d - fricking a! That's why! So if you have a problem with imfloflo (moderator) posting this topic, take it up to PM and don't clutter the topic of what you feel doesn't need to be here.
And yes that's what's WRONG with xda
@OP
If you are planning to release a free/lite version please let me know when it´s available for public, I may write about it
Guys please keep this thread on topic. Anymore arguments and such after this post will result in infractions, anymore after that, I will have to talk to the senior mods about handing out temporary bans. Please stop pestering the OP about when, and how the app release will be executed. It will be released when its ready. You don't take bread out of the oven 10 min before it is ready just because you are hungry, you take it out when its ready. Same goes for software development. So please be patient!
~~Tito~~
@OP Just get me on gtalk when you have problems, you know where to get my id.
@orb3000 i'm not the developers of this, you can find more information on the http://www.facebook.com/touchxperience page or on the official forum http://forum.touchxperience.com/
I think this apps will be free when final version comes.
Been following Schap's devving for some time now and gotta say its looking good
I fail to see what is wrong with this thread and i would suggest for all those people who are flaming/trolling/moaning that they consider what XDA-DEVS is actually all about; that being a developer forum
Now hopefully i dont need to explain myself any further and therefore i would respectfully request that you please review our rules for avoidance of doubt. If the whinging continues infractions will be issued.
Many thanks for your understanding, if any of you wish to discuss this any further then please feel free to PM me and NOT clutter this thread.
Regards and enjoy your weekend,
Tim.
slow veer on topic new beta released fixed quite a few issues for 64 bit users. Install directory has changed, program seems ot have optimized a bit (like I can see file explorer even if it is nothing there)
otherwise still development is churning nicely
hi guy's
there is a first preview on WPDM ...
enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAgd-iTBlGs&feature=player_detailpage
This is EPIC. I have been following this and just EPIC. Everything I could dream of for a Windows Phone 7 sync app. This should of been the product Microsoft released with Windows Phone 7 (accept for the unlocks/file access of course).
Just wanted to say, keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing and using this program... Still in WOW...
Update to version 1.1.0.0
i got it..
its more stable than 1030 version.
and for me is working fine
on win7 64 and htc hd7 tmo
Bummerten said:
Does this work with the Nodo build?
Just updated my Trophy Rom, without knowing im unable to unlock it again
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no at the moment doesn't work with Nodo, infact shaps said "don't upgrade to Nodo"
A bit off topic, but what would you consider a fair donation? I'm not a rich man in fact i'm very poor but would like to contribute and test this app without offending with a too small donation.
imfloflo said:
Update to version 1.1.0.0
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Thanks for the info m8...
ShaGGy_UK said:
A bit off topic, but what would you consider a fair donation? I'm not a rich man in fact i'm very poor but would like to contribute and test this app without offending with a too small donation.
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I gave him 5€ and add a little message to explain my reasons and i was added to beta test program few days after.
EDIT: Found a faster and cleaner way!
You guys who run tablets that have uber tiny amounts of storage (e.g. 32gb dell venue 8 pro) might want to do this as it will free up space used by apps that you probably don't even touch. You can always just install any you want to keep from the Windows store, but personally I think 8 apps are all crap (except Netflix.)
Click start > type 'powershell' (no quotes) > press ctrl+shift+enter > (say yes if it asks)
Type the following:
Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online
Get-AppXPackage | Remove-AppxPackage
Tada! No more useless built in Windows apps taking up disk space, and new user accounts don't start with a cluttered start menu.
If you're like me and you keep an autoconfigure batch script for new installations, you can accomplish the above with the following lines:
powershell -Command "Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online"
powershell -Command "Get-AppXPackage | Remove-AppxPackage"
Guessing this works with RT as well, but it's a sad OS that I wouldn't ever buy, so I can't test.
(Old post sticking around for archival purposes)
I never use these things. I don't like apps that force full screen when it is really unnecessary. I guess it makes sense for a touch screen, but for a desktop this is downright stupid, especially when you have a big monitor and like working with multiple things at once. Anyways, I noticed that these take up a gig of space, and I am on an SSD, so space is precious. Sadly, uninstalling them from the start menu doesn't actually delete them, in fact it's really no different at all from using the unpin from start option.
Simply navigating to that folder to delete them doesn't work. First you'll claim ownership via the UI, and then it will at least let you browse the folder. I tried taking it a step further and using the universal "take all" method from an admin prompt:
d:\windows\program files\> icacls windowsapps\* /T /C /Grant UsersOI)(CI)(MA)
It failed. So I figured, let's try rebooting to the command console and do the same thing. Success! Well, not really.
If you type del windowsapps, it pretends to delete them, but it doesn't actually do so. Microsoft is clever, they really went out of their way to make sure you keep them and like them! So I took it a step further, I tried the same thing from WinPE by booting from the install disk, hitting the repair button, and navigating to the command shell. Same result as above. Microsoft REALLY wants to make sure they remain intact.
Fortunately though, I have an ace up my sleeve. I booted a linux ISO, mounted the partition, and did an rm -rf WindowsApps, and lo and behold, its gone! You see, linux doesn't really care if you keep metro apps, it just does whatever you tell it to.
By the way, I did this inside of a VM just to make sure that it doesn't break anything, and so far, it doesn't appear to do so. The apps still remain in the start menu (if you didn't unpin them) but launching them just returns right back to the start menu. No worries, just unpin them and it will stay out of sight and out of mind.
Something confuses me though...the live tiles for these apps still actually work. At least, the live tiles for news, finance, and travel still work, but launching the app just drops you back to the start menu. My guess is that the live tile portion of the app runs in another process. Somebody who is more familiar with WinRT could chime in here. Also, the useless windows store and some important things like the desktop app and the "pc settings" app (aka metro control panel) remains intact, so no issues there.
Anyways, I'd like to figure out a way to delete these while windows is still running, that way I can automate doing so when I install windows. Any ideas? My current thought is to remove them from the install.wim, but it's kind of a PITA and often something goes wrong when I try to muck with that.
Thanks for the info. I won't be able to do the research until the weekend, but in searching for windows 8 (non-Microsoft) themes, I found info on a program (I hate that all of a sudden all programs are being called 'apps') which lets you take (for real) ownership if system files. The info where I ran into it's usage was because Windows 7 and 8 need either hacked system files (guess having a hacked 7 with legit license was a great idea) or a special program to load a custom theme.
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Out of curiosity, what built-in apps did you find to be un-deleteable? Removing the built-in apps that I didn't use (Finance, News, etc.) was easy; just right-click or flick downward (to select the tile) then select Uninstall. Leftover files in the WindowsApps dir could be removed.
GoodDayToDie said:
Out of curiosity, what built-in apps did you find to be un-deleteable? Removing the built-in apps that I didn't use (Finance, News, etc.) was easy; just right-click or flick downward (to select the tile) then select Uninstall. Leftover files in the WindowsApps dir could be removed.
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The built in apps that it places on the start menu when you first log in to Windows 8. It prevents you from deleting them, because then new accounts won't see the apps, and it forces them on to the start menu by default.
You can delete them from Start easily enough, if for some reason you find their presence there offensive. You can also delete the updated versions from the device. The basline (1.2) versions are, I assume, what you are complaining about... meh. If you want to bang your head against this, go ahead. I get what you're asking for now, though I really don't understand why. Besides, full-screen or not, some of the "Metro" apps are pretty good, especially a few of the games (which are frequently FS anyhow). It's worth keeping the store around for free game downloads IMO... but I think we've already established that our opinions differ on how to use Win8.
GoodDayToDie said:
You can delete them from Start easily enough, if for some reason you find their presence there offensive. You can also delete the updated versions from the device. The basline (1.2) versions are, I assume, what you are complaining about... meh. If you want to bang your head against this, go ahead. I get what you're asking for now, though I really don't understand why. Besides, full-screen or not, some of the "Metro" apps are pretty good, especially a few of the games (which are frequently FS anyhow). It's worth keeping the store around for free game downloads IMO... but I think we've already established that our opinions differ on how to use Win8.
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You're thinking of using the "uninstall" option from the start menu. That does NOT delete them, it just removes all references to them. They still reside on the hard disk and consume disk space. On my 120GB SSD on my laptop, every gig counts. Why leave them there when they are doing nothing at all? No banging your head involved, just boot up linux, rm -rf WinApps, problem solved.
Anyways, last I checked there were approximately zero AAA titles in the windows store. In fact, I've yet to see any windows app do anything that can't already be done better in a web browser. I'm not particularly impressed with solitaire collection, pinball, toy soldiers...and ooh mahjong, the game to end all games. The only one even remotely interesting is hydro thunder, in which case they ought to call it Retro instead of Metro.
Rakeesh_j said:
I never use these things. I don't like apps that force full screen when it is really unnecessary. I guess it makes sense for a touch screen, but for a desktop this is downright stupid, especially when you have a big monitor and like working with multiple things at once. Anyways, I noticed that these take up a gig of space, and I am on an SSD, so space is precious. Sadly, uninstalling them from the start menu doesn't actually delete them, in fact it's really no different at all from using the unpin from start option.
Simply navigating to that folder to delete them doesn't work. First you'll claim ownership via the UI, and then it will at least let you browse the folder. I tried taking it a step further and using the universal "take all" method from an admin prompt:
d:\windows\program files\> icacls windowsapps\* /T /C /Grant UsersOI)(CI)(MA)
It failed. So I figured, let's try rebooting to the command console and do the same thing. Success! Well, not really.
If you type del windowsapps, it pretends to delete them, but it doesn't actually do so. Microsoft is clever, they really went out of their way to make sure you keep them and like them! So I took it a step further, I tried the same thing from WinPE by booting from the install disk, hitting the repair button, and navigating to the command shell. Same result as above. Microsoft REALLY wants to make sure they remain intact.
Fortunately though, I have an ace up my sleeve. I booted a linux ISO, mounted the partition, and did an rm -rf WindowsApps, and lo and behold, its gone! You see, linux doesn't really care if you keep metro apps, it just does whatever you tell it to.
By the way, I did this inside of a VM just to make sure that it doesn't break anything, and so far, it doesn't appear to do so. The apps still remain in the start menu (if you didn't unpin them) but launching them just returns right back to the start menu. No worries, just unpin them and it will stay out of sight and out of mind.
Something confuses me though...the live tiles for these apps still actually work. At least, the live tiles for news, finance, and travel still work, but launching the app just drops you back to the start menu. My guess is that the live tile portion of the app runs in another process. Somebody who is more familiar with WinRT could chime in here. Also, the useless windows store and some important things like the desktop app and the "pc settings" app (aka metro control panel) remains intact, so no issues there.
Anyways, I'd like to figure out a way to delete these while windows is still running, that way I can automate doing so when I install windows. Any ideas? My current thought is to remove them from the install.wim, but it's kind of a PITA and often something goes wrong when I try to muck with that.
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If you want to remove them from a windows install image
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/37039-Remove-Metro-appz-and-default-associations-to-them
phailyoor said:
If you want to remove them from a windows install image
http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/37039-Remove-Metro-appz-and-default-associations-to-them
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Awesome, thanks!
You could had taken ownership of the WindowsApps folder and delete it, that's what I did.
Rakeesh_j said:
You're thinking of using the "uninstall" option from the start menu. That does NOT delete them, it just removes all references to them. They still reside on the hard disk and consume disk space. On my 120GB SSD on my laptop, every gig counts. Why leave them there when they are doing nothing at all? No banging your head involved, just boot up linux, rm -rf WinApps, problem solved.
Anyways, last I checked there were approximately zero AAA titles in the windows store. In fact, I've yet to see any windows app do anything that can't already be done better in a web browser. I'm not particularly impressed with solitaire collection, pinball, toy soldiers...and ooh mahjong, the game to end all games. The only one even remotely interesting is hydro thunder, in which case they ought to call it Retro instead of Metro.
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Oh, so a game is only good if it has AAA backing?
Konstantinos said:
You could had taken ownership of the WindowsApps folder and delete it, that's what I did.
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I tried that, even used some command line stuff that break all file locks and ensure that the current user has full control over the files. It would let you delete them, even go through and say it deleted them, but when you look in the directory again, they are still there.
link68759 said:
Oh, so a game is only good if it has AAA backing?
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No. My current favorites are both indie titles, and are not AAA. Those being Natural-Selection 2, and League of Legends.
For Google Chrome, there are MORE and BETTER games than in the Windows store, and to a lesser extent, Firefox as well. Yep, web browsers have better games than the Windows store.
Every single game in the windows store is either old or just plain crap. I played Angry Birds on a CELL PHONE over a YEAR ago. These are all casual games, not games that you sit down for a marathon session to play. If the windows store is your idea of a good place to get games, then I dare you to go to your friends and say "Hey guys, let's all go to my house and play some reversi and then some tick tack toe!" and see what kind of reaction you get. Or how about one better, ask them to bring their PC's over for a windows 8 lan party, I'm sure they'll get right on that one.
The two games I listed above are legit desktop titles. Windows 8 games are not. In fact, as I've said numerous times, there isn't a single windows store app that does anything that isn't already done better in a browser.
So I'm doing the ol' nuclear option of a reformat for the windows 8.1 update, and I just updated OP to include some new info I found (Maybe common knowledge at this point after 18 months of futzing around with 8? Who knows, just something I discovered on my own a few minutes ago while tinkering with powershell.)
Really neat and really clean compared to the other way.
I use Embedded edition that doesn't include preinstalled metro apps (only IE, skydrive and photo viewer are included)
441Excelsior said:
I use Embedded edition that doesn't include preinstalled metro apps (only IE, skydrive and photo viewer are included)
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windows embedded is not windows 8...
windows 8.1 Embedded Industry Pro is the same as Windows 8.1 Pro
here is screen of my desktop
441Excelsior said:
I use Embedded edition that doesn't include preinstalled metro apps (only IE, skydrive and photo viewer are included)
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That's effectively what you get when you run the two commands I listed. For whatever reason, skydrive and photo viewer aren't possible to remove. In fact they don't even appear to reside in the WindowsApps folder...I'm not even sure where they reside.
ok but true reason why I use embedded edition is that I got free product key from MS DreamSpark