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30,000 Apps on the Andriod Market - Where?

I read in a few places that there are now over 30,000 Andriod Apps on the Android Market, but I don't see them here: http://www.android.com/market/
By my count there are exactly 34 paid apps and 134 free apps...
Am I missing something?

Maybe they show up when browsing from your mobile

you can access from your android mobile, or use http://www.cyrket.com/m/android/

This one is also nice. Easy to search and find the apps/games you need and just Barcode Scan them to install into you phone....
http://uk.androlib.com/
/Dudeldei

I think http://www.appstorehq.com/android-apps is very good. You can download or buy the app directly from the website, from your phone.

Andaho said:
I read in a few places that there are now over 30,000 Andriod Apps on the Android Market, but I don't see them here: http://www.android.com/market/
By my count there are exactly 34 paid apps and 134 free apps...
Am I missing something?
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android.com/market doesn't show all the apps... stupid I know
You need to use something like cyrket.com or androidlib to view all the apps on a PC.

Ha, I was wondering the same thing as the OP- will have to bookmark the links.
Just on a side note: what's the general procedure of downloading/installing apps from a PC (or for that matter on the device)?

sh500 said:
Ha, I was wondering the same thing as the OP- will have to bookmark the links.
Just on a side note: what's the general procedure of downloading/installing apps from a PC (or for that matter on the device)?
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If you download a application to your PC, you'll have to transfer it to your phone. Either by copying it to your SD card, or by other means. You then have to install it via a file manager like Linda, ASTRO or similar.
If you use the Android Market on your phone, you just find a program, select install and voila.

Thanks for that.
Need to have the device in my hand to really find out things about it and more importantly to me, how it's done differently than on a WinMo device!

Hi,
I just found this when visiting AndroidCentral.com:
http://www.androidcentral.com/app-overload-take-control-android-market-app-brain
With the seer number of apps (30K), I think it is a very nice tool/website to filter out junk apps!
I thought it worth to share

Hi,
I was just wondering are any of the game apps as good as the Iphone. There are many good games but what I have seen so far on android some games look taccy and kind of old.
I have not searched a lot of games. But what are the best games?

I am struggling with this too.
I've become so used to the quality of design, look and function of iPhone apps and their appstore. I am keen to move to the HTC Desire shortly, but am finding it nigh on impossible to even find the spps I will require. I spend ages searching and still come oup with stuff which looks like it was written for a PC 20 years ago. And the recommended sites to browse the apps on are so ugly and full of dross, but more importantly, are unable to present the applications in a way which gives me any confidence that I will be able to satisfy my requirements using this platform.
I thought it must just be me as I am new to it (although I had none of these problems when I moved to iPhone) so asked for pointers. but I am still at a loss as to where the good, well-designed, modern, slick apps are.
I believe the Desire will give me a great comms experience out of the box, but no-one has been able to convince me that the apps I may desire to customise the device to me requirements are actually available.
Please dont think I am having a go; I am not. I am dead keen to move to this platform, but my research is not delivering results so far.
So I ask again, where is the good stuff?

XDAgeek said:
I am struggling with this too.
I've become so used to the quality of design, look and function of iPhone apps and their appstore. I am keen to move to the HTC Desire shortly, but am finding it nigh on impossible to even find the spps I will require. I spend ages searching and still come oup with stuff which looks like it was written for a PC 20 years ago. And the recommended sites to browse the apps on are so ugly and full of dross, but more importantly, are unable to present the applications in a way which gives me any confidence that I will be able to satisfy my requirements using this platform.
I thought it must just be me as I am new to it (although I had none of these problems when I moved to iPhone) so asked for pointers. but I am still at a loss as to where the good, well-designed, modern, slick apps are.
I believe the Desire will give me a great comms experience out of the box, but no-one has been able to convince me that the apps I may desire to customise the device to me requirements are actually available.
Please dont think I am having a go; I am not. I am dead keen to move to this platform, but my research is not delivering results so far.
So I ask again, where is the good stuff?
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The Good stuff is in the market. To find the good stuff you need to search in the market on your phone or via cyrket.com
If you give a list of apps I'll more than hapily find ones that are as good as or better than iPhone equivalents.

I've been trying Cyrket.com but it doesnt seem to work properly for me. All I did was filter for navigation tools and it came up with a blank.

As for a list of required apps,
- Exchange Tasks (with push sync)
- Compass
- London Tube map/planner
- Tide Planner for sailing
- Office apps - Word, Spreadsheet, Powerpoint editing
- Decent dictionary/thesaurus - such as Chambers
- and some quality games with good graphics
That'll do for starters

Android really got it's start as a device platform for the more tech savvy.
Most of the first year's worth of apps were written by developers venturing into the Android app environment. As such - most were pretty rudimentary and more focused on performance (learning how to make an app work well in the Android environment) than aesthetics. Also, there were many more apps made for productivity, communication, etc and very few made for Gaming (as Gaming development is normally a LOT more involved). Finally, the G1 which for a LONG time was the only device available was so memory constricted that many custom home screen apps had difficulty running - MUCH LESS any graphically oriented game. It was a learning experience.
AND, one cannot say (as I have read many claim) that Android is just Linux on a phone so what is the big deal development wise.... I have read this forum a LOT and Android IS NOT just Linux on a phone. There are a lot of differences and a lot more restrictions with Android.
Believe it or not... The Android app scene is constantly improving. Better looking games and more polished apps are constantly coming out.
Please don't try to compare the Android apps available to the Iphone which has had over three years to improve and started out with a better device in the first place.
I really dislike the Iphone and feel it's GUI is not intuitive at all (for me). So, I never really used one at length. But, I have seen some really great games on the Iphone. However, I can definitely say - I ENVY the Iphone devs a great starter phone for development! I only wish that Google/Android had put out a really great device (not memory restricted) as a first device. It would have made it so much easier for the developers to learn and work on.
Try AppBrain.com to search for apps. That is the site I use now. They also have a companion app for the phone.

Thanks for that historical viewpoint.
The interesting thing is that I actually dont 'NEED' to add many 3rd party apps to the Desire spec in order to fill my requirements as the out-of-box experience is so good. I have over 130 apps on my iPhone, but I probably use 10 of them regularly - the rest are just a bit of fun.
At present I am just trying to assimilate what apps are available that I know I will need, and how good the quality is.
Are any of the better 3rd party apps emulating the style of the SENSE UI? That would be cool.

XDAgeek said:
As for a list of required apps,
- Exchange Tasks (with push sync)
- Compass
- London Tube map/planner
- Tide Planner for sailing
- Office apps - Word, Spreadsheet, Powerpoint editing
- Decent dictionary/thesaurus - such as Chambers
- and some quality games with good graphics
That'll do for starters
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This took me 2 minutes on cyrket.com
- Exchange
Am not going to bother searching, htc sense gives exchange functions
- Compass
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.mob4.compassPro/
- Tube
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.presselite.londontube/
- Tides
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.atlantistech.android.tideapp/
- Office
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/android.androffice/
- Dictionary
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/org.freedictionary/
- Games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LEjO9DGppo
http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/google-android/articles/62882.aspx

brummiesteven said:
This took me 2 minutes on cyrket.com
- Exchange
Am not going to bother searching, htc sense gives exchange functions
- Compass
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.mob4.compassPro/
- Tube
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.presselite.londontube/
- Tides
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.atlantistech.android.tideapp/
- Office
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/android.androffice/
- Dictionary
http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/org.freedictionary/
- Games
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LEjO9DGppo
http://www.brighthub.com/mobile/google-android/articles/62882.aspx
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impressive games
why still I have a WM

Thanks for the list of apps. Some good stuff in there!
Re the Exchange on Desire, the reason I included this in my request was that all my research indicates that the Exchange implementation does not include Tasks.
I could use Moxier Mail which includes task exchange sync, but that may compromise the integration with the rest of the Sense UI, so I am looking for a good Task app with exchange sync, perhaps using WebDav.
It would be great if Tasks was included in the Sense interface as standard, but so often Tasks are omitted. Baffles me why they leave it out - same on iPhone.

Thinking of switching over to the Desire from WinMo

Hi Everyone,
I am seriously thinking about switching over to the Desire and Android but I have absolutely no clue about Android and my experience is only with Palm OS and WinMo.
Can anyone out there give me their experiences and advice about switching over to Android. How is it different from WinMo. How difficult is it to get apps (this is one reason I am hesitating, I have so many WinMo apps).
Is it an easy system to use, etc. I would welcome any feedback you have. Thanks!!!

Before the Desire, my last 3 devices were Windows Mobile (ie, Touch Dual, Touch Diamond, Touch Pro2).
The jump to Android has been a godsend for me. I no longer have to worry about RAM usage. Everything is finger optimized and there's plenty of eye-candy. Performance has been top notched. This last statement may vary from user to user but my Desire has been able to do everything my Touch Pro2 can do; it just does everything faster and prettier.
There are several things that Windows Mobile has over Android at this moment though. So you should put these into consideration.
-Exchange support. You can sync email, contacts, and calendar in Android. But not notes and tasks. (There's no native notes and tasks applications)
-Microsoft Office. You can view Office files but you'll need to spend some money if you want the ability to edit. (Docs-to-go cost me USD10 and it's quite worth it.)

Thanks for the initial thoughts. It helps.
How are the apps out there for Android? Are they limited because it is a new OS or is there a wide range?
Do you happen to know what Navi programs are compatible?

I have recently switched over from a touch hd and i have to say i am loving the desire and android. It's very obviously better adapted to finger use and a smartphone, it's faster (much faster) and doesn't have the erratic behaviour, winmo sometimes can offer.
The apps market makes it really easy to find apps (i believe there are 30.000apps on the official market plus some others out there on the web) and they are easy to install, keep updated on thier own and always offer high quality intergation with the os (say goodbye to low res icons for your apps).
Just as an example, i can tell you (and i'm sure it's the same for you) that with winmo, with every rom i included fixes, tweaks and programs that did the things my phone wouldn't allow (automatic locking, screen off in calls, perfomance boost, etc etc) and sice android, i have installed no fixes at all (and havn't needed any!!!)
As far as navigation goes there are many competent navigation programs; i'm using copilot wich has radars and works very well, sygic is also quite satisfying, i believe igo amigo is also ready for the desire's resolution now and unless i'm mistaken, i think tom tom might be floating around (and thet's only to state some, n-drive and others are also available).
On the whole, i'm very pleased with the change, apart from a better os, better screen (beautiful colours) and very senistive with good multitouch, in my case i'm glad to have the harware buttons back (touch hd is resistive buttons), very nice form factor and overall good use.

Well, before you do here are some voices of unhappiness from WinMo users.
Some of their complaints are not valid but one of them may be a deal breaker for you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667055
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667265

Read my Sig
Best choice I've ever made, infinitely better than the hd2
Would recommend the desire to anyone
First Android phone and I'm loving it so much

Android is my favorite, after symbian
But im using my android phone only 1 week so my thaughts can change !

Read my Sig
Best choice I've ever made, infinitely better than the hd2
Would recommend the desire to anyone
First Android phone and I'm loving it so much

Thanks everyone, for your continued help and experiences. It makes my decision easier.
For you WinMo users out there, how expensive was replacing your apps on Android. For me this is one thing that I am finding difficult to let go of, even though it doesnt seem like a lasting excuse. I guess at some point you have to do it.
Can someone give me the address of the apps store. Does anyone know what the payment methods are? I am not a big fan of credit cards. Are there alternatives?
Thanks. my decision is coming a lot closer.

Hi ohyeahar,
I had a quick question about Syncing. You said that Outlook Calendar syncs. Do you know if all of the tweaks that you can make in Outlook such as categories and the notes field, does that also sync?
For me that is an important factor because of work. I think I can live without the tasks and notes (plus, who knows, maybe some future app will take care of that).
I think my questions are almost over and after watching a few review videos, I am also thinking that I am going to abandon WinMo forever, and take the Droid HTC Desire plunge.
Thanks for all of your comments and support.

I destroyed my HTC HD2 by shutting the back door of my estate on it. It craked the screen and smashed the camera, and it was the best thing that could have happened. I went for the Desire, and it makes the HD2 on winmo look like a calculator. Android is excellent, and will NEVER go back to Winmo. Put android on an HD2 and that might be nice.

I switched 2 weeks ago (from an oldish WinMo phone) and it was dead easy. Android with htc sense on top has some real parallels to WinMo with add-ons like SPB shell etc - except it's blindingly faster. Barely opened the user manual.
A few confusions over how the phone handles different contacts and phone lists but worked those out. Really great keyboard that does a fine job of correcting for 'big thumb syndrome'. Fabulous screen and so easy to add and remove apps directly onto the phone. Intelligent handling of WiFi when it's in range and 3G when it's not. Web browser is a dream - have had to train myself to use it rather than automatically going to a laptop given past experience with WinMo.
Seven home screens and I only use 5 'cos everything is so easily accesible from the built-in functions. One of those five only has family photos on it and one has the pretty but rather silly weather application (one area where I still use Windows - I look out of them).
Don't really feel like adding a lot of apps 'cos it does most things. Have added and paid for Nitrodesk Touchdown to get reliable sync with Exchange Server at work (email, contacts, calendar, tasks but no notes). Also added a note taker app for free (Note Everything) and Bubble (because my childish sense of humour enjoys seeing a £400 spirit level in action). Some concern that the memory may get filled up because you can't (yet) install apps to the SD card.
A few niggles but none major
- Exchange Active Sync (the native one) doesn't work with my office server, hence the Touchdown app
- Could do with an improved ability to put shortcuts to groups of contacts on the home screen
- HTC Sync (equivalent to Activesync) seems problematic. However, I suspect I won't be connecting by cable much anymore
- It's all a teensy bit too tied to Google (inevitably!). I am not a gmail fan and don't really want to sync outlook to gmail then down to the phone but am still having to do that for contacts since Touchdown contacts are not properly recognised
To date I would say 9.9/10 and when a few wrinkles get ironed out 9.95!

Hi Alex Bush,
thanks a million for the feedback. it makes my decision much easier.
Just how does the sync work with Outlook? Does it work, or is it difficult? I rely on Outlook for work so it is a must. I have all of my contacts, calendar dates in there,plus I use it both for my work & private accounts.
I hope it isn't a problem because that would be the killer for switching over.

I did it! after 8 years of windows mobile and pocket pc. Windows phone 7 series presentations made me betray the abandoned win mo and switch to Android.
support for Exchange and office viewers are better than in win mo.
performance and quality of applications are excellent.
one warning:
Be careful to choose the right device. Exchange calendar sync is not there by default!
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Thx Rdy2go
What can you tell me about syncing the HTC Desire with Outlook (most importantly calendar,, contacts). I dont use Exchange because I work for a small company and I retrieve my email through Outlook via Pop3. However, I rely heavily on Outlook and Office for my work.

Cpt_Chaos said:
Hi Everyone,
I am seriously thinking about switching over to the Desire and Android but I have absolutely no clue about Android and my experience is only with Palm OS and WinMo.
Can anyone out there give me their experiences and advice about switching over to Android. How is it different from WinMo. How difficult is it to get apps (this is one reason I am hesitating, I have so many WinMo apps).
Is it an easy system to use, etc. I would welcome any feedback you have. Thanks!!!
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I went from a Touch Diamond to the Desire. I was actually laughing while I was using it. Some people say that the advantage of WinMo is that it's like having Windows with you all the time. It's the exact opposite. It's bad, because it's like having Windows with you all the time. I would randomly freeze for no reason; you needed a stylus to click on crappy little boxes/menus ported from 1024x768 dev environment; the alarm clock was a joke (you needed to hunt around to turn it off - very annoying when it's 6am and you're trying to avoid waking the family; clearly it never occured to anyone at Microsoft that you might want a `Cancel`,`Snooze` choice in big buttons.
The main difference is that WinMo looks like it was designed by people who don't have to use it unless they're paid to (like my experience of Windows generally), whereas Android looks like it's designed by people who want to use it, and who make it as easy and intuitive as possible. The Desire is the best phone I've ever had, and every iPhone user I've shown it to has said that the new iPhone had better be good or they're going to consider getting an Android phone too.
Disadvantages: sometimes apps use images rather than text, and I have no idea what the image is supposed to mean. An example is Google Maps. When you are looking for directions you see an icon of a car, a bigger car and a person walking. I'm pretty sure the middle one isn't alternative directions for people who are driving a bigger car. If only text was used instead, perhaps I'd know what it meant; as it is I'm going to have to google for it. There have been a few other examples (the 'Power' widget, for instance).
Another negative point is when you install apps from the market, you agree that they can access this or that feature (phone number, gps, contact list etc). You accept everything or don't install it. I don't see why a game needs my phone number; I should be able to choose to install it but to block access to some features.
The battery lasts 12 hours if you actually use the phone (maps, email, surfing, reading PDFs etc). The standby time is amusingly quoted at 300+ hours. This is meaningless. That's not to say that it's inaccurate; it's just a little like saying that your car can last 20 years on one tank of petrol if you don't actually drive it anywhere. I'm sure manufacturers crank their devices to be on some insanely low power standby when they are literally just listening for phone calls and texts, which I guess is great if you `just want a phone` but if you're considering getting a Desire then that's not you!
The market doesn't make it very easy to explore new apps. You can choose categories, and click Free or Paid, but if you search you'll get a mixture from both. Also, however you look you'll end up scrolling down some massive list of hundreds of apps. It's annoying to find 40 crap apps by the same person; each one a book of quotes by some non-entity, or yet another set of cartoon characters turned into a "jigsaw puzzle" - there's no proper google search where you can add/remove terms with +,- etc. You'll end up searching for apps on a real computer, and just using the market to actually download it after searching for the app name (or using a QR code if one is available)
But ignore my criticisms and get the Desire. You won't regret it.

I sync using Outlook Anywhere service from Exchange servers not the desktop.
so I don't really know the answer...
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

After all I read in forums, reviews, saw on youtube and added actually newspages to my information range.
I am sadly have to say, that I will use my HD some month longer. It was a hard decission, but consider the following:
the desire is one of the first "real" android designs... together with the "test flagship" N1.
Samsung anounced super-amoled displays in upcomming smartphone, which compensating the "sun light vulnability" of amoled. snapdragon dual-core was anounced in januar and will be produced maybe in late summer. but still without considering snapdragon development: apple brings the 4g out ...round about july... I hate apple.. but what makes it so delicious is, that other manufacturers will try "to beat it down". this summer will be a king of the hill in the smartphonesector...everyone wants to be there... and everyone has the technology to do so.
android is rising to consumer market... 2.2 rumored.
the waiting will be pretty hard... but hell... I am curious what will be out in late summer.
a "desire" with super amoled is what I am waiting for... and maybe bigger ROM.
till then, I'll stay with my few, but quality build appz for winmo. the ones I will miss on android as long as everyone thinks, the reason for android ist because of the free appz.
as long as this doesn't change... there won't be many highquality appz for android.
oh and btw: I hate HTC sense too.. nearly the same amount as apple. wheres the point if I have on android the same "mobileshell" as on winmo?
sad thing these uniformations. (yeayeah, I know, I can change it)

Thanks everyone,
I guess I will be ordering my new Desire in 2 weeks. I guess it will be time to take the plunge and jump the WinMo ship.

Cpt_Chaos said:
Thanks everyone,
I guess I will be ordering my new Desire in 2 weeks. I guess it will be time to take the plunge and jump the WinMo ship.
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Ordering mine soon.....just searching for the best deals at min

Defy: my first Android. Very Dissapointed. Why is android so popular?

hi there,
the defy is my very first android-mobile device. I had windows mobile 4,5,6 in the past and i'm using palm pre (webos) since over a year now. I am dissapointed about the apps for webos, because they dont exist every app appears first on iphone.. somethimes for android... and never for webos. So, on amazon-cybermonday, i bought a cheap motorola defy.
But i am dissapointed.. not in the device but in the OS. This is Version 2.1 and feels like a buggy windows mobile 5 Nothing works really intuitively (?).
i installed all the cool apps in from the app-catalog, which first doesn't worked with my gmail-adress. i had to use googlemail.com adress (?). that took me about 2 hours then i installed the facebook app, which didn't told me that i have unred messages. I dont Like this app because i know the webos one.
so i tried google goggels.. cool app, indeed. But after 2 fotos, the device hangs and had to be restarted. there is no button to restart -.- ^^
ok, after the restarts, i tested other apps.. i downloaded very much apps.. there are very trashy apps in the store. Some japanese, chinese and other unreadble apps with no description.. hmm... until a message appears, that i dont have enogh memory and should close some apps. ...
and .. really.. how do you life with a OS without an ability to exit apps?? i had to download a taskmanager to kill open programs (to get 90% of the used memory back.. not 100%).. so after some opening and closing, i had no more memory and had to restart (pardon: shutdown and start) again.
my sum up: i have a mobile phone with has potential. it has a great camera (which an app had destroyed so i cannot use it anymore because blue color switched to red color, it was a filter in an crashed (or killed) app) and a good display, waterproof and long durability.. but the OS is not usable in my option. the apps are not designed well, they are mostly "ugly". i dont know what app is running without looking into another app, which is ugly too
so my question about one week of testing and finally returning to Webos. Why is android so.. unusable? i would call myself as a geek, but hey... that is too much Or.. maybe.. i am doing it wrong! what is possible with an android-phone? how many hours of customizing do you have to spend to have an android which is exactly like you want it? and where can i copy that

I think the problem with the Defy is that it's shipped with Motoblur which is by and large the cause of the "ugliness" and sluggishness of the phone.
Get Launcher Pro, I've only heard good things about it

Sounds like you have been installing a few too many apps my friend!
One of Android's stong points is it's ability for apps to customise the interface and modify the functions of the device. However, this can also be a weakness with poorly written applications bogging things down, or as you experienced with the camera app, stopping some features from working.
I would reset your device back to it's default state, and start again, choosing carefully what you install (tip: Check the reviews and comments in the market before you hit install).

LetoKynes said:
I think the problem with the Defy is that it's shipped with Motoblur which is by and large the cause of the "ugliness" and sluggishness of the phone.
Get Launcher Pro, I've only heard good things about it
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I think i like the motorola blur although i dont really know where this starts and ends The widgets are ok and the ability to have a connection from my pc zu the android-blur from the internet is good to know if i cannot find my device or want to upload something without moving..
But, like milesg suggested, i will reset the phone.. i have to anyway because of the camera-bug. maybe i can install this launcher.. i dont want to break the phone because it is proberbly a gift for christmas.
@milesg.. i have written the reviews on androit-pitt and have installed only the very good apps.. thats what dissapointed, too. ^^

I wouldn't worry about "breaking" the phone, as far as I know (at least from what I've read), LauncherPro is just a simple download and install app (doesn't involve any unrooting/unlocking/etc.) so I'd definitely give it a shot.

I'm surprised by the undertones of this thread. It's a phone! It's not a general computer, it's not a GameBoy, it's a portable communication device. I have not owned a smartphone before. Well, at least not for long. I tried the HD2 Pro and thought it was a device with the clunkiest interface I ever used. I tried a Blackberry (Bold 9700) and hated the walled-off ecosystem (a reason I will never use Apple devices), and now I got the Defy and after a week of playing and tinkering with the setup I'm happy as a clam. I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox. I have no Motoblur accounts, no Social services of any kind, only two home screens (one for e-mail, and one for weather/calendar/Reuters news, and a few shortcuts), and that's it! I've got a phone with good quality calls, great speakerphone, maps, navigation, e-mail, and IM on the go. I'm happy. Less (of good quality) is more.

prophil said:
Or.. maybe.. i am doing it wrong! what is possible with an android-phone? how many hours of customizing do you have to spend to have an android which is exactly like you want it? and where can i copy that
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I agree with you to some extent. I just finished 2 days of getting my new phone to run, and I only persisted because I am a software developer and never give up on a computer, as small as it may be. In terms of immediate usability, my previous SonyEricsson P1 is still ahead.
just some examples: after importing my contacts through motoblur, I realized that birthdates were not mirrored in the calendar. I created a few test contacts, whose birthdates DID appear. I now decided to delete all contacts from MB and re-import through my google account. After that, the birthday events of the newly created entries were still in the calendar, even though the contacts proper were deleted. I had to root my device, install a database client app, and go directly to the Contacts/Events database to delete the entries.
This morning, the calendar widget insisted on showing yesterdays date. No way of convincing it that this was the 8th of December. Meanwhile (12:00 am) it has caught up, however.
Bottomline: if you feel this platform is still in its infancy, and it is questionable how it will ever become the platform of choice for your wife or for efficiency-oriented business purposes (in other words: non-geek usage), you have my sympathy.
chris

I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox. I have no Motoblur accounts, no Social services of any kind
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sounds like you did the right things - i will investigate this for myself. But you really just confirm what has already been said. Unless one has a clear understanding of what does not work, and what alternatives are available, the DEFY (and probably any other Motorola phone, and most other brands as well) will cause a lot of frustration.

I say exchange/return it asap and get a diff andriod device before getting stuck in a 2 yr contract....but don't let that one phone give a bad rep to all android phones...get an android that doesn't come w motoblur
*Sent from my Tmobile MT4G*

I installed launcher pro as well. Phone runs supper smooth now. Also, this thing is way better than gameboy. I play nes and snes games all day

@prophil
Windows mobile (note not WP7) is the best OS ever, so i can understand you're disappointed.
But, be realistic, development is getting poor and WM will die soon.
All the OS available today are worst than WM but you have to chose one of them if you want to do more than calls with your phone. In my opinion Android is the best choice among those OS, that's the reason it is so popular.

MarSOnEarth said:
I installed LaucherPro (and paid for the plus version although the only widget I ended up using is the calendar) and PowerBar. Then I added Pure Messanger for my unified Gmail inbox.
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can you please tell me where to find PowerBar? Cant find it in the AppStore

I felt the same way about my hero until i found xda!!
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly? Lmao ok. I've never used a winmo that i didn't wanna throw off the bridge.
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I love Android noobs
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disturkis4u said:
Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly? Lmao ok. I've never used a winmo that i didn't wanna throw off the bridge.
Sent from my DEFY using XDA app
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I agree. BB is too limited and win mo was probably the worst
System ever

disturkis4u said:
Lol you're coming from a winmo and saying that android isn't intuitive and that its ugly?
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Well, i see that my poor englisch leads to a miss understanding. I'm not coming from Windows Mobile. I had owned a xda and and xda2i .. thats about 8 years ago i think?.. and i could get used to it. it was cool.. you could do a lot of things.. (while other phones still had monochrome displays).. but the feeling, that the OS and the Device were married like El and his wife in "married with children" is : that just doesn't work.. so i had putted it in my desk and forgot about it. for about 7 years or so. I thought things have changed.. but they haven't really.
I come from WebOS.. that was.. is.. my actual smartphone-OS. That is exactly like a OS should look und feel in my opinion.. <- that was my mind before i every tried iOS or Symbian or Android... i never will go to Apple, so my curiosity leads me to android. That should be the best, they all told me. (ok, like iOS is the best is what all the apple-people tells me). And.. its not
Have to ever had the chance to test webOS?
anyway, my work is done, im at home now and im just going to reset the device and try my luck again

Fact is Android might not be for you. But that doesn't mean it's a bad OS, just means it's not what you want in an OS.
Definitely need to take your time with downloading apps your first try out with the phone. Don't go app crazy. Download a few of them, test them out, uninstall those you don't like and go on, but don't do this with twenty apps at a time.
My first Android phone was a Cliq...believe me you are much better off with the Defy.

Its me again
I've been installing and testing.. configuring and uninstalling.. i think.. i made one mistake on my first run. i didn't installed the launcher Pro!
after i installed the launcher pro, the OS is becoming usable.. i can make folders instead of scrolling through a buggy endless list of apps. and if i want to scroll, it is smoothy
then, i have found very attraktiv apps, like a file-manager with bluetooth and smb support. and i can send everything from and to my dlna-devices. .. ok.. thats just funktionality, not more.. but.. i think, i just have to play some more days with the OS to get used to it..
or.. shouldn't I because i will give it away (gift^^)

I used my Samsung Soul for more than two years before I moved to Motorola Defy to increase my productivity. In 2000 I bought the HP Jornada 720 (WinCE) that I really liked but stop using it as it wasn't truly a portable device and I couldn't possibly have it with me everywhere. I kept it until 2008 as a secondary backup solution for important information such as contacts before threw it away.
Now that I own an Android OS based mobile phone for more than a week I can say that I'm kind of disappointed with the OS. Maybe I had too much expectations but I'm not disappointed enough to give up the OS just yet.
Android 2.1 out of box is hardly worth investing in my opinion when you have no use for social networking i.e. Facebook and twitter features. However, the prospect of checking emails on the road with availability of a wireless connection is very appealing to me but Android 2.1 is very poor in supporting multiple email accounts. I understand that Android 2.2 has a better email support but I have to wait up to six months for better support. It is beyond me how Google didn't see the demand of such feature in the first place. I think the lack of proper email support in Android 2.1 demonstrates that Google didn't target users like me originally.
The lack of Office Suite is another disappointing thing for me. Out-of-box I cannot even write/read a simple note in a text file. The sticky notes widget shipped with Motorola Defy does not serve my needs at all. I would have loved to be able to trasnfer a word document to my phone for later reading.
I'm sure there is an app on the market for whatever I want my smartphone to do but the cost and time I have to invest deters me even from trying.
I haven't found browsing internet on a 3.7" device a pleasant experience but having that feature in Android by default is assuring for urgent matters when a laptop or desktop PC is not available.
I'm also pleased that I can watch videos and listen to music when I left my Sony Walkman S series at home. Watching video on 3.7" device is certainly an advantage but the battery usage is always a concern on phone devices but not with PMP devices.
I was also surprised to find the lack of customisation compared to my Samsung Soul. Everything about Samsung Soul can be customised and one can build his own theme without any technical knowledge. In Android 2.1 only ring tones and wallpapers are customisable. I can't even change the background colour of system menus for instance. I'm sure there is an app for that.
Google's own services/apps are great if you have a use for them. For instance google's map comes handy for me very occasionally. I have lived without it so far while I was on the road. On the other hand, I will have a use for a proper GPS software such as CoPilot that I intend to purchase soon and I'm pleased it is available for Android platform.
Conclusion
I doubt it Motorola will upgrade Defy beyond Android 2.2 and I'm willing for the time being stick with Motorola Defy until end of 2012.
By no means I dislike Android but in terms of productivity I expected much more. All the features I use on my Motorola Defy can also be found on other mobile platforms so nothing to praise about when it come to Android. The initial ownership cost of my Motorola Defy which I like the hardware very much is much lower than equivalent/similar handsets on other mobile platforms.
In my opinion Android platform is not suited for very active business users nor power users like me out-of-box. Once out-of-box features are improved for business oriented users or power users then I do not see why I should consider what other mobile platforms are offering.

[Q] Maybe Going from Windows Mobile to Android (Captivate Glide) - Newbie Questions

All of my past devices (Siemens SX56 & SX66; HTC Kaiser; and presently HTC Rhodium - see ROM below) have been Windows Mobile, so I'm hoping to appeal to those of you who made the leap to Android from WM to answer several newbie questions...
A Little Background History About Me & My Mobile World
As device technologies are steadily and rapidly advancing faster than they ever have before, I am finding myself wishing that my current device was capable of many of the tasks/speed that the newer devices are. Unfortunately, my lack of knowledge of other OSes are keeping me from making an informed decision that I will be able to confidently live with.
Coming from Windows Mobile, I bought a used LG Quantum (Windows 7 Phone) cheap from Ebay hoping to play with it for a bit to help me understand the new Windows OS and enable me to transition more easily to it's newer technology and features. Unfortunately, the most critical aspect of transitioning to Windows Phone is the ability to seamlessly and accurately transfer my data (calendar, contacts, tasks, etc.) from Microsoft Outlook to the new device. I was appalled to learn that Microsoft has completely removed the ability to sync via USB as I have always done with ActiveSync all these years!
Sure for many, this isn't a major problem, but for me it is an absolute deal breaker! My data is tied to my work PC and my company (being a very large global company) is very serious about it's data security, so they have blocked access to all third-party email and file storage options, therefore syncing my data to the Quantum in the conventional manner is impossible. I've tried extracting/importing the various Outlook data files with Google, Hotmail, etc., but the data's integrity proved to be worthless, as many contacts were missing their contact names and all of my recurring appointments were broken out into separate events making future rescheduling a complete and utter nightmare. So, needless to say, I ran screaming back to my Rhodium in less than 2 days!
I am an AT&T customer and an avid fan of a 'real' hard keyboard (an absolute MUST for my next device!), so I am considering the Samsung Captivate Glide as an upgrade option, hence why I am posing my questions in this subforum.
My Questions/Concerns to Users Who Made the Transition from Windows Mobile to Android:
I've been searching the web looking for newbie guides to Android and am finding that many of them are tailored to those users who have no prior experience with smart phones at all, as it basically describes what a smart phone can do and what 'apps' can be found for various simple tasks. What I need to know from you all is:
What obstacles have you encountered switching from WM to Android and how did you overcome them?
What are the biggest pro/cons that you have come across and how have you managed them?
How are you managing your data? It appears to me that Android also utilizes OTA syncing, however, I have read that there are programs out there that will allow you to work around this and sync via USB. Is this correct and which applications do you find work the best?
My Device Needs:
I am not a 'gamer' by any sense of the word, so I have no use or interest of what Android is capable of in that aspect. My interests clearly lie in contact, calendar, notes, & task data management; email (multiple AOL accounts); GPS-guided navigation; Internet access; photo/video capturing capabilities; and, of course, as a reliable phone.
I do not typically listen to music on my Rhodium, as I have a 60GB Zen which can store far more music than my phone can, but I do enjoy the ability to listen to FM radio or whatever MP3s that I do choose to store on my Rhodium. I don't usually watch videos/movies on my current device, but may choose to more often, as I expect the experience to be much more pleasant on the newer technology anyway.
In Conclusion
First and foremost, I appreciate you reading my post, as I am sorry it has gotten so long, but I wanted those responding to know what my experience has been, what my needs are... Basically, where I'm coming from. If there are other scenarios that any of you have encountered in your transition from WM to Android that I haven't addressed, I would be most grateful if you would care to share them with me.
Given all of the above, is the Captivate Glide a smart choice? I understand that the Android 'Ice Cream Sandwich' update is expected later this year, as well, and that the Captivate Glide is rumored to be among the devices slated to receive the update. Is the SCG a solid device that will be able to make good use of this anticipated update? Are there rumors of any new Android devices coming to AT&T (with a hard keyboard) that I should look out for before I consider my transition?
Thank you all again for the time that you have taken out of your busy lives to read my post and for your consideration in taking even more time to respond to my questions. I've been a member of this community for a few years now and have the utmost respect for the collective knowledge and selfless assistance that I've received thus far, so please feel free to direct me to any outside forums/sites, which are better suited to my needs as I may have missed them in my initial searches on the subject. Of course, I am open to conducting my research/questions via private messages, if forum administrators think that my inquiry is too elementary for the forum.
Debbie

I have not own a Win Mobile before so I can't answer most of your questions. But I can tell you what my android device(s) do for me.
-It performs well and can do almost anything you need while you're mobile
-SMS, MMS, email, calls, calendar, etc are most (let's say 90%) used functionality for me, and my Glide (and previous android devices) never failed me on those. So pretty much, telephony and PDA features are awesome.
-Android supports auto sync, so your apps (like Calendar and contacts) will push all changes as long as you have data active. This feature can be disabled.
-Email: the stock Samsung Email app does the job for me and can hold about 10 emails or so.
-Contacts, is very rich, from first name to nickname, to organization , you can add many details in one. Contacts merging is also available.
-Virtual Keyboard, just make sure you turn off some features like "Quick Fixes" and XT9 if you don't want your Android to mess up you're text. Many 3rd party Virtual Keyboards are available, for different styles, functionality, and looks. For a hardware Keyboard of the glide, it's not that great, but not bad as hell for the reason that the keys are almost flat that there is a little to no tactile feedback on some keys.
-Web Browsing, I am having a very good experience in terms of web. Renders pages in reasonable speed, supports flash, and there are third party WEb browsers that supports HTML5 as well.
-Wireless tethering (Rogers), I use this quite a lot too, and connection is solid and pleasant. (You may need to Root to activate tethering on ATT ROMs/Versions)
-APPLICATIONS all-in-all, a ton of apps are available
-Battery life: in my case, battery is about 50% from the morning I wake up til the night I am about to sleep. This is fine with me.
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If you're gonna ask me about the 10% of my usage:
-7% goes to hacking: I am no developer, but I do learn a lot of tweaks (like Rooting) to make the fast device faster. I admit, it's was not easy for me at first, screwed up my androids(s) lots but everything paid up. Learn from mistakes i guess.
-3% goes to games....

Thanks!
Your post is very much appreciated, gabby131!
I just revisited the local AT&T store and they indicate that this device is the only Android model offered by them that has a hard keyboard, with no ETA on when other keyboard/Android devices will appear on the horizon. Therefore, it's very good to know that you are having pleasant experiences with your SCG. I have a few more months before I am eligible for an upgrade, so I have that much more time to conduct my research.
I will continue to keep an eye on the forum for other members' experiences with the ICS OS update when it comes out. 'Til then, I will continue to read this and other devices' forums for additional information.
All the best,
Debbie

I had windows Mobile 6.1 for many years. I went from a Dell axim X51V to a Samsung Omnia and now to the Samsung Glide.
Windows mobile had many downfalls but for the people who got used to it, we were able to use it quite well. Web browsing was always a pain on Windows Mobile. Android does fix this and I find I surf on my phone quite well ,especially using the Dolphin browser with the gestures that I have created.
I love the Glide for its ease of use with Excel and word files. The ability to open those and modify them on the fly with a hardware keyboard is great I just wish the hardware keyboard had a dedicated Number row.
Active sync had its benefits and its downfall. I loved that I could sync my phone with outlook and do miss that. I have come to move all my information in my outlook contacts to Google contacts and I just sync in the cloud. I also switched to using Google Calendar instead of the Outlook Calendar. This way I can access my calendar anywhere from any computer or my phone.
The touch display is 1 million times better on my glide then my Omnia as now we are talking capacitive over resistive. I will never go back to resistive!
Funny thing is that on My Windows Mobile device the voice command I find was better than on my Android. I used to tell Windows mobile to play a song and it would with no issues. With Android I am still learning how to do this, and if the screen is locked Bluetooth can not be used for voice commands.
The Glide is a better phone then many out there and the Hardware keyboard is what drew me to it, I just hope you will as happy as I am with mine.

Thanks, dudejb!
Did you load Microsoft Office onto your Glide, or does it already come equipped with an application that will allow you to work with those files? I haven't had to use my device for MS Office files (outside of Outlook, Notes, Tasks, of course), but I really liked that I was able to, if the need ever arose.
Unfortunately, as all of my calendar/contact data is tied to my work PC, setting up this data on Google, etc. is really useless to me. Direct USB syncing is an absolute MUST for me, due to my company blocking other email services, so I have no choice. I'm hoping someone else who also syncs via USB on Android will chime in with suggestions on the best application to use.
I'll need to get used to the screen more. Looks fantastic, but I'm used to using my fingernails a lot and I noticed that the screen doesn't respond quite like my Rhodium does... Hey, I'll adjust! LOL
I used Voice Command a lot with my Kaiser and when I first got my Rhodium, but I've stopped using it after loading Jacko's ROMs, because his ROMs don't recognize/make use of the PTT button, which I always assigned to VC. Sure, I know that I could have used a 3rd-party software to assign the PTT button to that command, but I've just been too damned lazy.
I'm not totally sold on the keyboard, but even the Rhodium took some getting used to after coming from a Kaiser, as my fingers were used to the Kaiser's key layout. I gotta admit though, once I got accustomed to the layout, I determined that my Rhodium has one of the best keyboards out there and I will truly miss it. I played with the Glide on display at the AT&T store for quite some time the other day. To me, it felt that the keys on the Glide are spaced too far apart and didn't have a great feel to them. Shame it's the only keyboard Android model for AT&T right now. What I will truly miss that I never thought I would is the tilt screen of my Rhodium (and Kaiser)... I can't tell you how many times that thing came in handy and it would totally mesmerize my friends when they saw it in action! LMAO!
Again, thanks so much to the both of you for responding. I do believe that I may be taking the 'Android' plunge soon. I just gotta have a plan in place for USB syncing before I actually commit though.
Debbie

I had WinMo 5.x then 6.x devices for many years as well, still have the last one though (Touch Pro 2, runs great !).
But, I decided to move to Android because it had some great capabilities that WiMo 6.x didn't have:
- Managing Outlook sync OTA with more than one Exchange Server
- Managing / Merging Calendar Display (from different accounts : outlook, gmail, ...)
- Managing / Merging multiple contact lists (from different accounts : outlook, gmail, ...)
- User friendly Web browsing
- ...
Of course, I had to save some SMS/MMS and call logs in order to get exactly what I had when leaving WiMo world.
So over a year ago, I used (payed) for one of these migration apps from SPB (or any other) to migrate all my data. (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spb.migration&feature=search_result).
Migration worked great. All data were restored on the Android device.
My first WiMo device replacement was a HTC Desire Z .. with a keyboard. No the same keyboard experience than the touch Pro 2, but it worked.
I then switched to a far more powerful device : the Glide.
I rely mainly on OTA sync : Outlook, hotmail, gmail, yahoo mail.
No USB sync at all (used to do that with Desire Z, but IMO OTA is better).
The Glide lacks a few things (FM tuner, ...) but it has a great processor, a great display ... and huge software library ! (TomTom is still missing !)
Keyboard is nowhere near the Touch Pro 2 experience, but it does the trick and you get used to it.
So Glide (and Android) is my day to day phone. It runs great and is reliable.
I kept the Touch Pro 2 just in case ...

frav said:
I had WinMo 5.x then 6.x devices for many years as well, still have the last one though (Touch Pro 2, runs great !).
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That's what I am currently using on AT&T... OMG, I *so* love that device!
frav said:
But, I decided to move to Android because it had some great capabilities that WiMo 6.x didn't have:
- Managing Outlook sync OTA with more than one Exchange Server
- Managing / Merging Calendar Display (from different accounts : outlook, gmail, ...)
- Managing / Merging multiple contact lists (from different accounts : outlook, gmail, ...)
- User friendly Web browsing
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I'm becoming more and more aware of how ancient my Tilt 2 is getting, although it's still an impressively performing phone with Jackos ROM below. The biggest reminder is when I use it's camera at only 3.2MP, no flash/zoom, and poor video quality. The SCG's camera doesn't zoom, from what I can tell either, does it?
frav said:
So over a year ago, I used (payed) for one of these migration apps from SPB (or any other) to migrate all my data. (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spb.migration&feature=search_result).
Migration worked great. All data were restored on the Android device.
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I'll look into that to see if it would help me out as well, thanks!
frav said:
My first WiMo device replacement was a HTC Desire Z .. with a keyboard. No the same keyboard experience than the touch Pro 2, but it worked.
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I was initially looking at the Desire Z as well, but it never came to AT&T and I don't want to sacrifice my data speed or call quality by not being able to utilize all the bands that I should have access to on the AT&T network, so I thought it best to wait a bit for something else to pop up.
frav said:
I rely mainly on OTA sync : Outlook, hotmail, gmail, yahoo mail.
No USB sync at all (used to do that with Desire Z, but IMO OTA is better).
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I wish that I could use OTA syncing (because that would make my life SO much easier & open up a whole ****load of options to me), but my company will not allow me to upload my Outlook data to any 3rd-party email/file storage repositories, so I am left with no choice but to find a suitable USB-syncing method.
frav said:
The Glide lacks a few things (FM tuner, ...) but it has a great processor, a great display ... and huge software library ! (TomTom is still missing !)
Keyboard is nowhere near the Touch Pro 2 experience, but it does the trick and you get used to it.
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I will actually miss the FM Tuner on my device, and I never thought that I would, because it sure came in handy sometimes! LOL Yeah, I adore the keyboard on my Tilt 2 and it will really suck to have to give it up, but as you say I'll adjust.
frav said:
So Glide (and Android) is my day to day phone. It runs great and is reliable.
I kept the Touch Pro 2 just in case ...
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Oh, make no mistake... I will never totally give up my Rhodium! As a matter of fact, I've already got another one in reserve (but it's got an effed up USB port) in case I ever need it. Hell, I won't even give up my Kaiser (original AT&T Tilt), because that thing rocked, too!
Thanks so much for your feedback on the Captivate Glide... I'm feeling more and more confident that this is the device for me (until something better comes out, that is), so you may be seeing me around this forum more often.
Thanks again!
Debbie

@Debbie
i believe that if you set up your Office Email on the Glide, you will also get the events, tasks, appointments, etc. You can use the stock Samsung email or any 3rd party apps that support outlook and/or exchange servers. (Please disregard if this is not allowed by your company you're working). As in my case, I need to download TouchDown app, and because I am happy with it, i purchased the license (yes it's kinda pricy, about $20). It does the job very well.

gabby131 said:
i believe that if you set up your Office Email on the Glide, you will also get the events, tasks, appointments, etc. You can use the stock Samsung email or any 3rd party apps that support outlook and/or exchange servers. (Please disregard if this is not allowed by your company you're working).
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Unfortunately, they got that locked up tight, too. There is no way that they will give me the Exchange server credentials to allow me to do that unless I am using a company-provided device, which would be a Blackberry... Yuk!
gabby131 said:
As in my case, I need to download TouchDown app, and because I am happy with it, i purchased the license (yes it's kinda pricy, about $20). It does the job very well.
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I'll look into that, but I suspect that it may not help me much, so I'll be researching USB-sync software. If I poke around here enough, I might find someone who can recommend a reliable one.
Thanks for responding again!
Debbie

I believe the Samsung synch application for windows will allow you to synch with outlook and your android/Samsung Phone. I just found the application to be buggy and a pain to install. I tried at work and it did not communicate with my glide, but at home it worked but I did not attempt on connecting with outlook so I can not tell you how well that works but have heard others mention that it works.

Many Sync Options Apparently, But Which Actually Work???
dudejb said:
I believe the Samsung synch application for windows will allow you to synch with outlook and your android/Samsung Phone. I just found the application to be buggy and a pain to install. I tried at work and it did not communicate with my glide, but at home it worked but I did not attempt on connecting with outlook so I can not tell you how well that works but have heard others mention that it works.
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Really??? Can it actually be *that* simple? LOL! Is the application that you speak of the one called "Kies" or something different?
My problem is a bit complex: I have Outlook 2003 at work and Outlook 2007 at home. My work PC is the one that contains all of my important data since that is where I get meeting requests, etc. My home PC's Outlook has never been accurate, since it is Vista and utilizes Device Center for syncing my WM Rhodium, which conflicts horrendously with MS ActiveSync on my work PC (which is NT), so I've ended up with tons of empty appointments and duplicate (even triplicate) contact entries. Back when both PCs were XP, I was able to sync both of them perfectly with ActiveSync and have my data agree at home *and* at work... I miss those days.
I've been giving the web search engines a work out on this one topic alone! Found this thread in the Android Software & Hacking General forum, which helped point me to SyncDroid.net. They have a listing of several sync applications (paid & free) that syncs various types of data using various methods of syncing. Out of that list, it appears that these softwares are the best for my particular problem and syncing needs:
- Android-Sync
- MyPhoneExplorer
- VCOrganizer Pro
- SyncRoid
Some are free, some not, and others have free trials or light versions. I'm not fussed with paying for an application if it actually works reliably. So, I'm hoping that others who share my scenario (which may be difficult to come by) can chime in on which are best. Even if I didn't have these limitations, I'd still be wary of putting my data out on the web. Are there others that I should be looking into, that I haven't come across yet?
Damn, why is something that should be so simple proving SO difficult?!
Many thanks!
Debbie

Did you try Kies first? I tried it again and it said it can synch with outlook contacts and Calenders.

Not yet, but will give that one a try first. Thanks!
dudejb said:
Did you try Kies first? I tried it again and it said it can synch with outlook contacts and Calenders.
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I'm glad I found this thread as I'm thinking about switching to android also.
My quick phone history
1. Samsung sph i330 (palm 3.0 or .5 don't remember)
2. ppc 6700
3. HTC touch pro 2 (current Phone)
All of these phones have been great, and as you can see once I find something I like I stick with it.
Okay Debbie, did you switch? What do you think of android?
For me my biggest concern is loosing my stylus, and other functions that come so natural to me like cut & paste. My wife has an Epic 4G (android) but I'm not yet sold the thing doesn't even have spell check!
The main reason for me to switch. I run a small business and want to accept credit card payments with Square (Android and I phone only), and I will never own anything made by Apple
Frav: do you miss the stylus?
If I do switch I'll be going with the galaxy S III
any input would be great!

If you are dead set on stylus you may want to look at the note as it also has a stylus. It is rather large but for businesses it may be worth it for you. A friend of mine has 1 and she loves it.
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Thats a good point dudejb. I have thought of that, but i worried about the size. I'll have to give it a test run at the store

http://www.google.com/shopping/prod...tFbL02wWztsG1AQ&ved=0CGEQ8wIwAQ#hsec:overview
Stylus... $3
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Wow very cool thanks ajt1995. I didn't even know that existed! I guess I have been kind of sheltered with my Touch Pro 2.

you could always go with the Sausage Stylus:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/sausage-stylus-for-the-iphone-now-on-sale-in-the-us/
Though it sounds dumb and funny, but I hear it really works well.

84mopar said:
Wow very cool thanks ajt1995. I didn't even know that existed! I guess I have been kind of sheltered with my Touch Pro 2.
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Glad I could help.
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What apps are not possible on iOS?

Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets
2) file managers
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment)
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly:
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage
3) custom launchers/homescreens
4) custom keyboards
5) custom dialers (?)
6) Live wallpapers
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine)
2) Quickboot -
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank

In android you can set your own default apps (browser, dialer, MAPS ... etc). Also, apps can communicate easily. For example, if you are in the gallery looking at a photo and hit the 'share' button you'll be able to send that photo to whatever installed app that accept a photo (gmail, social networks, messaging apps, photo editing apps ...). The same goes for every type of file (music, videos, zip archives, pdf files ...).
About your tasker's question, I recently tried 'sony smart connect' on my note 2 and it works really well. You can activate tasks either manually, via events (headset plugged in, charging mode) or via the NFC enabled sony smart tags.
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I don't think this is a good section for your question. This is more suited for the General Section of XDA (Since you're posting in an Android section I can gaurentee you that you're only going to get over-positive android responses and/or Apple/iOS haters. If you are intentually posting here because you want to hear android users then ignore what I said ).
Ontopic:
I always see it like this, Do you want:
SMS
Phone calls
Internet
Facebook
Twitter
A smooth running phone
Then iOS is the way to go for you. Do you want anything more, then Android is the way to go. On an iPhone there is only one way to go, the same way everyone else is going (You know from the commercials "Think Different"...).
On Android however you can personalize everything you want. I've been enjoying Android for over 3 years now and the ammount of different rom's, theme's, hack's, mod's, etc I've had in the those years is just insane. The possibilty's are just endless and thats why I love android, you will never get bored with your phone ! Don't like something, just change it. So not only Keyboards, Launchers and dailers, everything!
Stoux

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I don't think this is a good section for your question. This is more suited for the General Section of XDA (Since you're posting in an Android section I can gaurentee you that you're only going to get over-positive android responses and/or Apple/iOS haters. If you are intentually posting here because you want to hear android users then ignore what I said ).
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There shouldn't be anything positive or negative about this thread - I'm hoping it stays fairly factual.
If App X requires a permission that you can't get on iOS, then that's a fact.
Whether App X is a great or stupid app is besides the point.
You are right though, that ideally I need someone answering who is fairly knowledgeable about both operating systems.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets iOS has that
2) file managers iOS has that
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)iirc, this just backs up all your custom settings etc? If so, we have multiple versions of that. also, cydia automatically stores ssh..shsh? idr lol, blobs.
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment) that too
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: yep.
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage and again, yep.
3) custom launchers/homescreens By launcher, you mean themes I take it? and custom home layouts? yep.
4) custom keyboards have that too
5) custom dialers (?)and yes, even this.
6) Live wallpapers yep, though I don't use them.
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery We can back up everything, even repos and installed tweaks.
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? what are you talking about? if you don't want a jailbroken phone you just install iOS again and restore your settings, can't android do that?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine) Used to have something that worked off gps locations, but there are a few different things that iOS can use atm. I personally don't know too much about it, but I believe similar things can be done.
2) Quickboot - What is quickboot? I'll tell you if I know haha
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X. Not sure, never looked for it.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank
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I find most people who own android phones, yes, even on this forum, are quite ignorant about iOS. But hey, I'm ignorant about android! So we can learn from each other. Oh, and we have the drop down settings menu in a couple forms, and the better one, imho, sbsettings, is customizable as to what is put in it.
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There will always be more posibilities behind an opened door than a closed door.
Android is getting better and better and iOS has stayed the same since 2007. All iOS has over Android is games in app store and the apps are a bit more polished. Other than that iOS is for beginers.
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SchusterIX said:
Hello.
This is not an 'android vs iOS' thread. I'm just trying to learn some differences between android and iOS.
This could be very interesting/useful I think.
Please don't ruin this thread with flames.
My question is quite simple:
What kind of apps are possible on Android that aren't on iOS due to its architecture?
Or, perhaps, what kinds of 'actions' are possible in Android apps that aren't in iOS?
Here's what I can think of offhand.
You have the obvious ones:
1) widgets iOS has that -Are you kidding me? I think you don't know what is a widget.
2) file managers iOS has that Not without voiding your warranty with jailbreak. And it is not as extensive as the ones on Android
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?)iirc, this just backs up all your custom settings etc? If so, we have multiple versions of that. also, cydia automatically stores ssh..shsh? idr lol, blobs. -Titanium backup backups all your apps with their data and you can restore them anytime you want. I don't think iOS has anything like that(I think iTunes can do it...But you cannot backup and restore from your phone itself)
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment) that too
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: yep.
Android you can ftp/wifi explorer/usb drive/external sd copy/dropbox
2d) USB mass storage and again, yep. Maybe with jailbreak(i dont know) but you cannot do it out of the box. I stuggled with an iPad 2 and a Linux computer as I couldn't copy files without UMS
3) custom launchers/homescreens By launcher, you mean themes I take it? and custom home layouts? yep. iOS doesn't have customization to this extent. You can only change the theme of the icons and transtitions that too with jailbreak only. We can transform our phones to Windows Phone 7 style interface, iOS style interface, etc and much more!
4) custom keyboards have that too
5) custom dialers (?)and yes, even this.
6) Live wallpapers yep, though I don't use them.
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery We can back up everything, even repos and installed tweaks.
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? what are you talking about? if you don't want a jailbroken phone you just install iOS again and restore your settings, can't android do that?
Note 2(ish) specific stuff:
1) External SD card utilities (directory bind, etc)
2) app-in window (popup video, aircalc, overSkreen, etc)
3) multi-window
But actually, I'm curious about stuff like:
1) Do programs like tasker/llama work?
Do they have access to the hardware like that?
'simple' stuff like - if I'm at home, turn on wifi?
If I plug in my headphone, turn on bluetooth? (my typical car routine) Used to have something that worked off gps locations, but there are a few different things that iOS can use atm. I personally don't know too much about it, but I believe similar things can be done.
2) Quickboot - What is quickboot? I'll tell you if I know haha
3) Something like droidwall - blocking internet access for program X. Not sure, never looked for it.
Anything else?
I'm geniuinely curious what else Android folk take for granted that iOS doesn't allow for the sake of speed/stability/safety.
(which I find understandable, to be honest).
- Frank.[/COLOR]
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system.img said:
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Use a readable colour, I'll take you seriously then. -sigh- Honestly, the unwillingness to even listen is amazing on this forum. The little I read, was that I don't know what widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.

SchusterIX said:
Use a readable colour, I'll take you seriously then. -sigh- Honestly, the unwillingness to even listen is amazing on this forum. The little I read, was that I don't know what widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.
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Yeah...I should have used a better color. I realised it after posting and I didn't wanna edit the whole thing again..
And plugging the phone does nothing. You cannot read the internal memory and you have to use the stupod iTunes which is not available in Linux.
But this discussion is going nowhere. Better say on topic! "What apps are not possible on iOS?" instead of saying what is possible(Even if the OP stated some things wrong)

system.img said:
Yeah...I should have used a better color. I realised it after posting and I didn't wanna edit the whole thing again..
And plugging the phone does nothing. You cannot read the internal memory and you have to use the stupod iTunes which is not available in Linux.
But this discussion is going nowhere. Better say on topic! "What apps are not possible on iOS?" instead of saying what is possible(Even if the OP stated some things wrong)
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Well, linux must suck more than I thought. I can use a number or programs to access the memory of the iPhone, or even set it up so that winblows or OS X sees it like a usb drive.
Oh, I managed to read one more thing...WP7? iOS has that as well. You must never have owned an iOS device, or at least jailbroken it. As for backing up settings? iTunes does that, so does aptbackup etc.
Maybe you should use a better OS than linux? I want to like linux...but it supports nothing. If linux has the programs os x / windows does, I'd use it in a heart beat.

Well I can share my thoughts after spending a year with the iPhone 4 as my main mobile device.
2) file managers: iFile is good. It's like Root Explorer on Android. It did everything I needed it to do.
2a) Titanium backup (is this true?): Backing up an iPhone was HARD for me. I didn't want to use iTunes for it, so I ended up doing manual backups, pulling database files for contacts, sms, call logs and things like that from system folders using SSH. There is no Titanium Backup for iOS. Trust me. I spent DAYS looking for a good backup app in Cydia. Nothing. There are apps that back up your Cydia sources and packages, so that's useful, but they wouldn't back up system settings, sms, call logs, apps and app data.
2b) Programs can open any file (so to speak, like you can e-mail any file as attachment): There is a tweak in Cydia that will allow you to attach any file to an e-mail.
2c) Ways to just copy stuff on/off randomly: I used SSH and an FTP client
2d) USB mass storage: DiskAid, http://www.digidna.net/products/diskaid
3) custom launchers/homescreens: You can arrange your icons freely... Tweaks in Cydia will allow you to put icons anywhere without them snapping to the grid. Pathetic customization options, absolutely awful and very boring.
4) custom keyboards: Well, not really... You can theme it black if you want... and add emoji support... And add a fifth row. With Cydia tweaks, of course not if you're not jailbroken.
6) Live wallpapers: vWallpaper in Cydia. It destroys battery life though. http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/12/...per-2-live-wallpapers-get-ios-5-compatibility
7) CWM recovery for installing stuff/backup/recovery: I almost LOL'd... That's a no. :laugh:
7a) what does iOS users do if they hose their OS, if they can't flash a stock rom? Restore with iTunes (the equivalent of re-stocking using Odin)
For automatic wifi/bluetooth toggling and similar, look here: http://lifehacker.com/5908536/how-to-make-your-iphone-read-your-mind
You CAN do those things but in my experience the whole setup process is just infuriating. Many times you have to install small individual Cydia tweaks for every little thing you want to change, and it will make your iPhone slower and more unreliable, more prone to random things happening like MobileSubstrate crashes, reboots... My iPhone once mysteriously uninstalled two games on its own, they were just gone. No doubt due to my jailbreaking and all the tweaks I had, but still... Random things can happen is my point.
The iPhone is known for being smooth in operation, reliable, and a jailbreak will really mess with the stability. It's ironic, that you have to make the phone more unstable and compromise its smoothness and battery life in order to get it to do things that we take for granted on Android.

Overall applications quality is better, if not way, in iOS. We Need 100 good quality apps rather than 50 average and 50 below average ones. Frankly too much crap apps are in Play Store with top rating.
And even iOS 5 is hell of a lot smoother than JB. Still I keep using Android for 3 years as there is too much restriction in iOS.
And people who don't own an iPhone, you don't own an iPhone, so they don't have right to comment. I do, thus I did.
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SchusterIX said:
widgets are...yes I do. And yes, iOS has them. Oh...and you couldn't transfer files? lol...my god. All you have to do is plug the phone in or use ftp. Wow...just wow.
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Give me examples of iOS widgets then.
And you can ftp to an iphone? or ftp from an iphone to another box?
Give a link to a video demonstrating this.
- Frank

system.img said:
2) file managers iOS has that Not without voiding your warranty with jailbreak. And it is not as extensive as the ones on Android
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I think it is still valid to include (perhaps in a separate list) what is possible with a jailbroken phone, just as I'd include stuff possible on android with a rooted phone. I suppose custom rom territory is getting a bit much, since technically anything is possible with a custom rom.
So some further questions:
My crude research says there are file transfer tools on IOS, but it's not direct. You can only send 'supported' file formats , so it goes through some sort of proxy. correct?

ChodTheWacko said:
I think it is still valid to include (perhaps in a separate list) what is possible with a jailbroken phone, just as I'd include stuff possible on android with a rooted phone. I suppose custom rom territory is getting a bit much, since technically anything is possible with a custom rom.
So some further questions:
My crude research says there are file transfer tools on IOS, but it's not direct. You can only send 'supported' file formats , so it goes through some sort of proxy. correct?
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Did you mean that you only want the answers to be about what can be done on an unjailbroken iPhone? Or did I misunderstand?
iTunes file transfer is of course massively limited, you can only send supported formats through there. But if you're jailbroken and send things through SSH for example, you can send anything you desire.

Kiahnlliya said:
Well I can share my thoughts after spending a year with the iPhone 4 as my main mobile device.
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Well, that is quite insightful - thank you very much.
I'll be updating my first post when I have time to go through your post more and the relevant links.
- Frank

Kiahnlliya said:
Did you mean that you only want the answers to be about what can be done on an unjailbroken iPhone? Or did I misunderstand?
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You didn't misunderstand - my question wasn't well formed.
To be honest, I hadn't thought that far.
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm basically trying to understand the differences between iOS and Android.
That way, if I recommend a phone (to others, or myself), I can make an informed decision based on their needs and style.
So I think it's useful to know what Androidian things aren't possible on stock iOS.
And also useful, for the more adventurous/tolerant folk, to know what's possible on a jailbroken iOS, or other unorthodox means.
- Frank

ChodTheWacko said:
As I mentioned in my first post, I'm basically trying to understand the differences between iOS and Android.
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By the way, when you have time, you should check out this video series highlighting the differences between iOS and Android: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMiY1kSTHZw
It's in five parts. VERY enlightening, well worth watching. When I still had my iPhone and was starting to feel like it was time to move back to Android, those videos really opened my eyes and helped me make my decision.