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Will we be seeing leak of Windows Phone7 like WinMo6.5.3?

Just as the question, im not quite sure how builds of the mobile OS are leaked such as the 6.5.3 builds but do we expect to see something similar with WinMo7?
Reason I ask is because of all the secrecy and app lockdown so im not sure if the OEMS (which is where i presume leaks occure) would be getting it before december like us either.

I hope so

Probably not. Looks like it is very device-specific, so even if we did get it early, nobody would have a phone which would run it

looks like its just an app .

Dont remember anywhere in the keynote where it says it would be device specific, i just want to get this working on my HD2

There are other interviews about with the guy showing it off now, he has said that its going to be on multiple devices, some oled, some lcd, some with slide out keyboard, some not. And it specifically supports lots of current processors so hopefully will work soon with a leak

I too would love it to hear someone knowledgeable hazard a guess as to when we might have this running on our HD2's.

Maybe this is just wishful thinking... but i hope it can run on the Touch Pro 2....

Same here on Touch Pro 2. Although OpenGL processors are different in TP2 and HD2, I hope it might be possible to port the OS when HD2 rom is released.

tp2....not going to happen. its obvious microsoft is navigating away from the old hardware that the tp2 uses, they mention it coutless times, although as they states, wm6.5 will be around for u guys

Microsoft is dictating the hardware that WinMo/Phone/Series 7 can run on, and (I'm not sure if this is rumor or confirmed) it looks like a capacitive screen will be required.
Now, if that's the case, someone might be able to hack it onto a TP2 or something like that, but it seems as though the most likely candidate for an upgrade to WinPhone 7 is the HD2.

I dont think we will be seeing leaks.
Microsoft was able to keep something like WP7S quiet for soooooo long, I HIGHLY doubt they would have a hard time keeping their software on lock.

simranjits said:
looks like its just an app .
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This is just a stupid post.

Maedhros said:
I dont think we will be seeing leaks.
Microsoft was able to keep something like WP7S quiet for soooooo long, I HIGHLY doubt they would have a hard time keeping their software on lock.
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I think your wrong, I just want to know when the OS will be given to developers as that is when it will leak, if you listened to Steve Balmer right at the start he says they are announcing WP7 before the leaks occur.

It will leak. It will leak when developers and testers get some devices. And when that is, I dont know

wm7 will be customized by every brand (it's not true that it doesn't support branded UI). so, every brand needs to develop UI on w7. leaked soon.

Game over, Microsoft said HD2 is not upgradeable to WP7S

http://apcmag.com/microsoft-no-windows-phone-7-upgrade-for-windows-mobile-6x-devices.htm
Owners of HTC’s highly-praised HD2 touchscreen smartphone will be unable to upgrade the device to Microsoft’s new Windows Phone 7 software when the OS is released towards the end of the year.
Despite the HD2 meeting many of the criteria laid down in Microsoft’s ‘Chassis 1’ spec – including a 1GHz Qualcomm processor, high-res capacitive touch display, 5 megapixel camera and 3.5mm headphone jack – the phone will be ruled out for the simple reason that it has five buttons instead of the three mandated for all Windows Phone 7 devices.
That’s the official line from Microsoft, at any rate. Natasha Kwan, General Manager for Microsoft’s Mobile Communications Business in the Asia-Pacific region, told APC that the HD2 “doesn’t qualify because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
At least officially, but un-officially I would bet that some gurus from XDA-dev will make it happen ... when the WP7S is available end of this year. They should be able to get the ROM and port it to HD2. That's my feeling.
And there is still hope this will be negated on the next MIX10 .... Microsoft will say "That's not true, HD2 is upgradeable to WP7S and here is the beta ROM you can put and test"

This .. its just... don't have words 4 this..
Now its all up to the devs..

That well and truly Sux ....
But i have very little to worry about
We're at XDA's !!!!!!!!

gogol said:
At least officially, but un-officially I would bet that some gurus from XDA-dev will make it happen ... when the WP7S is available end of this year. They should be able to get the ROM and port it to HD2. That's my feeling.
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Well, as has been pointed out in many other threads, producing a cooked ROM based on a new CE kernel is a completely different proposition from porting between different versions of WM5 and 6. Whether we see a cooked HD2 ROM based on WP7 is pretty much entirely dependent on three things:
1) There needs to be a beta WP7 ROM for the HD2 produced by Microsoft and/or HTC. (Evidence that this exists is strong, but not absolutely conclusive).
2) The beta version has to be recent enough that there is no change to the driver architecture between it and the released version.
3) The beta has to be leaked.
IMO, the last of those is not by any means guaranteed this time round.

I hardly think that because the HD2 has 2 extra buttons this would prevent WP7S from running on it! Seriously, who are they trying to kid?

Hmm, there's some more stuff in the linked article that the original poster doesn't quote:
There could be more to this than just the sin of having two buttons too many, however: Tony Wilkinson, Business Operations Director for Microsoft Australia, told APC that “there are some hardware components that the HD doesn’t have”.
We’re not sure what those are because Microsoft has not revealed its complete recipe for Windows Phone 7 devices – that’s due to take place at this month’s MIX developer conference in Las Vegas – but we’ve heard that a pixel-pushing graphics chip might be on the checklist.
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Assuming that it's not just a matter of buttons, I'd say that makes even an unofficial HD2 port a bit less likely, but we'll see.

Completely understood.
We could wait that ROM anyway, whether leaked or come from official WP7S phone later this year or God knows where.
There are many amazing things which were unthinkable done by XDA devs here. They just too many to mention here ... HTC Kaiser missing drivers, WM6.5 on <insert HTC devices>, Android on WM, etc.
Even if it could not be done, but having HOPE is not a bad thing ...
However, certainly, this could potentially put a halt on HD2 sales.
Shasarak said:
Well, as has been pointed out in many other threads, producing a cooked ROM based on a new CE kernel is a completely different proposition from porting between different versions of WM5 and 6. Whether we see a cooked HD2 ROM based on WP7 is pretty much entirely dependent on three things:
1) There needs to be a beta WP7 ROM for the HD2 produced by Microsoft and/or HTC. (Evidence that this exists is strong, but not absolutely conclusive).
2) The beta version has to be recent enough that there is no change to the driver architecture between it and the released version.
3) The beta has to be leaked.
IMO, the last of those is not by any means guaranteed this time round.
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Ruudfood said:
I hardly think that because the HD2 has 2 extra buttons this would prevent WP7S from running on it! Seriously, who are they trying to kid?
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It could certainly be enough to prevent an official WP7 upgrade for the HD2, and we now have word from an actual Microsoft representative which suggeststhat this is indeed the case.
That reminds me, where's Freyberry? He owes a number of people a grovelling apology for insulting them when they suggested that the buttons on the HD2 might have an impact on WP7 availability....
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Even if it could not be done, but having HOPE is not a bad thing ...
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Having hope is a bad thing if anyone buys an HD2 because of that hope, only to have it proven unrealistic.
gogol said:
We could wait that ROM anyway, whether leaked or come from official WP7S phone later this year or God knows where.
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A ROM from an official WP7S phone almost certainly wouldn't be adequate. Unless every single hardware component in it is identical to the HD2, you would still have no way of getting hold of the necessary drivers. So if, say, the camera in this phone wasn't the same as the one in the HD2, then it would be impossible to make a cooked WP7 HD2 ROM from it in which the camera works. The only way you could do it is if there is a group of official WP7S phones which between them contain every single component in the HD2 - not just the chipset but the camera, proximity sensor, touchscreen, everything.

I bet the "5 buttons" reason is a bad excuse to not having to reveal more info prior to MIX.
My guess that this reason is BS because of the announcement of LG's first WP7 phone, this is taken from the article about it on neowin:
The device sports a QWERTY slide-out keyboard as well as a touch screen and the three standard Windows Phone 7 prescribed buttons: back, home and search. Other buttons include power, camera and volume controls.
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source:
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-reveals-first-windows-phone-7-series-handset-from-lg
Obviously this phone has more buttons than the HD2 and will be running WP7.

Shasarak said:
It could certainly be enough to prevent an official WP7 upgrade for the HD2, and we now have word from an actual Microsoft representative which suggeststhat this is indeed the case.
That reminds me, where's Freyberry? He owes a number of people a grovelling apology for insulting them when they suggested that the buttons on the HD2 might have an impact on WP7 availability....
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No comment on this he he he
Shasarak said:
Having hope is a bad thing if anyone buys an HD2 because of that hope, only to have it proven unrealistic.
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You are correct, but I also said:
However, certainly, this could potentially put a halt on HD2 sales.
What I mean with hope is for "current owner" of HD2
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A ROM from an official WP7S phone almost certainly wouldn't be adequate. Unless every single hardware component in it is identical to the HD2, you would still have no way of getting hold of the necessary drivers. So if, say, the camera in this phone wasn't the same as the one in the HD2, then it would be impossible to make a cooked WP7 HD2 ROM from it in which the camera works. The only way you could do it is if there is a group of official WP7S phones which between them contain every single component in the HD2 - not just the chipset but the camera, proximity sensor, touchscreen, everything.
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Fully understand. But do you think all the hardware components would be exactly different?
Learning from past experience, most if not all past devices still have the same hardware components. That's why XDA can still port WM6.5 to some of old devices.
Why would suddenly the hardware is now totally differents?
Even if it is new hardware component, I would think it will be backward compatible with the old hardware.
Well, it could be that the new OS requires to use "new drivers format" for that "old hardware" (HD2) ...
That is quite obvious.
So, either the new WP7S devices are still using most the same hardware components, which means the WP7S drivers will be somehow backward compatible with old hardware.
Or, some super clever XDA dev will create new drivers for HD2 using new device driver format of WP7S. This sounds impossible, but .... who knows?

I won't believe any article until MIX. Especially an article which doesn't mention the HD2 in the quote
I see the words "current phones" and "HD", but no HD2 in there. But hey, I'm clutching at straws now really!
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Or, some super clever XDA dev will create new drivers for HD2 using new device driver format of WP7S. This sounds impossible, but .... who knows?
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New kernel, relatively new architecture will mean that it will be effectively like porting HD2 to Android...only with zero documentation.

reverse-engineering drivers? just look at the problems present in android-development... ^^ the problem is you need exact (!) specifications of the hardware to start with - and that's closed-source. even after that it's not easy.
but even IF some magician would pull this off, i have learned one thing with the x1: not having an official firmware adapted to the OS you want to use deprives you of a stable base, it will always be patchwork at best. (and i'm talking 6.1 -> 6.5 here, where the difference isn't that big)

I was going to buy a touch hd2 for 425 off craigslist with the complete idea that this phone would be wp7s. Seeing that it won't has left me stay with my reliable tp2...
its a shame actually I wanted the hd2 to be wp7s for obvious reasons

If this is true I will sell my hd2 soon!
I mean the buttons... its nothing but a lie, its not the true reason!
They could have told more early that the HD2 wont get an upgrade they just didnt because they want to sell it!
Then the "russian twitter" thing was only marketing to sell a phone with dead OS..
But I still don't realy believe this.. windows [email protected] told that "there 'may' be information next month".. well it is " next month" but the hd2 wasnt mentioned directly as far as I can see..
Cheers

If the buttons are the culprit, I bet the problem isn't the extra buttons, but lack of the Search button. Sure the Home one could be remapped, but what about consistency, ease of use for consumers etc.?

Blade0rz said:
I won't believe any article until MIX. Especially an article which doesn't mention the HD2 in the quote
I see the words "current phones" and "HD", but no HD2 in there. But hey, I'm clutching at straws now really!
New kernel, relatively new architecture will mean that it will be effectively like porting HD2 to Android...only with zero documentation.
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Agreed, it looks like nothing is set in stone yet:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010...-because-of-hardware-buttons-dont-be-so-sure/

chris5932 said:
I mean the buttons... its nothing but a lie, its not the true reason!
They could have told more early that the HD2 wont get an upgrade they just didnt because they want to sell it!
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That would be a good reason for HTC not to offer the upgrade, but I don't see how Microsoft sells more WP7 licences by not allowing the HD2 to be upgraded. From Microsoft's perspective what matters is getting an absolutely consistent look-and-feel across all WP7 phones. So I find it plausible that Microsoft might refuse to sell HTC any licences to install WP7 on HD2's, given the lack of a search button.

I'm not giving up hope yet though. They've already announced the button requirement. If the HD2 was going to be disqualified for this reason why not say so? I don't think this is over. She's all the way on the other side of the planet from Redmond and most likely less 'in the know' just for this reason. Just this Saturday a much more knowledgeable MS rep said 'Wait for MIX' in regards to the HD2 getting an upgrade.
The statement leads me to believe that the MS rep in a far flung region is just interpreting the 3 button requirement to automatically mean that MS won't allow any current devices to get the upgrade and not them having actual info that the HD2 will specifically not get the upgrade. That and MS will need to get some sort of hardware in devs hands before official availability. An emulator is nice and all but real hardware is key. The HD2 is supposedly launching here in the States right after MIX. Coincidence? Maybe I'm just grasping at straws but fingers crossed nonetheless.
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Well, as has been pointed out in many other threads, producing a cooked ROM based on a new CE kernel is a completely different proposition from porting between different versions of WM5 and 6. Whether we see a cooked HD2 ROM based on WP7 is pretty much entirely dependent on three things:
1) There needs to be a beta WP7 ROM for the HD2 produced by Microsoft and/or HTC. (Evidence that this exists is strong, but not absolutely conclusive).
2) The beta version has to be recent enough that there is no change to the driver architecture between it and the released version.
3) The beta has to be leaked.
IMO, the last of those is not by any means guaranteed this time round.
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I think you're making some assumptions that aren't fair to make at this point in time. If the hardware is nearly identical to the HD2 (which it will be) why would it need an entirely new bootloader as compared to other WP7 devices? #2 (and therefore 3 as well) doesn't even make sense as they're developing this on CE. It's not like they're going to change CE versions mid-dev. The driver architecture won't change. MS has stated that they're doing all the driver dev, not the OEMs. As long as the HD2 matches the chassis specs, there's no reason it will need different drivers. The only thing that concerns me is the bootloader as it's my understanding that it's unique per device and likely a WM6 bootloader won't be able to boot WP7.

Shasarak said:
That would be a good reason for HTC not to offer the upgrade, but I don't see how Microsoft sells more WP7 licences by not allowing the HD2 to be upgraded. From Microsoft's perspective what matters is getting an absolutely consistent look-and-feel across all WP7 phones. So I find it plausible that Microsoft might refuse to sell HTC any licences to install WP7 on HD2's, given the lack of a search button.
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Well I agree with most ppl here.. lets just wait til MIX..
There are severall things said that fight each other!
MS:"info for hd2 may next month","no upgrade for WinM 6.X phones"
HTC:"HD2 is able to run WP7's",
HTC twitter:"HD2 will get an upgrade" ..
I think the chances are still as before the article but make ur own guess.
Cheers

I wonder if microsoft is using some sort of qualcomm system on chip like there new MSM7x30 soc. As microsoft is only letting snapdragon devices, im sure they have a certain gpu that they have to use so the performance is the same on all handsets. so a SOC would make sense and that might be why the hd2 does not meet the specs.
Also i dont think the hd2 has 4 point multi touch.
Also i think microsoft wont let them upgrade as they wont 3 buttons only on the front so to let the hd2 have a upgrade on to wm7 makes a mockery of wm7 requirements.

Im so done with wm and my hd2...

Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time

Maybe next time, punctuation. Maybe next time...
Personally, I'm in the 'Buy a phone for what it can do now, not what I hope it might be able to do in the future' school of thought.
Sure, no WP7 is a disappointment, but if you own an HD2 (as I did for a while), you got what was being promised. For me, it was the lack of a keyboard that made me get a TP2, but the HD2 is still one helluva phone.

No announcement has been made. I'm gonna laugh if the HD2 ends up getting an update.

bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms

I would be glad to take your HTC HD2 off your hands

The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)

RAMMANN said:
The forum would be way better without such threads. But on the flip side it's funny to see how stupid some people are (sorry but it's the truth)
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Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)

kel16harris said:
bye bye cry baby, i swear you guys crack me up. how can you be upset when you bought the phone without anything being announced if you bought it because YOU THOUGHT it was getting an update thats your own fault, ms didnt tell you ANYTHING. and the hd2 is gonna have wp7s soon enough, maybe not officially but who cares, custom roms>>>>>>official roms
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It's not so much the lack of an upgrade that's the problem, it's the combination of that plus WP7 being incompatible with Windows Mobile software. That's one thing nobody was predicting a few months ago, and it means that there is no longer any reason for a commercial software company to continue working on any Windows Mobile project - see, for example, Adobe's decision to scrap FlashPlayer on WinMo.
To say "your phone won't get an OS upgrade" is one thing, but to say "your phone won't get an upgrade, and incidentally we also neglected to mention that your phone's current OS would cease to be a viable platform for commercial software about three months after you buy it" is something else.
And it is not by any means certain that there will be custom ROMs based on WP7.

leeuwtjevanjuda said:
Indeed. Im mad they are not releasing Iphone OS to my HD2.
(eventually the chefs will be making a version for the HD2, so come on.)
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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.

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I doubt it. The reason chefs have been able to make WM6.5 for older devices is because it is still based off of the same kernel as 5.0-6.1. If you are familiar with cooking ROMs for older devices, you would realize that we are still using 6.0 drivers on all of these 6.5 ROMs. Once the kernel changes, however, those drivers will most-likely be useless.
And yeah, buying the HD2 probably wasn't the best idea.
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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.

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It's also possible to run 6.5 on the Himalaya, which is originally based on PPC 2003 = different wince kernel.
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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x

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But the Himalaya still got WM5, so that still means it got WinCE 5.2 kernel one way or another. Once it got a 5.2 kernel, it can run anything from WM5 all the way up to WM6.5.x
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alright that finally explains it. Didn't know they got an official WM5 release.

The HTC HD2 is an impressive device even without WP7 As for upgrading it, there will be a debate but, they will chose to release a HD3 instead. Feel free to sign the petition though,lol http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/

http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1

I'm quite on the contrary
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.

it's so true ....
chassit said:
Ironically a handful of days ago I made similar decision. Except for that I was really, really pissed off by Android and decided to switch back to WinMo. So I got a HD2.
Now I'm (again) having:
- The capability to play almost every media format on my phone
- *REAL* GPS navigation suites
- Serious, polished, and visually attractive games, by lots
- Proper tool to manage my personal (2 of them) and business mail accounts, with attachment, reply record and everything
- Excellent applications to read *AND EDIT* Word and Excel files. It's vital to have this as a translator who frequently has to work on-the-go.
- PDB, PRC, CHM, LIT, TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, HTML, PDF in short, whatever document format I may need to read. And the tools to do this are generally extremely polished
- The freedom of setting the phone on true mute mode once and for all, unlike on certain idiot OS where you set the thing on mute, all system notifications get silenced, while everything else from media player to games continue to sing how ever loud it likes
And what I no long have:
- Don't have to pick from a thousand not so different but frequently buggy cooked ROMs
- Don't have to flash my phone like once per week to keep up with new version of cooked ROM franchise
- Don't have to comb through 10K apps, filter 90% of them (crapware swarm), and pray "God give me some actually useful app please, amen"
Anyway, I'm not sure why so many people chanting around "Android is much, much by the outdated WinMo". I believe that the value of a smartphone is reflected by what it can achieve. WinMo so far is still much better than Android on satisfying my professional and entertainment needs. Yep its UI is no match for Android's (at least less colorful). But I can't care less about that. Beautiful or not, get the job done first.
As to WP7 update. Well, I'm having great faith on XDA. Even if Microsoft and HTC decide to screw HD2 owners big time, chances are pretty good the magnificent young men (and women) here can make an unofficial update happen. It doesn't really matter for me if this is not happening. Right now I'm having everything I need already, and I'm happy. WP7 is only a plus.
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+1
That’s what comes to my mind when I think Windows Mobile vs. Android
Actually I really don't care if Windows Phone 7 doesn’t get an "official" release for HD2.... Its current state is a "Solid Windows Mobile 6.5 PocketPC" which is exactly what was intended for it to be.

enjoy your little crappy java machine LOL that'll show em.

nucentury08 said:
Im done guys with Wm my Hd2 is up for sale no update for hardware that can run Wp7 they can have wp7 my hd2 is up for sale and i just picked up my new Nexus one just flashed the new HTC Desire Rom running at 1.3GHZ Im happy Hello Android mabey next time WM mabey next time
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"mabey" go to school and learn to spell next time? Just as a suggestion..

For Sale
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL

leba837 said:
My Xperia X1 is for sale as I have found out that it won't run Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition. Im also going to buy a Nexus One as it has a better chance of running Windows Mobile Phone 8.1 Service Pack 3 Turbo Edition first! LOL
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I PM'd you with my offer

I Want Windows Phone 7 on my TP2 D:!

ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
this is the facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/We-want-Windows-Phone-7-on-Our-Htc-Touch-Pro-2-NOW/162988837078172?v=wall

Let's start making noise!!!

atomiq said:
ME WANT D:
mine is a tmobile one
ME WANT ME WANT D:!!!
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it is good to want. one always desires what they cant have.
sh4d0w86.

The best you can get on a Touch Pro2 is a Windows 7 theme, which can be had from all over the site. One appeared on the frontpage recently, I believe. Neither Microsoft nor any other company will ever release an official update for this device to bring it to Windows 7. There are hardware requirements for the operating system that the Rhodium does not meet. The two biggest ones being the lack of a 1GHz processor and a capacitive touch screen. Without those two components, this operating system will never, ever make its way to the Rhodium platform. Your best bet will be to get the HTC 7 Pro when it makes its way into retail stores. This is basically the TP2 with the hardware requirements for WP7.

i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).

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i know but they could make a Lite version for us at least, and work with what we have, i'm sure something can be done. i'm so tired of wm 6.5 and the slugishness, and crappy apps for wm, perfect example the facebook app, we dont even have an official app of pandora etc etc. when i tried the Xdandroid it felt so different, smoother and faster (even without the cancerous overclock).
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You're missing the point. The UI isn't too heavy for us. There are hard coded requirements in the OS. If the device doesn't meet them, it will not run. The OS will not function without a capacitive touch screen, 1 GHz processor, or a minimum of 8GB of storage. You are asking for the impossible here. The other matter is with the SD cards. WP7 bonds the SD card to the device in a sort of RAID 0 array. This means you would have to hard reset your device anytime you removed the SD card. That's why the WP7 devices hide the SD cards from the user. This isn't a matter of the company not paying attention to its customers, it simply isn't possible for them to put this OS on our devices. The only WM6 device that is even capable of running WP7 is the HD2.
It's rumored that the HTC 7Pro should be out next quarter. Maybe you should just wait for that. It's basically the TP2 with the specs needed for running WP7.

I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.

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I don't really think the hardware is the problem
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You have any actual knowledge/facts to back that up? Just saying something doesn't make it so. I think its been pointed out on these forums that WP7 is written for a different ARM processor than older WM versions.
And the poll choices are dumb. Not wanting something that is impossible and will never happen does not make one a conformist.

hahaha, its as if developers are Santa Clause or something. Maybe if your good enough, one of them will provide us with a perfect android/winmo 6.5 and 7 SUPER port! Ya know, because of course the newest technology can be put on 2 year old phones.... its just that the the darn DEVELOPERS are tooo LAZY!!!
hopefully it is the sarcasm is noted.
Before you start saying "i want, I want"
maybe you should study your device and the software/hardware it came with. Its actually good to do these things BEFORE you buy the device. you see, i have a touchpro2 as well, and it is indeed the perfect device for my needs. and though it aint an EVO, i wouldnt define it as sluggish. but I guess you just have to know how to use your equipment if you want it to work right.

and i like how the "no, im conformist" vote is winning.
bro....maybe you should just get an iphone or something. i dont wanna see you ruin perfectly good htc devices.

Well, I mean, if you guys want to get completely rewrite WP7 for the Rhodium's processor, go for it! As has been said before, system requirements are not met and the actual OS is written for a different kind of processor. WP7 will never be more then a idea for our phones unfortunately. Rhods' processors are only around half of what WP7 needs bare minimum, and at most can be OC'd to 768 mb/ 787mb, about 3/4 of the minimum. Aside from the lack of the ram, space, hardware support, and really just any basis to go on, it should be easy to port. Not.
Hate to sound like a pessimist or a jerk, but before you guys go around talking about how you think it's not a hardware problem or that "someone could do it", maybe you should read up on the idea.
And before anyone asks, WP7 was ported to the HD2 because an HD2 and an HD7 are, from what I heard, almost identical hardware wise. Plus, the HD2 met the running hardware requirements.

UstesGreenridge said:
I don't really think the hardware is the problem, I think they dont want to take the time to figure out how to get wp7 (basically titatinium on steriods) to work on 6.5 devices.
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Crap in one hand and wish in the other. See which one fills up faster.

Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...

DavidinCT said:
Mods this thread should be closed...
I have a touch pro 2, and I know deep down inside that it's crappy CPU (that was outdated when the phone was new) would not be able to handle Windows Phone 7.
Anyone who says it's not the hardware on the TP2 is 100% wrong, it's all about the hardware, CPU, memory, buttons, this is why it can't run WP7.
Even if it COULD be ported, it would be slugish and would never be as smooth as a WP7 phone. WP7 is about the experiance, what is the point if your going to put it on a a device that will not give it.
Just install this theme...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859799
It really gets as close as your going to get (look at the end of the thread, there are new updates to files) with a Touch Pro 2.
I'm one who dreams for it to work but, no one is going to re-write all that code for a old outdated disco'd phone.
If your on T-mobile, sell your TP2 and get a HD7, done...
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You know quite a bit, including how to tell the mods to do their jobs. Sounds like a Napoleon complex

Dual boot

Would be great to dual boot WP7 and android

Yes, yes it would. It will be done eventually...
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Can be done just fine already? Just need a version of android that will boot from SD.
Have a look in the Android forums, there's a tutorial there, Works just fine.

OMG. Thats Solves All My Problems.! THANK u XDA FORUM PEOPLE.

What is this thread about? I can't get it...
I've got another question: How long do you think it'll take until we see the first WP7 Custom-Roms on HTC WP7 phones? With Custom Roms I mean really modified roms and not RUU's or something like that.
Android and WP7 Dual-boot on my HD7...Wow! Would be really great. Android to play around with and WP7 as the everyday, stable OS I hope this will be realised in the near future. If it can be done on the iPhone, it can be done on WP7, too

Dual booting WP7 and Android
I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon... the SD card on a WP7 handset is not seperate from the OS. The card acts as if it is internal storage. MS doesn't allow apps to run outside (or natively) from their allocated isolated storage on WP7.
Until someone manages write a custom bootloader for a wp7 phone and can create a partition on a sd card that has already been formatted to work with a wp7 phone we are probably stuck with our fantastic wp7. hope ms opens it up real soon.
The HD2 was and still is the most flexible phone in the world!.
running wp6 android and now WP7...
if someone gets wp7 dualbooting on the HD2 then I think it is entirely possible we'll get it for our phones soon.

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I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon... the SD card on a WP7 handset is not seperate from the OS. The card acts as if it is internal storage. MS doesn't allow apps to run outside (or natively) from their allocated isolated storage on WP7.
Until someone manages write a custom bootloader for a wp7 phone and can create a partition on a sd card that has already been formatted to work with a wp7 phone we are probably stuck with our fantastic wp7. hope ms opens it up real soon.
The HD2 was and still is the most flexible phone in the world!.
running wp6 android and now WP7...
if someone gets wp7 dualbooting on the HD2 then I think it is entirely possible we'll get it for our phones soon.
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You can say everything you want, but WP6 now is old (nothing to compare with WP7, it sucks) so we don't need it anymore, memory card isn't a problem for me and also all the rest... If you are good enough, you can do anything you want on the phone (thank you xda-developers forum ).... and we are only at the beginning. HD2 is really good, nothing to say on this

the concept sounds pretty simple,.. the same as wm6. ... run a "haret" type file, from the mcsd card to boot,
now even though, the mcsd is built in on wp7, if u use the file explorer/disk drive thing 4 wp7 and copy it on, its the same as if u had taken the mcsd out.. i would think at least? for htc sounds like good news as we saw the hd2 has almost all drivers working...
someone should start an official android development thread for wp7.. its gonna get big anyway why wait for thread crapping?..