Hello to all, who can not decide yet, what DPI is better: 96 or 128.
I did two series of shots, identical with screen contents, one series with WM 6.5 build 23540 128 DPI, and second with WM 6.5 build 23544 96 DPI.
Build numbers means almost nothing in context of DPI, differs only picture#35 because of different comms managers cooked in ROMs.
So look side by side and decide, what is good or evil
My opinion is what screen of i780 is not big enough for WM 6.5. On some pictures, for example: 40, 41, you can see nasty example of UI at native 128 DPI in WM 6.5.
On the other side, 96 DPI is small... it is readable, but too small to be happy.
File located on FTP server in Riga, Latvia. Filesize is 19,069,371 bytes.
DPI_Test_SGH-i780.zip
Is not good is not bad.
I like higher resolution graphics on 128 dpi but it fits for me at 96.
i LIKE the 96 DPI !!!!!
i use the 128dpi 28232build now.
Caveat Emptor
I like 96DPI also, if ROM build does not contain any artifacts, but what i must to feel, when I installed very good-looking and useful program like Shopping List v3.10 and can see on screen only 2 items from list at once?
I say - I need to buy Samsung i8000 or HTC HD2. This solve such problem.
Or I need to pray, what somebody will port all useful programs to 96DPI for i780 square screen. Am I right?
P.S. LOL! On first screenshot there is one more tab, which does not fit screen at all - Go Shopping!, so I'm even unable to start shopping.... Definitely, I need "Go Shopping" new phone
Little bit offtopic:
Why are the objects on the display bigger in 128dpi as in 96dpi?
Afaik the objects in 128dpi has to be smaller then the 96dpi
e.g. the symbols on 800x600 are smaller the in 640x480.
Related
As i have searched on internet there is hack for Htc Athena for Vga mode.(640x480)
can this be done with some software hack for Htc Artemis someway (even virtually, only to have smaller icons on screen, and when opening Web browser to have virtual 640x480 resolution) ???
VGA = 640x480 pixels
QVGA = 320x240 pixels
You cannot make a QVGA device sudenly into VGA not possible - Mike
Athena is a vga device and the hack is to make old non vga aware programs run fullscreen
making every pixel fill out 4 pixels
artemis is a qvga device only hack it could do with vga would be to omit every other pixel
resulting it well still beig a qvga device
lcd's pixels are a spc size unlike old crt where the size of the phosper being bomb'd by the electron beam and be adjusted
lcd's cant ever make it's 320x240 display more info then 320 rows and 240 columns of colours
There is a program called ozVGA that was used for that purpose I think. I used it on my old HP Ipaq rx3715 and it worked partially. It made the fonts smaller, harder to read and a little blurry. I think in IE I could see more and that was the reason I was using it. But since there are Browsers with zoom functions I had no use for this program any more.
Be sure to make a backup before you use this tool. It messes heavily with the registry. If you aren't an expert you won't get around a hard reset if you fail.
Abt The Zoom Browser
I asked this exactly for watching bigger piece of web pages... So what browser do u thing should I use to have Zooming function.
Thanks in Advance
Opera Mini, Opera Mobile or Netfront.
Finally i found the solution for the unsharp tf3d background. Just take a .jpg picture and scale it to 480x800. Then rename it to "HomeBackground.img". Disable touchflo and then copy the file to your windows folder. Enable touchflo and tada!
w00t??? trying it right now
tried it with my current background cant see any difference.. gonna test it with some other backgrounds later
the best results are in 440x640
mine's still the same... probably because i edited the manila file for BackgroundAllTabs?
Doesn't work for me too. The background changes, but it's in the same low quality as always.
mine's still the same...
same problem here!
Verry strang. I have a dutch Rom and i can even rename a picture from 2,55Mb 6104x4448 to homebackground and the picture shows fine but lose some hight en width.
But the thing is, you can get more pixels than the screen has.
edit:
Another thing i just realised, i downloaded the wrong format in te wallpaper thread. I downloaded the thumbnails and not the picture itself. So my screen was always unsharpen with this thumbnail.
Is there no way to make the background as clear as when you preview it in photos and videos? I tried 480x800, 480x640, 440x640...nothing works.
nope 440x640 has no strech issues, but i think quality degradations depends on tflo3d itself
Anyone have the solution?
anyone solution?
It would be great to have full quality pic as background. The quality when looking the same picture on gallery is waaaay much better..
This is so weird that HTC would do this, they make a skin program that is supossed to be better than the WM standard today, and it is in my opinion, and give us the option to have our own background and make it so the background looks crap, why why why.
I would love the answer to this as well.
seal said:
and give us the option to have our own background and make it so the background looks crap, why why why..
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'Cos touchflo was originally developed for qvga (320x240) devices and was hastily ported to higher res phones.
In other words,
... a lash-up!
actually best quality 4bckg remain apply mun-rus's cab. See link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=479112
The pro of this method is same high quality of jpeg file used for home tab.
Minus are the applied modify to 1c68...manila. For new analog clocks (ex. Nisse's clocks) it was modify also same 1c68...manila.
So it dipends of u goal....
If u like to have an high quality 4bckg, then install mun_rus cab, but not install any analog clocks, because 1c68...manila is not compatible for analog clocks.
Otherwise if u don't care of any quality bckg, then u can install any analog clocks.
Thanks but we're talking about the home background's quality, not about the quality of other TF3D tab's backgrounds.
Home background's quality is poor : even an excellent jpeg in high reolsution becomes unsharp as a TF3D home's wallpaper like it was already said, that's the point
it looks like they take tf3d from diamond and put in to hd even the square's in the original background are not till bottom if you install diamond theme it will be looks the same like original theme
this is SAD !!
phone make in rush ???
Why XDA's programmator not resolve this problem?
hi,
i wanted to create my own background-theme, and this thread was very helpful:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3062019&postcount=54
(you need the Background4AllTabs "5c9aa261_manila" & "4a087e41_manila" from NisseDILLIGAF)
the problem was, i had a circle in the picture, and every time it was stretched or squashed, wrong aspect ratio, not fitting well. so i did a little research myself - pixelcounting fun.
conclusion:
1. crop your original-pic (maybe 800x480) to 700x480 (the real background size, 50 px from the top and 50 px from bottom)
2. create an new empty 512x512 file
3. resize your 700x480-pic to 512x460, squash squash squash (!)
4. paste it in the empty 512x512 on the left side(!) leaving an empty unused bar of 52px on the right side
5. do all steps from the link above to convert it for manila
nothing stretched or squashed anymore. full circles.
FINAL note:
this method works only for NisseDILLIGAF's *5c9aa261_manila* that came from the diamond. it works, but it also has the blackhole problem.
bbonzz's method (look below) works for http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3068310&postcount=60 (blackhole solution).
both have no problems with nocurtains-mod. baah, too much confusion about the manila files...
Actually the background is 480x636 (image 1), because of the top curtain hole in background4alltabs.
So, to keep the aspect ratio, what you have to do is more simple:
1) cut you 480x800 (image 2) to 480x636 (image 3) keeping 52 px from bottom (bottom bar) and 112 from top (top bar+top curtain)
2) stretch to 460x512 (image 4)
3) add a 52px transparent (or whatever: black, white... It will be invisible anyway) canvas to the right (image 5)
voilà, you have a pic for Manila Editor, and once installed on Blackstone, Manila will resize it back to the original 480x636, without distortion and without shifting a single pixel. You can verify this by using the original 480x800 as background for the home tab (image 1): switching tabs, you'll notice the image is still the same: no movements, no distortions.
do you guys have a problem with a black hole at the top of the background in sound settings on the settings tab ?
check this!
hi bbonzz,
i tried your version and it does not match. check the attachment.
manila stretched the logo and it ended up as an egg.
the best way is to compare the original (800x480) as homescreen-background against the manila version background in the other tabs. that was the game i was playing. after several try&errors i found it. the mapping-coordinates for the manila-background in my tf3d background4alltabs is 700x480. 50px less reserved for the top-taskbar and 50px less reserved for the softbutton-bar at the bottom.
manila stretches the left space of the 512x512 texture (512x460) to 700x480 perfectly and the aspect ratio of the original is back.
by the way, the black hole is still a problem, but doesn't bother me.
maybe it depends on which 5b9aa261 are you using: on my HD (with the "corrected and not the original 5b9aa261), using the same try&error way, i have the perfect fit with the 480x636 thing, as you see in the screenshot. Later i'll try with your attachment
ok, i forgot to mention that "nocurtains" is installed on my hd. maybe thats the reason why you got 636 px instead of 700 px.
4a087e41_manila
Hi sir AlecDelorean and other member can you make me a 4a087e41_manila with my attach file, thanks advanced...
please test this
hi p_elmenzo,
do yo have the 2 files from background4alltabs already installed?
if yes, here you go. don't forget to backup you original manila files.
don't blame me if something goes wrong
and please compare your original pic as background for the homescreen against the new background in the other tabs. if anything moves, or looking stretched, send me a screenshot.
4a087e41_manila
Thank you very much AlecDelorean...
Grazie Mille AlecDelorean...
4a087e41_manila
Hi, again AlecDelorean i have a small problem when i change my tab the background image has change maybe the pixel of the image.
i know, its a problem of the image-compression/conversion in manila-editor. when i have time, i add a little grain in photoshop to trick the compression-algorithm.
4a087e41_manila
Ok Thanks a lot...
here you go again
ok, did some tests. i don't know much about the converting process of the manila editor, but it seems it reduces a lot of bandwidth of the colorspace combined with very rude compression. so by example - gradients loose a lot of quality, instead of other more colorful pictures where the difference of every neighbor pixel is higher. maybe its the 3d-texture method htc is using, they try to save as much memory as they can. an interesting thing to notice (compare your screenshots with the original pic), there is an converting-process included in tf3d by itself, but only for the homescreen, when you choose an own picture for the homescreen background - tf3d crops it, adds grain and compression.
enable your background of the homescreen back to standard, because the manila-background is the background4alltabs now and you can't see the difference anymore if you switch from homescreen-tab to the others.
4a087e41_manila
Hi, AlecDelorean do you have the original file of 4a087e41_manila and 5c9aa261_manila? thanks a lot.
haha
tired of messing around with the backgrounds?
you need only one. 4a087e41_manila is a new image file for background4alltabs, 5c9aa261_manila is a script that was changed.
Hey AlecDelorean, can you do this for me as well.. Thanks!
I have just one question...
HOW do i get rid of the black curtain on top of the screen??
please please please say me how!!!
In nearest future we wont use this method. A real background for all pages done.
mun_rus said:
In nearest future we wont use this method. A real background for all pages done.
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Our saviour is back! Hope your feeling well now..
@ ArchonX
ArchonX said:
I have just one question...
HOW do i get rid of the black curtain on top of the screen??
please please please say me how!!!
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hey ArchonX,
this is the version of NoCurtains that is working for me:
Intro:
HTC's menu enhancement is very finger friendly but it also limits the number of items you can see at one time and you have to scroll down to get to the rest, which can be annoying at times.
This modification will make the items smaller so more items can fit (see screenshots).
Thanks to cybermaus for his original work on this here.
Requirements: WVGA device and you must already have large HTCMenus enhancement.
For VGA: mkucuksari made cabs here and etoy has a thread here. Thanks to them both.
UPDATE 28/01/2010
I've updated Small Menus for the latest HTC Menus version. There are no huge changes, but it does include a faster animation ratio and new grey default highlight.
I've also added matching Small Menus for Manila (Sense) - see screenshot below.
UPDATE 08/07/2009
A new version of HTC's Menu Enhancement has shown up in cooked ROMs (specifically I noticed it in Dutty's WM6.5 R4). HTC made a few changes like removing the up/down arrows completely and putting a scrollbar instead. I've updated the modifications for the new version. I haven't made a Medium size for v1.1 because the new version is already that size by default.
You must install the correct modification for your version of HTC Menus.
How to tell which version of HTC Menus you have:
New version 1.1 has a scrollbar instead of up/down arrows and the highlight is a little different. Pretty easy to spot:
HTC Menus 1.0:
HTC Menus 1.1:
For HTC Menus 1.0
There are 3 different sizes: Medium, Small and Extra small.
See the screenshot below for size comparison. The original menu size is enough to display 7 items at once. With Medium that's up to 9, Small displays 11 and Extra small 13.
Choose the size that's most comfortable for your fingers. If you're not sure which one to install: I'd recommend Small, as its probably the best fit for most.
Download for HTC Menus 1.0:
Medium
Small
ExtraSmall
For HTC Menus 1.1
There are 2 different sizes: Small and Extra Small.
See the screenshot below for size comparison. The original menu size is enough to display 9 items at once. With Small that's up to 12 and Extra Small displays 14.
Download for HTC Menus 1.1:
Small
ExtraSmall
For HTC Menus 1.1.Updated
There are 2 different sizes: Small and Extra Small.
Download for HTC Menus 1.1.Updated:
Small
ExtraSmall
For Manila Menus
The size can be adjusted from registry:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Manila\Menus.Height
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Manila\Menus.FontSize
- Default small height is 60, and default small font is 22.
Download for Manila Menus:
for Manila 2.1
for Manila 2.5
for Manila 2.5.20xx
for Manila 2.5 VGA
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c00l, always wanted to have that, thanks!
thanks alot I like it
very good ，I want it long time
THX...VEry coool
This is really A MUST HAVE. Congratulations.
Thanks. Very useful indeed.
Great! Will try right away!!
Great! Works like a charm on Dutty v3...
Very thoughtful, thanks a lot, works perfectly on Davide V5
Is it possible to change green selection color to any other?
FileFixer said:
Is it possible to change green selection color to any other?
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Yes. I can make a different colored skin. Just name the color (would be good if you can provide the exact color hex value).
Also, if anyone wants to make a custom skin for the menus the bitmaps are "HTCMenus.bmp" and "HTCMenus_mask.bmp" located in \Windows. I attached them below for convenience.
Thank you... I will be edit this pictures in Photoshop to make my favorite color.
Regards.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=1375656
thank you...waiting for this
must have, you make it possible, thanks
bookmarked1
Great!
I like it very much!tks
hey Co0kieMonster,
this is excellent, great work!
Question (request really), anyway you could make another one of these that's a median between the this one and the stock one (aka, slightly bigger than the one you made, but smaller than the original). I agree that stock is too big, but I'm 6'4" (2m) so I have big hands/fingers and yours is just a tad small for me. Totally understand if you can't or don't feel like.
Thanks!
Svegetto, see if this one is a better fit.
9 items are displayed at once so it's right between the original large menus (7 items) and the small menus (11 items).
Two more sizes are also possible: with 8 or 10 items, so I can tweak it a bit more in case this one's too small or large.
Co0kieMonster said:
Svegetto, see if this one is a better fit.
9 items are displayed at once so it's right between the original large menus (7 items) and the small menus (11 items).
Two more sizes are also possible: with 8 or 10 items, so I can tweak it a bit more in case this one's too small or large.
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This is perfect. Much thanks!!
Hi Co0kieMonster,
i'm totally happy with this mod, makes my life alot easier .... but
my fingers could easily use an even smaller size ... would it be possible to have 13 items?
making it user-adjustable would of course rock too
Hey All!
Have used search many many times, and tried searching Google, but can't find any result!!!
I have tried many Shell UI programs like ThrottleLauncher, Wisbar Advance, PointUI and SPB MobileShell. Of all these, SPB seems the most polished.
Whilst these apps manage to hide the ancientness that is WindowsMobile 6.1, it doesn't allow you to skin the scrollbars, buttons or dropdown menus. Can anyone think of a way to do this? Maybe something that does the same job as PalmRevolt does on Palm OS?
Surely it'd be a case of finding a program that can replace some icons / settings in the Windows Directory...
I'm keeping SPB Mobileshell too.. Its just that I'm resigning to the fact that I'll be stuck with WinMo6.1 on my Palm Treo Pro for quite some time!
Thanks all!
I'm still going to use SPB, but thought this woud
dr3wster said:
Hey All!
Have used search many many times, and tried searching Google, but can't find any result!!!
I have tried many Shell UI programs like ThrottleLauncher, Wisbar Advance, PointUI and SPB MobileShell. Of all these, SPB seems the most polished.
Whilst these apps manage to hide the ancientness that is WindowsMobile 6.1, it doesn't allow you to skin the scrollbars, buttons or dropdown menus. Can anyone think of a way to do this? Maybe something that does the same job as PalmRevolt does on Palm OS?
Surely it'd be a case of finding a program that can replace some icons / settings in the Windows Directory...
I'm keeping SPB Mobileshell too.. Its just that I'm resigning to the fact that I'll be stuck with WinMo6.1 on my Palm Treo Pro for quite some time!
Thanks all!
I'm still going to use SPB, but thought this woud
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Using a resource editor, it is possible to skin almost everything. It's just a bunch of dlls, exes and registry entries. I use PE Explorer and it's great and very powerful, but it does cost quite a bit of money..
dwizzy130
No unfortunately its not possible. At most you can alter themes, as I am sure you already know. The only other thing you can do is change the size of the scroll bars in the registry, and if you set their width to 0, they disappear... A setting like 2, makes them thin enough that they indicate where you are, but can't really be used.
Apart from that, you already have the right idea with SPB, Point UI, etc. You may want to know that PointUI hides more of the oem interface with the pay version and will be adding a dialer among other things in the next update. You did not mention Manilla... I don't use it b/c I just don't have the time to deal with new ROM bugs, but nonetheless it does the best the best job at hiding winmo, and has the most skinned elements...
EDIT: Just read the above post... I guess it is possible.
OK, decided to add some addtional stuff
Altering WM menu system and Dialogs
Try this program
FingerSuite
or
Try the extracted HTC Menu app
or
Edit the Menu Font size registry key for a less pretty effect, but it means one less program to install.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\gwe\menu\popfnt
and change the value for the "Ht" entry to "1000" decimal (from 1200).
play around with 800, 900, and 1000 and see which suits your personal preference
Modifying Scroll Bars
Change the thickness of scrollbars
To change the thickness of the scrollbars at the right/bottom of documents larger than the screen, adjust...
For the horizontal (bottom) scrollbar:
HKLM\System\GWE\cyHScr = 9 (DWORD decimal)
For the vertical (right) scrollbar:
HKLM\System\GWE\cxVScr = 9 (DWORD decimal)
The default thickness is 13. You can set the value to anything you may like
Change the length of scrollbar arrow buttons
To go with changing the thickness of the scrollbars, you may wish to change the length of the scrollbar arrow buttons...
For the horizontal (bottom) scrollbar arrows:
HKLM\System\GWE\cyVScr = 0 (DWORD decimal)
For the vertical (right) scrollbar:
HKLM\System\GWE\cxHScr = 0 (DWORD decimal)
The default length is 13. You can set the value to pretty much anything you like
Found another useful app for handling scroll bar color, background colors ect.
UITweaker
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411197
Further down in that thread someone gives this link which seems usefulhttp://mobile-sg.com/software/?platform=ppc
Hmm, real pity nothing can be done to skin those ugly looking scrollbars, eventhough SPB or any other software will beautify the look as well as experience of using the device, the scrollbars will still leave a signature stating "I am the ugly looking WM 6.1"
I just recently flashed SNN Diamond on my Wizard and I'm loving it so far but I do have one caveat. When I put a customized background on my today/home, the drop-down start menu adopts the same image as its background. I don't want my drop-down start menu to have a background image, I'd prefer it to be a plain color. How do I change it? You would think that this is a simple thing to do but I have been at it for a day, still no luck. Any ideas guys?