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Which Program to use?
Spb backup?
Sprite backup?
Which one restores perfect backups on WM06?
NAdavi
Sunnysoft Backup Manager
http://www.sunnysoft.cz/software.php?idarticle=245
Have you tested it over WM06?
It works fine in Hermes WM6
qyach said:
It works fine in Hermes WM6
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ok
i will try.
Thanks
NAdavi
ok i have a question here.. now that i forsee we're going to be in a ROM flashing frenzy for a while, i don't want to manually reinstall everything everytime. So i used sunnysoft backup, but i didn't back up the registry (obviously some programs and settings aren't backed up) cause i figured some of the patches that are being released in newer ROM versions are registry tweaks..
so if i restore a backed up registry, won't there be a chance that it negates the registry tweak in the newer version?
thanks..
I'm no expert, but to my mind, if you want to back up your device and be able to restore it to the same state, you must include the registry in the backup.
When I try to install it says: Please install ActiveSync !! However I have ActiveSync 4.5 installed, any ideas or a CAB file??
Cheers
aZooZa said:
I'm no expert, but to my mind, if you want to back up your device and be able to restore it to the same state, you must include the registry in the backup.
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yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...
someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?
racerx_ said:
yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...
someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?
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While I think most will agree that the cleanest method is to reinstall all apps after a hard reset/rom upgrade, Sprite does have an option for backing up your system before a rom upgrade...personally I don't do it.
racerx_ said:
yeah i understand that.. what i'm asking is if a full backup (of registry and all) will really work, when i'm restoring it on an updated ROM. Cause that updated ROM would presumably have updated registry values.. then i'd be restoring some old registry values on top of it, etc...
someone have some thoughts on this? or what's worked and what hasn't?
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Absolutely!
An example. I performed a full SPB backup after installing everthing onto mUn's wm6 rom the otherday. Then lvsw released his. So i installed his ROM, tested it a bit and activesync etc worked fine. Then I installed the backup (including registry) from mUn's rom and it changed a lot of things. removed some programs, etc. The activesync was not working anymore, just like on mUn's rom. Basically a full backup replaces all the folders including windows folder, so all software loaded into the ROM will be deleted and replaced. For some reason they dont try and merge the folders. Anyway. My point is that it is a very messy way to do things to install a full registry backup on a new updated ROM. It is absolutely fine on the same rom, and my backup proved very time-saving when I moved back to mUn's.
thanks for that.. just what i was wondering..
so, on a totally separate thought (hope it's ok to post here), does anyone know how to extract cab files from installers.. cause some of my programs only have windows .exe files.. it would speed up the re-instatement of my pda if i had everything on cab files, since a full backup isn't gonna do it.
racerx_ said:
thanks for that.. just what i was wondering..
so, on a totally separate thought (hope it's ok to post here), does anyone know how to extract cab files from installers.. cause some of my programs only have windows .exe files.. it would speed up the re-instatement of my pda if i had everything on cab files, since a full backup isn't gonna do it.
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On your PC go to: Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync.
So basically I understand that to make a backup of the programs to be used on a newer WM6 rom, I would need to backup also the registry of the current rom, but this by itself can lead to preserving bugs in the current ROM.
Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier?? I'm interested mostly in backing up the SKYSCAPE medical appplications I currently have installed. Some of these apps are 50MB sized, and it takes lots of time to install them. Is there a way to backup these programs that do not affect essential functions (like phone, today screen)??
Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier??
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look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1251367&postcount=1
SPB POCKET BACKUP 1.6
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?en
Should support WM06.
Nadavi
KamaL said:
So basically I understand that to make a backup of the programs to be used on a newer WM6 rom, I would need to backup also the registry of the current rom, but this by itself can lead to preserving bugs in the current ROM.
Is there a way other than installing cab files, to make this easier?? I'm interested mostly in backing up the SKYSCAPE medical appplications I currently have installed. Some of these apps are 50MB sized, and it takes lots of time to install them. Is there a way to backup these programs that do not affect essential functions (like phone, today screen)??
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Kamal- unfortunately you can't restore any Skyscape products after a ROM update, because the Device ID changes each time (unlike Mobipocket/Handheldmed, where the PID stays the same). You can get new reg codes via the Skyscape website, but it is better to do a full reinstall of the Reader application each time. The basic Data folder (which is the large one, as you say) will remain on the SD card whatever the ROM state.
So, you are back to square one, in that you shouldn't apply a Restore after a ROM update, unless you are just reinstalling the same ROM version. Restores only restore the contents of the Storage memory- they don't affect files in ROM (ie a restore prompts a soft reset, not a hard reset)
The Sprite ROM update option is buggy and difficult to execute. You have to take an image of the device before the ROM update, then do the update, then run another program which compares the contents of the current ROM and the previous Backup, then supposedly only updates the changed files, ignoring the new ones. But reports I've seen suggest this is flakey at best, and that the contents of messaging folders gets corrupted.
If you are taking the trouble to do a ROM update, presumably to improve performance, it is better to do a full reinstall of your apps using cab files, or ActiveSync Add/Remove (except Skyscape products )
NeilM said:
Kamal- unfortunately you can't restore any Skyscape products after a ROM update, because the Device ID changes each time (unlike Mobipocket/Handheldmed, where the PID stays the same). You can get new reg codes via the Skyscape website, but it is better to do a full reinstall of the Reader application each time. The basic Data folder (which is the large one, as you say) will remain on the SD card whatever the ROM state.
So, you are back to square one, in that you shouldn't apply a Restore after a ROM update, unless you are just reinstalling the same ROM version. Restores only restore the contents of the Storage memory- they don't affect files in ROM (ie a restore prompts a soft reset, not a hard reset)
The Sprite ROM update option is buggy and difficult to execute. You have to take an image of the device before the ROM update, then do the update, then run another program which compares the contents of the current ROM and the previous Backup, then supposedly only updates the changed files, ignoring the new ones. But reports I've seen suggest this is flakey at best, and that the contents of messaging folders gets corrupted.
If you are taking the trouble to do a ROM update, presumably to improve performance, it is better to do a full reinstall of your apps using cab files, or ActiveSync Add/Remove (except Skyscape products )
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Thanks for the reply I didn't understand something about the Data folder on the storage card. Suppose I have 3-4 skyscape products installed on the stroage card, can I keep those folders and install only the viewer the next time I make a rom upgrade??
I'm not sure!
I tend to just run My Skyscape after each ROM upgrade- takes a couple of minutes to reinstall but I find its worth it. As the main data remains on the card, it might be worth just trying ActiveSync Add/Remove to reinstall the reader apps, though IIRC this didn't work on WM2003 as the newly installed reader wouldn't find the Data
But, Skyscape do seem to have imprpved their installers recently (despite the awful SmartUpdate app!)
I tried sprite backup and it crashed on faman fr rom... anyone use it ?
I came across several solutions. All of them install on the desktop and on the movile device but is there any single .exe file solution that I can put on the SD card and run from there without any installation needed? Something like the GHOST.EXE DOS utility from Norton Ghost which makes a binary image of the partition that can be restored later...
EDIT...
or another solution that i would think would be perfect is... starting the bootloader, and use a desktop pc tool, to leech an image of the mobile device... or to replace the rom with an earlier made backup image...
Sprite Back up allows you to create a self installing back up - well worth it, the HTC Artemis came with this program as part of the package, it is available for purchase - Mike
Ref: Easy backing up utility.....
I personally use SPB backup - has worked 100% EVERYTIME and it will let me either make a complete backup or just the info ie contacts & emails if I want !!!
Hope that helps ...
peace
tli
thank you for your suggestions, i tested both already. as a third alternative there is the sunnysoft backup manager, it creates selfinstalling exe files as well.but the backups are bigger than e.g. sprite
sprite backup can do selfextracting backups to, look in the options (and switch to the advanced mode before)
Im about to install a "cooked" rom from over on the Herald section. Its not TOTALLY working for my phone, but majority are getting along with it.
What I would like to do is backup my ENTIRE phone to my computer (much like norton Ghost or any other backup software), and save it incase I dont like the new ROM. This way I will have something to revert to if I dont fully like the new one.
Is there a suggestion as to which program you all think I should use? I'd like to have a program where its an easy backup procedure, and also an easy restore procedure if possible. Im running WM6 currently on my Tmobile Wing (HTC Herald)
Thank everyone so much!
Active Sync will back up your contacts, calendar, emails, notes, files and program data.
In addition, you can use PIMBackup for your Call Logs, Messages, Speed Dials, etc. and either Spb Backup or Sprite Backup for a full system backup (i.e. you won't have to reinstall all your apps as long as you restore to the same ROM you backed up from).
spb and sprite sound like what Im looking for. Suggestion to as which one is better?
I think it's more of a personal preference, but for some reason I use Spb Backup. I've been perfectly happy with it.
Make that another vote for SPB, it backs up to MiniSD card, least on my Trinity it does, and following a hard reset, just run the exe on the card to restore exactly as it was when the backup was taken.
whats the best program to use to back up all my text messages and ring tones and contacts ?????
sprite backup or the backup utillity of sktools should work
PIM Backup is a free option available on XDA in the Dev and Hacking forum. Wont do ringtones but you can just copy them to comp via async, other options SKTools or for full backup SPB Backup or Sprite.
does sprite or spb do an image of your phone (i.e. all programs ,etc)? i'd really like to have that so i don't have to keep installing stuff after a rom release update.
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does sprite or spb do an image of your phone (i.e. all programs ,etc)? i'd really like to have that so i don't have to keep installing stuff after a rom release update.
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I use SPB and yes it images the whole phone you can choose the locations etc, i will say you do not want to use a backup after a ROM update as all you are doing is reverting to the previous ROM as core files are replaced, the way backups really help is if you say install something and it screws up your setup or any other error, you can hard-reset and use your backup.
The way i make it eazy for install after a ROM update is have an install directory on your storage card then you can just blat the programs on, generally leave the programs that need to restart the system till last
I've had my Dash for a while now, and I switch between roms not all too often, but every time one annoys me. The first time, I didn't know i could back up my data, but after that I started to make backups with SPB Backup (now trying Sprite as well). In both of these, it says that they back up everything (unless modified, which i do not). So now I want to change my rom again, and I was wondering, if I do a full backup of my phone under Rose Rom 1.7 remade by Ricky & Stylez and I switch to lets say Ricky's v2.4 and the restore, would it mess up my phone? I only think this because everything would include the registry (am i correct?) and to replace the registry of a new rom with that of a different rom would mess up the phone (correct?). I need to have some parts of the registry because of the programs i have installed (some use the registry, if not all [i think]).
Obviously im not extremely knowledgable on the way the Dash/Excalibur works, just want to know what is the best method to do this.
Your correct you do not want to use a backup from one ROM flash a different ROM then use the backup.
New ROM fresh install of programs and tweaks.
i was looking at another thread about backing up data on this forum. In there someone recommended using SKTools to backup specific registry entries. Should i make a back up of MY Files and a backup of the registry entries that relate to the programs i have installed? Would it still work if i restored just my files (no rom files or system files) and the specific registry entries to the new rom?
I am assuming the safest, most crash-preventing way to do this is to do as you said Stylez, just do a fresh install and reinstall everything after that...
The registry entrys where
HKLM\Security\CHome
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HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\CHome
The only prob with that is the the RoseROM is set up slightly different.
But you could just back up the specific parts.
Thnks for ur help Stylez, I guess ill take the safe, but slightly longer way and just reinstall everything from scratch so i dont have to go hunting around the regsitry with SKTools for everything i need to back up.
Those two areas of the registry were my question in the other thread, and it worked out perfectly. I also use Sprite Backup, and it's excellent software.
As for restoring with Sprite, it will not let you run a normal restore when you change roms, because it recognizes when you've changed and will only allow an "upgrade" restore, which allows you to restore personal files, your internet favorites and other things like that. Also, it will allow you to selectively restore these things, as it typically does when you do a normal restore. Make sure you're using the latest Sprite Backup, as it's more reliable with these things.
My own $0.02, after you have any rom set up how you like it, do a full "clean" backup. Then make a folder on your microsd to which you copy your favorites, cpr files, bronzeres.dll if you've modified it, registry portions (like the two I asked about), etc. Then when you switch to a new rom, you can pretty much copy these files back over and take a lot of the headache out of tweaking a new rom... don't worry about backing up reg entries for software you installed outside of the rom, because it's easier to just reinstall those with the new rom.
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Those two areas of the registry were my question in the other thread, and it worked out perfectly. I also use Sprite Backup, and it's excellent software.
As for restoring with Sprite, it will not let you run a normal restore when you change roms, because it recognizes when you've changed and will only allow an "upgrade" restore, which allows you to restore personal files, your internet favorites and other things like that. Also, it will allow you to selectively restore these things, as it typically does when you do a normal restore. Make sure you're using the latest Sprite Backup, as it's more reliable with these things.
My own $0.02, after you have any rom set up how you like it, do a full "clean" backup. Then make a folder on your microsd to which you copy your favorites, cpr files, bronzeres.dll if you've modified it, registry portions (like the two I asked about), etc. Then when you switch to a new rom, you can pretty much copy these files back over and take a lot of the headache out of tweaking a new rom... don't worry about backing up reg entries for software you installed outside of the rom, because it's easier to just reinstall those with the new rom.
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Wow only ever used Sprite once and it cacked out on me didn't realize you could do an upgrade. Will have to try a newer vesion out as with Tilt it's a new ROM to try every week.
Was there not a diference in the reg as i'm sure that the settings panel and since no weather the reg will be different between Kavana & Rose?
So lets say we want to back up PERSONAL DATA. This "Personal Data" excludes programs, system files, ROM files (dont know if you consider system and rom the same, but whatever).
So on Sprite Backup, to do so you would obviously have to do a custom backup. Are these good options to use:::
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(You are presented with a list similar to the one you get when browsing just folders in the windows explorer)
PIM>Select All
Mail>Select All
My Documents>Select All
System Data>Select the following:
>Browser Favorites>Favorites
Storage Card (if you have one)>DONT Select the following(if they exist):
>Application Data
>Program Files
>Windows
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Under System Data>Browser Favorites there is Browser System Data (reg entry it looks like) and Favorites (a folder), so i thought maybe only select the folder since the new rom will have the registry entries for the browser...is the correct?
Would that custom backup work out?
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Wow only ever used Sprite once and it cacked out on me didn't realize you could do an upgrade. Will have to try a newer vesion out as with Tilt it's a new ROM to try every week.
Was there not a diference in the reg as i'm sure that the settings panel and since no weather the reg will be different between Kavana & Rose?
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Yes, there was a difference, and I exported and imported the reg entries with Resco Explorer... but it didn't remove any registry entries, just overwrote the ones that existed in CHome when I exported. So my reg contains the following panels, for example for HKLM>Software>Microsoft>CHome>:
CAppointments, CClock, CHome, CLinks, CLock, CMessage, CMusic, CMyApplication, CMyFaves, CMyPhotos, COffice, CQuicklist, CTestUIPlugin, CWelcomeCenter, CWindowsLive, Fonts, HTCEMAIL, HTCFavorite, HTCMUSIC, HTCSMSMMS, HTCWeather, myfaves, Settings
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So lets say we want to back up PERSONAL DATA. This "Personal Data" excludes programs, system files, ROM files (dont know if you consider system and rom the same, but whatever).
So on Sprite Backup, to do so you would obviously have to do a custom backup. Are these good options to use:::
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(You are presented with a list similar to the one you get when browsing just folders in the windows explorer)
PIM>Select All
Mail>Select All
My Documents>Select All
System Data>Select the following:
>Browser Favorites>Favorites
Storage Card (if you have one)>DONT Select the following(if they exist):
>Application Data
>Program Files
>Windows
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Under System Data>Browser Favorites there is Browser System Data (reg entry it looks like) and Favorites (a folder), so i thought maybe only select the folder since the new rom will have the registry entries for the browser...is the correct?
Would that custom backup work out?
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Just do a FULL backup... you can restore selectively from that too. I always do full backups, that way I can restore selectively when I switch to a new rom...and then if I decide to go back to the ROM I had before, I reflash and do a full restore (just remember to change the Sprite restore settings to "delete all files" and to Replace files, not merge them).