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3G [3G] icon v.s. UMTS [U]

Okay,
This is driving me nuts, i've been a lurker on this forum for months now, and i've searched all over this forum (for the last 3 hours) to find a fix for this but I havent found one.
I'm in Australia, and we've got UMTS here, it's working because it says "UMTS Telstra" in the dialer, but other then that I've still got the 3G icon displaying at the top and it NEVER changes, its so annoying!
I've tried XDA Live 0.10, 0.20 and now i'm using the 15-03-2007 LSVW release and nothing's changed...
I know i'm not the only one experiencing this, but has anybody found a solution for it?
Other than that everything else works great!

3g=umts=wcdma
S.k.

silent_killa said:
3g=umts=wcdma
S.k.
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Yeah but with WM5 it showed U for UMTS, G for GPRS, E for Edge etc...
Infact it was rare that i ever saw the 3G icon at all..

Its installed on certain ROMs and some roms have "U" by default and the ext rom installs the "3G" over it. We refer to it as 3G over here (I think many that use 3G will sit there and scratch their head at the mention of UMTS) so it dont bother me.
If my memory serves me correctly, the HTC 1.35 ROM has the "U" and not "3G"
Also there is a thread on this with some cabs to try if you run a search.
S.K.

silent_killa said:
Its installed on certain ROMs and some roms have "U" by default and the ext rom installs the "3G" over it. We refer to it as 3G over here (I think many that use 3G will sit there and scratch their head at the mention of UMTS) so it dont bother me.
If my memory serves me correctly, the HTC 1.35 ROM has the "U" and not "3G"
Also there is a thread on this with some cabs to try if you run a search.
S.K.
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I've searched all over this forum, and I haven't found it... I think i did come across it once before but when i tried to look for it now I couldn't find it... (very annoying)...
I know the I-Mate roms show it as a "U" because thats what I had on prior to WM6
Any idea what i should search for? I've tried "3G Icon" and "UMTS"

Also the UMTS is just a text string you can change in the registry. For me I've changed the UMTS to HSDPA to correspond with our network offering in Canada.
But when not in a 3G coverage area that text string is no longer there.

sirtrini said:
Also the UMTS is just a text string you can change in the registry. For me I've changed the UMTS to HSDPA to correspond with our network offering in Canada.
But when not in a 3G coverage area that text string is no longer there.
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Yeah i know about that one, I discovered it in XDA-Live 0.10...
If anyone could please post either the cleaner 3G icon or the "U" icon and instructions on how to install them, i'd be very thankful

If you let the ext rom on LVSW install then it will install the cleaner icon
S.K.

Andy4life said:
Yeah but with WM5 it showed U for UMTS, G for GPRS, E for Edge etc...
Infact it was rare that i ever saw the 3G icon at all..
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I was annoyed by this when I moved to WM6 too.
Doesn't this help?
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Hermes/WMXL_Support_Files/WMXL_Patch_Memory_&_HSDPA_Icon.CAB
"Recommended - Sets the memory cache to Auto and adds the HSDPA icon in registry file"

This cab work's good for me with wmxl 0.21

Wow, something this small annoys you? Why does it matter?

As several of us have said elsewhere, we get areas of standard signal, "3G" signal, and HSPDA signal. Without three icons, we can't distinguish between them.
Once again:
G = okay signal and speed.
U = good signal and 3G speed (upto 384 Kbps).
H = very good signal and speed upto (in my case) 1.8 Mbps.
When "U" and "H" signals both display as "3G", you can't tell if you've moved into an HSPDA area. In my case, I move across my office and it goes to "H" and I get better speed - so it's VERY useful when I want to browse or download stuff (or watch SlingPlayer).

Fair enough. I don't use any telco-supplied data so I wasn't sure. I always connect to local wireless.

Izzard-UK said:
I was annoyed by this when I moved to WM6 too.
Doesn't this help?
ftp://xda:[email protected]/Hermes/WMXL_Support_Files/WMXL_Patch_Memory_&_HSDPA_Icon.CAB
"Recommended - Sets the memory cache to Auto and adds the HSDPA icon in registry file"
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Thanks for that, but unfortunately it doesn't work, i'm still stuck looking at the disgusting 3G icon.
I don't know why it annoys me so much lol, I think i'm just so used to looking at the "U".

Andy4life said:
Thanks for that, but unfortunately it doesn't work, i'm still stuck looking at the disgusting 3G icon.
I don't know why it annoys me so much lol, I think i'm just so used to looking at the "U".
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I don't see what's wrong with the 3G icon...I think it looks more beautiful than the just the U icon. After all.....it's called 3G technology...which is a simpler name instead of the technical name.

My experiences:
LVSW first version gives a nice looking 3G icon when I've got UMTS coverage. When HSDPA is used, it show the 'H' icon (only when connected!).
However, the second LVSW version shows a 'stretched' 3G icon.
Is this also fixed by the cab file mentioned earlier?

Andy4life said:
Thanks for that, but unfortunately it doesn't work, i'm still stuck looking at the disgusting 3G icon.
I don't know why it annoys me so much lol, I think i'm just so used to looking at the "U".
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I looked for a solution to the ugly 3g icon too, but i think i gave up pretty fast. so iv'e learned to live with it, somehow. but i still want the "U"

hi,
do a search for shogun_Uicon.cab,that should take care of U probem...
after that do a registry hack for H icon and u r set to go....
hope it works

Hey all,
I installed the LVSW ROM onto my iMate. I've had the same problem mentioned here before (not displaying as UMTS)...
I think the reason for it is quite simple, at least for the Telstra users.
NextG nextwork is counted as a normal 3G network.. not as a UMTS network. The original WM5 rom that was supplied might have had some sort of hack in place for us JasJam users...
Anyways, now I actually get a HSDPA logo on my phone, letting me know about speeds...
*shrugs*

The TEST WWE AKU 3.3 Full ROM that I was given to test displayed the connection as follows:
G GPRS
U 3G
H HSDPA
I never saw an E as we don't have Edge in our area.
I changed the U display to read 3G with a posted registry hack.
The G correctly displays GPRS network
The 3G correctly displays 3G or UMTS
The H correctly displays when a data package is sent or received.
Maybe this information can lead you in the right direction with the WM6 os.
Cheers

T-Mobile HSDPA

I just purchased T-Mobile's version of the Touch Pro 2 about a week ago. I moved from AT&T and the TyTN II.
On the TyTN II, whenever I was on HSDPA, the connection icon would display an H. On my Touch Pro 2, I only ever see a "3G" icon. However, my connection settings are set to use HSDPA/HSUPA. I have unlimited web service, for what's it's worth.
Is this normal? Am I in fact getting HSDPA service? If not, is it a registry fix? Is there anyway to check for sure what protocol I'm connected with?

I would like to know that as well, Its normal same thing on my tmo tp2

I see the "H" symbol, but only when actively downloading data. It switches back and forth which I think is a good thing. No problems on this end running the stock T-Mo ROM

yeah I kept getting the 3G icon too, but after i put on tsowen's taskbar, now I get the H & i don't think i've seen the 3G at all.

xnifex said:
yeah I kept getting the 3G icon too, but after i put on tsowen's taskbar, now I get the H & i don't think i've seen the 3G at all.
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I have only seen the H icon after installing a custom taskbar as well. I'm not sure if it just replaced the 3G icon right out or if it is correctly displaying it.

My g1 displayed 3g when i had the t-mobile firmware on it. When i put a different one, H or something was displayed. The tp2 i have is the same way. I put a different firmware on it and it went from 3g to H now. I am not using the t-mobile firmware but one of the 6.5 roms. I would bet t-mobile put the 3g icon on purpose.

H and 3G are the same thing on the phone. It just depends on what your ROM is setup to show it as.

kable said:
H and 3G are the same thing on the phone. It just depends on what your ROM is setup to show it as.
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they are not the same:
3G = 364 Kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) = 1.5-3 Mbps

i get at least 650kbps with 3G only icon. So i think im on the H

xnifex said:
they are not the same:
3G = 364 Kbps
HSDPA (3.5G) = 1.5-3 Mbps
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I was referring to the phone just showing 3G or H not the actual speeds.

I'm in the same boat as you guys. When I was on the stock ROM I only saw 3G with 2 bars and this was at my house. Now that I'm on a cooked ROM, I see H all the time with my 2 bars at my house. I only get the H when I'm at home, but when I'm at work I get 3G with full bars. I don't even have the option to use HSDPA checked, I have it unchecked in the options.
I'm sure the H has to do with the cooked ROMs or custom taskbars. Idk!

my wifi, have an E icon, is that correct?

so i enabled wifi, but how do i know i'm really using wifi and not 3g if i see a small E on top of the bars? it seems as if I can not turn off my data connection if i have wifi on..is that correct?

judicious said:
so i enabled wifi, but how do i know i'm really using wifi and not 3g if i see a small E on top of the bars? it seems as if I can not turn off my data connection if i have wifi on..is that correct?
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as you may know the "E" is 2g not 3g. When it is 3g it will say "3g" or "H", "H" being faster than "3g".
your wifi goes into "sleep" mode when not being used, helps on battery life, when your phone demands a connection it will take the wifi out of sleep if try to connect and if it does you will see the wifi icon, and if you are not an area that has wifi it will revert back to your data connection.

alwayslearning said:
as you may know the "E" is 2g not 3g. When it is 3g it will say "3g" or "H", "H" being faster than "3g".
your wifi goes into "sleep" mode when not being used, helps on battery life, when your phone demands a connection it will take the wifi out of sleep if try to connect and if it does you will see the wifi icon, and if you are not an area that has wifi it will revert back to your data connection.
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that's very odd because i have never seen the H ever since i flashed the rom, but the 3g setting is set to be 'on', but that setting disappeared and i dont knkow how to get back to it. is there a way to turn on 3g?

alwayslearning said:
... "H" being faster than "3g".
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Not always.
AT&T purposely does not show the H and always shows 3G even if it is a HSDPA connection.

since i flashed w/ a new rom, there's no more 3g icon, but i did figure out how to bring the H back, but for some reason i have no idea why my wifi isn't working. someone told me to disable proxy, but i did that

golfer_boy said:
Not always.
AT&T purposely does not show the H and always shows 3G even if it is a HSDPA connection.
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that is true on a stock ATT ROM, but if you flashed a custom ROM it will display correctly

judicious said:
since i flashed w/ a new rom, there's no more 3g icon, but i did figure out how to bring the H back, but for some reason i have no idea why my wifi isn't working. someone told me to disable proxy, but i did that
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have you tried going to settings>wifi> click "turn on Wi-FI" select wireless networks and see if you phone detects any networks? If there is a network available then select it and set it up.
did you hard reset after you flashed?

Is there any way to disable automatic switching between UMTS and HSDPA?

In my apartment my G2 constantly switches back and forth between UMTS (3G) and HSDPA (H). Is there any way to stop this? Both look like they have the same number of bars, but it seems like UMTS is way slower. I also should be in a 4G market, so is there a way to tell if I'm on HSPA+ or not?

I've honestly never even seen the 3g icon on my g2. whenever im in kent, when it drops it drops from h, to E

jenlow said:
I've honestly never even seen the 3g icon on my g2. whenever im in kent, when it drops it drops from h, to E
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I don't think the stock G2 ROM has a specific icon for 3G, if that's what your'e on. It shows H for 3G/HSPA/HSPA+.
I think the original poster is on Cyanogen, where it does show the type of connection a bit more accurately.

I'd also be interested in trying to force an HSPA connection. I don't think Bell has UMTS data so if I'm labeled as on 3G I can make calls and texts but have to wait for it to switch to H when I start using data.

It's a feature of cyanogenmod that it switches to 3G when heavy data is not required and switches to H+ when you need a faster data connection
That is of course if your running CM on your phone...

omarsalmin said:
It's a feature of cyanogenmod that it switches to 3G when heavy data is not required and switches to H+ when you need a faster data connection
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It's not a "feature" of CyanogenMod. This also happens on the stock ROM but we do not see the H icon, only the 3G one. Cyanogen himself explained this a while back.

Vandam500 said:
It's not a "feature" of CyanogenMod. This also happens on the stock ROM but we do not see the H icon, only the 3G one. Cyanogen himself explained this a while back.
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You mean stock sees only the H icon, not the 3G one XD

Also note that if you're not actively using data, it'll show the 3G symbol (on Cyanogen or Sense ROMs) - as soon as you start a connection, it'll switch to an H. This isn't necessarily because the phone is switching between a 3G and HSPA signal, but rather because 3G is also used to carry voice - so if the phone isn't using HSPA for data, it obviously doesn't need to show it.

Thanks for all of the information, guys!

[Q] Can someone explain data roaming to me (specifically CM's roaming options)?

I am a bit confused as to what constitutes roaming with Sprint. As far as I can tell, the only way to tell what network I am on is the little network indicator on the notification bar. I have a few questions, and I apologize if they are stupid ones. I tried searching for the answers, but have come up short.
Is there ever any time where my network indicator will read 3G and I will be roaming?
Am I always roaming whenever it says 1X?
I hear people mention EVDO, is that the same thing as 1X? If not, is EVDO considered roaming or not?
Also, I have a couple of questions about the roaming options on CyanogenMod. If I change my network to "Affiliated Networks," I am unable to get data transfers to work unless I turn on both Data Roaming and International Data Roaming, despite the fact that I am well inside the borders of my country. Is this a well known issue, or am I experiencing something out of the ordinary?
Thanks in advance.

Saturn2K said:
I am a bit confused as to what constitutes roaming with Sprint. As far as I can tell, the only way to tell what network I am on is the little network indicator on the notification bar. I have a few questions, and I apologize if they are stupid ones. I tried searching for the answers, but have come up short.
Is there ever any time where my network indicator will read 3G and I will be roaming?
Am I always roaming whenever it says 1X?
I hear people mention EVDO, is that the same thing as 1X? If not, is EVDO considered roaming or not?
Also, I have a couple of questions about the roaming options on CyanogenMod. If I change my network to "Affiliated Networks," I am unable to get data transfers to work unless I turn on both Data Roaming and International Data Roaming, despite the fact that I am well inside the borders of my country. Is this a well known issue, or am I experiencing something out of the ordinary?
Thanks in advance.
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1. it wont show 3g if you are roaming, normally.
2.not always roaming when it says 1x but if you are roaming it will always show 1x
3. evdo is 3g so see above.
cant help you with the last one thought.

aimbdd said:
1. it wont show 3g if you are roaming, normally.
2.not always roaming when it says 1x but if you are roaming it will always show 1x
3. evdo is 3g so see above.
cant help you with the last one thought.
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#2 isn't exact, I used to get 3g (EVDO) on my HTC touch diamond when roaming at work.

robbyhousley said:
#2 isn't exact, I used to get 3g (EVDO) on my HTC touch diamond when roaming at work.
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its not supposed to connect to 3g when roaming.

Don't you get a triangle next to your signal bar if you're roaming? I do. That would also indicate data roaming as well....

is there an advantage to roaming? I get free 3g data but I usually keep in on the sprint mode and turn off roaming.
Whats the benefit of keeping it on?

kinextions said:
is there an advantage to roaming? I get free 3g data but I usually keep in on the sprint mode and turn off roaming.
Whats the benefit of keeping it on?
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If you leave roaming turned off, you can hit areas where you either need to roam or you will get 1x data. Turning on roaming gives you the best chance to maintain a fast connection.